And this dovetails with both the Syrian and Russian view that Syria should remain a single unitary state and not dismembered - as per both Israeli and US wishes - into squabbling fiefdoms.
This goes the same for Iraq, I see on American TV pundits and politicans discusing the dismemberment of Iraq is the natural outcome. Lets for the moment forget the US has the no right tell another country that it should split up. The only reason the current pro american government in iraq is still in power is that the US has not called for Kurdish homeland in iraq. If they do Shite factions will start a war agaisnt the Kurds to unifiy iraq. I doubt the american presence in Iraq will be welcome. If the Kurds try for a homeland they may be attack be Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran.
It's funny that Kerry's statement on the possible extradition of Fethullah Gulen is almost precisely the statement made by the Taliban back when the US wanted them to extradite Osama bin Laden.
Peter Lavelle had a great show on Turkey on his Friday episode of Crosstalk on RT. The debate was very informative. One contribution in particular is worth quoting at length.The quote may be slightly paraphrased.
Yunus Soner, Deputy Leader of Turkish Patriotic Party wrote:
There is a revolution here. ... Turkey is slowly leaving the Atlantic system. .. This is a matter of Turkey's security interests. This is a matter of Turkey's economic interests. Our biggest trade partners are China, Russia, and Germany. This is (also) a matter of culture. This is the basic reason why the coup happened. And this is the reason that those in NATO are in such a panic.
[The CBCs very sympathetic coverage of the Gulenists suddenly makes more "sense" from a NATO point of view. ]
Quote:
This is much broader, much bigger than Erdogan. This is a tectonic movement ... It will affect Turkish-Syrian relations, Turkish-Chinese relations, Turkish-Russian relations, Turkish-Iranian relations, and so on. This will change the world.
So I would just suggest to babblers that if even opposition political figures like Soner are talking like this, it's worth paying attention. Wait for the smoke to clear. And if the Americans, and their satellites, are apoplectic over domestic events in Turkey, then it's worth bearing in mind that they may just be more concerned about changes in Turkish foreign policy.
eta: The 1980 CIA-sponsored coup in that country saw upwards of 500,000 arrests - a far larger figure than the current one.
Turkey's deputy prime minister has described as "the tip of the iceberg" the infiltration of state institutions by the group the government blames for last Friday's failed coup.
Nurettin Canikli told the BBC that the number of arrests could grow.
...
Mr Canikli defended the post-coup measures, saying they were only targeting people who had been "100% identified".
He described the "terrorist" group behind the coup as a greater threat to Turkey than the so-called Islamic State militants or the Kurdish militant group, PKK.
Members of the group, he said, had "practically had their brains removed".
"They've been hypnotised. They're like robots. Each one of them is a potential threat. They could commit all sorts of attacks, including suicide bombs."
Turkey's deputy prime minister has described as "the tip of the iceberg" the infiltration of state institutions by the group the government blames for last Friday's failed coup.
Nurettin Canikli told the BBC that the number of arrests could grow.
...
Mr Canikli defended the post-coup measures, saying they were only targeting people who had been "100% identified".
He described the "terrorist" group behind the coup as a greater threat to Turkey than the so-called Islamic State militants or the Kurdish militant group, PKK.
Members of the group, he said, had "practically had their brains removed".
"They've been hypnotised. They're like robots. Each one of them is a potential threat. They could commit all sorts of attacks, including suicide bombs."
The Trotskyite clique is everywhere. Time for some show trials.
Turkey's deputy prime minister has described as "the tip of the iceberg" the infiltration of state institutions by the group the government blames for last Friday's failed coup.
Nurettin Canikli told the BBC that the number of arrests could grow.
...
Mr Canikli defended the post-coup measures, saying they were only targeting people who had been "100% identified".
He described the "terrorist" group behind the coup as a greater threat to Turkey than the so-called Islamic State militants or the Kurdish militant group, PKK.
Members of the group, he said, had "practically had their brains removed".
"They've been hypnotised. They're like robots. Each one of them is a potential threat. They could commit all sorts of attacks, including suicide bombs."
The Trotskyite clique is everywhere. Time for some show trials.
