Turkey: Coup d'état

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bekayne

Webgear wrote:

There are some sources stating that this coup was a false flag operation, a fake coup conducted by Erdogan to purge his enemies in the country.

 

He seemed to be very prepared for it

iyraste1313

The explosion from the link you provided appears to be from a standard military ordnance device, I am going to disagree with your link and say that wasn’t a nuclear explosion.....

........okay but if it was, it must have been a very powerful agency behind the coup....hmm, now why has the Erdogan Government just closed their airforce base and accusing the US of being behind or supporting the coup.....

Webgear

iyraste1313 wrote:

The explosion from the link you provided appears to be from a standard military ordnance device, I am going to disagree with your link and say that wasn’t a nuclear explosion.....

........okay but if it was, it must have been a very powerful agency behind the coup....hmm, now why has the Erdogan Government just closed their airforce base and accusing the US of being behind or supporting the coup.....

 

Why would you say that?

JohnInAlberta JohnInAlberta's picture

I must be thick ... But exactly why would Obama and Kerry come out with official statements supporting Erdogan? Someone who built himself a billion-dollar presidential palace, has refused to speak with the Kurds and instead prefers to simply kill them and who has now removed over 2700 judges from their positions? These are the acts of a despot, a dictator, yet he has Obama's support? What exactly am I missing here? I understand the importance of the US military base in Turkey (not to mention access to the Bosphorus Strait) but still ...

iyraste1313

yet he has Obama's support? ...

The assumption here is that the USA administration is united in policy? YThe State dept. The War dept, the CIA?

Who is Fetullah Gulen and his movement, who is backing him?

josh

JohnInAlberta wrote:
I must be thick ... But exactly why would Obama and Kerry come out with official statements supporting Erdogan? Someone who built himself a billion-dollar presidential palace, has refused to speak with the Kurds and instead prefers to simply kill them and who has now removed over 2700 judges from their positions? These are the acts of a despot, a dictator, yet he has Obama's support? What exactly am I missing here? I understand the importance of the US military base in Turkey (not to mention access to the Bosphorus Strait) but still ...

They saw which way the coup was going.

iyraste1313

21st Century Wire says…

Erdogan’s followers have designated an Alevi commander, Colonel Muharrem Kose as head of the uprising.  Fears mount that this may lead to the ethnic cleansing of yet another minority in Turkey.  The Alevis are a minority Islamic sect whose adherents are followers of Ali and the twelve imams in Islam which brings them into proximity to the Shia Muslim beliefs who of course are feared and loathed by the Saudi wahhabi sects funding terrorism in Syria and Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood who are the majority Sunni Islam faction in Turkey.

 

SeekingAPolitic...

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

This is a rumour but a juicy rumour.  This is being repeated on #turkey

 

#Turkey's #Incirlik base used to organise & support coup.Tanker planes from Incirlik refueled the jets used in the coup attempt

 

I could not find any confrimination in any press.

 

Kerry was on CNN this morning.  He spoke to the above issue and acknowleged that this the reason that the airbase was cutoff. The moderator provided new information.  All bases in turkey(or 5 bases I can not remebmer but airport situation is not a one off) that have an american presence have been cutoff, if the cnn moderator is telling the truth. 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Erdogan taunts US President Obama over coup attempt in Turkey

former Ambassador MK Bhadrakumar wrote:
The Turkish President Recep Erdogan’s sensational demand on Saturday to US President Barack Obama to extradite the Islamist preacher Fetullah Gulen living in exile in Pennsylvania does not come as surprise. It had to happen sooner or later.

But then, Erdogan has chosen to speak publicly on such a highly sensitive issue instead of using the confidential channels of communication.

Any long-time observer of Erdogan and his political personality can make out that he is taunting Obama within the week of the NATO summit in Warsaw. These are excerpts from Erdogan’s public remarks in Istanbul on Saturday:

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Please meet our request (on Gulen’s extradition) if we (Turkey and US) are strategic partners. I asked you (Obama) previously either to deport him or surrender him to Turkey. I told you that he is considering the coup d’etat, but you didn’t listen.

The crowd listening to Erdogan began chanting, “Death to Fetullah.”

To be sure, Erdogan knows how to work up the crowd. And he knows that if the mood turns ugly in Turkish-American relations, his strength lies in his massive support base.

