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JKR

NDPP wrote:

Why Syrians elected Assad (and vid)

In this video I address the main factors that encouraged millions of Syrians to vote for Assad, despite 10 years of war and propaganda."

Assad received over 95% of the vote in the Syrian regime's "election" which confirmed to the world that Assad is a dictator.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Why Syrians elected Assad (and vid)

In this video I address the main factors that encouraged millions of Syrians to vote for Assad, despite 10 years of war and propaganda."

Assad received over 95% of the vote in the Syrian regime's "election" which confirmed to the world that Assad is a dictator.

Or that everyone in the country is tired of the civil war being raged in our name. The truth is that elections held during a civil war are not very democratic. However the idea that Assad is hated by most of the people is just Western propaganda gobbled up by the easily led. These people lived through the years when Aleppo was "liberated." No one had to coerce them to vote because they experienced the alternative. Western backed Islamic terrorists in charge or an authoritarian socialist. I gather from your posts what you would choose.

This is election night in Aleppo. Not as joyful as the celebration when the evil Assad enslaved them after they had the honor of living in a caliphate run by religious fanatics.

 

NDPP

 IAC: Statement from the International Delegation to the 2021 Syrian Presidential Election

https:iacenter.org/2021/05/30/statement-from-the-international-delegatio...

"This joint statement summarizes our findings on the election and what it meant for Syrians...It is the unanimous conclusion of the undersigned representatives of the International Delegation to the Syrian Presidential Election that the re-election of President Bashar-al-Assad of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party and the National Progressive Front is the legitimate expression of the Syrian people...'

 

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Western backed Islamic terrorists in charge or an authoritarian socialist. I gather from your posts what you would choose.

I would choose neither. I would choose for Syria to have a political agreement that involves all significant parties that allows Syria to recover from their civil war and to have a political system that protects civil liberties and provides equality, prosperity,  and dignity to all Syrians.

NDPP

It wasn't a 'civil-war' it was a western regime change operation designed to destroy Syria. And in future, hopefully, westerners will never again try to make choices about what happens there.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Western backed Islamic terrorists in charge or an authoritarian socialist. I gather from your posts what you would choose.

I would choose neither. I would choose for Syria to have a political agreement that involves all significant parties that allows Syria to recover from their civil war and to have a political system that protects civil liberties and provides equality, prosperity,  and dignity to all Syrians.

I guess the only problem is the Syrians never asked you or NATO and neither you nor NATO have any moral authority to have any say in the matter. It is our interference that is the problem and your white man's burden solutions to brown peoples' problems are classic Western liberalism.

JKR

I agree that NATO should not have interfered. The civil war in Syria should be dealt with by the UN. If Assad was as popular as he claims millions of Syrian refugees would be returning to Syria.

NDPP

US gov't neocon outlines central regime-change strategy in Syria (and vid)

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1401130759197368327

"Dana Stroul, currently Biden's Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (DASD) for the middle east, boasts in 2019 that Washington 'owns' one third of Syria, and the resource-rich part. That will help them 'shape an outcome' favourable to US interests."

UN General Assembly, resolution 1803 (XVII) of 14 December 1962

https://twitter.com/LarryBoorstein/status/1401172390130954243

'Permanent Soverignty over Natural Resources'...'Violations of the rights of peoples and nations to sovereignty over their natural wealth and resources is contrary to the spirit and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.'

(also relevant to settler-state colonizers/genociders.)

 

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

I agree that NATO should not have interfered. The civil war in Syria should be dealt with by the UN. If Assad was as popular as he claims millions of Syrian refugees would be returning to Syria.

Why would they when there are sanctions that make it impossible to rebuild or get proper health care. You just can't accept that we are the fucking problem not Assad. The standard playbook is to starve the people so they get pissed off at their government and start looking for anyone who will offer them peace. We are in the middle of that particular imperial strategy and you are cheering it on. Wake up and stop being manipulated.

kropotkin1951

Here is very long podcast/video. Two of the people discussing what is happening in Syria were just there. The Grayzone has been instrumental in debunking the NATO lies about chemical weapons and other supposed atrocities. I found many of their insights interesting. One of the things mentioned in discussing the ridiculously high vote in the election for Assad was that in places like Aleppo the people were voting against Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, the leader of the last "Free Syria stronghold." To people on the ground many think you either support the central government that or support the Freedom fighters backed by the West. The people of Aleppo and other areas have lived under both choices on offer and I for one am not surprised they chose the secular socialists to a jihadist caliphate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9iqWnpBFZk&t=6294s

https://unac.notowar.net/2021/02/15/syrias-jolani-gets-a-makeover/

NDPP

Those who choose to cheerlead and propagandize on the post- Syrian dirty war must see the above Grayzone video.  As a participant, Canada has a lot to answer for.

