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We Don't Want The 'Royals'!

We Don't Want the 'Royals'!

https://twitter.com/KanahusFreedom/status/1216933205007159296

"We don't want the 'royals' in our Unceded Indigenous territories in so-called BC. They are not welcome here, we are in a major indigenous resistance and land conflict here in BC because of the queen and the theft of our lands! This colonialism must end now!!!"

NDPP

Premier and Prime Minister 'Giddy' About Harry and Meghan's Possible Move to BC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/premier-our-prime-minist...

"Premier John Horgan says he is excited by the prospect of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle calling British Columbia their part-time home. He had a light-hearted conversation about the couple with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday, he said, during a news conference in Victoria. 'We're both kind of giddy about it. Canada is a cool place to be. We are all pretty happy about that as Canadians..."

NDPP

I'm not. Fuck the monarchy and their long criminal history. Stay home!

voice of the damned

How would Harry and Meghan, who as I understand it are actually trying to get out of the royal family, be any different from anyone else who moves to BC from elsewhere?

 

NDPP

Really? Giving up all their entitlements and royal welfare payments? I doubt that very much.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

I'm not. Fuck the monarchy and their long criminal history. Stay home!

Agreed. We have no need for a couple of celebrity parasites.

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

Really? Giving up all their entitlements and royal welfare payments? I doubt that very much.

But even if they keep all their money, how is their moving to BC and different tban Joe Blow from Wetaskawin moving to BC?

voice of the damned

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Agreed. We have no need for a couple of celebrity parasites.

Is their possible immigration to Canada somehow being fast-tracked due to their royal status? If so, I'd agree that shouldn't be happening. But otherwise, I'm not aware of anything in the relevant laws that specifically bars the rather subjective category of "celebrity parasites".

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

voice of the damned wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Agreed. We have no need for a couple of celebrity parasites.

Is their possible immigration to Canada somehow being fast-tracked due to their royal status? If so, I'd agree that shouldn't be happening. But otherwise, I'm not aware of anything in the relevant laws that specifically bars the rather subjective category of "celebrity parasites".

I am not addressing the legal situation, but rather the ethical one. They are definitely celebrities, as demonstrated by the fact that their lives are even being discussed by the media. They are parasites because they live pampered lives funded by the public purse and give nothing of any value back. You want to treat them as normal members of society, but they aren't that at all. They are representatives of an age old monarchy which has caused untold harm, and should have ended long ago. They should be shunned by all decent people.

voice of the damned

Michael Moriarity wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Agreed. We have no need for a couple of celebrity parasites.

Is their possible immigration to Canada somehow being fast-tracked due to their royal status? If so, I'd agree that shouldn't be happening. But otherwise, I'm not aware of anything in the relevant laws that specifically bars the rather subjective category of "celebrity parasites".

I am not addressing the legal situation, but rather the ethical one. They are definitely celebrities, as demonstrated by the fact that their lives are even being discussed by the media. They are parasites because they live pampered lives funded by the public purse and give nothing of any value back. You want to treat them as normal members of society, but they aren't that at all. They are representatives of an age old monarchy which has caused untold harm, and should have ended long ago. They should be shunned by all decent people.

Well, monarchs have certainly done great harm, especially to First Nations people(as have republics, see the Trail Of Tears). But if you really think the historical crimes of monarchs are enough to justify the personal shunning of monarchs today, I'd say you've got bigger problems than just The Man Who Will Never Be King and his American-born wife coming to live in BC.

The biggest and most urgent of those problems being: CANADA ITSELF IS A MONARCHY. Seems rather immaterial to worry about Harry and Meg when the very fact that we are ruled by their mum is apparently causing so much agony for Canada's First Nations at the present time.

voice of the damned

But anyway, if monarchs in the year 2020 are such a burden for the First Nations, they might wanna give some thought to this Wexit movement. Separatists always talked about a "Republic Of Alberta" or a "Republic Of Western Canada", so that might be one way to ensure the end of Windsor rule forever.

lagatta4

Caused a lot for the Irish too, as well as the many peoples of what was "British India" and now several nations, from huge to small. We can think of many other examples.

