What The "Do Nothing" Obama Has Accomplished That We Choose To Ignore Or Fail To Acknowledge

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There is a rising chorus of impatient progressive bloggers, some on these pages, calling Obama a failure and a do-nothing president only nine months into his first of four years as president. SNL's "do-nothing skit" on Obama may well have empowered some on our side to start playing on the fringes of the Limbaugh sandbox. While the charges and name-calling are not as vicious as the Limbaugh Lemmings, it has started nonetheless.

So what has our newly-minted asshole president been doing for nine months?

Let's start with what he has not done. He has not found a cure for cancer, reversed climate change, ended poverty, brought peace to the Middle East, ended all wars, created enough new jobs, or created a single-payer healthcare system. These are big ticket items that no president will ever accomplish, so it is a little disingenuous to suggest a standard for Obama that does not apply to all past presidents or to future presidents. As Princeton economics professor Alan Blinder says in assessing what Obama has accomplished so far, "If he seems to have achieved little, it's partly because he set out to do too much." To which I would add, and we created an unrealistic agenda for what we wanted him to accomplish.

Let's continue with what he has done. First and foremost, none other than theWall Street Journal, in an assessment titled, "Democrats Quiet Changes Pile Up", says he has accomplished more in nine months than George Bush did in his first nine months.

Let's be specific:

1. Significantly, he buried the Imperial Presidency of George Bush and restored the Constitutional balance of government by respecting the equal standing of the legislative branch of government. As a former constitutional law professor, this is a major matter of change of tone and style that he promised during the campaign, and he has delivered. (Not pretty or necessarily effective given the Reid-less leadership in the Senate, but we are a constitutional democracy.)

2. Passed and signed the stimulus package, the biggest piece of legislation--ever--in blinding speed, thus being able to start to stabilize the economy, with GDP now projected to grow at the rate of 3 percent by the end of the year. Check the comeback of your 401K since Obama has taken over.

3. Stabilized the top 20 banks without federalizing them.

4. Reduced the rate of foreclosures inherited from the Bush administration.

5. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that makes it easier to sue for wage discrimination, a dramatic reversal of the bill's fortunes under Bush.

6. Granted regulatory power to the FDA to control tobacco products, another dramatic reversal of the Bush years that industry has lobbied hard to prevent.

7. Signed the Matthew Shepard Hate Act that expanded federal hate crime protection to categories of sexual orientation and gender, to the major consternation of the Religious Right.

8. Killed the F-22 fighter jet program, a popular program with Congress, saving billions of dollars.

9. With a stroke of a pen, enacted, by executive order, (see correction below in comments, it was a bill signing) the largest conservation measure in 15 years, spanning the Bush and Clinton records.

10. Implement an electronic medical record system before any healthcare legislation was introduced. This new technology will be singularly responsible for saving lives and reducing the high administrative costs of healthcare, a key element of reform.

11. Extended a $2500 tax credit to 5 million families to help with college tuition.

12. Cooperated with Japan in bringing a $5 billion stabilization package for Pakistan.

13. Engaged the Muslim world in a dialogue, beginning with his unprecedented speech in Cairo, followed by an interview with Al Arabiya, and face-to-face discussions with Iran, a total reversal of the Bush years of Muslim baiting and hate.

14. Dramatically reversed the reputation of the United States around the world, with now most nations looking favorably on the US, and receiving the Nobel Peace Prize as one consequence.

15. Agreed to plan for bringing the troops home from Iraq, at a slower pace than what he promised, but based on knowledge that commanders-in-chief, not candidates, have.

16. Brought the White House online, doing for the White House what he had done for political campaigning. There are now online Q&A's with the administration, and a White House blog.

17. Released the names of all visitors to the White House, a total reversal of the secret Bush years.

18. Told Mexico that the US is responsible for some of their drug problems, a no small, but truthful admission.

19. Restored the rights of states to regulate the medical use of marijuana without fear of federal law enforcement intrusion.

20. Banned the use of torture, and he has begun a complete review of the torture policies under Bush.

21. Appointed the first Latina to the Supremes: Imagine what would have happened to the Supreme Court under four more years of radical Republicans. Obama has thus averted a long-term dramatic swing to the extreme right on the court, and appointed a progressive to keep matters in check.

In summary, and to those on these pages and elsewhere who see things differently, I say this feels a little like Waiting for Godot. Let's recall one thing that Samuel Beckett said in the mischievous play: 

"The tears of the world are a constant quantity. For each one who begins to weep somewhere else another stops. The same is true of the laugh. Let us not then speak ill of our generation, it is not any unhappier than its predecessors. Let us not speak well of it either. Let us not speak of it at all. It is true the population has increased."

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Sky Captain wrote:

 

So what has our newly-minted asshole president been doing for nine months?

Let's start with what he has not done. He has not found a cure for cancer, reversed climate change, ended poverty, brought peace to the Middle East, ended all wars, created enough new jobs, or created a single-payer healthcare system.

LOL... You left out swim down to the bottom of the Deep Water Horizon well and plug it up with his bare hands...Wink

 

NorthReport

 

 

We know what Obama has done to reign in the rich cats, Wall Street, etc., which is basically zilch, but please tell us again what Obama has done for organized labour and the unemployed.  

 

 

Mayberry Machiavellis: Obama Political Team Handcuffing Recovery

 

You're doing one heck of a job Barack.

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Figures that somebody would not believe what's written, despite it being written by a fellow progressive. But what else is new at Rabble?

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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sky Captain wrote:

 

 

So what has our newly-minted asshole president been doing for nine months?

 

Let's start with what he has not done. He has not found a cure for cancer, reversed climate change, ended poverty, brought peace to the Middle East, ended all wars, created enough new jobs, or created a single-payer healthcare system.

LOL... You left out swim down to the bottom of the Deep Water Horizon well and plug it up with his bare hands...Wink

 

 

Well, he's not Superman, after all.Wink

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One more good thing I wanted to say that Obama has done:

US Commits Nearly $2 Billion to Two Solar Power Companies

Two solar energy companies are looking to expand with the help of nearly $2 billion in new financing through the US Recovery Act, President Barack Obama announced over the weekend.

