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NDPP

The CENTCOM-EUCOM fight continues. CENTCOM dislikes al-Qaeda in Idlib. EUCOM likes Turkey and sees its Idleb gangs as friendlies (and vid)

https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1230518140888649728

 

US/NATO General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned: Seven Countries in Five Years (and vid)

https://youtu.be/FNt7s_Wed_4

"This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off with Iran..."

NorthReport

300,000?

NorthReport

400,000?

NDPP

'NATO is a Family of Common Values: Turkey is NATO!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/MaxAbrams/status/1230534082192343041

"Nothing says NATO values like backing Al Qaeda in Syria, helping ISIS stream into the neighborhood Caliphate and rounding up journalists for doing their jobs."

JKR

NorthReport wrote:
400,000?

According to the wiki page 380,000 - 585,000 have been killed, 7,600,000 have been internally displaced, and 5,110,000 are refugees. All this in a country with a population of just 21,000,000 in 2010 and a population of just 17,000,000 in 2019.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria

contrarianna

JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:
400,000?

According to the wiki page 380,000 - 585,000 have been killed, 7,600,000 have been internally displaced, and 5,110,000 are refugees. All this in a country with a population of just 21,000,000 in 2010 and a population of just 17,000,000 in 2019.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria

This is a meaningless if it is meant solely as an anti-Assad illustration. With or without Assad's brutality (as one of the few world dictators the US doesn't support) civil wars and proxy wars result in massive casualties irrespective of leadership.

Assad is no Lincoln but under Lincoln 625,000 died about 2% of the US population, more than it lost in 1st and 2nd WW's combined.

Without the support of the US and its middle east allies, and the influx of jihadists as a the result of the US from its previous destructions of Iraq, Libya (with massive and continuing death, misery and chaos) including creation of Al Qaeda from the jihadists it recruited in its anti-Soviet Afghanistan war (also in continuing chaos and death) the situation would be far different.

As a pure civil war it would have been over very quickly with a fraction of the death and destruction that it is now experiencing. The original civil protests (which had many legitimate grievances against Assad) were violently suppressed, as has happened repeatedly in US-sponsored dictatorships with nary a whisper of "humanitarian intervention".  As a state not in the fold of US repressive regimes, the US and its allies have intervened resulting in the current body count, destruction, as is the typical US regime change pattern. Russia forces entered Syria 4 years after the start at the invitation of the Syrian government.

NDPP

Not Since World War One Have the Turks Been Defeated on a Middle Eastern Battlefield - Erdogan Calling Putin...

https://twitter.com/bears_with/status/1231838776416231424

"The Russian and Syrian general staffs and their men have been doing to the Turks what no one has achieved in the Middle East since 1917. So the Sultan has called the Tsar - three times this month so far; in January, once by telephone, twice in face-to-face meetings, and twice by telephone in December. Every time the telephone rings, it is, as the Kremlin communique doesn't fail to mention, 'at the Turkish side's initiative'...

Erdogan has miscalculated his ability to hold on to Idlib, and as the scale of his defeat has materialized, he has become hysterical. The loss of Idlib city and most of the province would be a strategic defeat for Erdogan, but he doesn't know where to draw a red-line his troops can defend. It is unlikely that Turkey will be ready to expel Assad's troops from their positions on a large scale as Erdogan threatens. Most likely, this means the Turks will react more harshly to Assad's attempts to move forward...

NDPP

The Threat Of A Russia-Turkey-NATO Hot War Over Idlib Is A Godsend For US Foreign Policy

https://on.rt.com/abu3

"Turkey is calling for NATO's protection after 33 of its soldiers were killed in an apparent Syrian airstrike in Idlib, allegedly while fighting in terrorist ranks. In the regional chaos that ensues, only one player stands to gain. Speculation over what's to come next has seen #article 5 trending on Twitter in the hours following the attacks, after Omer Celik, spokesman for Turkey's ruling AKP party, indicated to reporters in Ankara that he was looking at requesting formal NATO protection against Damascus and, by proxy, the Russian air force.

'We call on NATO to start consultations. This is not [an attack] on Turkey only, it is an attack on the international community. A common reaction is needed. The attack was also against NATO,' Celik told Turkish media. Article 5 of the NATO treaty says an attack on one is an attack on them all. The State Department also condemned the attacks, stating that it stands by its 'NATO ally Turkey..."

