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JKR wrote:

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JKR wrote:

With the Conservatives bungling up things for over 3 year years it’s hard to believe Labour isn’t ahead by at least a dozen percentage points! Instead the polls have Labour running back in second place at best! I can’t ever remember such an incompetent government placed with such an unpopular official opposition simultaneously in the UK or Canada.

Corbyn's only unpopular, at the moment, because he has been subjected to the most relentless campaign of coordinated lies, slanders, and hatred in the history of UK politics.

He has done nothing to deserve any of the vile accusations hurled against him

Solidarity with the people of Palestine is not, in any universe, antisemitism.

Support for a United Ireland and an end to violence through negotiations with Sinn Fein was never support for terrorism-and the nonviolent Catholic party in the North, the SDLP, supported-and continued to support-the goal of a United Ireland as well.

And the policy he has put forth on the EU question is a policy both the Remain and Leave wings of Labour should be able to live with, since it involves negotiations with the EU for a decent deal to get out and a second referendum after the election to give the voters the final say-which is the only way to GET a second referendum since the votes for it can never be found in the current parliament, as the repeated defeats for referendum bills prove.

Corbyn is an eloquent speaker, represents the socialist values virtually everyone in the party OTHER than the anti-Corbyn wing of the PLP holds, and was leading the Tories in the polls before the despicable false accusation campaign about antisemitism started.

If Corbyn is forced out, it sends the message that a decent person will never be allowed to lead the Labour Party.  There isno possible way that sending such a message can lead to the election of a Labour government or even Corbyn's replacement by anyone who isn't a Blairite.

So what if Labour loses the upcoming election very badly because it decides now to allow itself to be led in the election by a leader who continues to be very unpopular with the general public? Going into the upcoming election with such an unpopular leader is obviously very risky. To stand any chance Labour is now depending on Boris to implode, which is possible and the Liberal Democrats to not take advantage of the situation. I don’t think Labour should be taking such a risky path but many dyed in the wool socialists in the UK now seem to be rolling the dice and going for broke even if it means taking the risk that the UK lurch much farther to the right under yet another Conservative government without the constraints placed on the UK by the EU. People should remember that things could get worse for the working class in the UK if the Conservatives shape the UK’s post-Brexit political-economy.

It might be different if the PLP didn't have control over who gets on the leadership ballot through the antidemocratic "MP endorsement" requirement, and weren't bound and determined to use that control to make sure no one to the left of Yvonne Cooper would be allowed on the leadership ballot, and weren't almost certainly planning to only allow a single candidate on the ballot at all, as they did when Tony Blair's successor was chosen.

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If there is any chance to address this at the party conference, the MP nomination requirement should be abolished and replaced by, say, the signatures of 25,000 Labour members and supporters.   The MPs don't deserve any greater say in who is allowed to stand for the leadership than anyone else, especially since almost all of the current PLP are only MPs at all because Neil Kinnock or Tony Blair imposed them as candidates against the will of their own constituency parties.  The PLP is the Labour past, and is totally out of touch with the party and what it stands for now.

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Did the Queen & Bojo Conspire to Break UK Law? - Galloway

https://youtu.be/776WY6ygn6c

"The UK Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that PM Boris Johnson's prorogation of Parliament was unlawful. Former UK MP George Galloway weighs in."

NorthReport

This one is on Boris.

I'm no raw, raw monarchist, but let's leave our Class Act Queen Elizabeth, who is in her nineties, alone. 

NDPP

'Was a Parliament Ever So Discredited?'

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1176493121145901056

"MPs cannot agree on a Brexit plan between them. Yet they won't let us leave without a deal. They won't move a vote of no confidence; they won't agree to an election; and they support judges ruling on what are ultimately political decisions. Was a parliament ever do discredited?"

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NorthReport

What a sick freak the UK has for a prime minister.