During his weekly address, Obama said the Department of Energy would provide $1.45 billion in conditional commitment funds to Abengoa Solar, as well as additional funding to Abound Solar Manufacturing for three massive construction projects.

Abengoa Solar plans to build the largest concentrating solar plants in the world in Arizona. When completed, the 250-megawatt facility known as Solana is expected to provide enough clean energy to power 70,000 homes.

“After years of watching companies build things and create jobs overseas, it’s good news that we’ve attracted a company to our shores to build a plant and create jobs right here in America,” Obama said of Abengoa. “In the short term, construction will create approximately 1,600 jobs in Arizona. What’s more, over 70 per cent of the components and products used in construction will be manufactured in the USA, boosting jobs and communities in states up and down the supply chain. Once completed, this plant will be the first large-scale solar plant in the US to actually store the energy it generates for later use — even at night.”

The Solana project will be able to store up to six hours of energy by using molten salt. The strategy will allow the facility to provide power even during cloudy weather and after sunset, enabling it to help meet the summer peak demand.

Meanwhile, Obama continued, Abound Solar “will manufacture advanced solar panels at two new plants, creating more than 2,000 construction jobs and 1,500 permanent jobs. A Colorado plant is already underway, and an Indiana plant will be built in what’s now an empty Chrysler factory. When fully operational, these plants will produce millions of state-of-the-art solar panels each year.”

While acknowledging the severe economic conditions facing many citizens, Obama said such projects can gradually help replace many of the jobs that have been lost in this recession.

“These are just two of the many clean energy investments in the Recovery Act,” he said. “Already, I’ve seen the payoff from these investments. I’ve seen once-shuttered factories humming with new workers who are building solar panels and wind turbines; rolling up their sleeves to help America win the race for the clean energy economy.”

[url=http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2010/07/05/us-commits-2-billion-to-t... Commits Nearly $2 Billion to Two Solar Power Companies[/url]

 

Merowe

Well, I for one am interested in the list SC has posted. I don't count myself an Obama-fan - he's a product of the system after all - but we do focus on the negatives a lot and it must be true that compared to Bush, some actual good is being accomplished under his watch. I'm curious to see just what that is.

josh

"We in the progressive community have projected our own visions onto Barack Obama ever since we first noticed him as a remarkable political novice. It was clear from the 2008 campaign that he was a basically a centrist and seeker of common ground. But sometimes a crisis makes a presidency. And history has seldom delivered a more graphic, teachable crisis than the one that Obama inherited. So we voted our hopes that events could compel Obama to govern as a progressive.

We are still waiting, and we are a cheap date. Throw us a few bones and we brim over with gratitude 

. . . .

But even a dire economic crisis and a Republican blockade of needed remedies have not fundamentally altered the temperament, trajectory, or tactical instincts of this surprisingly aloof president. He has not been willing or able to use his office to move public opinion in a direction that favors more activism. Nor has Obama, for the most part, seized partisan and ideological opportunities that hapless Republicans and clueless corporate executives keep lobbing him like so many high, hanging curve balls."

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/my-private-obama_b_635289.html

kropotkin1951

Sky Captain wrote:

Let's continue with what he has done. First and foremost, none other than theWall Street Journal, in an assessment titled, "Democrats Quiet Changes Pile Up", says he has accomplished more in nine months than George Bush did in his first nine months.

Let's be specific:

1. Significantly, he buried the Imperial Presidency of George Bush and restored the Constitutional balance of government by respecting the equal standing of the legislative branch of government. As a former constitutional law professor, this is a major matter of change of tone and style that he promised during the campaign, and he has delivered. (Not pretty or necessarily effective given the Reid-less leadership in the Senate, but we are a constitutional democracy.)

[I need links for this claim since it is my understanding that he has done the opposite.  I must admit I get that impression from commentators on MSNBC not the Wall Street Journal  I thought he had specifically kept the powers Bush took to himself]

2. Passed and signed the stimulus package, the biggest piece of legislation--ever--in blinding speed, thus being able to start to stabilize the economy, with GDP now projected to grow at the rate of 3 percent by the end of the year. Check the comeback of your 401K since Obama has taken over.

[I am sure the Wall Street Journal supported the bail;out of hedge fund managers]

3. Stabilized the top 20 banks without federalizing them.

[I don't understand the inherent good in this]

4. Reduced the rate of foreclosures inherited from the Bush administration.

[Methinks you are a little early in the back thumping on this one]

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/16/business/la-fi-mortgage-mods17-2...

5. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that makes it easier to sue for wage discrimination, a dramatic reversal of the bill's fortunes under Bush.

[A nice empty gesture.  Exploited workers wil never be able to afford to sue their employers in America's court system that is without even talking about their odds when going against the slap suits etc of the high priced legal talent on hand to keep workers in check]

6. Granted regulatory power to the FDA to control tobacco products, another dramatic reversal of the Bush years that industry has lobbied hard to prevent.

[Good on him a great victory for the people]

7. Signed the Matthew Shepard Hate Act that expanded federal hate crime protection to categories of sexual orientation and gender, to the major consternation of the Religious Right.

[Great as long as one didn't expect him to expand proactive rights instead of defensive ones]

8. Killed the F-22 fighter jet program, a popular program with Congress, saving billions of dollars.

[Is still spending more than even Bush on the military is he not?  You could maybe clarify that.]

9. With a stroke of a pen, enacted, by executive order, (see correction below in comments, it was a bill signing) the largest conservation measure in 15 years, spanning the Bush and Clinton records.

[He should be applauded for this initiative]

10. Implement an electronic medical record system before any healthcare legislation was introduced. This new technology will be singularly responsible for saving lives and reducing the high administrative costs of healthcare, a key element of reform.

[Did he make the insurance companies that rake in billions  every year from denying coverage to sick people pay for it or are all the taxpayers on the hook for this as well i.e. including those who still don't get health coverage?] 

11. Extended a $2500 tax credit to 5 million families to help with college tuition.

[Just South of the border from where I live the University of Washington charges almost $9,000 for tuition for a full year.  Nice that middle class families that can afford to send their kids to university get a bit of a tax break.  