Is Erdogan Russia’s friend? Of course not. He is our enemy. But today he is mad at the US. And “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. For Russia, an Erdogan who is mad at the US is much preferable to a pro-American, unpredictable military in the Syrian war. At least now, Erdogan owes us, and the putschists owe the CIA. This opens a new window of possibilities for us in the complex game of international politics....Nikolai Starikov
Why have the turks made these demands public, regardless Gulen will not be sent to Turkey. The turks must know among the leadership that the Us will not give gulen. Why are they going thru the process destroying relations with the US. This is planned action why implicate the Americans in the coup and keep talking about Gulen. I speculate the turkisk government is playing this game to destroy any good will the average Turk has for the US. This building exercise in conidtioning the locals for an action that the will affect the US. I welcome alternative reasons for this action.
As the claim to expel ambassadors with from coup countries I waiting am for to see who will be blamed.
Turkey is pivoting east ... in the words of Yunus Soner, Deputy Leader of the Turkish Patriotic Party. "It is bigger than Erdogan," he says. "This will change the world", he says.
I have to admit that Erdogan is a much more clever b*stard than I had, hitherto, given him credit for. But Turkey also has enormous leverage and he knows it: the 2nd largest military in NATO - absolutely critical for US plans in SouthWest Asia; a very important Sunni Muslim (not Arab!) population; a critical county in terms of the management of the flow of refugees to Europe; manager of naval traffic through to the Black Sea (the Dardanelles, the Bosphorus and the Sea of Marmora); and on and on and on.
Foreign policy is not the key driver, obviously, but that's where outsiders, like ourselves, will see the difference or changes. And the changes right now look like they are really annoying Washington and the cabal of neo-con zealots there.
Moscow must be just laughing their asses off. They've been waiting decades - long before Putin - to have a better relationship with Turkey and now it gets handed to them on a platter. Or so it looks.
There also reports that Turkey closed its borders to Syria, If that is a case then the civil war is over.
If true, then it's good news. However, the foreign jihadists are still using the civilian population as human shields, they've not surrendered yet, there are other ways into Syria besides across the hitherto porous Turkish border, and so on. And the NATO countries (Canada included if I'm not mistaken!!) have been known to "accidently" drop supplies intended for "moderate" terrorists on the immoderate ones.
Remarkable foreign policy blessings that a failed coup d'état can bring, huh?
By contrast, Islamic scholar Sheikh Imran Hosein has characterized Turkey as a “Trojan horse.” In a talk given in Kuala Lumpur on July 29 (see video here starting at about 35:38), Hosein gives an analysis of the Turkish coup, offering up the view that “Turkey is being prepared to become the Trojan horse for Russia.” He returns to the subject again at the tail end of the program (1:49:27):
This is not a civil war between Muslims and Muslims. You (Turkey and others who have supported NATO) have left Islam when you joined NATO. And you are proud and happy to be a member of NATO. And now you are becoming NATO’s Trojan horse after the failed coup d’état. He (Erdogan) knew the coup d’état was coming. He knew that Fethullah Gulen was part of it. He knew that NATO was a part of it. He knew all of that. And he knew that the coup was going to fail so that he could have a chance now to wipe out all the opposition there is to him in Turkey, so that Turkey now is strong, without any internal opposition, so that Turkey can now play a strategic role in anticipation of the war against Russia. We are not fools. Erdogan should know we are not fools. And I hope Putin knows that this is a Trojan horse.
This botched coup is BIG; much bigger than the mainstream media are making the west believe. It could definitely and irreversibly tilt the balance of power in the MENA Region, perhaps give rise to a new world paradigm, as the new and crucial Russia-Turkey alliance solidifies, Turkey may be accepted into the wider circle of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa). Turkey is geographically situated at one of the most strategically important cross-roads between East and West, thereby making her a geopolitical kingpin.
Turkey moving East might ruin the West’s game plan. We can only hope for that to happen. However, the masters and economic elites behind Washington, have no tendency of letting go after losing a battle. Defeat must be total. Theirs or that of the rest of the world. It’s all or nothing.
