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PM Theresa May is set to make an important announcement shortly in front of # 10. Some speculate an election call. We shall see.

Mr. Magoo

It certainly clarifies Britain's options, and evidently three months for more bickering, infighting and finger pointing isn't one of them.  If UK lawmakers genuinely cannot stomach the negotiated agreement then they could save themselves and the EU a lot of drama (and money) by leaving without it in nine days.  The current "cost of Brexit" is primarily the cost of continuing uncertainty.

josh

NDPP wrote:

PM Theresa May is set to make an important announcement shortly in front of # 10. Some speculate an election call. We shall see.

 

Doubt she'd call an election since she said she wouldn't run in one.  Could step down though.

NDPP

Imperialism on Trial: 'The State' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1108087692695228416

Panel discussion with activists

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Last week & went to Veneto, the heartland of Italy's Lega Nord. Today, the plan is revealed. The fascists have agreed to help Britain exit without a deal. Salvini will block an extension of article 50. We're fucked.

..this could be at play as well.

NDPP

This fascist may help too...

Brexit: Emmanuel Macron Says He Will Veto Extension to Article 50

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17514791.brexit-emmanuel-macron-says-h...

"Emmanuel Macron will veto any attempt by the UK Government to postpone Brexit, according to French magazine Le Pont..."

Mr. Magoo

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The fascists have agreed to help Britain exit without a deal. Salvini will block an extension of article 50.

There's still a deal waiting on the table with a nearby pen.  And I think the EU has made it abundantly clear that there won't be any new negotiations, so how would vetoing an extension change Britain's choices?

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..the politicians have rejected that deal on the table..several times. the rejection of any extension is an attempt to force may's or a no deal brexit.  

Mr. Magoo

If we assume that the EU is, in fact, uninterested in starting negotiations for a new agreement, and if we also assume that UK lawmakers will never approve the deal that's on the table, then isn't that what's really forcing a "no deal" Brexit?

How is 3 more months supposed to change that?

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

If we assume that the EU is, in fact, uninterested in starting negotiations for a new agreement, and if we also assume that UK lawmakers will never approve the deal that's on the table, then isn't that what's really forcing a "no deal" Brexit?

How is 3 more months supposed to change that?

 ..you may not believe 3 more mon will help but were not discussing your beliefs. were discussing process. as a whole the eu doesn't want the uk to leave but the rejection of an extension forces the options. may's or no deal brexit.

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..there is another option whereby to avoid no deal brexit the politicians will come to a soft brexit arrangement by the 29th. 

NDPP

'#LetsGetOnWithIt'

https://twitter.com/GreenLeavesorg/status/1108374406022213635

"Not only is A50 extension unpopular...it also will achieve nothing. Junker or Tusk have already agreed - letter below - which requires that UK has left by 23 May or EU elections 2019 will have to be held."

NDPP

EU Ultimatum to May: You Can Only Delay Brexit If Deal is Passed

https://youtu.be/X2kfDz-t1Jg

"...The European Union should at last admit that it is responsible for Brexit also. Because Britain joined a football club and these buggers started to play hockey. Britain was always in favour of competitiveness and shared responsibility and it was the European Union that changed the game towards more concentration, socialization and so on. The European Union should recognize that that Brexit really hurts them because Brexit means, as if 19 small and medium-sized countries leave at the same time. And Britain is still the largest single customer of the EU ahead of China and the United States.' - Hans-Olaf Henkel, MEP

"The British people voted to leave the European Union. It's D minus 9, and by Friday of next week we could well have left the European Union. In which case we would have kept our word to 17.4 million people who instructed us as MPs to do exactly that.

We're not going to vote for this Agreement under any circumstances because we read it and it means we don't leave the European Union. When you read it, what it tells you is that we REMAIN half in and half out of the EU, which is why we cannot possibly vote for it because that betrays the votes of 17.4 million people..."

NDPP

'Through the Fog'

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1108489194924658694

"Through the fog: They vote next week on a binary choice. Back May and get a vassal-Brexit on June 30th. Reject May and get a clean-break Full-Brexit on March 29th. Whatever little Bercow and Saturday's soft-shoe shufflers say, THAT is now the choice." #Brexit #BrexitAlliance

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Corbyn not ruling out revoking article 50 to avoid no-deal Brexit

Jeremy Corbyn has refused to rule out seeking to revoke article 50 to prevent Britain from sliding into a no-deal Brexit, as senior EU officials privately talked up the possibility before a crunch summit in Brussels.

Speaking outside the European commission headquarters in Brussels, the Labour leader insisted his focus “at the moment” remained on trying to push the prime minister into a soft Brexit.