12. Cooperated with Japan in bringing a $5 billion stabilization package for Pakistan.

[ While ordering drones to indiscriminately attack villages in areas where their are resources that belong to the empire]

13. Engaged the Muslim world in a dialogue, beginning with his unprecedented speech in Cairo, followed by an interview with Al Arabiya, and face-to-face discussions with Iran, a total reversal of the Bush years of Muslim baiting and hate.

[With Israel it adopts a war footing off of the Iranian coastline. Some reversal]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19823

14. Dramatically reversed the reputation of the United States around the world, with now most nations looking favorably on the US, and receiving the Nobel Peace Prize as one consequence.

[Please provide links to the studies that show this great reversal.  Start with the studies from places like Afghanistan and Pakistan and Iran and Palestine and Somalia.  What do the people who are having their families killed from a far think of the new nicer Pax Americana]

15. Agreed to plan for bringing the troops home from Iraq, at a slower pace than what he promised, but based on knowledge that commanders-in-chief, not candidates, have.

[Agrees to leaving a permanent garrison to protect the imperial interest.]

16. Brought the White House online, doing for the White House what he had done for political campaigning. There are now online Q&A's with the administration, and a White House blog.

[Very impressive use of technology]

17. Released the names of all visitors to the White House, a total reversal of the secret Bush years.

[I agree this is one of the major progressive steps he has taken.]

18. Told Mexico that the US is responsible for some of their drug problems, a no small, but truthful admission.

[Some LOL And then he sent more guns to the Mexican police to filter down to their allies in the cartels]

19. Restored the rights of states to regulate the medical use of marijuana without fear of federal law enforcement intrusion.

[This is good and commendable]

20. Banned the use of torture, and he has begun a complete review of the torture policies under Bush.

[Is the School of the America's still open under its updated name?  America seems at best to be going back to merely training torturers instead of using American military personal for the actual torture itself.]

21. Appointed the first Latina to the Supremes: Imagine what would have happened to the Supreme Court under four more years of radical Republicans. Obama has thus averted a long-term dramatic swing to the extreme right on the court, and appointed a progressive to keep matters in check.

[she seems like a good appointment]

Obama has done a few things for Americans.  He like all his Presidential predecessors is an American imperialist.  As a non-American I see no good in Pax Americana. 

I took the liberty above to reply to your points that somehow have not convinced me that he is more than marginally better than his predecesor.  In Canadian terms it would be like replacing Harpo with Iggy.  Somewhat better but still not a progressive.

NorthReport

What I particularly like about Obama is the leadership he has shown around ending the war in Afghanistan. 

NorthReport

Out-Republicaning 
Obama revives Clinton's triangulation strategy

 

http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/out-republicaning/Content?oid=1549215

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sky Captain wrote:

Let's continue with what he has done. First and foremost, none other than theWall Street Journal, in an assessment titled, "Democrats Quiet Changes Pile Up", says he has accomplished more in nine months than George Bush did in his first nine months.

Let's be specific:

1. Significantly, he buried the Imperial Presidency of George Bush and restored the Constitutional balance of government by respecting the equal standing of the legislative branch of government. As a former constitutional law professor, this is a major matter of change of tone and style that he promised during the campaign, and he has delivered. (Not pretty or necessarily effective given the Reid-less leadership in the Senate, but we are a constitutional democracy.)

[I need links for this claim since it is my understanding that he has done the opposite.  I must admit I get that impression from commentators on MSNBC not the Wall Street Journal  I thought he had specifically kept the powers Bush took to himself]

2. Passed and signed the stimulus package, the biggest piece of legislation--ever--in blinding speed, thus being able to start to stabilize the economy, with GDP now projected to grow at the rate of 3 percent by the end of the year. Check the comeback of your 401K since Obama has taken over.

[I am sure the Wall Street Journal supported the bail-out of hedge fund managers]

3. Stabilized the top 20 banks without federalizing them.

[I don't understand the inherent good in this]

How about, oh, I don't know, not having banks collaspe, personel be put out of work, and people losing what funds they have, maybe?

4. Reduced the rate of foreclosures inherited from the Bush administration.

[Methinks you are a little early in the back thumping on this one]

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/16/business/la-fi-mortgage-mods17-2...

5. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that makes it easier to sue for wage discrimination, a dramatic reversal of the bill's fortunes under Bush.

[A nice empty gesture.  Exploited workers wil never be able to afford to sue their employers in America's court system that is without even talking about their odds when going against the slap suits etc of the high priced legal talent on hand to keep workers in check]

That's what legal organizations are for.

6. Granted regulatory power to the FDA to control tobacco products, another dramatic reversal of the Bush years that industry has lobbied hard to prevent.

[Good on him a great victory for the people]

7. Signed the Matthew Shepard Hate Act that expanded federal hate crime protection to categories of sexual orientation and gender, to the major consternation of the Religious Right.

[Great as long as one didn't expect him to expand proactive rights instead of defensive ones]

How proactive do you expect them to be? And, aren't you the ones that resent the excessive power LEO's have?

8. Killed the F-22 fighter jet program, a popular program with Congress, saving billions of dollars.

[Is still spending more than even Bush on the military is he not?  You could maybe clarify that.]

Getting rid of an expensive figghter jet no one needs is better than continuing on with it in the first place.

 

9. With a stroke of a pen, enacted, by executive order, (see correction below in comments, it was a bill signing) the largest conservation measure in 15 years, spanning the Bush and Clinton records.

[He should be applauded for this initiative]

Glad to see that you agree.

 

10. Implement an electronic medical record system before any healthcare legislation was introduced. This new technology will be singularly responsible for saving lives and reducing the high administrative costs of healthcare, a key element of reform.

[Did he make the insurance companies that rake in billions  every year from denying coverage to sick people pay for it or are all the taxpayers on the hook for this as well i.e. including those who still don't get health coverage?] 

The ones that pay taxes are getting their money's worth from such a procedure-something that we might be able to consider here in Canada as well, to reduce wait times.

