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BoJo Clears Decks By Shutting Down Parliament (and vid)

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1166832011186778126

"Members of the UK Parliament are outraged over the Queen's approval of PM Boris Johnson's move to shut down the legislative body."

'The Coup is YOU'

'...88% have no time for this parliament - no time for these endless parliamentary games. So Johnson is clearing the decks for a 'people vs parliament' General Election. And those who have allowed Labour to be maneuvered into a position of standing with the very worst elements of British society to try and block the people's will, will reap the whirlwind...'

cco

I'm sure Chrystia Freeland will announce that Canada's recognizing Jeremy Corbyn as interim prime minister of the UK until free elections can be held with Conservatives banned from standing. Right?

NDPP

Good one cco!

 

BBC Reports

https://youtu.be/hBPwHJjfQNY

"Public support prorogation..."

NDPP

Who Will Defend Democracy?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/28/who-will-defend-democracy/

"...Earlier today, alleged republican Jeremy Corbyn demanded an emergency audience with the Queen, to try and convince her to reject Johnson's request. So much does he value democracy he was hoping the monarch would intervene in his favour. Next thing you know he'll be calling on the generals to do their patriotic duty. The response from faux-left Remainers has perhaps been the most infuriating - and certainly the most delusional. Corbynistas are protesting in Westminster tonight. Some have even called for a general strike, to the end of crushing the votes of millions of workers.

The PM's critics claim to be sticking up for parliamentary democracy. But they don't really mean it. Most of them didn't bat an eyelid as our parliamentary democracy was diluted by dint of our membership of the European Union. And they now are fighting tooth and nail to keep us in that anti-democratic racket.

More importantly, there is no reason to believe that this prorogation will pan out well for Brexit; and those Brexiteers celebrating today risk a rude awakening tomorrow. In a letter to MPs earlier, Johnson made clear he intends to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU, secure concessions at the European Council on 17 October, then put it to a vote in the Commons, just days before the Brexit deadline. And what might that deal look like? A hell of a lot like the one we have now..."

NDPP

"This huge Commission building in Brussels, in the shape of a cross, is absolutely un-British. I felt as if I were going as a slave to Rome; The whole relationship was wrong. Here was I, an elected man who could be removed, doing a job, and here were these people with more power than I had and no accountability to anybody. My visit confirmed in a practical way all my suspicions that this would be the decapitation of British democracy without any countervailing advantage, and the British people, quite rightly, wouldn't accept it..." Tony Benn, UK Labour, 1974

https://twitter.com/JAKKLomond/status/1166740124127899653

 

"Sections of the Left calling for a general strike to prevent the outcome of a national democratic vote from being implemented...We are truly down the rabbit hole. The general strike in 1926 was supported by miners, dockers, railway workers, printers and transport workers. The one in 2019 will be supported by Guardian journalists, liberal academics and middle-class MPs."

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1166732278648770560

josh

There was no reason to prorogue Parliament.  And Tony Benn would have been dead set against it.  

NDPP

"It is beyond cognition how many Corbynites cannot see that it is in Labour's interests for Brexit to be completed BEFORE the General Election. Blinded by hysteria they have played right into Boris Johnson's hands...Because there can never be class politics as usual in Britain until Brexit is done. Isn't that obvious? From the din, from the polls, from common sense? I wouldn't have started from here mate. But five days less time wasting in parliament is way less of a coup than what's been happening to wreck Brexit for over three years. I don't want this parliament to be prorogued, I want it to be dissolved."

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1166998062557990912

josh

Galloway's right.

contrarianna

NDPP wrote:

"It is beyond cognition how many Corbynites cannot see that it is in Labour's interests for Brexit to be completed BEFORE the General Election. Blinded by hysteria they have played right into Boris Johnson's hands...Because there can never be class politics as usual in Britain until Brexit is done. Isn't that obvious? From the din, from the polls, from common sense? I wouldn't have started from here mate. But five days less time wasting in parliament is way less of a coup than what's been happening to wreck Brexit for over three years. I don't want this parliament to be prorogued, I want it to be dissolved."

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1166998062557990912

Galloway, who is actively supporting Farage's Brexit Party, is not terribly credible on this issue.

Though there are sound arguments from the left why "remain" is a bad option, any enthusiasm for "leave" is unwarranted. Galloway's rejection of anti-Brexit "hysteria" is certainly matched by his own pro-Brexit "hysteria".