PM branded a disgrace after saying best way to honour Jo Cox is to deliver Brexit

Boris Johnson’s reference to memory of murdered MP prompts gasps in Commons

 Outrage as Boris Johnson dismisses dangers of inflammatory language as 'humbug' - video

Boris Johnson has been branded a disgrace for dismissing pleas from Labour MPs to stop using inflammatory language in light of the murder of Jo Cox, telling one that it was “humbug” and another that the best way to honour her was to “get Brexit done”.

Johnson caused uproar in the House of Commons after he responded dismissively to Labour MP Paula Sherriff, who made a heartfelt speech calling on him to stop using language such as “surrender”, “traitor” and “betrayal” in relation to Brexit.

He also drew gasps when telling Labour’s Tracy Brabin, who was elected to Cox’s seat following the MP’s murder by a far-right extremist a week before the EU referendum, that “the best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox and to bring this country together is, I think, to get Brexit done”.

Before her death, Cox had campaigned to remain in the EU. Her widower, Brendan Cox, swiftly condemned the prime minister’s remarks, saying it had left him feeling sick.

Brendan Cox✔@MrBrendanCox

Feel a bit sick at Jo’s name being used in this way. The best way to honour Jo is for all of us (no matter our views) to stand up for what we believe in, passionately and with determination. But never to demonise the other side and always hold onto what we have in common.

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Johnson’s attitude was lambasted by Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, who called him a “disgrace” and Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP first minister, who said she felt “disgust watching Johnson”, describing him as “untrustworthy, craven, not a shred of concern for the consequences of his words or actions”. Dawn Butler, the shadow secretary for women and equalities, said his reaction showed that Johnson was “a cruel, uncaring, spoilt man”.

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Swinson revealed on Wednesday that she had reported to police a death threat against her young child.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit

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Mind-boggling that anyone supports the Leave policies of this devil-clown!

Johnson’s plan is to turn his supreme court humiliation into rocket fuel at the polls

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-brexit-supreme-court

NorthReport

Like it or not, Boris Johnson still has two paths to election victory

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-election-supreme-court

NDPP

The Tragedy of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/the-tragedy-of-jeremy-corbyn/

"He has betrayed left Euroscepticism. And for Remainers it's still not enough. If Labour wins the next election it will hold a second referendum. The choice would be between staying in the EU and 'leaving' via a tweaked version of Theresa May's withdrawal deal - that is, between Remain and Remain By Another Name.

Whoever wins that rigged referendum, Brexit would lose. This internal spat is over which flavour of betrayal to recommend to the electorate and when best to announce that preference..."

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

This one is on Boris.

I'm no raw, raw monarchist, but let's leave our Class Act Queen Elizabeth, who is in her nineties, alone. 

Indeed.  As Paul McCartney reminded us all, half-a-century ago, in this stirring patriotic anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Mh1hKt5kQ_4

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NDPP wrote:

The Tragedy of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/the-tragedy-of-jeremy-corbyn/

"He has betrayed left Euroscepticism. And for Remainers it's still not enough. If Labour wins the next election it will hold a second referendum. The choice would be between staying in the EU and 'leaving' via a tweaked version of Theresa May's withdrawal deal - that is, between Remain and Remain By Another Name.

Whoever wins that rigged referendum, Brexit would lose. This internal spat is over which flavour of betrayal to recommend to the electorate and when best to announce that preference..."

Corbyn is in a hopeless bind.  And anyone else in the Labour leadership would be as well.  No Labour leader can hold the party together if it goes either all-out Remain OR all-out "hard Brexit".

If Labour goes all out Remain, every Labour seat in the North and Northeast of England will be lost, perhaps permanently, to the Brexit Party.   If those seats are lost, a Labour victory is impossible-perhaps permanently.  The Brexit Party inevitably holds all of those seats for at least the next twenty years.  This is the real reason right-wing anti-Corbynites are obsessed with trying to make the party go officially all-out Remain and to force Corbyn to join the pointless, unwinnable push to force a referendum before the next general election.  Nobody who writes for the Guardian or is part of the PLP believes that there's even a "center-left" case for staying in the EU-and, by definition, staying in and accepting that the EU will always be exactly as it is now.  None of them believe the EU is good for workers or the poor

And if Corbyn went all-out "hard Brexit", he would lose huge numbers of voters to the Lib Dems-the party which has made the pointless Remain obsession its only core value.  If he didn't commit to the second referendum, he would have no way of holding Labour Remain voters at all.