This is becoming very personal, too. Erdogan mentioned Obama by name. It is an open secret that the chemistry between the two statesmen has been poor.

A fascinating read.

Ambassador MK Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for Asia Times since 2001.

bekayne

The pilot who shot down the Russian plane last year was part of the coup and has been killed. What are the chances!

SeekingAPolitic...

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160717/1043165908/turkey-coup-serbia.h...

 

The coup attempt in Turkey was masterminded by forces that were seeking to halt the restoration of good relations between Turkey and Russia, the acting Serbian foreign minister said Sunday.

 

Interesting I have thinking about this idea for a while.

In the last 2 weeks Erdogan made serious diplomtic moves.

-mended fences with egypt, isreal

-apoloigzed to russia for shot down of russian jet

-said he would offer citizenship a syria refugees mentioned 2 million people

-1 day before the coup he talking about keeping assad in power.  Reversial of 4 years of policy that was based on deposing assad in syria

 

I think those policy changes played role in the coup attempt.

 

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Yeah, you really have to look deeper, and not just make snap conclusions, to figure out the meaning of events like this.

One thing was a suprise: that the Western MSM didn't immediately "blame Putin" for everything. Russia has always had a strong intelligence presence in Turkey, despite recent setbacks in relations under Erdogan, and it would actually be looked at as a very interested party.

Gollum in Ankara gets to keep his precious neo-Ottoman dreams alive. If one of the results of the attempted coup is that Turkey becomes less of a sieve through which the bulk of the jihadists, Salafists, armed Sunni fundamentalists, etc. get to attack Syria, then there could be less regional violence. And that would be a good thing.

What a paradox. An authoritarian, "Islamist" regime fails to get overthrown by a mostly secular military, and the result may be more regional stability. Very complex.

 

SeekingAPolitic...

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043173747/turkey-washington-...

 

Turkish officials threaten to go to war with “any country” supporting exiled cleric Fethullah Gulen, the alleged mastermind of the coup plot, which would put the US right in Ankara’s crosshairs.

 

On the verbal front things are heating up.

SeekingAPolitic...

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043180237/emergency-measures-ista...

 

Emergency measures have been taken in Turkey's Istanbul, as 1,800 additional police troops were deployed in the city and ordered to shoot down helicopters without prior warning, local media reported on Monday, citing a police source.

 

Things are not yet over.

Twitter nothing official yet. but Pro #Erdogan supporters terrorizing #Turkey by many massacre and lynch attempts towards leftists & minorities

I don't know if this true, with the police busy supporting anti coup security work .  No one is on duty to keep order on the streets so its plausible.

 

I found an article is turkish and did google translate

Some people in Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon and Malatya Protestant church group was attacked with stones and hammers from the street to protest the coup. The church had tried to enter the building. SAT-7 from the Turkish Seyfi According to Young; After the coup attempt of July 15th, the night of July 16 Takbir bringing a small group of those in the streets threw stones at the Protestant church in Malatya. church windows were broken in the attack. material damage to the church building is not one because of the night occurred. TRABZON  A small group of about 10 people in the same order the protesters out of the Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon takbir bringing attacked. Church paving stones with hammers they bring their group broke the windows by throwing tried to break the door of the church.  Muslim neighboring church warning and response as a result of the attacker were removed from the church. Neighbors told the priest at the church.  Santa Maria Catholic Church in Trabzon priest Father Andrea Santoro on 5 February 2006, was killed

http://www.demokrathaber.org/yasam/malatya-ve-trabzon-da-kiliselere-sald...

 

 

iyraste1313

my suspicions could only grow, hearing of the stand down order not to shoot Erdogan's plane leaving the Airport.....

 

Erdogan Purges 8,000 Cops As Europe Voices Concern Coup Was Staged With "Prepared Arrest Lists"....from zerohedge

SeekingAPolitic...

Twitter is saying that the civil servants can no longer leave the country.  I assume that a purge is coming in a big way. 

josh

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threate...

 

Turkey could lose its membership of the Nato military alliance if it fails to uphold the principles of democracy in the wake of an attempted coup, the US has warned.

 

I am really surprised that Kerry is making this statement.  To me, it shows how little influence the US has over turkey at this point to be forced to threaten turkey Nato membership.  Making this statement publicly introduces the value of nato membership to general public.  The US maybe overplaying there hand here, could this encourage a backlash agaisnt the US and Nato with the turkisk public.