There is more at stake than just Erdogan and Turkey’s survival as a western ally, much more. It would be way presumptuous to rest on the laurels of winning a battle against the West. There may be more in store for Turkey.
Peter Koenig is an economist and geopolitical analyst. He is also a former World Bank staff and worked extensively around the world in the fields of environment and water resources. He writes regularly for Global Research
The real coup is the one currently being staged against Turkish civil society by Erdogan. The one launched against Erdogan was a set-up to justify the widespread attack on civil rights in Turkey.
Blaming Russia for the Turkish crisis is no surprise, as Russia is apparently responsible for global warming, DNC computer hacking and crop circles.
You forgot to mention the bad weather we've been having. I have it on good authority - though I can't reveal my confidential sources - that the Russian President is responsible for that as well. Bastard!
The upcoming visit by Erdogan to Moscow will be a very big deal. I rather expect the Western MSM to present it as a meeting between Hitler and Mussolini.
This goes the same for Iraq, I see on American TV pundits and politicans discusing the dismemberment of Iraq is the natural outcome. Lets for the moment forget the US has the no right tell another country that it should split up. The only reason the current pro american government in iraq is still in power is that the US has not called for Kurdish homeland in iraq. If they do Shite factions will start a war agaisnt the Kurds to unifiy iraq. I doubt the american presence in Iraq will be welcome. If the Kurds try for a homeland they may be attack be Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran.
It's funny that Kerry's statement on the possible extradition of Fethullah Gulen is almost precisely the statement made by the Taliban back when the US wanted them to extradite Osama bin Laden.
We know how that turned out...
Peter Lavelle had a great show on Turkey on his Friday episode of Crosstalk on RT. The debate was very informative. One contribution in particular is worth quoting at length.The quote may be slightly paraphrased.
[The CBCs very sympathetic coverage of the Gulenists suddenly makes more "sense" from a NATO point of view. ]
So I would just suggest to babblers that if even opposition political figures like Soner are talking like this, it's worth paying attention. Wait for the smoke to clear. And if the Americans, and their satellites, are apoplectic over domestic events in Turkey, then it's worth bearing in mind that they may just be more concerned about changes in Turkish foreign policy.
eta: The 1980 CIA-sponsored coup in that country saw upwards of 500,000 arrests - a far larger figure than the current one.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36868230
The Trotskyite clique is everywhere. Time for some show trials.
Before they explode!
Is Erdogan Russia’s friend? Of course not. He is our enemy. But today he is mad at the US. And “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. For Russia, an Erdogan who is mad at the US is much preferable to a pro-American, unpredictable military in the Syrian war. At least now, Erdogan owes us, and the putschists owe the CIA. This opens a new window of possibilities for us in the complex game of international politics....Nikolai Starikov
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-24/anti-us-sabotage-suspected-afte...
Turkey seems to be offlimits from being reporterd on by the big TV new channels in North America.
Are you coming out?
The Int'l Spectator @intlspectator 26m26 minutes ago
BREAKING: Turkish Foreign Minister says country will expel ambassadors on back of failed coup
Kurdistan24 English@K24English 33m33 minutes ago
#BREAKING: Turkish FM warns Ankara- #Washington relations to deteriorate if US doesn't extradite #Gulen
Why have the turks made these demands public, regardless Gulen will not be sent to Turkey. The turks must know among the leadership that the Us will not give gulen. Why are they going thru the process destroying relations with the US. This is planned action why implicate the Americans in the coup and keep talking about Gulen. I speculate the turkisk government is playing this game to destroy any good will the average Turk has for the US. This building exercise in conidtioning the locals for an action that the will affect the US. I welcome alternative reasons for this action.
As the claim to expel ambassadors with from coup countries I waiting am for to see who will be blamed.
http://tass.ru/en/world/890428
Turkish Foreign Ministry thanks Russia for "unconditional support" during the coup
I wonder when will Obama get his thank you for US support.
Turkey is pivoting east ... in the words of Yunus Soner, Deputy Leader of the Turkish Patriotic Party. "It is bigger than Erdogan," he says. "This will change the world", he says.