That's why Corbyn has to take the stance he is taking now.  It's the only stance that has any possible chance of holding Labour together at all.

It's not a betrayal-it's what has to be done to give Labour any chance of getting through this situation.  The only chance there is for the UK getting to socialism is for Labour not to implode.  Nothing left would be created from Labour splintering on the EU question-there's no chance that the death of the Labour Party can ever lead to the emergence of a strong party whose policies would be to Labour's left.  And it's delusional to think a socialist resistance could even exist if the next election saw the Tories winning a majority of 150 with 32% of the vote-something that is a real possibility at the moment.

 

JKR

 

Ken Burch wrote:

Corbyn is in a hopeless bind.  And anyone else in the Labour leadership would be as well.  No Labour leader can hold the party together if it goes either all-out Remain OR all-out "hard Brexit".

If Labour goes all out Remain, every Labour seat in the North and Northeast of England will be lost, perhaps permanently, to the Brexit Party.   If those seats are lost, a Labour victory is impossible-perhaps permanently.  The Brexit Party inevitably holds all of those seats for at least the next twenty years.  This is the real reason right-wing anti-Corbynites are obsessed with trying to make the party go officially all-out Remain and to force Corbyn to join the pointless, unwinnable push to force a referendum before the next general election.  Nobody who writes for the Guardian or is part of the PLP believes that there's even a "center-left" case for staying in the EU-and, by definition, staying in and accepting that the EU will always be exactly as it is now.  None of them believe the EU is good for workers or the poor

And if Corbyn went all-out "hard Brexit", he would lose huge numbers of voters to the Lib Dems-the party which has made the pointless Remain obsession its only core value.  If he didn't commit to the second referendum, he would have no way of holding Labour Remain voters at all.

That's why Corbyn has to take the stance he is taking now.  It's the only stance that has any possible chance of holding Labour together at all.

It's not a betrayal-it's what has to be done to give Labour any chance of getting through this situation.  The only chance there is for the UK getting to socialism is for Labour not to implode.  Nothing left would be created from Labour splintering on the EU question-there's no chance that the death of the Labour Party can ever lead to the emergence of a strong party whose policies would be to Labour's left.  And it's delusional to think a socialist resistance could even exist if the next election saw the Tories winning a majority of 150 with 32% of the vote-something that is a real possibility at the moment.

I think this is a very good summary of the current situation Labour and the UK are in. To give Labour a better chance of winning the next election I think Corbyn would step down as leader if he knew he would be replaced by another socialist but he probably can’t see how that can be likely accomplished so he’s hanging on and hoping for the best in the upcoming election.

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JKR wrote:

To give Labour a better chance of winning the next election I think Corbyn would step down as leader if he knew he would be replaced by another socialist but he probably can’t see how that can be likely accomplished so he’s hanging on and hoping for the best in the upcoming election.

I agree.

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Michael Moriarity wrote:

JKR wrote:

To give Labour a better chance of winning the next election I think Corbyn would step down as leader if he knew he would be replaced by another socialist but he probably can’t see how that can be likely accomplished so he’s hanging on and hoping for the best in the upcoming election.

I agree.

As do I.  If the PLP were punshing for Corbyn's resignation out of any actual interest in winning the next election, they would accept that a replacement for Corbyn must continue Corbyn's policies, they would accept that the push to drive Corbyn's supporters out of the party must stop and that those supporters must be accepted as a legitimate component of the Labour base, they would agree not to treat a Corbynite replacement for Corbyn with anything like the relentless, corrosive disrespect they flung at Corbyn, and they would accept Open Selection for all sitting MPs as a permanent feature of the way Labour does things.