"The Canadian government is just as murderous as any other government in NATO."

From the above 'moderate rebels' youtube. True.

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

JKR wrote:

I agree that NATO should not have interfered. The civil war in Syria should be dealt with by the UN. If Assad was as popular as he claims millions of Syrian refugees would be returning to Syria.

Why would they when there are sanctions that make it impossible to rebuild or get proper health care. You just can't accept that we are the fucking problem not Assad. The standard playbook is to starve the people so they get pissed off at their government and start looking for anyone who will offer them peace. We are in the middle of that particular imperial strategy and you are cheering it on. Wake up and stop being manipulated.

I've spoken to Syrian refugees here in Vancouver and they've all said that Assad is a cruel dictator they wish was gone from Syria's political scene.

NDPP

And some say that point of view was considered a positive factor in Canada selecting them.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

I've spoken to Syrian refugees here in Vancouver and they've all said that Assad is a cruel dictator they wish was gone from Syria's political scene.

Did you ask them if that political view was worth destroying their country over? The biggest evil in the world is the interference in the internal affairs of other countries. The UN was set up to prevent the very things that have been recurring again and again over the last twenty years. So tell me do you think Syria is better off because of the civil war or not. The other possibility is that Assad could have lost quickly and then Syria would have been liberated like Libya. Tell me do you think Libyan refugees are now streaming back into the country we provided them with.

You seem far to intelligent to believe that what has happened since NATO began its aggressive campaign this century has anything to do with protecting brown people from their evil governments. The key to understanding is to see who now benefits from the oil being pumped out of the ground, in both Libya and Syria. We could not abide Qaddafi or Assad because they tortured people they thought were jihadist, a mistaken belief about wonderful groups like the Moslem Brotherhood who these secular socialist dictatorships thought were trying to enslave people in a theocracy. Brutal dictatorships that also provided free education and health care and some of the highest standards of living in the region. They had to be overthrown not the monarchies in Saudi Arabia or Jordan or the theocracy of Israel. None of those countries have brutal security forces that regularly torture and kill people it was only those evil socialists who refused to bow to the Washington overlords that we needed to reduce to rubble.

JKR

What I'm saying is that Assad's autocratic and dictatorial ways helped create the catastrophe in Syria. I'm not saying the actions of the US and NATO have helped.

josh

Nuance is not permitted.  The enemy of my enemy can do no wrong.

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

What I'm saying is that Assad's autocratic and dictatorial ways helped create the catastrophe in Syria. I'm not saying the actions of the US and NATO have helped.

He killed a few hundred of his people and at most a few thousand. We now have millions of displaced people and tens of thousand of dead. All because white people think they have the right to rule the world. Assad did not come to North America to kill us because we commit genocide against indigenous people why should we think we have some sort of moral authority to invade their country.

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

Nuance is not permitted.  The enemy of my enemy can do no wrong.

Yes you have forgiven the Free Syrian Army for all of their war crimes. Here is the enemy of your enemy Assad. I am sure that a liberal American like yourself would love to live in this country and you would love it way better than Assad's rule because living in a brutal theocracy is okay as long as the jihadist leader is a friend of America.

NDPP

In case you missed it...

'How the decade long dirty war on Syria began in Daraa...'

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1398816056907423746

"US-backed sectarian Islamists launched an armed insurrection under cover of political reform demonstrations. Constant western regime-change propaganda fooled western civilians into not opposing the war."

Again.

JKR

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war

The unrest in Syria (which began on 15 March 2011 as part of the wider 2011 Arab Spring protests) grew out of discontent with the Syrian government and escalated to an armed conflict after protests calling for Assad's removal were violently suppressed.[111][112][113]

JKR

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

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The civil uprising phase of the Syrian Civil War, or as it was sometimes called by the media, the Syrian Revolution,[20] was an early stage of protests – with subsequent violent reaction by the Syrian Arab Republic – lasting from March to 28 July 2011, as part of the wider spread Arab Spring in the Arab world. The uprising, initially demanding democratic reforms, evolved from initially minor protests, beginning as early as January 2011 and transformed into massive protests in March.