 

Kerry did not make that statement.  His warning was more subtile.

SeekingAPolitic...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threate...

 

Turkey could lose its membership of the Nato military alliance if it fails to uphold the principles of democracy in the wake of an attempted coup, the US has warned.

 

I am really surprised that Kerry is making this statement.  To me, it shows how little influence the US has over turkey at this point to be forced to threaten turkey Nato membership.  Making this statement publicly introduces the value of nato membership to general public.  The US maybe overplaying there hand here, could this encourage a backlash agaisnt the US and Nato with the turkisk public.

 

They should post Putin doing his happy dance on the front of the Kermlin lawn.  Overnight Putin ordered the planning to resume full trade links with Turkey.  Who really benefits from Turkey leaving NATO, this gift is potential just dropping in Putins lap.  The US is pushing the Turks into the hands of the Russia.

SeekingAPolitic...

josh wrote:

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threate...

 

Turkey could lose its membership of the Nato military alliance if it fails to uphold the principles of democracy in the wake of an attempted coup, the US has warned.

 

I am really surprised that Kerry is making this statement.  To me, it shows how little influence the US has over turkey at this point to be forced to threaten turkey Nato membership.  Making this statement publicly introduces the value of nato membership to general public.  The US maybe overplaying there hand here, could this encourage a backlash agaisnt the US and Nato with the turkisk public.

 

Kerry did not make that statement.  His warning was more subtile.

 

I am looking for a direct quote.  Could not find one.  Media outlets are reporting similiar to what independent printed.  I take your word for it but I am curious what Kerry actually said.

 

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2016/07/18/us-embassy-denies-washingt...

 

There is some question as what was said at the conference, pity i only read english.  I wonder what foreign reporters were reporting from the press conference.  

 

SeekingAPolitic...

 

https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/755048995228123137

 

Kerry in his own words.  Have to agree with josh subtile.

iyraste1313

Let’s start with the observation that Israel’s top man in Turkey, Gen. Ozturk, tried to overthrow Turkish (Islamic) democracy, in exactly the way that Israel’s top man in Egypt, Gen. al-Sisi, overthrew Egyptian (Islamic) democracy.

Why?

*First, as mentioned, even the corrupt, watered-down, compromising and compromised Islamic democracy of people like Erdogan and Morsi represents a long-term strategic threat to Israel. The top long-term strategic priority of the Zionists and their NATO lackeys is to prevent Sunni-majority countries from ever freeing themselves from imperial-Zionist control and becoming Iran-style Islamic democratic republics. People like Erdogan and Morsi threaten to nudge their countries, baby step by baby step, in that direction. The end game of all such activism is a neo-caliphate uniting many contiguous Muslim-majority countries—presumably a “caliphate” that mixes theocracy with democracy, as in Iran’s Islamic Republic. Such empowerment of Middle Eastern Muslims would quickly put Israel out of business.

*Second, just as Zionist Empire overthrew Saddam and Qaddafi not for their very real crimes against humanity but for their good actions (their empowerment of their own people), the Zionists also want to overthrow Erdogan not because he foolishly let himself be led by the nose into the Syrian quagmire, but because he is threatening to extract himself from that quagmire and repair ties with Iran and Russia. For details, see the Crescent-Online article “Desperate Turkey turns toward Iran” and note Erdogan’s recent move toward rapprochement with Russia. Israel wants to keep the Syria conflict going. Erdogan may be about to help end it.

So that is the short version of the “who-what-why.”

SeekingAPolitic...

iyraste1313 wrote:

Let’s start with the observation that Israel’s top man in Turkey, Gen. Ozturk, tried to overthrow Turkish (Islamic) democracy, in exactly the way that Israel’s top man in Egypt, Gen. al-Sisi, overthrew Egyptian (Islamic) democracy.

Why?

*First, as mentioned, even the corrupt, watered-down, compromising and compromised Islamic democracy of people like Erdogan and Morsi represents a long-term strategic threat to Israel. The top long-term strategic priority of the Zionists and their NATO lackeys is to prevent Sunni-majority countries from ever freeing themselves from imperial-Zionist control and becoming Iran-style Islamic democratic republics. People like Erdogan and Morsi threaten to nudge their countries, baby step by baby step, in that direction. The end game of all such activism is a neo-caliphate uniting many contiguous Muslim-majority countries—presumably a “caliphate” that mixes theocracy with democracy, as in Iran’s Islamic Republic. Such empowerment of Middle Eastern Muslims would quickly put Israel out of business.