 

NDPP

Elites Trying to Wreck Brexit With More Delays - Galloway

https://youtu.be/31EAkhVykjg

"...It has the potential to destroy democracy in the UK. If you rob 17 1/2 million people of their votes, of the fruits of the victory that they won, why should they have any trust in the political system, in 'democracy', in the future? Democracy is a fragile flower there are alternatives and other systems available. And I'm afraid our political class has been absolutely reckless about this in the last three years. This bill gives the EU the power to decide how long an extension might be. It might be forever, it gives the power to the EU..."

contrarianna

NDPP wrote:

The Tragedy of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/the-tragedy-of-jeremy-corbyn/

"He has betrayed left Euroscepticism....

Here is what "Eurosepticism" looks like in the real world, not the fantasy "independence of the British worker" construct of the Koch-fronted, climate change denying Spiked-Online:

(Koch Industries is one of many foreign and domestic plutoocratic funders of Brexit, no doubt because they cherish freedom):

Craig Murray:

Johnson Enters Neo-Con Heaven 

There has been remarkably little media commentary on the effect of the UK leaving the EU Common Foreign Policy, even though this is a major aim of Johnson, Gove and the Tory Brexiteers. The media appear not to have noticed the existence of the Common Foreign Policy. We saw perhaps the first public glimpse of the UK’s new foreign policy yesterday when Boris Johnson breached the EU Common Foreign Policy to join Donald Trump in denouncing the Iran nuclear treaty. As the UK has not actually left the EU yet, that was bad faith and an illegal act against an EU treaty obligation, but following the law is evidently of no concern whatsoever to Johnson.....

Of recent years EU foreign policy has been fairly characterised as neo-con, though it has rowed back somewhat from the high water mark of endorsement of the destruction of Libya. But freed from common positions on Iran, Russia, Syria and issues such as climate change, we are going to see a much more full-on neo-con approach from the UK – and one which, as now over Iran, is openly allied with the USA and against Europe. Some of the things Johnson said about the Iran nuclear deal on Monday in New York were jaw-dropping even by Johnson’s standards. “I think there’s one guy who can do a better deal and one guy who understands how to get a difficult partner like Iran over the line and that is the president of the United States,” is but one example....

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/johnson-enters-neo-con-h...

I am also well aware there also many corporate neolib funders for remain and the status quo business arrangements. But rather than a simple "Your sides bad"  "No your sides bad" which seem to be the  bulk of political discourse on rabble and the self-promoting media. The reality is that both sides bring ugly wins for (sometimes) different neoliberal masters.  For me, and I have changed my opinion on this from a year ago, Brexit expecially a hard Brexit will be far worse for the planet.

NDPP

Referendum on the United Kingdom's Membership of the European Union:

'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?'

A majority decided to leave. The matter is decided. The rest is subversion.

NorthReport
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contrarianna wrote:

NDPP wrote:

The Tragedy of Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/24/the-tragedy-of-jeremy-corbyn/

"He has betrayed left Euroscepticism....

Here is what "Eurosepticism" looks like in the real world, not the fantasy "independence of the British worker" construct of the Koch-fronted, climate change denying Spiked-Online:

(Koch Industries is one of many foreign and domestic plutoocratic funders of Brexit, no doubt because they cherish freedom):

Craig Murray:

Johnson Enters Neo-Con Heaven 

There has been remarkably little media commentary on the effect of the UK leaving the EU Common Foreign Policy, even though this is a major aim of Johnson, Gove and the Tory Brexiteers. The media appear not to have noticed the existence of the Common Foreign Policy. We saw perhaps the first public glimpse of the UK’s new foreign policy yesterday when Boris Johnson breached the EU Common Foreign Policy to join Donald Trump in denouncing the Iran nuclear treaty. As the UK has not actually left the EU yet, that was bad faith and an illegal act against an EU treaty obligation, but following the law is evidently of no concern whatsoever to Johnson.....