That said, I have nothing against their particular presence; they seem like decent enough people and certainly no worse than the investor-class immigrants. The real problem remains the monarchy, though there again, there have been and there still are some pretty horrid republics.

That said, I remain a republican, but don't want to give the H+M issue any more attention than it deserves.

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

Premier and Prime Minister 'Giddy' About Harry and Meghan's Possible Move to BC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/premier-our-prime-minist...

"Premier John Horgan says he is excited by the prospect of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle calling British Columbia their part-time home. He had a light-hearted conversation about the couple with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday, he said, during a news conference in Victoria. 'We're both kind of giddy about it. Canada is a cool place to be. We are all pretty happy about that as Canadians..."

Fuck Horgan and this royal couple. He is giddy about them coming to BC in time to take the removal of the Wet'suwet'en landowners from their traditional territories off the front pages. The RCMP have blockaded the Wet'suwet'en territory and no press are being allowed in to see what happens when they enforce the corporations injunction while ignoring the Wet'suwet'en demands for them to leave their unceded territories. 

This royal couple is a modern symbol of the Doctrine of Discovery.

Pondering

They don't want to be parasites. They want to be financially independent. That is why they are splitting from the Royal Family. They refused a title for Archie, their son, which is unheard of. 

She volunteered at a charity helping homeless people, adopted a rescue dog, and had already served as a UN Women’s Advocate for Women’s Political Participation and Leadership.

Meghan has clearly had a social conscience for a long time. At age 11, she wrote a letter to Procter & Gamble questioning why their ad for dish soap specifically targeted women. Within a month, they changed the wording of their ad from “women all over America are fighting greasy pots and pans” to “people all over America.”

She volunteered at a soup kitchen throughout high school, interned at the American embassy in Argentina, volunteered at a homeless charity during her time in Toronto, and visited Rwanda on a humanitarian trip for World Vision before she entered the royal family. These are all major accomplishments, although they rarely come up in the articles painting her as petty or manipulative.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/meghan-markle-fan-video_ca_5e1ce415c5b6640ec3d978e9

She seems like a really nice person to me. The gossip is that they are too "woke" for the royal family and the british press. Short of abdicating this is the best they can do. 

Having said all that, I don't think we should be paying for their security. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I share the historic anger about land theft and the role of the monarchy...but there is also the fact that the major reason Harry and Meghan want to De-Windsorfy themselves is the relentless, toxic racism Meghan experienced in the UK-in some respects, they are victims of the monarchy if you really think about it-not to the same degree FN people or those who were or are colonized by the Empire were, but still people who were damaged by the monarchy and its rules and by the far-right UK media and its refusal to accept a person of color in the Royal Family.

Obviously, if they get out of the game, these two  should give up the royal welfare payments and shift for themselves, and I suspect they can both do that and would be blad to do it-Meghan could go back to acting, Harry could easily get a job-he could even be a Bush pilot in the North-but is there no way, under no circumstances, they could have some legitimate way of emigrating to Canada(or the US, for that matter)?  No way they could come to this continent and not inspire this sort of excessive rage?

This continent is stolen land...but why assume that it would be worse for this couple, under any circumstances, even if the did give up the royal welfare payments-to come here than it would be for anyone else to emigrate?

Is it really necessary to make these two people into greater pariahs than anybody else who showed up at Canada Customs?

And if people are going to take that line, don't they pretty much have to be against ANYBODY immigrating to North America at all?

Just seems weird to me to single out these two like this-and especially to single out Meghan, who just married into the royals a couple of years ago and, as an African-American, bears no responsibility at all for the crimes of empire.