 

Syrian Refugees Run Towards European Border as Turkey Will No Longer Stop Them

https://youtu.be/w8KX2uNtEAY

"Turkey will not longer stop Syrian refugees from reaching Europe, announced a senior Turkish official on Friday, after 33 Turkish soldiers were killed in Idlib and as the country is facing the possibility of a new wave of refugees..."

NDPP

The Salafist Roots of the Syrian Uprising

https://t.co/I1iLYWKrEK?amp=1

"Salafist activists and militants played a key role from the beginning of the uprising, while launching an armed insurrection against the Syrian state. Salafist activists and militants viewed the 2011 uprising as a chance to reignite the 1979-1982 war against the Syrian government, which they viewed as a heretical, 'Alawite-led regime', in hopes  of erecting a fundamentalist relying state in its place. This desire of the Salafists to topple the Syrian government aligned with the goals of US intelligence. US planners sought regime change in Syria to weaken Iran...."

NDPP

Syria: Will the Great Middle East War Begin in the Levant?

https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1269346801578115072

"In parallel with America's implosion due to domestic protests caused by deep-rooted racism and injustice, in the Middle East other fronts are taking shape in the shadows, to prevent war or to trigger a wider military confrontation. A likely front is the Levant..."

NDPP

NYT: 'Sadistic and Vile'

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1272557231565922304

"The New York Times imperial scribe, who has spent years pushing regime change propaganda, is now gloating over the fact that criminal US sanctions have destroyed the Syrian economy and will likely kill thousands of citizens."

Canadian sanctions killing Syrians too. But we love White Helmets.

NDPP

Crippling New Sanctions Punish Syrian Civilians for US Defeat in Proxy War (and vid)

https://twitter.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1274361943072129025

"As Syria tries to recover from a nearly decade-long war, the US has imposed crippling new sanctions under the Caesar Act that target reconstruction."

NDPP

"Israel bombed Syria yet again, killing and wounding those on the front lines fighting terrorism in Sweida and Deir Ezzor. As usual the world watches in silence. And as usual, there won't be any consequences let along condemnation from the so-called international community."

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1275540584984449025

Least of all US vassal Ottawa that sanctions Syria, supports  regime-change,White Helmets (Al Qaeda) and whatever Apartheid Israel decides is best for it.

NDPP

"It's clear what the US govt's strategy is: a criminal medieval siege of Syria in combination with economic warfare on Lebanon, which is causing both countries' economies to collapse. In Syria the US still wants regime change; in Lebanon it wants to force Hezbollah out of the government."

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1280254866665897986

And all this, plus 'annexation' plan, for Apartheid Israel. Canada supports it all.

NDPP

Eva Bartlett: US Sanctions Are Part of a Multi-Front War on Syia, and its Long Suffering Civilians Are the Main Target

https://on.rt.com/aln9

"...Currencies are devalued and inflated when sanctions are levied. Countries are pressured to stop doing  business with targeted countries. Sanctions violate international law, the UN Charter, Geneva and Nuremberg conventions because they target civilians by economic strangulation, creating famines, life-threatening shortages and economic chaos. So you have Western hypocritical talking heads pretending they want to get aid to Syrian civilians while literally cutting them off from medicine and the ability to purchase food..."

 

Media Conceal - Or Celebrate - Depriving Syrians of Food and Medicine

https://twitter.com/GregShupak/status/1283181557700861952

"American sanctions - alongside Canada - and EU sanctions - are depriving people in Syria of food and medicine with the media's passive and active support. My latest for FAIR media-watch."

Canada starving  Syrians -  politicians and msm silent.

NDPP

Did Trump Bomb Syria on False Grounds?

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/opcw-leaks-syria/

"The American media is ignoring leaks from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons that suggest a whitewash..."

NDPP

Syrian Mercenaries Flee to Europe via Libya (and vid)

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1287329657633693696

"Many hundreds of Syrian mercenaries contracted by [NATO] Turkey's Erdogan to fight for the sectarian Muslim Brotherhood in Libya have fled to Europe..."

And Canada took in their 'White Helmets' Al Qaeda bretheren.

NDPP

US Oil Company Signs Deal With Syrian Kurds

https://t.co/z984HpyRim?amp=1

Kurds help US steal Syria's oil.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

US Oil Company Signs Deal With Syrian Kurds

https://t.co/z984HpyRim?amp=1

Kurds help US steal Syria's oil.

Why would you call it Syrian oil, rather than Kurdish oil, since the Kurds are natives of the area and have control of the land?