Of recent years EU foreign policy has been fairly characterised as neo-con, though it has rowed back somewhat from the high water mark of endorsement of the destruction of Libya. But freed from common positions on Iran, Russia, Syria and issues such as climate change, we are going to see a much more full-on neo-con approach from the UK – and one which, as now over Iran, is openly allied with the USA and against Europe. Some of the things Johnson said about the Iran nuclear deal on Monday in New York were jaw-dropping even by Johnson’s standards. “I think there’s one guy who can do a better deal and one guy who understands how to get a difficult partner like Iran over the line and that is the president of the United States,” is but one example....

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/johnson-enters-neo-con-h...

I am also well aware there also many corporate neolib funders for remain and the status quo business arrangements. But rather than a simple "Your sides bad"  "No your sides bad" which seem to be the  bulk of political discourse on rabble and the self-promoting media. The reality is that both sides bring ugly wins for (sometimes) different neoliberal masters.  For me, and I have changed my opinion on this from a year ago, Brexit expecially a hard Brexit will be far worse for the planet.

I don't disagree with you that there are bad actors on both sides of this.  That's why I support soft Brexit-which would get the UK out of the EU's economic and spending constraints without disrupting things which don't need to be disrupted and without going into total chaos.   Brexit shouldn't have to mean, for example, getting out of the European Court of Human Rights and making the immigration situation WORSE.   The first act of a post-Brexit government should be the passage of a humane and decent Immigration and Refugee Act which would actually do what the EU immigration policies were meant to do but never fully managed.

Those who still want to fight for Remain-other than the right-wing neoliberals in the LibDem party, a party which now has, for all practical purposes, no meaningful differences with the Tories OTHER than on Europe, who will never care about reforming the EU in any meaningful sense because the LibDems back the EU for the SAKE of backing the EU-need to present, IMMEDIATELY, a program for radical EU reform and a strategy for achieving it, something nobody on the hard Remain has even come close to offering yet.   It's not reasonable to expect the working and kept-from-working poor to back an institution which has little other effect on their lives other than to force wages and social benefits to be cut and cut and cut.

 

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NDPP

"Spoke with a 22-year old this evening. He voted for the first and only time in the referendum. Voted Leave. Said to me: 'if they overturn Brexit, I won't vote again. What would be the point?" Our establishment has much to answer for."

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1176976674589696000

NorthReport

So Quebec can have as many referendums as it wants but the UK can only have one according to your way of thinking

NorthReport

Sorry Ken but you are are the wrong side of this Brexit issue. You have been from the beginning and you continue to be. Your approach will destroy any hope whatsoever for the working class in the UK.

The Tories used to worry about being the nasty party. Now they’re making Britain a difficult country to like

Europe isn’t the enemy – demonising us is undermining Britain

 

The UK now seems to be the country whose government lies about nonexistent negotiations with the EU while threatening to renege on its outstanding financial obligations – often misrepresented as the “divorce bill”. It’s the country whose leader of the House of Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, threatened to sabotage the EU from within if Brexit was postponed. It’s the country, too, whose last prime minister (the aforementioned May) threatened to stop cooperating with the EU on terrorism, inspiring the Sun front-page headline: “Your money or your lives”. The country whose former Conservative leader Michael Howard talked up war with Spain over Gibraltar. Whose cabinet minister Priti Patel suggested threatening the people of Ireland with starvation. Whose foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt likened the EU to the Soviet Union and whose current prime minister compared it to the Nazis.

This is just a small sample of the nastiness now being shown towards the EU and to other Europeans by Britain’s mainstream political leaders and cabinet ministers. What comes out of the mouths of some backbench Tory MPs and Brexit party MEPs is so vile it would pollute a sewer. And then there is the far-right-billionaire-owned press.

The dominant four newspapers in Britain by circulation are the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Sun on Sunday and the Mail on Sunday, with the more measured but equally pro-Brexit Sunday Times coming in fifth. Each of these publications has been brainwashing its readers with fake news about the EU for years – in some cases, decades – while building up pro-Brexit politicians and stoking divisions. Terms such as “betrayal”, “surrender”, “plots by traitors” and “enemies of the people” are on the front pages routinely. The top 10 British papers by paid circulation does not feature any pro-European newspaper, unless you count the Daily Mirror. It does feature Boris Johnson’s mouthpiece, the Daily Telegraph, and the triumphantly nasty Daily Star. It is a depressing tally, scarcely improved by knowing how many people rely on social media for their news.