*Second, just as Zionist Empire overthrew Saddam and Qaddafi not for their very real crimes against humanity but for their good actions (their empowerment of their own people), the Zionists also want to overthrow Erdogan not because he foolishly let himself be led by the nose into the Syrian quagmire, but because he is threatening to extract himself from that quagmire and repair ties with Iran and Russia. For details, see the Crescent-Online article “Desperate Turkey turns toward Iran” and note Erdogan’s recent move toward rapprochement with Russia. Israel wants to keep the Syria conflict going. Erdogan may be about to help end it.

So that is the short version of the “who-what-why.”

I have question your narrative in regards that isreal played a role coup.  In the last 2 weeks Edrogan broke bread with isreal and made big more to improve relations with isreal.  I would also point out that isreal was thanked by trukey for suppourting the democratic government during the coup. 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-thanks-israel-for-rejecting-coup-att...

And after the coup the government of turkey blamed that muslum cleric in US dierctly and then actually talked about the US being responsible for the coup.  I am still waiting for Edrogan to thank US for suppourting the democractic government of turkey, it may be long time in coming if the leadership of turkey believe the was approved by the us.

 

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Erdogan's remarks, even though public, may have been meant for domestic consumption more than seriously claiming a US role in the coup. He has been clever in carrying out a complex political balancing act, while repressing his political rivals all along.

5 years ago - earlier in his administration - Erdogan got along with the Syrian government. His relations with Russia and how he approaches the Syrian conflict will reveal where he's headed. He's also going to be busy with a purge of the military for some time.

kropotkin1951

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Turkey's top judicial body, the HSYK, dismissed 2,745 judges on Saturday, according to Turkey's Anadolu news agency.

Additionally, a senior Turkish official told Al Jazeera that at least two judges from Turkey's constitutional court and 10 judges from the HSYK had been detained.

I find this piece of information quite interesting and I think it tends to lend credence to this being a false flag incident designed to remove irritants to Erdogan's growing personal power. Either that or he already had a list of Judges he wanted dealt with and ceased on the coup as a cover story.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/turkey-government-launches-purge-a...

Mr. Magoo

A nation's President can't just allege some spurious "coup" as a pretense to shoring up personal power.

SeekingAPolitic...

I would agree that the talk of american coup is most likely internal politics. Keeping the americans of balance and creating US bogeyman certainly helpful to raise nationalist ferver and wrapping himself in the flag certainly helps to purge coup plotters and anyone else who is inconvient.

 

He also said that power was shut off at all military bases, including the Incirlik air base in southern Turkey used by the U.S.-led coalition jets fighting the Islamic State group, because the military didn't want to risk having the conspirators use them.

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/turkish-f-16s-patrol-skies-days-after-...

Thats explains that 5 us militarty installions are on internal power. 

http://www.stripes.com/news/power-at-incirlik-air-base-off-for-third-day...

Specificaly incirlik air base

It was not immediately clear why Turkey had not yet restarted commercial power at Incirlik, a strategic hub for U.S. operations against the Islamic State group. It also wasn’t clear how long the U.S. military can continue running generators to keep the base operational.

I can not find the article but incirlik is blocked by local authories or local authories are protecting the base.  And of course the base is on full alert to reply to any attack. 

Form my research I have come the following results Incirlik has been on internal power for 4 days, the local garrison on full alert, and depending on what article you read the base is surronded by turkisk military which either protecting base or they are impeding movement off the base.  Jake tapper on cnn on sunday asked kerry about 5 american base being without power.  Kerry dodged the question.  In the news article edorgan is stating a military bases have been cut are throught out the country.  Its like trying to put together puzzle with knowning picture you are putting together.

The first question why is incirlik without power now for 4 days?

2.Are the other americans bases without power and they surronded as well?

If I could get the answers to these questions I could formulate an idea of what is happening.  If could have those answers I could probably figure out if the turkish government is convinced that the americans are involved or just using the americans of tool for internal politics.

 

 

 

 

 

SeekingAPolitic...

TURKEY: List of the massive numbers involved in the #TurkeyPurge following failed coup. - @ashishjena94pic.twitter.com/elnmyynoaa

    This is from conflict news.

 

This no longer a few bad apples.