“These are hypotheticals,” Corbyn said in response to reporters’ questions over cancelling Brexit. “So far as we’re concerned we think there’s an urgency in constructing a majority for an agreeable solution and that’s what we’re concentrating on at the moment.”

Corbyn was holding talks with Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, and Martin Selmayr, the European commission’s secretary general, before Theresa May’s arrival at a leaders’ summit in Brussels on Thursday.....

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Petition to revoke article 50 exceeds 1m signatures amid site crashes

More than a million people have signed a plea for article 50 to be revoked. The list of names grew so rapidly on Thursday that the parliamentary petition website crashed several times.

The petition began gaining signatures on Wednesday evening after Theresa May criticised MPs for not approving her Brexit deal. When the site first crashed on Thursday the petition had received almost 600,000 signatures and was growing at a rate of 1,500 a minute.

At about 9am a message appeared stating that the site was “down for maintenance” and asking users to “please try again later”.

A House of Commons spokesperson told the Guardian: “The petitions site is experiencing technical difficulties and we are working to get it running again urgently. It has been caused by a large and sustained load on the system.”......

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Britain proposes to weaken environmental protection after Brexit

The British government has proposed to weaken environmental oversight as part of its plan to leave the European Union, creating a situation that critics say will leave serious gaps, especially if the United Kingdom plunges into a no-deal scenario.

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The national Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has described its bill as "world-leading." But professional planners, the House of Lords and environmental groups disagree. In fact, they say that, if adopted, the bill would weaken environmental protections.

For example, the new bill would create an England-only environmental watchdog who would have less powers and independence than the EU's oversight system, they say.

The EU's executive arm, the EU Commission, currently has the power to levy hefty fines on the U.K. and take it to the European Court of Justice when it breaks environmental law. It exercised that power in 2018 when it referred the U.K. to court for failing to reduce dangerous air pollution levels.

Britain’s official departure date from the European Union has long been planned for March 29, but that could change next week, given that no withdrawal agreement has been approved by Parliament. British Prime Minister Theresa May has failed twice to get the Brexit deal she has negotiated with Brussels past her parliamentary colleagues, suffering the biggest defeat by a sitting government in history on the first try in January.

The government has done extensive preparations for Brexit, including the proposal of new environmental legislation to replace the current system of environmental principles and governance set out by the EU.

But that bill is yet to go through Parliament, and if the U.K. plunges into a "no-deal" scenario, it isn't clear what would be in place to protect the environment.

When asked by National Observer on how it intends to address the potential environmental gaps caused by a potentially chaotic no-deal Brexit scenario, the British government declined to comment.

A government spokesman would only say that it planned to introduce "interim measures” in the event of a no-deal Brexit. But he declined to share details of what those measures might be....

NDPP

Trade Unionist for Brexit on Sky News (and vid)

https://twitter.com/EddieDempsey/status/1108472291229421569

"On Sky News talking about Brexit and Parliament reneging on the democratic vote of the people. 'It's only the Blairites who have tarnished the Left's image by putting the EU forward as something that's progressive..."

Also an environmental catastrophe.

josh

epaulo13 wrote:

Petition to revoke article 50 exceeds 1m signatures amid site crashes

More than a million people have signed a plea for article 50 to be revoked. The list of names grew so rapidly on Thursday that the parliamentary petition website crashed several times.

The petition began gaining signatures on Wednesday evening after Theresa May criticised MPs for not approving her Brexit deal. When the site first crashed on Thursday the petition had received almost 600,000 signatures and was growing at a rate of 1,500 a minute.

At about 9am a message appeared stating that the site was “down for maintenance” and asking users to “please try again later”.

A House of Commons spokesperson told the Guardian: “The petitions site is experiencing technical difficulties and we are working to get it running again urgently. It has been caused by a large and sustained load on the system.”......

Petitions count.  Votes don’t, apparently.

I guess the best spin you can put on Corbyn’s actions is that it is politically smart.  Because I know in his heart of hearts he doesn’t like the EU.

NorthReport

Brexit: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to rule out revoking Article 50 to stop no-deal

Move could be only way to prevent no-deal Brexit

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-arti...

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Labour’s been mocked for calling for an election. Now it’s the only way out

We are being trolled by a prime minister who is prepared to drive a nation into the abyss to preserve the cohesion of the Conservative party. Like a partner who perennially hints at a romantic three-course meal and a possible popping of the question only to give you beans on toast, Theresa May served up another anticlimax with her national address. She provided no exit routes out of a building she has set alight, merely attacking a parliament she forced the electorate to vote for less than two years previously.