Section of the Daily Mail front page, 4 November 2016.

 

 ‘Building up pro-Brexit politicians and stoking divisions.’ Section of the Daily Mail front page, 4 November 2016. Photograph: Daily Mail

 

But of course the Britain that most democratic Europeans love, the Britain of say, the doughty supreme court justice Lady Hale, still exists. Yet the terrible truth is that this progressive side of Britain, the side that stands in such sharp contrast to the illiberal authoritarianism that Hungary and Poland have given in to, is in deep disarray. It has almost zero political representation. And there are few signs this is about to change. The Liberal Democrats and Greens are powerless under the country’s outdated first-past-the-post electoral system, while the Labour party is led by someone who campaigned for the leadership on the promise of straight talking, then obfuscated about Brexit from the moment he got the job.

The Tory party has elected the most callous, ruthless, mendacious and superficial politician in living memory as its leader and thereby prime minister. According to the polls this deeply nasty man is easily the most popular politician in the country.

Boris Johnson ‘whipping up riot fears to avoid Brexit extension’

It remains essential for other Europeans to distinguish between the rightwing papers and politicians that whip up hatred in Britain, and the rest of the country. As somebody who has lived in Britain, I know how tolerant and plural it can be. Neither is this a call for EU leaders to boot the UK out by refusing any request for an extension and forcing a no-deal exit by 31 October.

The EU needs to protect Ireland and make sure that if the UK opts for the no-deal disaster so many of its mainstream leaders and publications crave, it is clear to the rest of the world who is to blame. Because Brexit is something that the UK is doing to its European neighbours, not the other way around.

For years now a decisive segment of the British establishment and electorate has been poisoning itself with lies, delusions and the demonisation of everyone with a different opinion about membership of the EU. These people want to throw themselves off a cliff and take their country with them. It is a deeply painful process to follow, especially for those who know that a different Britain is possible. Alas, the EU cannot save a country that does not want to save itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/29/europe-isnt-enemy-undermining-britain-tories-nasty-party

NorthReport
JKR

NDPP wrote:

"Spoke with a 22-year old this evening. He voted for the first and only time in the referendum. Voted Leave. Said to me: 'if they overturn Brexit, I won't vote again. What would be the point?" Our establishment has much to answer for."

He’ll still get the chance to vote for Boris or Nigel in the upcoming election if he wants to support a no-deal Brexit that’s always been opposed to by the majority of UK’ers. If Boris and Nigel want a no-deal Brexit they shouldn’t have told UK’ers during the referendum that it would be very easy for the UK to get a great deal from the EU. As it turns out Boris and Nigel are conmen that have left the UK in a very difficult position. If Boris and Nigel want to lead the UK into a no-deal Brexit there should be a referendum where UK’ers can decide if they want a no-deal Brexit. I don’t think even master conmen like Boris and Nigel could con the UK into a no-deal Brexit.

NorthReport
NDPP

George Galloway - The Mother of All Talk Shows - Episode 15 (and vid)

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1178367962165604352

"If Margaret Beckett becomes Prime Minister I have no compunction describing that as a coup. It's a coup against the British people. It's a coup against democracy. It will destroy the Labour Party. It would be a coup I would oppose with every breath in my body...

In the 25 months between the US sponsored coup which overthrew the government in Ukraine sent the elected president packing, set the Parliament on fire, Joe Biden visited the Ukraine 13 times, that is more than once every two months. I don't think he went there for the dancing girls or the chicken Kiev. [But for] his son Hunter Biden days after being dishonourably discharged from the US military for a crack cocaine offence..."

 

NorthReport

Looks like Boris is secretly negotiating, eh!

Boris Johnson news - live: PM 'will be dismissed by Queen' if he refuses to request Brexit delay after failing to get deal, as government hints at secret plan

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-latest-brexit-today-no-deal-general-election-a9125916.html

NDPP

This 'secret plan...?'