Bacchus

His royal welfare payments are a pittance and he has given them up

lagatta4

Kropotkin, I fully support the demands and the struggle of the Wet'suwet'en and all other Indigenous peoples of the Americas. While I fully support criticism of the role played by the monarchy (though I will reiterate that many republics were pretty shabby too; not only the US and its slaveholder founders, but also the French under Napoleon in the face of the 1804 revolution and never forgiving Haitians from founding the first Black Republic), British pundits have actually been comparing Meghan with Wallis Simpson, an actual Nazi sympathiser.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

lagatta4 wrote:

Kropotkin, I fully support the demands and the struggle of the Wet'suwet'en and all other Indigenous peoples of the Americas. While I fully support criticism of the role played by the monarchy (though I will reiterate that many republics were pretty shabby too; not only the US and its slaveholder founders, but also the French under Napoleon in the face of the 1804 revolution and never forgiving Haitians from founding the first Black Republic), British pundits have actually been comparing Meghan with Wallis Simpson, an actual Nazi sympathiser.

An utterly despicable comparison to make-especially towards a woman of color.  Meghan hasn't betrayed any nation or supported any bloodthirsty tyrants.

cco

voice of the damned wrote:

But even if they keep all their money, how is their moving to BC and different tban Joe Blow from Wetaskawin moving to BC?

The millions of dollars the RCMP will be spending on making sure they exist in a bubble where they never have to be even slightly inconvenienced comes to mind.

Ken Burch wrote:

Obviously, if they get out of the game, these two  should give up the royal welfare payments and shift for themselves, and I suspect they can both do that and would be blad to do it-Meghan could go back to acting, Harry could easily get a job-he could even be a Bush pilot in the North-but is there no way, under no circumstances, they could have some legitimate way of emigrating to Canada(or the US, for that matter)?  No way they could come to this continent and not inspire this sort of excessive rage?

Abdicate and immigrate the same way normal non-billionaires do. I'm an immigrant myself, and my dislike is for the monarchy as a whole, not these two in particular, but it disgusts me that people like them get to just announce they're moving to Canada and we roll out the red carpet and fawning media for them while friends of mine are sweating immigration interviews – especially when you consider Harry's the scion of a crime family that eclipses the Rizzutos.

NDPP

Prince Harry Blasted For Taliban Comments

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/prince-harry-criticized-for-c...

"...A British officer in NATO headquarters in Kabul said it was 'problematic' to compare the war in Afghanistan in any way with video games."

 

Harry The Nazi

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-16/the-sun-shows-prince-harry-wearin...

 

Queen Makes Nazi Salute in Video

https://youtu.be/OB0YAVF-eOI

Runs in the family. Sorry, war-criminals aren't my kind of people. Nor should it come as any surprise given the treachery, betrayal and genocide that 'The Crown's' royal waste-products aren't welcome in Secwepemc territory either.

quizzical

Kanahus speaking for everyone again.

 

not that i dont agree with no immigration sentiment.  

I have been saying no to immigrants to Canada, until land claims are settled and FN have a say too, here for 8 years or so and pretty much have been ignored and shunned for saying so.

now all of sudden 2 more people want to maybe immigrate and it's all "slam the door".

it's bs hypocrisy on your parts imv. 

 

 

Sean in Ottawa

I am generally with Ken on this and think his comments are spot on.

That said, I also feel that they are rich celebrities who are not unlike many others in Canada. I do not want to subsidize them. I am disgusted by calls to make one of them Governor General. I would rather Canada had an elected President than a connection to an entitled family from another country.

But I feel that we have huge issues with hown grown families who have never faced wealth taxes and have passed down advantages and wealth generation to generation and there are many in Caanda. Some of these are nasty employers today, are nasty businessowner, some are in politics perpetuating their advantages.

The Sussex family are really irritants compared to the gaping sore some of these parasitic familes are.

As far as wether they live here or not-- I don't care much more than any other entitled celebrity. I agree with others -- we should not pay security bills.