11. Extended a $2500 tax credit to 5 million families to help with college tuition.

[Just South of the border from where I live the University of Washington charges almost $9,000 for tuition for a full year.  Nice that middle class families that can afford to send their kids to university get a bit of a tax break.  

Again, glad that you agree.

12. Cooperated with Japan in bringing a $5 billion stabilization package for Pakistan.

[ While ordering drones to indiscriminately attack villages in areas where their are resources that belong to the empire]

Yes, not a good idea, and it should stop, but why not also focus on what the terrorists do too? Also, what about the ending of all the influence radical Muslim fundementalists have on the people of Pakistan by providing such monies?

13. Engaged the Muslim world in a dialogue, beginning with his unprecedented speech in Cairo, followed by an interview with Al Arabiya, and face-to-face discussions with Iran, a total reversal of the Bush years of Muslim baiting and hate.

[With Israel it adopts a war footing off of the Iranian coastline. Some reversal]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19823

One can't end all of what the Repulicians did overnight; but of course, you have a magical solution to said problems? A start is something after all this time. And what have you to say about the toughness of his engagement with Netanyheu?

14. Dramatically reversed the reputation of the United States around the world, with now most nations looking favorably on the US, and receiving the Nobel Peace Prize as one consequence.

[Please provide links to the studies that show this great reversal.  Start with the studies from places like Afghanistan and Pakistan and Iran and Palestine and Somalia.  What do the people who are having their families killed from a far think of the new nicer Pax Americana]

Why not stop being a cynical curmendergeon, and accept small victories? Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah, I forget, not in the make up of people around here regarding Americans.

15. Agreed to plan for bringing the troops home from Iraq, at a slower pace than what he promised, but based on knowledge that commanders-in-chief, not candidates, have.

[Agrees to leaving a permanent garrison to protect the imperial interest.]

As I said, small victories. People can alawys get pissy and vote out the GOP members responsible for keeping said garrison going in midterm elections, thus ending the war completely.

16. Brought the White House online, doing for the White House what he had done for political campaigning. There are now online Q&A's with the administration, and a White House blog.

[Very impressive use of technology]

17. Released the names of all visitors to the White House, a total reversal of the secret Bush years.

[I agree this is one of the major progressive steps he has taken.]

18. Told Mexico that the US is responsible for some of their drug problems, a no small, but truthful admission.

[Some LOL And then he sent more guns to the Mexican police to filter down to their allies in the cartels]

Oh, and I guess that he can send SHIELD down to Mexico and wipe them out completely? The Jedi Knights? UNCLE? JLA?

19. Restored the rights of states to regulate the medical use of marijuana without fear of federal law enforcement intrusion.

[This is good and commendable]

20. Banned the use of torture, and he has begun a complete review of the torture policies under Bush.

[Is the School of the America's still open under its updated name?  America seems at best to be going back to merely training torturers instead of using American military personal for the actual torture itself.]

21. Appointed the first Latina to the Supremes: Imagine what would have happened to the Supreme Court under four more years of radical Republicans. Obama has thus averted a long-term dramatic swing to the extreme right on the court, and appointed a progressive to keep matters in check.

[she seems like a good appointment]

Obama has done a few things for Americans.  He like all his Presidential predecessors is an American imperialist.  As a non-American I see no good in Pax Americana. 

I took the liberty above to reply to your points that somehow have not convinced me that he is more than marginally better than his predecesor.  In Canadian terms it would be like replacing Harpo with Iggy.  Somewhat better but still not a progressive.

Because if Americans had been voting for Ralph Nader (ignoring that fact that his election might have stolen away votes from Obama, thereby ensuring a McCain-Palin win and even more shit happening than under Bush Jr.) everything would somehow be hunky-dory. Amazing how reality NEVER seems to filter down to some people, let alone how hard it is to please them.

kropotkin1951

I am not "some people" if you quote me and then lay on the insults.  No reality ever filters down to me and I am hard to please.  Apparently this is the best response you can make to a well thought out post that even praised Obama at various points.  Did you even read my post before you decided I should be insulted?

I watched a show just the other day on MSNBC where they showed on a nice graph showing the public policy of the Presidents since WWII.  I agree with their analysis that Obama in policy terms is a right wing President even compared to Reagan.  Your political system is a cesspool that only elects people beholding to the moneyed elite.  What do you expect when you allow your elections and politicians to be bought and sold?  

I like the idea of requiring American elected officials to dress like NASCAR drivers.  That way we could see who owns their votes by the prominence of the corporate logos on thier uniforms.  You are right that Obama is better than some of the alternatives buyt that is a function of your corrupt and undemocratic system.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

I am not "some people" if you quote me and then lay on the insults.  No reality ever filters down to me and I am hard to please.  Apparently this is the best response you can make to a well thought out post that even praised Obama at various points.  Did you even read my post before you decided I should be insulted?

I watched a show just the other day on MSNBC where they showed on a nice graph showing the public policy of the Presidents since WWII.  I agree with their analysis that Obama in policy terms is a right wing President even compared to Reagan.  Your political system is a cesspool that only elects people beholding to the moneyed elite.  What do you expect when you allow your elections and politicians to be bought and sold?  

I like the idea of requiring American elected officials to dress like NASCAR drivers.  That way we could see who owns their votes by the prominence of the corporate logos on thier uniforms.  You are right that Obama is better than some of the alternatives buyt that is a function of your corrupt and undemocratic system.

FWIW, I'm not an American, but a Canadian, born here in Toronto. And I just got tired of all of the Obama-bashing, which sounds like and comes close to racism most of the time. I think that it is time the right and the left try to step down from their extreme dogmatic positions and try to be a bit open minded as to solving problems, and realize that not every problem is going to be solved the way they want, nor can it be done lieckety-split, either. It's only one year into the four year term of this man, and both sides are bashing him to death for not being what they want him to be (at least the left is.)

But something tells me that what's wanted here is the death of the United States. and the elimination of all Americans-am I right? Please let me know.

kropotkin1951

Sky Captain wrote:

But something tells me that what's wanted here is the death of the United States. and the elimination of all Americans-am I right? Please let me know.

Usually I just stick to calling for the murder of all jews but maybe I should include killing all Americans  Any other particularly nasty ideas you want to attribute to me?