NDPP

 Despite Donald Trump's repeated statements 'we're keeping the oil,'  might makes right or certain relentlessly promoted claims of 'Rojava' neither Trump nor the West's  Kurdish proxies have any right to take oil or facilities belonging to and sitting within the sovereign, internationally recognized territory of the Syrian Arab Republic. Moreover, all attempts by Damascus to negotiate a reasonable solution to this present problem with Kurdish representatives have come to nought chiefly because of the hostile overriding agenda of Washington, Tel Aviv etc. Perhaps this will help with some of the missing bits necessary for a better understanding.

Thousands of Arabs Driven Out By Kurds' Ethnic Cleansing (2015)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-arabs-driven-out-by-kurd...

"Thousands of civilians have fled their homes in northern Syria as Kurdish forces carry out what appears to be a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Sunni Arabs..."

 

"...The SDF is not the benevolent force in the region that they are often portrayed to be in the western media, which along with the US Coalition [including Canada] has attempted to mold them into a 'democratic' alternative autonomy to Damascus. They have played an important role in furthering the US Coalition's plan to balkanize Syria and they are pivotal to US and Israeli plans to occupy the territory east of the Euphrates, the nation's bread and oil basket..."

As Syria Struggles Under COVID-19 Lockdown, America's Scorched Earth Policy Ensures Food Insecurity

https://www.syriahr.com/en/174938

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

It sounds to me as if this is a complicated question, with no simple answer, no matter how much each faction might wish for their own version to be true.

NDPP

Aggravated Robbery of Syrian Resources

https://www.marktaliano.net/aggravated-robbery-of-syrian-resources-by-ba...

"It is a deal between two thieves: The first one steals Syrian oil, while the second one buys it from the first..."

 

The Clandestine War in Deir ez Zor Heats Up

https://www.marktaliano.net/the-clandestine-war-in-deir-ez-zor-heats-up-...

"The US has been secretly visiting tribal leaders in an effort to create a new tribal council with the aid of Saudi Arabia offering both the stick and the carrot, threats and bribes. In an effort to split the tribal council a purge is taking place. Tribal leaders are having to make life or death decisions - do they support Assad, or allow the USA to steal more and more oil, and give the land over to the Kurds?"

kropotkin1951

Michael Moriarity wrote:

It sounds to me as if this is a complicated question, with no simple answer, no matter how much each faction might wish for their own version to be true.

Not a real complicated first step to any solution, it just requires NATO to go home.  We pit people against each other all over the globe and its only for the profit of our billionaires. Western "democracies" are the scourge and if only the voting pubic in Europe and the 5Eyes would demand that the troops come home we would have no such problems.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

It sounds to me as if this is a complicated question, with no simple answer, no matter how much each faction might wish for their own version to be true.

Not a real complicated first step to any solution, it just requires NATO to go home.  We pit people against each other all over the globe and its only for the profit of our billionaires. Western "democracies" are the scourge and if only the voting pubic in Europe and the 5Eyes would demand that the troops come home we would have no such problems.

I fully agree that NATO should disengage, but that would still leave a pretty messy situation. Gulf states and Israel vs Iran, Syria, Hezbollah. Turkey may be in NATO technically, but they are a major regional power with their own agenda and will continue to fight against the possibility of a Kurdistan.

NDPP

Not necessarily...

Iraqi Kurd Leader Lauds Relations With Turkey

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/iraqi-kurd-leader-lauds-relations-w...

"...Barzani said that Ankara and Erbil have a historic bond of friendship. 'Turkey has helped our people in all the difficult periods,' Barzani said...The PKK caused 'big problems'..."

It's complicated...

NDPP

Kurds Help US Steal Syrian Oil (and vid)

https://twitter.com/Rasputinish/status/1289986554249637889

"US will use Kurds for only so long as it suits Washington at which point Kurds will be dumped. Again. Remember Kurds  screeching 'US betrayal!' last Autumn? Yet Kurds now hop back into bed with US and betray their neighbors."

The American/NATO objective with which Canada collaborates and its progressives cheerlead has always been the cannibalization/balkanization of Syria. It remains so.

kropotkin1951

Michael Moriarity wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

It sounds to me as if this is a complicated question, with no simple answer, no matter how much each faction might wish for their own version to be true.

Not a real complicated first step to any solution, it just requires NATO to go home.  We pit people against each other all over the globe and its only for the profit of our billionaires. Western "democracies" are the scourge and if only the voting pubic in Europe and the 5Eyes would demand that the troops come home we would have no such problems.