The uprising was marked by massive anti-government opposition demonstrations against the Ba'athist government led by Bashar al-Assad, meeting with police and military violence, massive arrests and a brutal crackdown, resulting in hundreds of deaths and thousands of wounded.

Despite Bashar al-Assad's attempts to stop the protests with the massive crackdown and use of censorship on one hand and concessions on the other, by the end of April it became clear the situation was getting out of his control and his government deployed numerous troops on the ground.

The civil uprising phase led to the emergence of militant opposition movements and massive defections from the Syrian Army, which gradually transformed the conflict from a civil uprising to an armed rebellion, and later a full-scale civil war. The rebel Free Syrian Army was created on 29 July 2011, marking the transition into armed insurgency.

NDPP

You're defending the indefensible. This was incited and orchestrated from outside:

Syria: Unraveling the Propaganda

https://cultureandpolitics.org/2017/01/29/unmasking-the-msm-lies-on-syria/

"...What former UK ambassador Craig Murray described as the active arming, funding and training of anti-Assad groups from 2007 onward, contradicts the 'completely untrue narrative' that the conflict in Syria suddenly erupted and that the Americans came in to support democratic forces..."

 

Former French FM Roland Dumas: The British prepared for war in Syria 2 years Before the Eruption of the Crisis

https://youtu.be/jeyRwFHR8WY

"I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confirmed to me that they were 'preparing something in Syria'. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria...'

Dumas continues with the interview pointing out Israel's central role with regard to Western Middle East policy. Canada was deeply involved in the attempted regime-change and disembowlment of Syria.  It remains a developmental task for Canadian progressives to force an independent foreign policy instead of automatically following the lead of USrael, NATO etc.

JKR

NDPP wrote:

You're defending the indefensible. This was incited and orchestrated from outside:

Not according to mainstream sources like Wikipedia. Maybe people should go onto Wikipedia and add information? All the mainstream sources are saying the uprising against Assad was by Syrians fed up with Assad's dictatorship.

kropotkin1951

Wikki is just a one stop shopping for imperial propaganda. You can believe the New York Times and Washington Post and Guardian but I much prefer the Grayzone and their in depth journalism.

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kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

NDPP wrote:

You're defending the indefensible. This was incited and orchestrated from outside:

Not according to mainstream sources like Wikipedia. Maybe people should go onto Wikipedia and add information? All the mainstream sources are saying the uprising against Assad was by Syrians fed up with Assad's dictatorship.

You are absolutely right that all of the Western MSM parrot the imperial line. Try reading some sources that are not in the MSM.

The real problem is that NATO has abandoned Article 2 of the UN Convention. The reason why the world created the UN and its rules because the greatest evil is interfering in the sovereign affairs of other nations. If I have a thousand people in Vancouver who are bent on destroying the government they will rant and rave and maybe protest. If those same thousand people get NED cash and clandestine weapons smuggled across the Strait of Juan de Fuca then the next time we have an environmental protest that attract tens of thousands of people they will be able to show us what a real BC Spring could look like. Shoot a few cops maybe set fire to some police stations. Who knows maybe go all the way and shoot a few fellow protestors for good measure.

The 5Eyes nations are rogue regimes who believe they have the right to tell all people on the globe who should rule them.

 

NDPP

Grayzone: How Washington is positioning Syrian A/Q founder as its 'asset'

https://twitter.com/TheGrayZoneNews/status/1402747851457847301

"Benjamin Norton and Max Blumenthal on the PR push to legitimize al-Nusra...

'The campaign to normalize Jolani was initiated by the International Crisis Group (ICG), a Brussels-based think-tank with close ties to the Biden administration and NATO...'

And for whom accused Canadian spy Michael Kovrig was 'Senior Advisor for North East Asia.'

 

NDPP

WATCH: Biden confuses Syria-Libya three times...

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1404144861532594180

"He also appears to boast that Russia's inability to 'provide for the basic economic needs of people' in Syria is a point of US leverage. I assume he means the US sanctions that like Biden, US media won't mention."

Nor Canada's.

kropotkin1951

He is no more in charge of US foreign policy than Trump was. The NATO war machine is a creature without a master.  I have no idea who runs the military/security industrial complex but it sure is neither of these clowns.

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

He is no more in charge of US foreign policy than Trump was. The NATO war machine is a creature without a master.  I have no idea who runs the military/security industrial complex but it sure is neither of these clowns.

The clowns all seem to be worshiping the same "person."

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