Apast from these security bills there is the problem of forelock tugging before a foreign family that might only get more popular with part of it in residence here.

Still in comparison to everything else this is a minor story that is a problem becuase of all the energy and sapce it is taking away from more imporant matters.

I suspect opinions on this on this site may range only very narrowly.

Pondering

“I got into my tank where Prince Harry was doing something, and he could see that I was clearly affected by something and he asked me what the problem was,” Wharton continued.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6409781/prince-harry-protects-gay-soldier/

“I told him that there were a couple of soldiers outside who weren’t very happy with the fact I was gay.”

The duke’s instinct to help didn’t stop there, though. Wharton said Harry felt “quite offended.”

“Prince Harry went out and saw these soldiers and spoke to them, and the problem went away,” he said. “He told them off and they left me alone.”

Like anyone else they are a mixed bag. They are not moving here in the sense of immigrating. They and anyone else from England can stay here visa free for 6 months although I think they have to prove they can afford it. They plan to split their time between GB and Canada not live here full-time. 

In Britain Archie was referred to as a chimp and Mehgan was referred to as having exotic DNA.

This is much ado about nothing. I find it very odd that the Queen didn't make an immediate announcement in support. Not doing so leaves me unconvinced that the royal family really does want to avoid publicity. Apparently Harry had approached the Queen and his father and had been rebuffed so the family was not blindsided. In the past they worked under William's charitable foundation  but they split from it in order to have more freedom in what they support. One of William's friends said that William doesn't feel he can put his arm around his brother anymore. Apparently there is a private family chat in which Mehgan and Kate don't speak to each other. 

Apparently being royal doesn't spare you from family drama. I am very happy that mine isn't spread across the news.

The royal family couldn't deal with Diana. They expected her to accept Charles having a mistress because he couldn't marry Camilla, someone who had divorced. 

They are stinking rich so I don't feel "sorry" for them but I don't envy them the media focus. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

cco wrote:
voice of the damned wrote:

But even if they keep all their money, how is their moving to BC and different tban Joe Blow from Wetaskawin moving to BC?

The millions of dollars the RCMP will be spending on making sure they exist in a bubble where they never have to be even slightly inconvenienced comes to mind.

Ken Burch wrote:

Obviously, if they get out of the game, these two  should give up the royal welfare payments and shift for themselves, and I suspect they can both do that and would be blad to do it-Meghan could go back to acting, Harry could easily get a job-he could even be a Bush pilot in the North-but is there no way, under no circumstances, they could have some legitimate way of emigrating to Canada(or the US, for that matter)?  No way they could come to this continent and not inspire this sort of excessive rage?

Abdicate and immigrate the same way normal non-billionaires do. I'm an immigrant myself, and my dislike is for the monarchy as a whole, not these two in particular, but it disgusts me that people like them get to just announce they're moving to Canada and we roll out the red carpet and fawning media for them while friends of mine are sweating immigration interviews – especially when you consider Harry's the scion of a crime family that eclipses the Rizzutos.

The term "abdication" only applies to a person who has already been crowned queen or king.

What we'd be talking about in this situation would be a renunciation of Harry's place in the succession.

I'd say the "stepping back" thing pretty much counts as an abdication(Before this blew up, he was sixth in line for the throne, so it was fairly unlikely that Harry was ever going to end up being crowned), and we don't actually know that he's getting special treatment from the Canadian immigration system at all).

There's lots of reasons to hate the monarchy as an institution-what I don't think you are considering is that Harry and Meghan may agree with you on those reasons.

 

voice of the damned

cco wrote:

The millions of dollars the RCMP will be spending on making sure they exist in a bubble where they never have to be even slightly inconvenienced comes to mind.

Well, I don't think they should be given state-funded security, no. If they worry about being harassed or threatened, they should pay for their own.