I fully agree that NATO should disengage, but that would still leave a pretty messy situation. Gulf states and Israel vs Iran, Syria, Hezbollah. Turkey may be in NATO technically, but they are a major regional power with their own agenda and will continue to fight against the possibility of a Kurdistan.

I agree that it is a very messy and volatile situation, given all the actors you have mentioned. If Israel did not have NATO to hide behind it might stop air strikes in Syria and who knows if the regional powers were to negotiate they might even find some areas of compromise. But that will never happen when the treaty table is owned by imperialists and divide and conquer is still the winning strategy for them.

NDPP

"The man who received the Nobel Peace Prize and then dropped 24,000 bombs on Syria and Iraq in a single year alone."

Michelle Obama's First Guest On Her New Podcast...

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1289718334502535169

Obamanation

https://youtu.be/bB-vYuYhdSE

(and Canada helped.)

NDPP

Arab Tribesmen Hold Protests at SDF Headquarters in Deir Ezzor Towns

https://twitter.com/TheArabSource/status/1290737392110972928

"...According to reports, hundreds of Arab tribes in the cities, towns and villages of eastern Deir Ezzor went out to protest against the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) for a string of assassinations that targeted their leaders."

NDPP

Syrian Defences 'Intercept Hostile Targets Over Damascus'

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1290413600914300928

"Zionist forces against bomb Damascus, claiming provocation, days after bombing the border of Lebanon. Apartheid Israel remains a cancer in the region."

High time to perform the necessary surgery to remove it.

NDPP

US-Backed Kurdish SDF Seize Hasakah Grain Stores, Expelling 120 Workers from the Silos

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1291130130958389248

Along with harsh US 'Ceasar' sanctions, these actions by American proxy forces are designed to further the strangulation of Syria. As always, Canada supports.

NDPP

Leaked documents expose massive Syria propaganda operation waged by Western govt contractors and media

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/23/syria-leaks-uk-contractors-opposition...

"In case it wasn't clear that virtually everything Westerners saw and heard about the Syrian proxy war was the product of a regime-change echo chamber carefully managed by US-UK intelligence assets and public relations firms, peruse these documents..."

NDPP

The Grayzone: Censored Ex-OPCW Chief Speaks Out on Syria (and vid)

https://t.co/79jZeiVWqx?amp=1

"At UN on Monday, US-UK-France *blocked* testimony of OPCWs 1st chief, Jose Bustani. He was set to defend OPCW whistleblowers whose censored investigation challenged the basis for US-UK-France's April 2018 bombing of Syria. The censorship effort continues..."

NDPP

"Fisk, like Sy Hersh, correctly understood the dirty war on Syria as an extension of US-UK-Israeli neocolonialism. It's to his credit that he's posthumously denigrated by the 30 & 40 - something careerists who served as press publicists for the West's regime change agenda."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1323157152572297219

NDPP

Israel Just Bombed Syria...

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1331383051083870209

"...In the middle of the night. Yet again. This is the latest aggression in a series of hundreds, on top of illegal Israeli airstrikes on Syrian soil that have largely been ignored by the Western media."

To Israel all things are permitted. 'The light among the nations'. 'And Canada will always have Israel's back.' - JT

NDPP

"Aleppo, Syria is preparing for Christmas, four years after its liberation from Obama and Hillary's Al Qaeda 'rebels'. Do you think we'll see this beautiful sight on the BBC or CNN?"

Unlikely. Canada's shameful support for the awful crimes by the Western Syrian regime-change and dismemberment fiasco is still unappreciated by too many so-called 'progressives'.

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1335320511115497473

NDPP

The [US] House Foreign Affairs Committee is having a hearing about Syria..

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1336769621647507459

"Every revealing thread shows no difference between Dems and Republicans on Syria. It's a celebration of sanctions and a demand for even more strangulation of Syria under the guise of saving Syrians. The arrogance with which they speak about the region like it belongs to them is..."

Ottawa will support their Washington masters.

NDPP

Israel bombs Syria, four civilians reported killed

https://news.antiwar.com/2021/01/22/israel-bombs-syria-four-civilians-re...

"The civilians killed were a family of four: a mother, a father, and two children. Syrian media also reported that four more civilians were wounded and the strikes destroyed 3 houses..."

 

US convoy reported moving into Syria

https://news.antiwar.com/2021/01/22/us-convoy-reported-moving-into-syria...

