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Michelle

Why on earth would Netanyahu be in trouble if Obama were to win a second term?

I think that article is overly optimistic about what Obama would do in the middle east if he got a second term.  He's spent the last four years capitulating to Repugnicans.  I doubt he'll stop during his second term.

NDPP

Hart is of the opinion that Obama isn't onside with whatever Israel wants. I rather tend to agree with you.

DaveW

knownothing wrote:

 How can you so happily support Obama, who has simply continued the work that Bush did?

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How can you call yourself a social democrat while you defend millionaires who erode civil liberties and kill thousands of civilians?

 

 very very sorry,

 it was only recently that I was informed it is you who officially attributes the title "social democrat" on people ...

 in serious matters:

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 Obama deserves to be judged by ordinary human standards, not by standards of perfection. A sidebar to Glastris' piece lists Obama's top 50 accomplishments, and I think it was a mistake to create a list so long. It ends up looking like the usual boring laundry list that any president can trumpet. Better to pare it down to 10 really top achievements in order to highlight how many truly major accomplishments Obama has been responsible for. So I did. Except I couldn't get there. I cut it down to 13 and got stuck. Here they are, in the same order as the original Washington Monthly list:

1. Passed Health Care Reform
2. Passed the Stimulus
3. Passed Wall Street Reform
4. Ended the War in Iraq
6. Eliminated Osama bin Laden
7. Turned Around US Auto Industry
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
18. Passed Mini Stimuli (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011)
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
27. Achieved New START Treaty

These are all big deals. Big fucking deals, to quote our vice president. Unless you're just bound and determined to sulk in your tent while insisting that health care was a sellout and the stimulus was too small and Dodd-Frank was feeble and the mini stimuli were more like micro stimuli, there's just no way around the fact that this is a historically colossal set of progressive accomplishments, especially in the face of a historically hostile political environment.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

DaveW wrote:

knownothing wrote:

 How can you so happily support Obama, who has simply continued the work that Bush did? Are you so partisan that you can't see they are the same thing. I was in a buffet line at an NDP event last week and this guy was defending Obama, saying he wasnt that rich. I had to say something. In 2010 Obama's net worth was 7.8 million.

How can you call yourself a social democrat while you defend millionaires who erode civil liberties and kill thousands of civilians?

 

 

very very sorry, it was only recently that I was informed it was you who officially attributes the title "social democrat" on people...

 

 Obama deserves to be judged by ordinary human standards, not by standards of perfection. A sidebar to Glastris' piece lists Obama's top 50 accomplishments, and I think it was a mistake to create a list so long. It ends up looking like the usual boring laundry list that any president can trumpet. Better to pare it down to 10 really top achievements in order to highlight how many truly major accomplishments Obama has been responsible for. So I did. Except I couldn't get there. I cut it down to 13 and got stuck. Here they are, in the same order as the original Washington Monthly list:

1. Passed Health Care Reform
2. Passed the Stimulus
3. Passed Wall Street Reform
4. Ended the War in Iraq
6. Eliminated Osama bin Laden
7. Turned Around US Auto Industry
9. Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards
18. Passed Mini Stimuli (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011)
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants
27. Achieved New START Treaty

These are all big deals. Big fucking deals, to quote our vice president. Unless you're just bound and determined to sulk in your tent while insisting that health care was a sellout and the stimulus was too small and Dodd-Frank was feeble and the mini stimuli were more like micro stimuli, there's just no way around the fact that this is a historically colossal set of progressive accomplishments, especially in the face of a historically hostile political environment.

"Reversed Bush torture policies?"

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Michelle

Health care reform, you say?  Wow, that sounds great.  

That makes it sound like he didn't completely capitulate on the public option, and that he didn't give a huge gift to private insurers by forcing everyone to buy an inferior private insurance plan. 

Manic Wombat Manic Wombat's picture

Did you actually read the "Wall Street Reform" bill? It's another handout to the banks in disguise. Look up Newspeak ... you're a little behind.

Ended the war in Iraq? Ever heard of private military companies? Iraq is now controlled by them and various oil companies. I'm sure the Iraqi people are jumping with joy.

Officially "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" has been repealed... but how does that actually look on the ground? Did he magically erase the homophobia that's  endemic in military environments? But never mind that... we've got a couple snapshots of some pretty lesbian couples kissing in uniform from the Ministry of Truth. All is well.

No, no, no ... all of those are either BS or teeny little nothings meant to appease his base so he'll get re-elected. Which he will...

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