If, as Pondering states, sufficiently-heeled sons and daughters of Albion are generally allowed to stay in Canada for six months, then there's probably not a lot any of us can do about this couple in particular. I guess we could all make media posts saying how much we dislike having them here, and hope they get the message, though I would think Canadian progressives have bigger fish to fry at the present time.

Bacchus

voice of the damned wrote:

cco wrote:

The millions of dollars the RCMP will be spending on making sure they exist in a bubble where they never have to be even slightly inconvenienced comes to mind.

Well, I don't think they should be given state-funded security, no. If they worry about being harassed or threatened, they should pay for their own.

If, as Pondering states, sufficiently-heeled sons and daughters of Albion are generally allowed to stay in Canada for six months, then there's probably not a lot any of us can do about this couple in particular. I guess we could all make media posts saying how much we dislike having them here, and hope they get the message, though I would think Canadian progressives have bigger fish to fry at the present time.

 

Ain't just the sufficiently-heeled sons and daughters, anyone who is a British Citizen or American citizen can do this. My wife did and she is so far removed from a sufficiently-heeled daughter as can be

lagatta4

Elizabeth was too young and shielded to know what the salute meant. The villain there was Edward, along with Wallis of course. Harry wasn't really a Nazi in his Africa campaign outfit, but he was showing extremely poor judgement. The Queen was a volunteer in the Home Guard as a teen, and was a vehicle mechanic.

Yes, it would be good if this might fuel republicanism, though not of the Wexit type. But I'm more interested in anti-militarism, and of course recognition of the reality and urgency of the climate emergency. I certainly support any Indigenous opposition to their presence.

nicky

Not much enthusiasm for them moving here.

73% don't want to pay a cent for their security or upkeep:

http://angusreid.org/harry-meghan-canada-monarchy/

Unionist

Ken Burch wrote:

I share the historic anger about land theft and the role of the monarchy...but there is also the fact that the major reason Harry and Meghan want to De-Windsorfy themselves is the relentless, toxic racism Meghan experienced in the UK...

Ken raises an important point. Meghan could apply for refugee status (unfortunately, Harry wouldn't be eligible). She could then await a hearing along with the tens of thousands of British Jews fleeing the rampant antisemitism of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. Canada must respect its international human rights obligations.

quizzical
Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Pondering wrote:
This is much ado about nothing. I find it very odd that the Queen didn't make an immediate announcement in support. Not doing so leaves me unconvinced that the royal family really does want to avoid publicity. Apparently Harry had approached the Queen and his father and had been rebuffed so the family was not blindsided. In the past they worked under William's charitable foundation  but they split from it in order to have more freedom in what they support. One of William's friends said that William doesn't feel he can put his arm around his brother anymore. Apparently there is a private family chat in which Mehgan and Kate don't speak to each other.

It comes across to me as though the Queen isn't happy about Meghan and Harry wanting to reduce the number of public events they attend in an official capacity as members of the Royal Family.

NDPP

A 'modest proposal'...

Can Canada Put Harry and Meghan to Work?

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/can-canada-put-harry-and-meghan-to-work/

"News that Prince Harry and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, plans to move to Canada has been met with scorn in the UK and great enthusiasm on our shores. While the National Post published a poll that showed that 60 percent of Canadians would like Harry to become the next Governor General, and others still hoping to amend the line of succession for the Canadian Crown so that Harry becomes King of Canada upon the death of his grandmother, I suggest something  a bit more modest..."

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Unionist wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

I share the historic anger about land theft and the role of the monarchy...but there is also the fact that the major reason Harry and Meghan want to De-Windsorfy themselves is the relentless, toxic racism Meghan experienced in the UK...

Ken raises an important point. Meghan could apply for refugee status (unfortunately, Harry wouldn't be eligible). She could then await a hearing along with the tens of thousands of British Jews fleeing the rampant antisemitism of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. Canada must respect its international human rights obligations.