I have to admit that Erdogan is a much more clever b*stard than I had, hitherto, given him credit for. But Turkey also has enormous leverage and he knows it: the 2nd largest military in NATO - absolutely critical for US plans in SouthWest Asia; a very important Sunni Muslim (not Arab!) population; a critical county in terms of the management of the flow of refugees to Europe; manager of naval traffic through to the Black Sea (the Dardanelles, the Bosphorus and the Sea of Marmora); and on and on and on.
Foreign policy is not the key driver, obviously, but that's where outsiders, like ourselves, will see the difference or changes. And the changes right now look like they are really annoying Washington and the cabal of neo-con zealots there.
Moscow must be just laughing their asses off. They've been waiting decades - long before Putin - to have a better relationship with Turkey and now it gets handed to them on a platter. Or so it looks.
https://www.rt.com/news/353837-turkey-coup-revenge-erdogan-gulen/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36925723
Strange going ons in Turkey.
https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish-police-incirlik-nato-coup/
http://www.news.com.au/world/reports-turkish-troops-have-sealed-off-inci...
There also reports that Turkey closed its borders to Syria, If that is a case then the civil war is over.
If true, then it's good news. However, the foreign jihadists are still using the civilian population as human shields, they've not surrendered yet, there are other ways into Syria besides across the hitherto porous Turkish border, and so on. And the NATO countries (Canada included if I'm not mistaken!!) have been known to "accidently" drop supplies intended for "moderate" terrorists on the immoderate ones.
Remarkable foreign policy blessings that a failed coup d'état can bring, huh?
By contrast, Islamic scholar Sheikh Imran Hosein has characterized Turkey as a “Trojan horse.” In a talk given in Kuala Lumpur on July 29 (see video here starting at about 35:38), Hosein gives an analysis of the Turkish coup, offering up the view that “Turkey is being prepared to become the Trojan horse for Russia.” He returns to the subject again at the tail end of the program (1:49:27):
...fascinating analysis!
This botched coup is BIG; much bigger than the mainstream media are making the west believe. It could definitely and irreversibly tilt the balance of power in the MENA Region, perhaps give rise to a new world paradigm, as the new and crucial Russia-Turkey alliance solidifies, Turkey may be accepted into the wider circle of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa). Turkey is geographically situated at one of the most strategically important cross-roads between East and West, thereby making her a geopolitical kingpin.
Turkey moving East might ruin the West’s game plan. We can only hope for that to happen. However, the masters and economic elites behind Washington, have no tendency of letting go after losing a battle. Defeat must be total. Theirs or that of the rest of the world. It’s all or nothing.
There is more at stake than just Erdogan and Turkey’s survival as a western ally, much more. It would be way presumptuous to rest on the laurels of winning a battle against the West. There may be more in store for Turkey.
Peter Koenig is an economist and geopolitical analyst. He is also a former World Bank staff and worked extensively around the world in the fields of environment and water resources. He writes regularly for Global Research
The real coup is the one currently being staged against Turkish civil society by Erdogan. The one launched against Erdogan was a set-up to justify the widespread attack on civil rights in Turkey.
Blaming Russia for the Turkish crisis is no surprise, as Russia is apparently responsible for global warming, DNC computer hacking and crop circles.
You forgot to mention the bad weather we've been having. I have it on good authority - though I can't reveal my confidential sources - that the Russian President is responsible for that as well. Bastard!
The upcoming visit by Erdogan to Moscow will be a very big deal. I rather expect the Western MSM to present it as a meeting between Hitler and Mussolini.
Author: F. William Engdahl Top USA National Security Officials Admit Turkey Coup
http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/31/top-usa-national-security-officials-admit-turkey-coup/
...a must read!
Turkey 'spied' on pro-Gulen opponents in Germany
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39416954
New poll suggests Turkish President Erdogan will lose referendum on executive powers by knife edge
Surveys conducted as voting begins in controversial vote that would expand president’s reach show a ‘no’ result ahead by just one per cent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkey-referendum-vo...
Tensions flare as Greece tells Turkey it is ready to answer any provocation
War of words between neighbours prompts defence experts to express fears of accident in region spiralling out of control
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/27/tensions-flare-greece-turk...
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