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No, not really, and not as much as you seem to attribute to Obama. But, I guess that proves the original author's point(s) for him.

Slumberjack

Sky Captain wrote:
And I just got tired of all of the Obama-bashing, which sounds like and comes close to racism most of the time...

Same goes for all of the Israeli government bashers with their fig leaf criticisms eh?

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But something tells me that what's wanted here is the death of the United States. and the elimination of all Americans-am I right?

Yeah, with the plot to naturalize millions of undocumented low wage migrant workers, having the current residents declared superfulous to the requirements of capital can't be that far off.  You shouldn't expect leftists to take the rap though.

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Slumberjack wrote:

Sky Captain wrote:
And I just got tired of all of the Obama-bashing, which sounds like and comes close to racism most of the time...

Same goes for all of the Israeli government bashers with their fig leaf criticisms eh?

Quote:
But something tells me that what's wanted here is the death of the United States. and the elimination of all Americans-am I right?

Yeah, with the plot to naturalize millions of undocumented low wage migrant workers, having the current residents declared superfulous to the requirements of capital can't be that far off.  You shouldn't expect leftists to take the rap though.

No, but I do expect the left to be different from the right in the way that it assesses people and events. All I see here, however, is the same kind of extremist wingnut behaviour as on the right, but being practisced by the left, with withering anger and sneering discourse towards anybody who tries to be or sound reasonable about politics and other social issues. To an outsider from another planet, both people would sound and look the same. And this human being would have to agree with them.

Jingles

The list is complete bollocks, of course. Obama is out-Bushing Bush in most every way that matters, despite a few token crumbs thrown to the identity politic "left" and the envirocapitalists.

What's interesting to me is how hard Obama supporters are grasping to rationalize the huge mistake they made by voting for such a con man. He's everything they hate, but they cannot bring themselves to accept the truth that they were played for giant suckers.

Doesn't matter, though. In 2010, they'll do it all over again because the alternative is woooooooorrrrrrssssseee!!!! Look out! It's Palin/Bachmann!!!.

al-Qa'bong

Why shouldn't leftists be critical of Obama?  He isn't one of us, but is a corporatist right-winger.

Not only that:

Quote:

After his government killed nine people, including one U.S. citizen, on that Gaza relief ship, Benjamin Netanyahu might have expected a chilly reception in Washington.

And after approving more Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem, in flagrant defiance of the Obama administration, Netanyahu didn't deserve the red carpet treatment.

But that's what he got-and more, as Obama gushed all over him, praising him as someone "willing to take risks for peace" and praising Israel for showing "restraint" in recent months.

Obama didn't offer a word on the need to permanently halt settlements on the West Bank, much less on the need to dismantle those settlements.

 

The Progressive

Slumberjack

Sky Captain wrote:
 But something tells me that what's wanted here is the death of the United States. and the elimination of all Americans-am I right?

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All I see here, however, is the same kind of extremist wingnut behaviour as on the right, but being practisced by the left, with withering anger and sneering discourse towards anybody who tries to be or sound reasonable about politics and other social issues.

It's simply because there's much to sneer about.

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Jingles wrote:

The list is complete bollocks, of course. Obama is out-Bushing Bush in most every way that matters, despite a few token crumbs thrown to the identity politic "left" and the envirocapitalists.

What's interesting to me is how hard Obama supporters are grasping to rationalize the huge mistake they made by voting for such a con man. He's everything they hate, but they cannot bring themselves to accept the truth that they were played for giant suckers.

Doesn't matter, though. In 2010, they'll do it all over again because the alternative is woooooooorrrrrrssssseee!!!! Look out! It's Palin/Bachmann!!!.

 

Oh yeah, because anybody who dares list anything positive of the American President here at Rabble is a know-nothing envirocapatalist and a dunce.

And we have another winner in the 'I didn't read the article' contest, or at least a runner-up! Who do you think was opposing Obama in the election, Clark Kent? It was a Vietnam War burnout case and a nutcase-if both had been elected, the world would have been worse! But rather than realise that it will take time to fix America's problems as well as the world's, and that we just dodged a bullet by electing this man, the only thing everybody can do is bitch like big babies needing their bottles or their diapers changed! This is what mature adults do when things aren't going their own way? Cry like babies and sulk? No wonder being a leader is hell.

b star

JINGLES: You got it!  You bet that Obama ain't what "we" had hoped for!!!!  Well "we" - not me!  I was in the U.S. during the Primaries and I felt I saw through the dude at the onset!  Michelle and Barack are the darlings of those who want princes and princesses - the Kennedy/Grace Kelly Brigade.  People who live in illusion and denial!  The Obamas are more than comfy in Washington - the very community the O's swore they was AGAINST and, in fact, DISGUSTED with, folks.  He is 'dancing with the stars' with his prop: Michelle, every step of the way.  They love Washington and all the parties!  Hey - Obama gifted Michelle with a trip to New York early into his Presidency when all of Broadway was HALTED because he and Michelle were a-comin' into town.  They wanted to see a Broadway Play.  The money that was spent on security to get them to that play and their 5 Star Hotel was enormous, not so speak of the way they flew in to town!!!!  But - hey - they can relate to the 'regular people' right? WRONG!  They are part and parcel of the Chicago Gang. 

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Hey Sky Captain.

Sky Captain wrote:
 All I see here, however, is the same kind of extremist wingnut behaviour as on the right, but being practisced by the left,  /quote

Describing all of babble, or certain select people who you disagree with as having "wingnut behaviour" is rude. I strongly suggest you focus on the argument and not insults. 'Kay?

Michelle

Sky Captain wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Sky Captain wrote:

Let's continue with what he has done. First and foremost, none other than theWall Street Journal, in an assessment titled, "Democrats Quiet Changes Pile Up", says he has accomplished more in nine months than George Bush did in his first nine months.

Let's be specific:

1. Significantly, he buried the Imperial Presidency of George Bush and restored the Constitutional balance of government by respecting the equal standing of the legislative branch of government. As a former constitutional law professor, this is a major matter of change of tone and style that he promised during the campaign, and he has delivered. (Not pretty or necessarily effective given the Reid-less leadership in the Senate, but we are a constitutional democracy.)