 

Well, Corbyn was electorally destroyed by the AS smear, which means those tens of thousands are no longer planning to flee to the sanctuary of Canada, so the queue should be a bit shorter at this point.

(I know you were joking-just wanted to make sure everybody was updated on the situation there).

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

A 'modest proposal'...

Can Canada Put Harry and Meghan to Work?

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/can-canada-put-harry-and-meghan-to-work/

"News that Prince Harry and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, plans to move to Canada has been met with scorn in the UK and great enthusiasm on our shores. While the National Post published a poll that showed that 60 percent of Canadians would like Harry to become the next Governor General, and others still hoping to amend the line of succession for the Canadian Crown so that Harry becomes King of Canada upon the death of his grandmother, I suggest something  a bit more modest..."

An excellent idea, and I think they would embrace it-Meghan, to establish a new purpose in her life; Harry, to honor his mother's memory in an even more active and visceral way.

Unionist

Ken Burch wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

I share the historic anger about land theft and the role of the monarchy...but there is also the fact that the major reason Harry and Meghan want to De-Windsorfy themselves is the relentless, toxic racism Meghan experienced in the UK...

Ken raises an important point. Meghan could apply for refugee status (unfortunately, Harry wouldn't be eligible). She could then await a hearing along with the tens of thousands of British Jews fleeing the rampant antisemitism of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. Canada must respect its international human rights obligations.


 

Well, Corbyn was electorally destroyed by the AS smear, which means those tens of thousands are no longer planning to flee to the sanctuary of Canada, so the queue should be a bit shorter at this point.

(I know you were joking-just wanted to make sure everybody was updated on the situation there).

What Ken says is sad, and true. Sorry for joking about this - it's just my coping mechanism.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Unionist wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

I share the historic anger about land theft and the role of the monarchy...but there is also the fact that the major reason Harry and Meghan want to De-Windsorfy themselves is the relentless, toxic racism Meghan experienced in the UK...

Ken raises an important point. Meghan could apply for refugee status (unfortunately, Harry wouldn't be eligible). She could then await a hearing along with the tens of thousands of British Jews fleeing the rampant antisemitism of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. Canada must respect its international human rights obligations.


 

Well, Corbyn was electorally destroyed by the AS smear, which means those tens of thousands are no longer planning to flee to the sanctuary of Canada, so the queue should be a bit shorter at this point.

(I know you were joking-just wanted to make sure everybody was updated on the situation there).

What Ken says is sad, and true. Sorry for joking about this - it's just my coping mechanism.

Entirely understandable.

Bacchus

nicky wrote:

Not much enthusiasm for them moving here.

73% don't want to pay a cent for their security or upkeep:

http://angusreid.org/harry-meghan-canada-monarchy/

 

Not quite. There is massive support for them living here, just not for paying for their security

 

kropotkin1951

I was thinking that they should just be left alone and allowed to come here like other visitors. However after reading about the trip to a transition society I have changed my mind. They are obviously not planning to just move here as regular folks. Most people do not arrive and immediately do photo ops for their favourite causes. Personally I find the behaviour to be self aggrandizement not altruism and so the less air we give these royal leeches the better. We don't need British twits making a living as professional charity personalities. They would do far better in the US anyways.

The couple’s official website says they plan to develop a charitable entity together this year.

https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news/meghan-markle-visits-womens-shelter-in-vancouvers-downtown-eastside/

Pondering

Left Turn wrote:
It comes across to me as though the Queen isn't happy about Meghan and Harry wanting to reduce the number of public events they attend in an official capacity as members of the Royal Family.

I agree, but if the Queen and Prince Charles and Duke William don't like publicity then they should have simply supported Harry and Meghan's desire to step back from full-time senior royals to play a role that allows them more freedom to travel and to pursue individual goals. It isn't an unreasonable desire especially given the nastiness of the tabloids which apparently are very different even from the US. Even without that there is no reason their lives should be so closely managed by others. 