"According to the Syrian state news outlet SANA - a US-led military convoy of almost 40 vehicles entered northeastern Syria from Iraq on Thursday. The convoy reportedly passed through the al-Waleed border crossing..."

 

USA is bringing misery to all of Syria

https://twitter.com/LebanonME/status/1351858632594436101

"A Syrian child searching for food in a waste dump, and seen behind him the Syrian oil wells that are under USA occupation."

'Kick their ass and take their gas!' - US military ME slogan.

 

josh

We've got better evidence-- against Assad and his clique-- than we had against Milosevic in Yugoslavia, or we had in any of the war crimes tribunals in which I've involved in, some extent, even better than we had against the Nazis at Nuremberg, because the Nazis didn't actually take individual pictures of each of their victims with identifying information on them. 
 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bashar-al-assad-syria-evidence-war-crimes-60-minutes-2021-02-21/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=111830158

NDPP

From the same debunked US poster that told you a carefully placed bomb on a bed from bellingcat also 'proved' Assad's crimes...

Biden continues stealing Syrian oil

https://youtu.be/WTKV9VdHGU

"It's not as if we don't know they're stealing it..."

 

Assad's Syria is Starting to Starve

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1363362295938576386

"How hypocritical that the US claims it applied the 'Caesar law' sanctions on Syria because of photos of starved men and now the sanctions are starving millions of civilians. The sanctions on Iraq killed half a million babies alone. Now, in your name, they are doing it again."

Canada's starvation sanctions on Syria continue in your name too. Meanwhile the western proxy Al Qaeda Islamofascist White Helmets Freeland and Netanyahu helped 'rescue' are doing just fine in their new Canadian home, just as the 'resettled' Galician SS vets before.

NDPP

"DC court rules that the CIA does not have to honor a FOIA request on its payments to Al Qaeda aligned militias advancing the US policy of regime change in Syria, thereby continuing the cover-up of one of the greatest national-security scandals of the century."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1360337984738983941

josh

Not sure what bomb report you're referring to, but you conveniently ignore the substance of the CBS report.

NDPP

I refer to your posting of Bellingcat's bogus claim of an alleged 'chemical weapon' attack with accompanying image of a bomb in a bed, later exposed as fake news.

'Assad's committing a Sunni genocide with chemical weapons'

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/1362584698535444480

"Same energy."

josh

Yes, it's all fake.  So were the Nazi death camps, I hear.  
 

Do you have any comment on the CBS report?

NDPP

Yes. Remove the 'C'.

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

We've got better evidence-- against Assad and his clique-- than we had against Milosevic in Yugoslavia, or we had in any of the war crimes tribunals in which I've involved in, some extent, even better than we had against the Nazis at Nuremberg, because the Nazis didn't actually take individual pictures of each of their victims with identifying information on them. 
 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bashar-al-assad-syria-evidence-war-crimes-60-minutes-2021-02-21/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7d&linkId=111830158

Even if I believed this report I would have to say get the fuck out of Syria. Like other states in the Middle East that used an iron fist to keep the Islamic terrorists at bay I am sure that Syria has killed thousands of its people and some of them, many hundreds were likely innocents caught in the civil war, not actual jihadists. I also believe that the majority of those thousands are likely not peaceful people who just want to vote in an election. The part that pisses me off about US "progressives" is that level of state oppression is enough justification to unleash starvation sanctions and the bombing of HUNDREDS of thousands of people and the civic infrastructure that belongs to them not any current government of Syria.

Tell me Josh just what god gave you as an American the right to unleash death and destruction on a people to protect them from themselves?

 

josh

And when did you start beating your wife?

Sanctions is a separate issue.  The issue here is violation of human rights.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Yes. Remove the 'C'.

Of course.  Your selective human rights outrage is already well established.  

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

And when did you start beating your wife?

Sanctions is a separate issue.  The issue here is violation of human rights.

Bullshit. Sanctions kill civilians, way more than any ruthless government that will not bow to your overlords.

You sir are an imperial shill and you think you are the good guy. The biggest evil in the world is your oligarchy and you come on here to defend their actions at debasing whole countries because they will not bend the knee to American hegemony.

NDPP

The carnage and deaths that are your evil homeland's doing in the Middle East,  particularly those arising from failed attempts at Syrian dismemberment and regime-change, constitute a very large and bloody beach compared to the grain of sand that is attributed to Assad's doing. What insufferable arrogance and wilful blindness that you should attempt to curry favour for even more US imperialist crimes.

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