It is the most basic statement of political reality to say that Britain’s national crisis has been manufactured by the Conservatives, but it’s one that needs repeating in a media environment rigged in favour of the right. A generation-long Tory power struggle and the disastrous attempts to navigate it by David Cameron and his successor have brought Britain to its knees. The narrative over the coming days will be that the onus is on Labour to accept May’s deal – a deal both remainers and leavers are united in judging to be terrible – or condemn Britain to no deal.

But while the parliamentary arithmetic does not favour a second referendum – almost no Tory MPs want it, and neither do dozens of Labour MPs in leave seats – there is a majority for a softer Brexit: a permanent customs union and close alignment with the single market. That is an outcome vetoed by the prime minister, not because it’s bad for the country – objectively it would better protect the economy, jobs and the Northern Ireland peace process – but because it risks formally splitting the Tories. A nation and its citizens are prisoners of the Tory psychodrama.....

Mr. Magoo

If they hold the election on Monday and swear-in Prime Minister Corbyn on Tuesday then that leaves Wednesday for the vote, and by Thursday he could be on his way to Brussels to force the EU to re-open negotiations.  Plenty of time.

TBH, I think Labour has to share the blame for Brexit arrangements becoming a fustercluck.  I think they've been trying to game Brexit into a snap election since pretty much the last snap election. 

Taking Brexit seriously would have meant so much more time for actually doing it right.  That's why the whole deadline extension is such a non-starter -- both sides are just going to use whatever time they're given to bicker, and to fight over 10 Downing, not to actually sit down and iron out some sort of (probably impossible) consensus.

NorthReport

Put it to the People march: When is it happening and how you can get involved?

Number of people who have pre-registered on the website is 'significantly higher' than those for October march, organisers say

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/put-it-to-the-people-marc...

josh

I thought it was put to the people.

The only way out is by adhering to the vote of the people and leaving on March 29.

nicky
JKR

Looks like before summer May will no longer be PM.

JKR

josh wrote:

The only way out is by adhering to the vote of the people and leaving on March 29.

Do you believe that’s going to happen?

josh

No I idea.  But there has been a determined effort to negate the results of the vote since the day after it took place.

NDPP

EU Summit Conclusions

https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/1108862606020935680

"Strasburg formally adopted extension to 22 May IF withdrawal agreement passes. If not, very short extension till 12 April and the whole carnival repeats again."

 

"Revoking Article 50, passed overwhelmingly by parliament consequent to the largest vote in British history, endorsed by both major parties in the 2017 General Election, will shatter forever faith in democracy in Britain and risk social peace in the country."

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1108866881992253441

NDPP

May, Corbyn in Brussels for Brexit

https://youtu.be/nMv7e2xizjQ

"As long as May is PM, there's only two deals on the table. Hers and no deal."

NDPP

'17 Million FUCK OFFS!'

https://youtu.be/oD-Sz8S7bA0

A song about Brexit...

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EU Grants Britain a Short Extension on Brexit Plans

European Union officials have offered the United Kingdom a short extension for its plans to leave the EU. European Council President Donald Tusk said Thursday he’ll roll back the deadline for Brexit from March 29 to April 12—but only if British lawmakers approve a Brexit plan they’ve already rejected twice.

Donald Tusk: “The U.K. government will still have a choice of a deal, no deal, a long extension or revoking Article 50. The 12th of April is a key date in terms of the U.K. deciding whether to hold European Parliament elections. If it has not decided to do so by then, the option of a long extension will automatically become impossible.”

JKR

josh wrote:

No I idea.  But there has been a determined effort to negate the results of the vote since the day after it took place.

Some would argue that during the referendum there was a determined effort by the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson to lie to the UK people in order to put the Leave side a tiny bit over the finish line. Maybe Nigel and Boris will still win the day?

josh

JKR wrote:

josh wrote:

No I idea.  But there has been a determined effort to negate the results of the vote since the day after it took place.

Some would argue that during the referendum there was a determined effort by the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson to lie to the UK people in order to put the Leave side a tiny bit over the finish line. Maybe Nigel and Boris will still win the day?

As opposed to the lies on the other side?

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..so far

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.

3,360,250 signatures

NDPP

Meet the Lexiteers

http://tinyurl.com/yxvhse9e

Alice Bragg travelled to Doncaster in Yorkshire to meet a group of left-wing Leave voters.

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Not a fan of PV, so wasn’t going on the march, but it will show that many of us knew Brexit was a mistake. Just like the Iraq war march, history will remember us and, like Blair, the Brexiteers will never escape the blame for ignoring the million in the streets. C U there?