The arguments from both sides are naive in expectations for their side, with opposing left views usually suppressed. The prime pro-Brexit illusion being that the people of the UK will have greater independence outside the EU. This presumes there will somehow be a functioning democracy rather than the established simulcrum managed by transnational corporate and security state interests. 

The UK state is already subserviant to the US empire more than any other EU state. Greater US integration and ceding of independence to the US under Brexit, in economy, military obedience and greater killing of social and environmental responsibilty is pretty clear, with some of the US demands already on record. 

There would be different corporate winners and losers with Brexit or no Brexit, the increasing predations of psuedo-democratic neoliberalism will not be thwarted by a leave. 

NDPP

LeFT Statement on Boris Johnson and the Prorogation of Parliament

https://twitter.com/LeFTCampaign/status/1166798544956772352

"...The way through the current impasse is for the Tory government to be kicked out, a General Election called, and the left to fight on the principled position of breaking with the European Union and transforming society."

 

The Fake Workerism of Remainiacs

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/29/the-fake-workerism-of-remainiacs/

"There is nothing left-wing or anti-austerity about over-turning Brexit..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

The Fake Workerism of Remainiacs

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/29/the-fake-workerism-of-remainiacs/

"There is nothing left-wing or anti-austerity about over-turning Brexit..."

"There is nothing left-wing or anti-austerity about"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Spiked

nicky

 

Keiran Pedley

 

@keiranpedley

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3hNEW

@IpsosMORI

poll Satisfaction with the job being done on Brexit... Johnson 34% Satisfied 49% dissatisfied -15 net Corbyn 15% satisfied 70% dissatisfied -55 net

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Which is why those who slandered the man on antisemitism need to admit he and his supporters are innocent on that, and also need to admit that the interim government is the only way to get a second referendum-not that there's any good reason to still be pushing for a second referendum since soft Brexit would save the only good parts of the arrangement while getting rid of the pointlessly antisocialist, antiworker parts.   Everyone knows a second referendum couldn't pass the current parliament as long as the Tories remain in power, and that there's nothing Corbyn could possibly do that could be worse than keeping Boris in Number 10.

Corbyn is not the problem.  The pointless hate campaign waged against Corbyn and his courageous, heroic supporters is the problem-that hate campaign should have ended, once and for all, once the 2017 results were in.  Why DIDN'T your lot end it, nicky?

nicky

Because we want the Labour Party yo win, KEN.

meanwhile:

On who would make best Prime Minister:

 

B. Johnson: 45%

J. Swinson: 19%

J. Corbyn: 17%

 

via @Survation, 29 - 30 Aug

NDPP

A Very British Blunder

http://www.newworker.org/archive2019/nw20190830/a_very_british_blunder.html

"...Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyn's bid to win broader support for a no-confidence vote to face an early election has been diverted into a cross-party Remainer effort to block Brexit by legal challenges and procedural methods in parliament. The PM, who somewhat belatedly embraced the Brexit cause to pave his way to Downing Street, is not a committed Brexiteer. During last week's talks with the French and German leaders he apparently said that if they dropped their demand for an Irish 'backstop', he would accept Mrs May's rubbishy withdrawal plan that would keep Britain within the EU in all but name. He doubtlessly warned them that if they refused they could end up dealing with a 'left'-led Corbyn government. But he still came back empty-handed.

The leaders of Franco-German imperialism clearly have no interest in bailing out the Johnson government. It is equally clear that they believe that the Johnson government can be brought down. Whether that government is led by Corbyn is a matter of indifference to Brussels. They easily bought off the Syriza government in Greece and they no doubt think they can do the same with Labour. All that matters is that the current government is replaced by a new administration that will call for a second referendum to reverse the historic decision to leave the EU. Johnson is falling into a Remainer trap..."

Perhaps not 'falling'.

josh

Survation numbers:

CON 31 (+3) LAB 24 (NC) LD 21 (NC) BREX 14 (-2) GRE 3 (NC) SNP 4 (NC) AP 3 (-1)

NDPP

The BOE's Crooked Canadian Boss

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1166455297717809152

"Mark Carney is facing questions over a 'secret' trip to Silicon Valley for a meeting with the billionaire founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg. Carney met Zuckerberg before 'Libra' cryptocurrency was unveiled..."