"I have bad news for Remainers. It is possible, de jure [in law], that we have already left the EU. Apparently the extension by Theresa May could well have been unlawful. If true it would surely qualify as a supreme irony and the final nail in the anti-democratic People's Vote campaign."

https://twitter.com/damian_from/status/1178307645238841345

NorthReport

 - more Russian talking points?

NDPP

Who knew?!! And here I thought it was Labour Damian from Brighton...

NDPP

The Full Brexit: A Public Discussion (and podcast)

https://twitter.com/tfbrexit/status/1178019540841697281

"Here's the recording..."

 

Debated Podcasts: Lexit With Lee Jones

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/debated-podcast/id1462576136

"In this episode we are joined by Lee Jones from The Full Brexit website where we discuss the left wing case for Brexit (Lexit) and Labour's position on Brexit more generally."

NDPP

This Would Be A Government Of National Betrayal

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/29/this-would-be-a-government-of-n...

"That the political class is casually chatting about taking such a drastic, emergency, anti-democratic measure as setting up an unelected government to stop Brexit is the most worrying sign of the times yet..."

That Canadian 'progressives' would support it is another.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

This Would Be A Government Of National Betrayal

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/29/this-would-be-a-government-of-n...

"That the political class is casually chatting about taking such a drastic, emergency, anti-democratic measure as setting up an unelected government to stop Brexit is the most worrying sign of the times yet..."

That Canadian 'progressives' would support it is another.

What drivel. British voters elect MPs, not a government. If the MPs decide to change the government, and Her Majesty agrees, that is the normal course of parliamentary procedure. The writer doesn't agree with the aims of those MPs who plan to oust Johnson, so he pretends, without even a fig leaf of justification, that this is some sort of danger to democracy. Pure trash.

NorthReport

Why can't Johnson just call an election? Is it because it is too close to the previous election and the opposition parties might be given a chance to try governing before another election is called?  

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Why can't Johnson just call an election? Is it because it is too close to the previous election and the opposition parties might be given a chance to try governing before another election is called?  

Under the UK's Fixed-Term Parliaments Act 2011, early elections can ONLY be called if a motion of no-confidence in the government is passed by the House of Commons OR if a two-thirds majority of the House agrees to early elections.  

Boris would pretty much have to lose a vote of no-confidence on purpose to be able to get an early election, and it's unlikely the opposition parties would introduce such a motion if the polls showed the Tories with a solid lead in the polls.

NorthReport

Thanks Ken

NDPP

'Majority of Labour Leave Voters, More Than 2 Million Voters, Now Prefer A Boris Johnson Led Government. The Vast Majority of Lab Remainers & Lib Dems Prefer A Corbyn-Led Government. This Crushes Previous Claims Labour Leavers Were Soft on Leave.'

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1179023918407077889

"As I warned repeatedly (& got some flak for doing so) Labour simply cannot afford to ignore its Leave voters if it wants to win power. A 2nd ref with Remain as an option has led to most Labour Leave voters now preferring Boris Johnson. Well done to the architects of this policy."

 

WATCH: 'Parliament is Debating Agricultural Regulations Relating To Brexit,'

https://twitter.com/CamillaTominey/status/1179171738741100545

"Don't prorogue, we want to debate Brexit even more, they said...Where are they all?"

Compromised.

NDPP

'People Desperately Want Their Vote To Matter' (and podcast)

https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/people-desperately-want-th...

"Maverick Labour MP Kate Hoey joins spiked's editor for the latest episode of the Brendan O'Neil Show. They discuss the left-wing case for Leave, Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit betrayal and Labour's disconnect from its working-class heartlands."

 

"We never dreamed the EU would set away with such an outrage with the 'mother of parliament'. And yet, with the connivance of parliament and the media, that's exactly what's being lined up - an unelected government to enforce EU hegemony and crush a referendum."

https://twitter.com/labourleave/status/1178991417647144960

 

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Here's an interesting video from Double Down News about the hedge fund managers who stand to make billions of pounds on a no-deal brexit, who have also heavily backed Boris Johnson, and seem to have heavily influenced his parliamentary tactics as well.