[I need links for this claim since it is my understanding that he has done the opposite.  I must admit I get that impression from commentators on MSNBC not the Wall Street Journal  I thought he had specifically kept the powers Bush took to himself]

2. Passed and signed the stimulus package, the biggest piece of legislation--ever--in blinding speed, thus being able to start to stabilize the economy, with GDP now projected to grow at the rate of 3 percent by the end of the year. Check the comeback of your 401K since Obama has taken over.

[I am sure the Wall Street Journal supported the bail-out of hedge fund managers]

3. Stabilized the top 20 banks without federalizing them.

[I don't understand the inherent good in this]

How about, oh, I don't know, not having banks collaspe, personel be put out of work, and people losing what funds they have, maybe?

4. Reduced the rate of foreclosures inherited from the Bush administration.

[Methinks you are a little early in the back thumping on this one]

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/16/business/la-fi-mortgage-mods17-2...

5. Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that makes it easier to sue for wage discrimination, a dramatic reversal of the bill's fortunes under Bush.

[A nice empty gesture.  Exploited workers wil never be able to afford to sue their employers in America's court system that is without even talking about their odds when going against the slap suits etc of the high priced legal talent on hand to keep workers in check]

That's what legal organizations are for.

6. Granted regulatory power to the FDA to control tobacco products, another dramatic reversal of the Bush years that industry has lobbied hard to prevent.

[Good on him a great victory for the people]

7. Signed the Matthew Shepard Hate Act that expanded federal hate crime protection to categories of sexual orientation and gender, to the major consternation of the Religious Right.

[Great as long as one didn't expect him to expand proactive rights instead of defensive ones]

How proactive do you expect them to be? And, aren't you the ones that resent the excessive power LEO's have?

8. Killed the F-22 fighter jet program, a popular program with Congress, saving billions of dollars.

[Is still spending more than even Bush on the military is he not?  You could maybe clarify that.]

Getting rid of an expensive figghter jet no one needs is better than continuing on with it in the first place.

 

9. With a stroke of a pen, enacted, by executive order, (see correction below in comments, it was a bill signing) the largest conservation measure in 15 years, spanning the Bush and Clinton records.

[He should be applauded for this initiative]

Glad to see that you agree.

 

10. Implement an electronic medical record system before any healthcare legislation was introduced. This new technology will be singularly responsible for saving lives and reducing the high administrative costs of healthcare, a key element of reform.

[Did he make the insurance companies that rake in billions  every year from denying coverage to sick people pay for it or are all the taxpayers on the hook for this as well i.e. including those who still don't get health coverage?] 

The ones that pay taxes are getting their money's worth from such a procedure-something that we might be able to consider here in Canada as well, to reduce wait times.

11. Extended a $2500 tax credit to 5 million families to help with college tuition.

[Just South of the border from where I live the University of Washington charges almost $9,000 for tuition for a full year.  Nice that middle class families that can afford to send their kids to university get a bit of a tax break.  

Again, glad that you agree.

12. Cooperated with Japan in bringing a $5 billion stabilization package for Pakistan.

[ While ordering drones to indiscriminately attack villages in areas where their are resources that belong to the empire]

Yes, not a good idea, and it should stop, but why not also focus on what the terrorists do too? Also, what about the ending of all the influence radical Muslim fundementalists have on the people of Pakistan by providing such monies?

13. Engaged the Muslim world in a dialogue, beginning with his unprecedented speech in Cairo, followed by an interview with Al Arabiya, and face-to-face discussions with Iran, a total reversal of the Bush years of Muslim baiting and hate.

[With Israel it adopts a war footing off of the Iranian coastline. Some reversal]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19823

One can't end all of what the Repulicians did overnight; but of course, you have a magical solution to said problems? A start is something after all this time. And what have you to say about the toughness of his engagement with Netanyheu?

14. Dramatically reversed the reputation of the United States around the world, with now most nations looking favorably on the US, and receiving the Nobel Peace Prize as one consequence.

[Please provide links to the studies that show this great reversal.  Start with the studies from places like Afghanistan and Pakistan and Iran and Palestine and Somalia.  What do the people who are having their families killed from a far think of the new nicer Pax Americana]

Why not stop being a cynical curmendergeon, and accept small victories? Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah, I forget, not in the make up of people around here regarding Americans.

15. Agreed to plan for bringing the troops home from Iraq, at a slower pace than what he promised, but based on knowledge that commanders-in-chief, not candidates, have.

[Agrees to leaving a permanent garrison to protect the imperial interest.]

As I said, small victories. People can alawys get pissy and vote out the GOP members responsible for keeping said garrison going in midterm elections, thus ending the war completely.

16. Brought the White House online, doing for the White House what he had done for political campaigning. There are now online Q&A's with the administration, and a White House blog.

[Very impressive use of technology]

17. Released the names of all visitors to the White House, a total reversal of the secret Bush years.

[I agree this is one of the major progressive steps he has taken.]

18. Told Mexico that the US is responsible for some of their drug problems, a no small, but truthful admission.

[Some LOL And then he sent more guns to the Mexican police to filter down to their allies in the cartels]

Oh, and I guess that he can send SHIELD down to Mexico and wipe them out completely? The Jedi Knights? UNCLE? JLA?

19. Restored the rights of states to regulate the medical use of marijuana without fear of federal law enforcement intrusion.

[This is good and commendable]

20. Banned the use of torture, and he has begun a complete review of the torture policies under Bush.

[Is the School of the America's still open under its updated name?  America seems at best to be going back to merely training torturers instead of using American military personal for the actual torture itself.]

21. Appointed the first Latina to the Supremes: Imagine what would have happened to the Supreme Court under four more years of radical Republicans. Obama has thus averted a long-term dramatic swing to the extreme right on the court, and appointed a progressive to keep matters in check.

[she seems like a good appointment]

Obama has done a few things for Americans.  He like all his Presidential predecessors is an American imperialist.  As a non-American I see no good in Pax Americana. 