Big Bankster Carney's Goldman Sachs senior partner chops continue to serve him in good stead as he perhaps prepares for what may turn out to be an uncertain but possibly very profitable Humpty Dumpty economic future. For his class. Not ours.

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nicky wrote:

Because we want the Labour Party yo win, KEN.

meanwhile:

On who would make best Prime Minister:

 

B. Johnson: 45%

J. Swinson: 19%

J. Corbyn: 17%

 

via @Survation, 29 - 30 Aug

Thanks for admitting that what the anti-Corbynites have done since 2015 is nothing but a hate campaign, btw.  If you wanted Labour to win, you wouldn't have attacked the only leader the party has had in decades who is seen as a decent, honest human by the electorate.  And Labour can only win if the voters trust its leader-you know perfectly well they would automatically distrust and probably despise any leader the people who have vilified Corbyn approve of.   
 

Would you agree that the party conference needs to abolish the MP endorsement requirement, since the anti-Corbynite MPs don't support the socialist, anti-austerity and antiwar values of the party membership?  That it's time to restore full internal democracy and disempower any right-wing holdovers in the party bureaucracy and give rank-and-file full control of the leadership and candidate selection process?

You'd have to concede the point, obviously, that, since the anti-Corbyites would only accept a "moderate" on the ballot, that anyone they approved of would abandon the poor, given that no one who went along with Harriet Harman's directive to abstain on the Tory benefit cuts of 2015 has any right to claim to care about making the UK a caring, compassionate society.

nicky

Give it a rest Ken

how by saying that Labour moderates would like to win an election can i possibly be said to concede some of your bizarre notions?  

NDPP

George Galloway: MOATS, Episode 11

https://youtu.be/5yEbJBl6Qe8

"Joining us on the show today is Miko Peled, an Israeli author and activist. Steven Wolfe former MEP and Jody Brar, LIVE from Venezuela, and the war that's going on here in Britain..."

'Burning British flags, holding aloft EU flags - quite apart from the morality of all this - this is electorally disastrous for Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Diane Abbot and the other Labour 'left-wing' leaders that are now indissolubly linked to this phenomenon. These donkeys actually called for a General Strike in defence of the European Union. They didn't call for a General Strike against the annihilation of our industrial base...What kind of madness is this...?"

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nicky wrote:

Give it a rest Ken

how by saying that Labour moderates would like to win an election can i possibly be said to concede some of your bizarre notions?  

I asked why the anti-Corbynites didn't give up their hate campaign after 2017.  Your response was an admission that the anti-Corbyn effort was and is a hate campaign-that it has been grounded in accusations that Corbyn abetted a form of bigotry everyone knows he has fought against all his life, that it has been grounded in lies about the 2015 referendum, in the claim that Corbyn could have prevented the Leave victory, even though all of you know it could not have been prevented given the out of touch and essentially reactionary campaign the Remain forces carried out, and in an irrational demand that Corbyn center the fight for a second referendum when they knew it was impossible to get any MORE votes for the second referendum while the Tories stayed in power.

And if the "Labour moderates" wanted to win elections, they wouldn't have kept attacking and slandering Corbyn and kept trying to force him to resign as leader DURING the campaign, even though it's impossible for a political party to change leaders once an election has been called, and they wouldn't have demanded that Corbyn adopt rules that would, as you would have to concede, would have made it impossible to express any support for Palestinian self-determination  or the humanity of the Palestinian people at all and would have forced everyone in the party to become an unquestioning public defender of Netanyahu.

If they wanted to win elections, they wouldn't have kept demanding that not only Corbyn stand down but that the MP nominations policy on leadership elections be kept in place-a policy that would be use to guarantee that only right-wing(which is what "Labour moderates" should be called, since they have no progressive or left-of-center views on any significant issues) and that Labour MPs continue to be guaranteed automatic re-selection for life-a policy which gives constituency parties no way at all to hold the MPs they work to keep in office accountable-and they wouldn't keep treating the majority of the party which supports left policies as though that majority has no right to have any say in what the party stands for and who leads it.

If Labour moderates wanted to win elections, they would admit that Labour can't win without left-wing votes, that most of the party at the grassroots level is on the left, and that they therefore need to accept that the party belongs to the left a least as much, if not more, as it does to the right.