 

 

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Yeah, if you're not a Koran-toting Muslim Brotherhood member/supporter in Turkey, your public service employment may be in doubt.

A few reports over the last day or so are suggesting that the Erdogan regime, through the military, knew about the coup preparations and let it go ahead anyway. A very dangerous strategy if true, but explains, e.g., the enormous lists of "coup plotters" apprehended that seem to have been prepared in advance.

Nothing is what it seems.

jerrym

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

TURKEY: List of the massive numbers involved in the #TurkeyPurge following failed coup. - @ashishjena94pic.twitter.com/elnmyynoaa

    This is from conflict news.

 

This no longer a few bad apples.

 

Both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are ringing the alarm bell over these mass arrests.

The arrest of so many judges is a warning to any remaining or replacement court officials to follow the Erdogan line or they could find themselves in the same position with the goal of absolute control of the judicial system, in addition to the military

To me the fact that the number of educators sacked, including every university dean in the country, is almost twice that of any other group, suggests that Erdogan is looking at the long-term mass indoctrination of the young by his party-picked henchmen in order to build a multi-generational population that is extremely restricted in its knowledge of what is happening in Turkry, as well as the rest of the world. In other words, the goal is to create a state that spouts only government doublethink. 

 

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But the scale of the arrests and firings led to fears that Erdoğan is using the situation to settle scores with anyone perceived to pose any kind of threat to the government, whether or not they were involved in the coup.

okTwitterPinterest Supporters of Erdoğan hold up a banner during a rally in Istanbul on Tuesday. Photograph: Kursat Bayhan/Getty Images

Two of the world’s leading human rights organisations joined a chorus of international leaders in calling on Turkey to abide by the rule of law as it dealt with the coup’s perpetrators.

“The sheer number of arrests and suspensions since Friday is alarming and we are monitoring the situation very closely,” Amnesty International said in a statement. “The coup attempt unleashed appalling violence and those responsible for unlawful killings and other human rights abuses must be brought to justice, but cracking down on dissent and threatening to bring back the death penalty are not justice.”

Human Rights Watch said: “While the government has the complete right to hold to account those involved in the coup, the speed and scale of the arrests, including of top judges, suggests a purge rather than a process based on any evidence. Turkey’s citizens who took to the streets to defend democracy deserve a response that upholds the rule of law and protects media freedom.”

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/19/turkey-sacks-15000-educati...

josh

All this lends credence to the suspicion that the coup was not all that it seemed.

SeekingAPolitic...

BREAKING State-run AA says Turkish Edu Min starts process to close down 626 schools and institutions after #TurkeyCoupAttempt.

WOW That is lot of schools.

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ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The Gülen movement, blamed for everything in Turkey ATM, is well represented in those branches of social life involving higher education: law, the judiciary, education, medicine, etc.. The CBC had a piece on them recently in which they were represented as promoting an ideology of self-improvement through education, etc. It is noteworthy that in the US, where privatized schooling is ruthlessly promoted, there are plenty of Gülen Charter Schools. This may be one of the main reasons why Gülen was in the US at all.

The Turkish government has designated them a terrorist organization. If the Girl Guides were in Turkey, they would probably be designated terrorist as well.

All Turkish academics have been banned from travelling abroad. The net is widening ... although it has not yet reached the estimated 500,000 arrested in the 1980 [CIA-sponsored] coup in Turkey. It should also be said that that coup was very different from this recent attempt, and I am still not convinced that the US played the leading role. ETA: rather, the US would have been happy with a successful result, which Erdogan probably knows, and they are biding their time for the nonce. 

JohnInAlberta JohnInAlberta's picture

I am still baffled at the lack of international outrage against Erdogan; it seems that 1933 was far too long ago for most to remember.  A couple of decades from now we'll be referring to this whole event as the "Night of the Long Kilij".

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Ok, well, the lack of outrage in Western MSM reflects - at least in part - the critical importance of Turkey for US plans in SouthWestern Asia (aka the Middle East). No matter what happens in Turkey, it's a critically important country for American plans. It can't be ignored. So the MSmedia reflects that cool, watching response.

Secondly, Turkey has a rather long history of such coups ... in which a secularized military contrasts with a variety of Islamic fundamentalism in the civilian authorities (as now). The wheel is still in spin, after all - to borrow a phrase from Bob Dylan.