I took the liberty above to reply to your points that somehow have not convinced me that he is more than marginally better than his predecesor.  In Canadian terms it would be like replacing Harpo with Iggy.  Somewhat better but still not a progressive.

Because if Americans had been voting for Ralph Nader (ignoring that fact that his election might have stolen away votes from Obama, thereby ensuring a McCain-Palin win and even more shit happening than under Bush Jr.) everything would somehow be hunky-dory. Amazing how reality NEVER seems to filter down to some people, let alone how hard it is to please them.

I don't have anything important to say. I just thought I'd be the next person to quote a 10 page scrolling post and then type a two sentence response.

b star

Someone here commented that Obama is simply a "product of the system after all".  So am I.  So are we all, after all.  So are the police officers involved in the G8/G20 horror that occurred recently.  So is Harper and the Premier of the Province of Ontario.  Some of us collude and some of us do not and many pay a big price for not colluding with evil.  But whenever we do refuse to collude, we have what is called Integrity, Accountability and Responsibility and love of 'thy neighbour'.  We have ALL been a "product of the system" and we must ALL make choices every day of our lives and those choices matter.  They (our choices) are who we are as our choices depict who we are when push comes to shove.  All of us, whether in positions of 'power' (truly - weakness) or in any position at all, must make individual choices that matter each and every day. Our individual choices count, they have a ripple effect.  We do not have to be 'heroes' in the media, politics, journalissm: left/right/center: WE ALL COUNT!  Every act of integrity is considered a heroic act simply  because the system is against such acts and it does take courage to speak out, to speak against ANY kind of injustice in our daily lives.  It is considered "heroic" because so many abdicate that responsability.  Otherwise, it would be simply the decent thing to do! Nothing heroic about being decent!  It ought to be the norm but unfortunately, it isn't.

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Nothing heroic about voting and being patient, and having realistic expectations, as well. Except that people don't really have that quality anymore, either. All thy have is instant gratification-left, right, and center. And nowhere has this been evident than in the way Obama's been regarded these past few months.

But like I said above, what else is new? 

kropotkin1951

Been voting for nearly 40 years and have volunteered in most elections. I have seen every single social program my parents' generation built going backwards for at least 25 of those years. I am losing patience. So realistically how many generations will it take for the pendulum to start swinging back.  I wouldn't want to have unrealistic expectations. 

b star

kropotkin 1951 I certainly can understand your feelings.  It is disheartening to see progressive social programs fall to the wayside by government leaders who simply do not care about such things.  Social programs are the first to go when ruthless politicians are voted in.  At times, such leaders are voted in because there isn't much of an alternative and also because ruthless people often lie to the public when they are running.  Gordie Campbell on the West Coast blatantly lied that the HST would not be put forward if he was elected.  He was elected and the HST is now in place!  Many people simply do not vote anymore because they feel so disheartened.  However, we see that when people band together at times and fight long enough for what they want, they get it. It is a long haul, I know.  I was astounded that so many people continued to vote for this guy.  I had thought that a lesson had been learned looking at his feeble record and the hardship he has caused so many people in B.C.  But here he is yet again cutting social programs and having a ball at the Olympic Games recently! It is sickening. We can only forge on and keep voting for the lesser ruthless, speak on when called upon to do so, join with those who truly want change that will enhance our lives as a population.

Uncle John

Michelle

LOL Smile

Jingles

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But rather than realise that it will take time to fix America's problems as well as the world's, and that we just dodged a bullet by electing this man, the only thing everybody can do is bitch like big babies needing their bottles or their diapers changed! 

What bullet did you dodge? Endless war? Torture? A complete economic collapse? US Navy carrier task forces in the Persian Gulf with Israeli submarines to rain hellfire on Iran? Terrorist drone attacks against Pakistani civilians? A unitary executive branch that claims the right to assassinate anybody on earth at any time for any reason (including Obamaniacs too, don't forget)? How much worse could McCain/Palin have possibly been? Open up the Gulf of Mexico to deep water drilling with no regulation or oversight?

I especially like the part about solving "the world's" problems...at some undetermined point in the future...maybe...after Obama solves America's problems first, of course. I'm sure he'll get right on that after he bails out the finance capitalists again, or as he put it "next time". He'll have his whole second term to figure all that out, right?

Right?

Doug

Who is more conservative: Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama?

 

It's not Obama's fault for this, it's the political environment. Where he can definitely be faulted is for not trying to change that environment.

kropotkin1951

Doug wrote:

Who is more conservative: Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama?

 

It's not Obama's fault for this, it's the political environment. Where he can definitely be faulted is for not trying to change that environment.

Thanks that is the piece I referred to in Post #12.

It is the fault of all who drank the koolaid of the free market where the rich have unfettered rights so they can lead the deserving to financial wealth. When the left moves right to stay in the middle the middle moves right. This trend mirrors the race to the bottom employees get to play in Right To Work states.  The same dynamic is in play in Canada and it is a mugs game that seems to be working here also. But that is what happens when elections become more important than basic principles in a political party. Once a party tries to follow the polls instead of trying to educate to change the voters views there is no anchor to stop a drift on to the shoals of the discourse put out by the MSM. 

Obama is merely a front man for the empire.  He is a very good orator and he believes America should run the world. I feel sorry for him because it must be hard to be a pro-active change agent and run an imperial empire simultaneously.

b star

Obama had basically been an apologist for BP when the oil disaster occurred.  Remember, he has o.k.'d Offshore Drilling and said at the outset when BP oil hit the fan/water/ecology/killed people: Well as long as they promise us that it won't happen again!!! Was he kidding? No - he simply thought the rest of world was STUPID.  When he got shoved against the wall by so many people and groups who were justifiably furious at the oil disaster and demanded he take a firm stand, he finally said he would "handle it" and speak to BP about it in a forceful manner.  He colluded with BP until push came to shove.  I'd just love to believe that the Messiah hath arrived!  Wouldn't it be nice?  I'd love to live in Paradise too.  I worked for the Democrats during the Primaries while I was in the U.S. as I often am but know what?  They need a whole lot of scrutinizing, to say the least.