How do you reckon, nicky, that the Labour Right can go on as it has and still, somehow, create a situation in which a Labour victory at the polls could possibly happen?

You know full well they can't force Corbyn out and then, after doing so, retain any right to expect that the party trust and unite in support of whoever they deigne to ACCEPT as leader.

And you know full well, based on what happened on the benefit cuts votes in 2015, that the Labour Right doesn't care about the poor, isn't intereste in creating a society based on humane, caring, egalitarian values-it can't be humane and caring WITHOUT egalitarianism, for god's sakes-and would be unable to persuade anyone that whoever it imposed as Corbyn's replacement on a rigged, 2008 style leadership ballot could possibly be worth supporting at the polls.

How can the Labour Right possibly think it could treat a leader it doesn't like this way and then, after that, expect anybody other than the anti-Corbyn MPs themselves to back whoever it puts in place to replace that leader?  

Corbyn an his supporters never treated any leader he had disagreements with with this level of toxicity-and clearly, there was a very strong case that Kinnock, Brown, and Miliband were LESS effective as leaders than he was.  Why was it asking too much to even treat Corbyn and his supporters with a MINIMAL level of respect?  To at least acknowledge that those supporters were and are most of the party and that they have as much right to have a say as the PLP?

NorthReport

Jeremy Corbyn’s Plans to rewrite the rules of the UK economy

https://amp.ft.com/content/e1028dda-ca49-11e9-a1f4-3669401ba76f

josh
contrarianna

NDPP wrote:

George Galloway: MOATS, Episode 11

https://youtu.be/5yEbJBl6Qe8

"Joining us on the show today is Miko Peled, an Israeli author and activist. Steven Wolfe former MEP and Jody Brar, LIVE from Venezuela, and the war that's going on here in Britain..."

'Burning British flags, holding aloft EU flags - quite apart from the morality of all this - this is electorally disastrous for Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Diane Abbot and the other Labour 'left-wing' leaders that are now indissolubly linked to this phenomenon. These donkeys actually called for a General Strike in defence of the European Union. They didn't call for a General Strike against the annihilation of our industrial base...What kind of madness is this...?"

You gotta hand it to "Make Britain Great Again" George, he IS passionate --even when condemning himself.  In George's own words, in 5 short years he has lost more brain cells than "these donkeys".

George Galloway (2014):     “I’ll be campaigning to remain in the EU as anyone with any brain cells will be doing”

George Galloway (2019):  “I will be supporting Nigel Farage in next months elections”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3sey4UMj74

Since, NDPP, you seem to share (the current) Galloway passion perhaps you could explain what you think the Trump endorsed, Farage-BoJo-Galloway No Deal Brexit "freedom" will look like in the real world?

IMO the reality of a hard Brexit "independence" will move the already US subservient Britain political economic zone even more abjectly into US imperial bootlicking and strengthen its master's clout.

Post-Brexit UK ‘desperate’ for Trump trade deal, former US treasury secretary says

The U.K. government's commitment to leaving the European Union in less than three months with or without a deal has crippled its trade negotiating power, former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers said.

"Britain has no leverage. Britain is desperate. Britain has nothing else," Summers told the BBC's "Today" program this morning.

"It needs an agreement [on trade with the U.S.] very soon. When you have a desperate partner that's when you strike the hardest bargain."...

Summers added that even if London and Washington could come to an agreement, the U.K. would be in a weak negotiating position.

Britain has much less to give than Europe as a whole did, therefore less reason for the United States to make concessions,” he said.

“You make more concessions dealing with a wealthy man than you do dealing with a poor man.”...

https://www.politico.eu/article/post-brexit-uk-desperate-for-trump-trade...

Yum, yum, lamb chops.

Global Research, August 14, 2019

John Bolton Visit – Forcing Britain’s Hand over Huawei, Iran and China before Trade Deal

His arrival is a dark day for Britain. It signifies what the Trump administration expects of its latest geopolitical scalp.

Sam Lowe from the Centre for European Reform said –

“Remember that Bolton is not a trade expert. All he cares about is getting leverage to get the U.K. to follow the U.S. on Huawei, Iran and China.”

John Bolton’s proposal for the sectoral U.S.-U.K. post-Brexit trade deal has caused rather childish excitement in London, with many trade experts not in the slightest impressed.