3h3 hours ago

FYI on why I don’t support a People’s Vote: Too divisive. Puts the debate back into hands of polarising figures like Farage and Blair. Prefer the deliberative democracy of a People’s Assembly. Better chance of finding a consensus than holding another winner-takes-all referendum.

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NDPP wrote:

Meet the Lexiteers

http://tinyurl.com/yxvhse9e

Alice Bragg travelled to Doncaster in Yorkshire to meet a group of left-wing Leave voters.

..i get these folk. i believe i understand what they are saying. but there is absolutely zero evidence presented that going out under a tory brexit or a tory no deal brexit will fix any of it. maybe you can explain the process that will take place that will make things better. not just by arguing that the eu is bad but a process that takes place within the uk beginning with the tory brexit..please.

josh

epaulo13 wrote:

..so far

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.

3,360,250 signatures

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1108866881992253441

If Article 50 is revoked, and the majority who voted to leave have their vote nullified, the bitterness it will engender in those voters will lead many of them to look for anti-democratic alternatives.  Parties and individuals that will make UKIP look like the Liberal party of yore.  

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..that's an opinion josh. not a fact.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Meet the Lexiteers

http://tinyurl.com/yxvhse9e

Alice Bragg travelled to Doncaster in Yorkshire to meet a group of left-wing Leave voters.

What Thatcherism and Blairism wrought,  In short, neo-liberal economics.

NDPP

@epaulo13:

I support and respect the decision of the majority of the British people as already expressed in their decision by referendum to leave the EU. I must admit I am surprised to find you opposing their democratic choice, and instead advocating for a neoliberal supranational prison like the EU. There is no hope there.  Suggest you review my TRNN posting of Costas Lapavitsas in hopes  he may help you see the wrongheadedness of your present alignment.  On the bright side, the ultimate decision is neither yours nor mine to make.

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NDPP wrote:

@epaulo13:

I support and respect the decision of the majority of the British people as already expressed in their decision by referendum to leave the EU. I must admit I am surprised to find you opposing their democratic choice, and instead advocating for a neoliberal supranational prison like the EU. There is no hope there.  Suggest you review my TRNN posting of Costas Lapavitsas in hopes  he may help you see the wrongheadedness of your present alignment.  On the bright side, the ultimate decision is neither yours nor mine to make.

..i think you understand my position quite well and it doesn't surprise you at all. you just don't agree with it. i have listened to lapavitsas and he has a lot to contribute. he has a lot to contribute but i don't agree with his conclusion. there is to much focus on the external and so very little on the actual organizing that needs to happen for a positive outcome.

..your responce to my question is a perfect example of that.  

NDPP

There was indeed organization and the  'positive outcome' was a majority result in a historic referendum that promised to take Britain out of the ghastly neoliberal monstrosity that is the EU, and which has now been betrayed by a collaborating political class consisting of all the usual suspects, big capital, big media, the two main political parties, and the useful idiots they've deluded into going along with this anti-democratic subversion. That these include those who self-identify as 'progressives' is just another sad sign of the times.

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..it was chaos not organization and going out on a tory brexit would continue/exasterbate that chaos. without organization disaster capitalism would step in and the people would be totally fucked not emancipated. totally fucked even more from that than with the eu..because it can get worse.

..i ran across a piece a couple days ago whereby some of the labour rank and file asked labour leave ministers which of the promises would be crossed off the manifesto..because the cost of brexiting is calculated in the billions.

JKR

josh wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..so far

Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.

3,360,250 signatures

https://mobile.twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1108866881992253441

If Article 50 is revoked, and the majority who voted to leave have their vote nullified, the bitterness it will engender in those voters will lead many of them to look for anti-democratic alternatives.  Parties and individuals that will make UKIP look like the Liberal party of yore.  

Why not have a referendum to see if the majority still support Brexit now that the ramifications of Brexit are much clearer. Maybe only 1 in 3 now support Brexit after seeing what it’s actually about?

josh

We’ve been over and over this.  This has been an issue for UK voters for nearly 50 years.  They knew what leave meant when they voted to leave,

JKR

josh wrote:

We’ve been over and over this.  This has been an issue for UK voters for nearly 50 years.  They knew what leave meant when they voted to leave,

Maybe they should be able to decide if they’ve been duped or not?

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Labour tables amendment to give parliament control of Brexit

Labour has tabled an amendment to the government’s neutral motion on Monday that would hand control of the Brexit process over to parliament.

Noting that Theresa May’s deal has been defeated twice, the proposal sets out the various Brexit alternatives being put forward by MPs – including Labour’s plan, customs union membership, Common Market 2.0 and another referendum.

The amendment calls on the government to allow MPs to hold ‘indicative votes’, which could allow the Commons to establish which Brexit options has the most support in parliament.

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