If you look you will find some coverage ... for the critical stuff, you have to look at opposition sources, many of which are criminalized as terrorists or illegal or maybe in the process of being arrested and, therefore, understandably reticent to stick their necks out so as have something chopped off by the arrest-happy regime ...

 

SeekingAPolitic...

CNN Türk ENG ‏@CNNTURK_ENG 2h2 hours ago

Erdoğan on Russian jet incident: There could be a link between pilots who shot down Russian jet and Gulen movement

 

Totally this guy Erdogan is master I bow before him truly this is inspired.  Let me suggest that Turkey will be improving relations with Russia in a hurry.  We all know Erdogan was doing the nationalist dance after the russian plane was shot saying russia deserved the outcome.  This caused lot of demonization of turkey in russia.  This how its going to play.  Erdogan will throw the pilots under the bus as Gulen terrorists, Putin will respond by telling the russian people that Erdogan was never the enemy it was to bad apples from the Gulen movement.  I see a lot hugs and kisses next time they meet in August.  Russia try to funnel the anger against turkey to the Gulen movement(a win for Erdogan) and past will be the past.  I do have wonder if Putin and Erdogan are long last twins which seprated at birth. 

 

SeekingAPolitic...

BREAKING Turkish President Erdoğan says the state of emergency will last for 3 months. #TurkeyCoupAttemt

 

I do wonder how this is different from martial law? 

If you look you will find some coverage ... for the critical stuff, you have to look at opposition sources, many of which are criminalized as terrorists or illegal or maybe in the process of being arrested and, therefore, understandably reticent to stick their necks out so as have something chopped off by the arrest-happy regime ...

I believe that this will not encourage anyone to stick their necks out so as have something chopped off by the arrest-happy regime.  I would suggest the neck sticking out business has been concluded. The only upside this has end date at this point rather than we have enternal war of terror in the west will most likely last longer than my natural life span. I mean of course the war on terror.

JohnInAlberta JohnInAlberta's picture

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:
Erdogan will throw the pilots under the bus as Gulen terrorists, Putin will respond by telling the russian people that Erdogan was never the enemy it was to bad apples from the Gulen movement.  I see a lot hugs and kisses next time they meet in August.  Russia try to funnel the anger against turkey to the Gulen movement(a win for Erdogan) and past will be the past.

All while fanning the flames of mistrust and anger between the USA and Russia.  We'd all best hope that Ms. Clinton can win in November; Trump in a contentious world-power-situation would be a fatal disaster.

SeekingAPolitic...

The state of emergency, which comes into force after it is published in Turkey's official gazette, will allow the president and cabinet to bypass parliament in passing new laws and to limit or suspend rights and freedoms as they deem necessary. The decision has immediately raised fears of more arbitrary arrests

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-20/lira-plunges-record-low-erdogan...

I would be on plane post haste.  I just suspect that the state of emergency maybe could used for more just to guarantee democrartic order. 

And france declared of state of emergency as well 6 months.  I will be looking into the implacations of this move by the parliment.

 

Mr. Magoo

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I would be on plane post haste.  I just suspect that the state of emergency maybe could used for more just to guarantee democrartic order.

Any time the head of state claims a special "state of emergency" or "powers of decree", we should be very skeptical unless it's in Venezuela.

Sometimes a President DOES need absolute power to be able to combat shadowy, unnameable threats to "liberty" or "the state" or "the people".  But how can we ensure that it's only the good and honest ones, like Maduro, who are given it?

iyraste1313

Sometimes a President DOES need absolute power to be able to combat shadowy, unnameable threats to "liberty" or "the state" or "the people".

...well great, let's go after the banksters, the oil companies, the mining companies, the fascist bureaucrats, the loggers strip mining the indigenous territories without the right, legal or moral, but above all the political leadership condoning and encouraging all this...

of course with a slight change of strategy, the absolute power of the people organized!

SeekingAPolitic...

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
I would be on plane post haste.  I just suspect that the state of emergency maybe could used for more just to guarantee democrartic order.

Any time the head of state claims a special "state of emergency" or "powers of decree", we should be very skeptical unless it's in Venezuela.

Sometimes a President DOES need absolute power to be able to combat shadowy, unnameable threats to "liberty" or "the state" or "the people".  But how can we ensure that it's only the good and honest ones, like Maduro, who are given it?

http://tass.ru/en/world/889162

 

Erdogan: Turkey ready to restore regional peace together with Iran and Russia

TEHRAN, July 19 /TASS/. Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.

"Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them," the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. "At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over," Erdogan said.

 

  If I was in turkey in his shoes the only realistic threat is from the US.  If just coup plotters that has been resolved for now but the shadowly force could be the us.  In the above article he is talking about settleing the syria issue without NATO.  Just turkey Iran Russia, if followed to the conclusion turkey is going to make huge policy change exclude NATO and US for the settlement.  I day before I ran into article to one his cabinet members saying that Assad was good with turkey.  NATO, EU, Turkey, Gulf States wanted Assad gone, if turkey leaves that anti assad coalition Assad stays because without the turkish border laucnh a war against assad becames much harder to do.  It means 4 years of policy to drive out assad from the West and Gulf States has fallen apart.

If I know that all NATO americn bases were surronded and without power then I suggest the the turkeys believe  that played US a role in the coup.

The media has mentioned that Incirlik that is only base without power and suuronded by turkey.  But if all the other NATO and US bases are surrounded then we have big program.

 

 

 

SeekingAPolitic...

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160721/1043373832/russia-warned-turkey-c...

 

According to Iranian media, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was warned by Russian intelligence of an imminent coup just hours before tanks appeared in the streets of Istanbul and Ankara last Friday.

Last week, the Russian army intercepted Turkish military communications that indicated a coup was being organized against the government of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to Fars News. This information was then passed on to Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization (MIT), diplomatic sources told the news agency.

 

This just plain scary if its true.  I remember I was watching RT news and the commenters were saying that forigen power was behind the coup.  I can back a few hours later and the signal was not working.  A couple days later it was revealed that RT was shutdown with a massive DOS attack. 

 

SeekingAPolitic...

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/turkeys-president-says-us-would...

 

The president has also demanded the US extradite Mr Gulen so he can face justice in Turkey.

In an interview with Al Jazeera, Mr Erdogan said it would be a “big mistake if the US decides not to extradite Gulen”.

However, he also emphasised that he did not want to strain Turkey’s relationship with the US.

“We need to be more sensitive,” he said, “Relations between our countries are based on interests, not feelings. We are strategic partners.”

This just puzzling first he warns the US and then he does not want to strain the relationship?(Context here is that the Labour minister who was on tv and told the public that US was behind the coup!!!!)

 

iyraste1313

Today, the famous Saudi whistleblower known as ‘Mujtahid’ has come out with a sensational disclosure that the UAE played a role in the coup and had kept Saudi Arabia in the loop. Also, the deposed ruler of Qatar Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani (who is a close friend of Erdogan) has alleged that the US, another Western country (presumably France) had staged the coup and that Saudi Arabia was involved in it. (here and here) Meanwhile, word has leaked to the media that in a closed-door briefing to the Iranian parliament on Sunday, Foreign Minister Mohammad Zarif hinted at Saudi and Qatari involvement in the coup....from MK Bhadrakumar

...this is all in response to Turkey's realignment to the Russia China Syria alliance?

SeekingAPolitic...

iyraste1313 wrote:

 

...this is all in response to Turkey's realignment to the Russia China Syria alliance?

this like finding the Rosetta Stone:)  Everything makes sense

 

I believe this is the major reason for the coup.  All these countries were pushing for assad to go and then Turkisk started backing out.  Without the Turkey this whole policy fails because the turkish border is the key to getting assad out. If there was betting man I would put my money this.  I think the people who run turkey got really afraid of the Kurdish revival that was in progress in syria.  I think the borders of turkey were in question due the kurdish revolt was making turkey very uncomfortable. This is MHO  the key reason that turkey started to change it forigen policy. 

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Did Russia tip Erdogan off about the impending coup d'etat? We'll never know, but yes, possibly ...

Fascinating stuff.

Erdogan: off to Moscow to mend fences. The US is fuming!

P. Lavelle wrote:
This is huge! Before the coup Erdogan signaled he wanted the “cold war” with Russia to come to an end. Turkey apologized for the shooting down of a Russian military aircraft last November; the Russian pilot lost his life. This was a very important first step. It is possible Russian intelligence tipped-off Erdogan about the planned coup. If this is the case, Erdogan may feel he has a debt to repay.

Q.: What are some of the other reasons behind this possible Russia-Turkey rapprochement?