When the U.S. asks Britain to sign on the dotted trade deal line, it will be Congress, organisations representing the likes of U.S. farmers, and Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer who dictate the conditions, not the musings Trump’s international chief enforcer.

“What Bolton is proposing is not realistic,” said Lowe – “Why would Congress sign off on anything that doesn’t have agriculture included?”

Lowe forgot to mention that access to the NHS and pharmaceutical business is dependent on this US trade deal....

Any trade deal with the U.S. needs to be ratified by Congress — where Democrats have a majority in the House of Representatives, and interest groups such as farmers, frackers, the chemicals industry work to make sure any trade deal is in their favour. If it isn’t in there, there’s no deal.

“All Congress cares about is dismantling the EU’s regulatory approach to food and chemicals,” Lowe argued. “Any deal that falls short of that would not be ratified, regardless of Bolton’s assurances.”...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/john-bolton-visit-forcing-britain-hand-ove...

I accept that an unreformed (probably unreformable) EU is bad, but please explain how a No Deal Brexit is better for the world?

NDPP

Dear Corbynistas: Don't Be Blackmailed into Thwarting Brexit'

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/dear-corbynistas

"Anti-Brexit forces committed to making the Labour Party into a defender of the neoliberal status quo are gearing up to bully socialist party members to back Remain. Here's why all the arguments they are using are wrong..."

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Soft Brexit wouldn't thwart it.   It would still free the UK from everything bad in the arrangement.  

josh

From the full Brexit link:

Brexit is simply about leaving the political and legal structures of the EU and restoring the unfettered power of parliament to make laws that govern the UK. A Tory government may well make use of this newfound freedom to enact policies the left does not like. But that government can then be voted out at the next election and a different set of policies introduced. In other words, there is nothing permanent about a “Tory Brexit” because the Tory part can always subsequently be unpicked. The only reason to believe otherwise is that one doubts the capacity of the left ever to win an election. That is merely an expression of defeatism and cowardice.

 

Secondly, those peddling this excuse fail to recognise that remaining within the EU would ensure that, even if the Labour Party were subsequently to win an election, it would be constrained to behave very much like the Conservative Party. As several Full Brexit contributors have repeatedly demonstrated at length, EU law binds the hands of national governments, who voluntarily surrender their sovereignty as a condition of membership, preventing even mildly socialist policies like nationalisation, state aid and capital controls (see Proposal #2 - Quit the Single MarketAnalysis #33 - Nationalisation and the Fraud of “Remain and Reform”). Short-term fear of a Tory government therefore promises to destroy the prospects for even modest social-democratic reform in Britain. The Blairite wing of the Labour Party must be delighted.

NDPP

Deutsche Bank Chief Economist on No Deal

https://youtu.be/El23qxkinJM

"A 'No-Deal' Brexit is not the end of the world. My view is that over the medium and long term the economy will do well. So to go for an inadequate deal - a deal that constrains the UK - would for me definitely be a second-best solution..."

 

"This part of the Brexit Extension bill is very significant. It states the EU can choose the length of the extension without a limit - and the Prime Minister must agree to it..."

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1168564645197680641

 

josh

Tory MP Phillip Lee defects to Lib Dems, leaving UK government with no working majority in Commons

JKR

It’s strange seeing people here rooting for Boris’s and Nigel’s no-deal scheme.

JKR

But maybe not that strange when one considers people were rooting for Trump here in 2016.

JKR

Boris, Nigel, and, Donald, three peas in a pod.

josh

Left opposition to the EU, both now and historically, has been discussed extensively on this and other threads.

NDPP

'Our Least Finest Hour: Britain is in the Grip of Mass Hysteria!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1168841066050514944

"It's no longer really about Brexit; it's about democracy. Britain needs a new Parliament..." - Galloway-

JKR

josh wrote:

Left opposition to the EU, both now and historically, has been discussed extensively on this and other threads.

Maybe Nigel and Boris have been reading Babble?!?!

JKR

NDPP wrote:

'Our Least Finest Hour: Britain is in the Grip of Mass Hysteria!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1168841066050514944

"It's no longer really about Brexit; it's about democracy. Britain needs a new Parliament..." - Galloway-

Maybe a referendum should be held specifically on a no-deal Brexit?

contrarianna

NDPP wrote:

Dear Corbynistas: Don't Be Blackmailed into Thwarting Brexit'

https://www.thefullbrexit.com/dear-corbynistas

"Anti-Brexit forces committed to making the Labour Party into a defender of the neoliberal status quo are gearing up to bully socialist party members to back Remain. Here's why all the arguments they are using are wrong..."