They are splitting their time not moving here full-time. The Governor General is appointed by the Prime Minister and it is a limited term so William could eventually be fired and we would need a full-time GG. We certainly don't need a King of Canada. 

As things stand the GG is basically a rubber stamp with residual powers that could be used under extreme circumstances. For the most part it is a ceremonial position many would like to eliminate. We don't because it would be complicated because we don't want both a PM and a President. Given that it is purely ceremonial we leave it alone.

They don't need "jobs" to work and they don't need to work although they want to. Meghan is a feminist with a strong interest and involvement with women's organizations. It's commendable that she is helping these organizations gain more recognition. 

Like it or not they have already burnished Canada's reputation on the world stange by choosing to be here part-time. It probably does have a monetary benefit that would be difficult to calculate. 

They (and William/Kate) have trademarked a list of categories of products.

William and Harry personally inherited from Diana and Prince Charles has a huge personal income from the Duchy of Cornwall. 

They are refusing income from the sovereign fund which comes from taxpayers.

The senior royal family is personally extremely wealthy. Imagine how quickly you could become wealthy if the country were covering the cost of your homes, servants, and living expenses. 

The writing has been on the wall for royals for centuries. I have no doubt at all that they have protected themselves financially through diverse investments. 

Sean in Ottawa

We are caught up with debating whether a particular priviliged couple should be able to be here. I think that we have fallen for their priviliged status becuase what makes them more interesting to discuss than any other home grown or imported rich person?

I think we should welcome them with a good estate tax on all people of their wealth and watch their reaction.

Pondering

We Can't tax them. They have not applied for citizenship to my knowledge. Not even permanent residency. They are just rich people that plan to live in Canada part-time. 

They should pay their own security. 

Bacchus

Pondering wrote:

Left Turn wrote:
It comes across to me as though the Queen isn't happy about Meghan and Harry wanting to reduce the number of public events they attend in an official capacity as members of the Royal Family.

I agree, but if the Queen and Prince Charles and Duke William don't like publicity then they should have simply supported Harry and Meghan's desire to step back from full-time senior royals to play a role that allows them more freedom to travel and to pursue individual goals. It isn't an unreasonable desire especially given the nastiness of the tabloids which apparently are very different even from the US. Even without that there is no reason their lives should be so closely managed by others. 

They are splitting their time not moving here full-time. The Governor General is appointed by the Prime Minister and it is a limited term so William could eventually be fired and we would need a full-time GG. We certainly don't need a King of Canada. 

As things stand the GG is basically a rubber stamp with residual powers that could be used under extreme circumstances. For the most part it is a ceremonial position many would like to eliminate. We don't because it would be complicated because we don't want both a PM and a President. Given that it is purely ceremonial we leave it alone.

They don't need "jobs" to work and they don't need to work although they want to. Meghan is a feminist with a strong interest and involvement with women's organizations. It's commendable that she is helping these organizations gain more recognition. 

Like it or not they have already burnished Canada's reputation on the world stange by choosing to be here part-time. It probably does have a monetary benefit that would be difficult to calculate. 

They (and William/Kate) have trademarked a list of categories of products.

William and Harry personally inherited from Diana and Prince Charles has a huge personal income from the Duchy of Cornwall. 

They are refusing income from the sovereign fund which comes from taxpayers.

The senior royal family is personally extremely wealthy. Imagine how quickly you could become wealthy if the country were covering the cost of your homes, servants, and living expenses. 

The writing has been on the wall for royals for centuries. I have no doubt at all that they have protected themselves financially through diverse investments. 

It is a myth that the country pays for their stuff. Some they pay for themselves directly and others from the gov't list which is funded by property and investments of the Royals, not the taxpayer

Security though, is a separate line item the government does pay for

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

We Can't tax them. They have not applied for citizenship to my knowledge. Not even permanent residency. They are just rich people that plan to live in Canada part-time. 

They should pay their own security. 

that should be fixed.