A.: In one word: Syria. Ankara was gravely mistaken to pursue a policy of forced regime change in Damascus. That was its first blunder. The second was to believe Washington would have Turkey’s back. The Turks feel terribly betrayed by Washington’s callous indifference to Turkey’s security interests. America’s support of Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) infuriates Ankara. The Turks sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization. Washington’s crossed a red line that Ankara can allow to stand – the possible creation of a Kurdish state on its southern border with the help of the American military.

The Empire is outraged!

josh

The Associated PressVerified account ‏@AP

BREAKING: Turkey deputy prime minister says his country to suspend European human rights convention under new state of emergency.

iyraste1313

The geopolitical and economic consequences of the failed coup attempt in Turkey will be its U-turn from the EU and NATO towards Eurasia, according to theAustrian financial newspaper Wirtschaftsblatt.

The outlet noted how carefully the Turkish leadership has been monitoring the delayed reaction of the West to the failed attempt of the overthrow.

Only on Saturday afternoon, it says, came the comments of EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini and Johannes Hahn, Commissioner for the European Neighborhood Policy and Enlargement Negotiations.

Its senior NATO ally, the US, was also mute for the first three or four hours.

However, the newspaper notes, Russian President Putin was the first to voice support for Recep Tayyip Erdogan. During their telephone conversation on Saturday, the two leaders decided to put off their planned meeting until early August.

Timothy Ash, an emerging markets analyst at the Japanese banking giant Nomura, has told the newspaper that the events of the last weekend are groundbreaking for Turkey.

“The character and the face of the country will change towards the Asian model of development: a strong central presidency and a dominant single party government, like the one in Malaysia,” Wirtschaftsblatt quotes him as saying.

The analyst also suggested that Ankara will finally turn its back on the idea of EU membership, which de facto was dead after the Brexit referendum in the UK and the earlier Dutch referendum which overwhelmingly rejected the EU association agreement with Ukraine,The last illusions will be dropped when the Turkish parliament reintroduces the death penalty.  President Erdogan has already announced that this would happen.

Another motive for the rapprochement with Moscow, the newspaper says, is the Turkish Stream pipeline project and the Turkish interest in Russian nuclear power plants.

 

 

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iyraste1313 wrote:
The analyst also suggested that Ankara will finally turn its back on the idea of EU membership, which de facto was dead after the Brexit referendum in the UK and the earlier Dutch referendum which overwhelmingly rejected the EU association agreement with Ukraine,The last illusions will be dropped when the Turkish parliament reintroduces the death penalty.  President Erdogan has already announced that this would happen.

Another motive for the rapprochement with Moscow, the newspaper says, is the Turkish Stream pipeline project and the Turkish interest in Russian nuclear power plants.

 

These are good points but you're missing the very critical points above - by going along with predatory US foreign policy objectives, Turkey has been painted into a corner. And Erdogan is famous for being a political survivor ...

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Ankara was gravely mistaken to pursue a policy of forced regime change in Damascus. That was its first blunder.

Early in his administration, before the US and its other regional allies like the Saudis, Qater, etc.  had such a strong influence, Erdogan had no desire to overthrow, by force, the Syrian government. The blowback has been terrible - terrorism inside Turkey, a massive refugee problem, and so on.

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The second was to believe Washington would have Turkey’s back. The Turks feel terribly betrayed by Washington’s callous indifference to Turkey’s security interests. America’s support of Kurdish fighters of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) infuriates Ankara. The Turks sees this group as an affiliate of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) terrorist organization. Washington’s crossed a red line that Ankara can allow to stand – the possible creation of a Kurdish state on its southern border with the help of the American military.

In fact, both the secular military and the government's religious fundamentalism notwithstanding, both the coup plotters and the government share this second concern and are aggressively opposed to any Kurdish state being established. And this dovetails with both the Syrian and Russian view that Syria should remain a single unitary state and not dismembered - as per both Israeli and US wishes - into squabbling fiefdoms.

 

iyraste1313

good points but you're missing the very critical points...

you just have to wonder what those critical points are....I as yet do not have close contacts on the scene...but the economics comes to mind....

The Erdogan family is benefitting through Turkish redistribution of ISIS oil...

no doubt likewise from the heroin trade from Afghanistan, where Turkey is in alliance with CIA and the drug/warlords...

all very confusing in this era of deception and the bottom line!

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