Thanks for that. A cut and paste without comment but a fine illustration of my previous points.

It's a typical article of the more blindered cheerleaders for a hard Brexit. 

In its  3 sections refuting "the main arguments for Remain", the US, the only global economic/military hegemon doesn't even merit a passing mention, let alone a refutation.  The invisible rampaging elephant in the room.

Throwing off the yoke of EU, consists of a "sovereignty" comprised of US  total, rather than partial, dominance. I suppose the hard Brexit activists Bolton and Trump are only interested in freedom and soverenty of Britan --just as they are with are with all other nations they watch over?

If you can make an argument actually  addressing and dismissing the role of the US in post hard Brexit, I will certainly read it. 

 

NDPP

The fact that a majority of Britons voted overwhelmingly to leave the neoliberal EU, reassures me that they are the best defenders of their own sovereignty against foreign threats European or American.  I note paradoxically an alarming  lack of  concern on this same point on this board about the dramatic ongoing loss of Canadian sovereignty via CETA, CUSMA etc.

CETA Toxic in France, Why Not Canada?

https://canadians.org/blog/ceta-toxic-france-why-not-canada

"...While there was little criticism in Canada, a big political storm was brewing in France. CETA is politically poisonous in France."

josh

Tory rebels and opposition MPs have defeated the government in the first stage of their attempt to pass a law designed to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

The Commons voted 328 to 301 to take control of the agenda, meaning they can bring forward a bill seeking to delay the UK's exit date.

In response, Boris Johnson said he would bring forward a motion for an early general election.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49573555?ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ocid=socialflow_twitter&ns_campaign=bbcnews

josh

UK: 21 Conservative (ECR) Members of Parliament expelled from parliamentary group after voting against the Government. This group includes the former Chancellor (finance minister) and Winston Churchill’s grandson.

NDPP

"Some of the same Labour MPs who were recently plotting with other political parties to install an unelected government in an effort to block no-deal are now refusing to support a general election called on that very question because it's a 'diversion.' Work that one out."

Easy-peasy. Because Labour collaborationists will pay dearly in a GE. This is a standard and historical EU obstructionist tactic - when people vote 'wrong' subvert the process and/or repeat the voting  until they get it 'right.' Defend EU neoliberalism at all cost by any means necessary.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1168638894172254210

NorthReport

 

 

Very well said JKR

 

 

JKR wrote:

It’s strange seeing people here rooting for Boris’s and Nigel’s no-deal scheme.

NorthReport

Sounds like Johnson is having a temper-tantrum as the emperor has no clothes

When’s the date?

bekayne

NDPP

Today Was A Dark Day For British Democracy

https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/1169143180345917441

"If MPs have seized power from anyone this evening, it is from us, the public, the millions who voted to leave the EU. This is not parliament vs the executive - this is parliament vs the people, and it opens up one of the greatest, most troublesome constitutional crises of modern times...In essence, this evening MPs have gone some way, almost all the way, to achieving the terrible thing they have been agitating for since June 2016: stopping Brexit. That is their fundamental aim. It is essential to understand that when they talk about 'blocking No Deal,' they mean 'blocking Brexit.'

josh

The fact that a majority of Britons voted overwhelmingly.

52-48 was not an overwhelming margin.  Nonetheless, their wishes should be upheld.  

josh

JKR wrote:

NDPP wrote:

'Our Least Finest Hour: Britain is in the Grip of Mass Hysteria!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1168841066050514944

"It's no longer really about Brexit; it's about democracy. Britain needs a new Parliament..." - Galloway-

Maybe a referendum should be held specifically on a no-deal Brexit?

That was held.  The question was remain or leave.  Not leave only under certain conditions.

NorthReport

Finally a hard Brexit is dead

What’s the next step to put an end to this Brexit tragedy once and for all?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-04/johnson-readies-for-more-defeats-in-parliament-brexit-update?srnd=premium-canada

 

josh

Not dead if the Johnson's Conservatives win an electoral majority.

NorthReport

This looks like the beginning of a very bad week for the new PM, eh!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49580185

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