NDPP

After Brexit, Labour Friend of Israel Launches Coup Against Corbyn

https://twitter.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1179020736972894209

"Vote of no confidence planned for Tuesday. Periodic reminder that it was Margaret 'fucking antisemite' Hodge who triggered the failed 2016 coup against Jeremy Corbyn."

nicky

That story is from June 2016, NDPP

why are you raising it now?

ad for the slud that Hodge is anti/semetic.  Dudnt you know that she is Jewush?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

nicky wrote:

That story is from June 2016, NDPP

why are you raising it now?

ad for the slud that Hodge is anti/semetic.  Dudnt you know that she is Jewush?

NDPP wasn't saying that Hodge is antisemitic-though there may be grounds for saying that, in that she called a Chasidic man a "second-rate Jew" over his opposition to her hate campaign against Corbyn-he was referencing the despicable moment when, in the chamber of the House of Commons, with people watching, she called Corbyn a "fucking antisemite".  Since even you have admitted that Corbyn himself isn't antisemitic and did nothing at all to deserve those hateful words being flung in his face, I assume you'd agree that what Hodge did there was inexcusable.

What she did at that moment was grounds for expulsion-she was "bringing the party into disrepute" by subjecting its leader to a totally unjustified public humiliation-and she would have been expelled or at least severly disciplined had it not been for the fact that Corbyn knew that doing so would be unjustly used against him.

And again, nicky, Corbyn was fine with adding every part of the IHRA "guidelines and examples" of antisemitism except for those intended to make it impossible to publicly criticize the Israeli government.  Given that criticism of a government is never an expression of hatred of a people, an ethinicity, or a race, would you agree that there was never any justification for trying to force Corbyn and the Labour Party to extend the definition to comments that were never anything but fair comment on the issues of the day?

NDPP

Yes, I know. Winstanley's tweet is current and a worthy 'Periodic reminder.'

NorthReport
Sean in Ottawa

I am watching the discussion of the Irish border and Brexit with some mystification at the arrogance of the UK government.

Let us assume that the UK is going to proceed with Brexit. Let us strip away the garbage to recognize that there are only two real possibilities: border in the Irish Sea or land Border between Eire and NI.

If the UK government respects that NI is in the UK, and respects that the impacts are more to NI, and that the NI had considerable concern about Brexit and did not support it, or if the UK respected ANY of the Irish at all - including those they  are governing then solution is not as complicated as the English are pretending.

The choice of where the border should be ought be put to a vote of the people of NI. Let them decide, not the people in London, if they want to be in the EU zone or in the UK zone. They can still have a relationship with the UK in either case. Rule by London at this moment is nothing but arrogant and imperial. This is exactly how the UK lost the republic of Ireland and it is exactly how they will lose the rest. English people are too dim to realize tha tthe Irish - at the least the ones the are ruling - should decide where the border lies.

I suspect that Europe would grudging accept whatever border strategy NI wanted. they are disinclined to accept one being forced on them and the South. there is an argument to tkae the opinion of NI only as theya re in the UK but there is no excuse to over-rule NI residents and decide this from London.

And yes, this deserves to kill Brexit. It also deserves to kill the UK itself. It indicates that the English still want to dominate and rull NI like a colony. At some point the DUP must face the people who must takes stock of what all this means and decide if they want to be a country or a colony.

NorthReport

Could the Irish pull this off?

The sooner they get out from under the British thumb the better

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.cp24.com/world/2019/10/4/1_4623806.html

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

Could the Irish pull this off?

The sooner they get out from under the British thumb the better

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.cp24.com/world/2019/10/4/1_4623806.html

Not this way. People like Adams have to shut up becuase when he talks the majority will want to run away.

The project is unlikely now becuase of the fragility people there will oppose anything with risk: including Brexit and including reunification. Reunification is likely a path they will follow but any attempts to make it come faster will only delay it.

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