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Jingles wrote:

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But rather than realise that it will take time to fix America's problems as well as the world's, and that we just dodged a bullet by electing this man, the only thing everybody can do is bitch like big babies needing their bottles or their diapers changed! 

What bullet did you dodge? Endless war? Torture? A complete economic collapse? US Navy carrier task forces in the Persian Gulf with Israeli submarines to rain hellfire on Iran? Terrorist drone attacks against Pakistani civilians? A unitary executive branch that claims the right to assassinate anybody on earth at any time for any reason (including Obamaniacs too, don't forget)? How much worse could McCain/Palin have possibly been? Open up the Gulf of Mexico to deep water drilling with no regulation or oversight?

I especially like the part about solving "the world's" problems...at some undetermined point in the future...maybe...after Obama solves America's problems first, of course. I'm sure he'll get right on that after he bails out the finance capitalists again, or as he put it "next time". He'll have his whole second term to figure all that out, right?

Right?

You forget, that that was all done on Bush's watch, not Obama's; he will have to clean that up later. Remember, 'first year of a four-year term?' Or are you the type who puts their hands in their ears and goes 'Nunununuhh' when somebody speaks or relates a fact that you can't take?

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Been voting for nearly 40 years and have volunteered in most elections. I have seen every single social program my parents' generation built going backwards for at least 25 of those years. I am losing patience. So realistically how many generations will it take for the pendulum to start swinging back.  I wouldn't want to have unrealistic expectations. 

I don't know, Kropotkin, how many will it take? Creation is harder than destruction, and it will take time to create/rebuild the positive things America had than it did to destroy them. What I do know is that destroying the person who has so far done the positive things he was elected to do is nothing short of arrogance and stupidity. What else people will do is up to them; I hope that they choose to build, rather than destroy. It's all of a choice.

Jingles

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you forget, that that was all done on Bush's watch, not Obama's;

FFS, you're completely delusional.
Everything I've listed is Barry's doing.
How exactly do you deal with the fact that Barry has claimed the right to murder anyone, anywhere, at any time, and for whatever reason he wishes? That's something not even GW dared try.
Enough already. Stop blaming Bush for things that are owned completely by the current executive. Either Obama is the president, wherein all bucks stop, or he's not.
The real sickening thing is how low the democrat supporters are willing to sink to support their guy, simply because he is their guy. I suggest you read some [url=http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com]Silber[/url] to get some perspective on the "facts". But feel free to continue apologizing for and to support a war criminal and mass-murderer. Fill your boots.

Fidel

They're all the same war criminal in Warshington. And our squawking Bay Street parrots in Ottawa sing right along.

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Jingles wrote:
The real sickening thing is how low the democrat supporters are willing to sink to support their guy, simply because he is their guy. I suggest you read some [url=http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com]Silber[/url] to get some perspective on the "facts". But feel free to continue apologizing for and to support a war criminal and mass-murderer. Fill your boots.

No more lower than some of the people on this board supporting a left-wing totalitarian dictator simply because they did some great things, usually because said dictators were the power unto themselves in whatever country they ran. Please be honest about that fact as well first.
Obama's hands are tied by the GOP, and he can't act like a dictator, left or right. There's a bit more complexity to what's going on with him than most people here are willing to address.

George Victor

I agree with the tenor of your argument, SC.   But I have given up trying to bring objectivity to the subject of Barack Hussein Obama, who gets only 10 per cent of the white vote south of the Mason-Dixon, and not a helluva lot more than that in the north in this time of Tea Partying. Hell, I would defend anyone in the face of that level of racism.  Should he have jumped on Wall St.?  Well, I doubt that people depending on their pensions would have enjoyed the destruction of market and greenback, and of course that would have been an impossible act.  But life is too short to engage in subjects like "the role of the market in OUR lives." And until there is willingness hereabouts to admit that it is central to the way we live now - and its destructiion had better be gradual - your defence of the pres. is not about to meet with reasoned opinion.

And I have rooted for Fidel Castro and his people since 1959,  viva la revolution!  :)      I hope that other Latin  American countries can also find the freedom to feed and clothe and educate their children, and find modern medicine for their illnesses...etc.  etc..

500_Apples

Sky Captain wrote:

3. Stabilized the top 20 banks without federalizing them.

This isn't actually a good thing. It means the banks received a subsidy and the government didn't get full value for its dollars.

A lot of things praised in the article praised as progressive actions are actually regressive actions.

DaveW

during the 2008 campaign, I tried to post this, but got shouted down, so here it is again:

Obama is a centrist Democrat:

he campaigned in 2008 as a centrist Democrat (Hillary attacked him from the left on a number of issues in the primaries), he assembled the administration of a centrist Democrat, and his legislative record is that, too  (stabilizing financial sector to avoid a crash redux, bailing out then having auto companies repay bailout, large reform of health coverage, large and steady troop drawdowns in Iraq) of a centrist Democrat

He is not anything else, but half the posts above seem to be "projecting" other things on to him. -- HE IS NOT THOSE THINGS. He is a centrist Democrat.

Prediction: He will be re-elected as such in 2012.

 

Jingles

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Obama's hands are tied by the GOP,

Always making excuses. When Bush faced a Democrat controlled Congress, he didn't blink. He just pushed ahead, and Congress cheered him on.

Obama faces the daunting task of a 60% minority in the House. The new American math.

You don't seem to grasp the fact that their is no real difference between the two parties. They compliment and enable each other, no matter who sits in the White House. Once you get past the partisan bullshit, you can begin to understand what Gore Vidal called the "two branches of the Property Party", and how they work together.

Just as Bush had no intention to recriminalize abortion, Obama has no intention of ending the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, and no interest at all in any real progressive policy. Obama, like Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and all the rest, have nothing but the greatest contempt for the people who support them in the same way a con artist despises his mark. 

If you honestly think that the government of the US, or Canada, or any country for that matter, has any interest in the interests of the people, you must still believe in Santa.

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He is a centrist Democrat.

Which means he is a happy faced fascist rather than a smirking one.

George Victor

Obama a "happy faced fascist"...I would not attempt to ferret out the reasoning here, DW. :)

Jingles

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I would not attempt to ferret out the reasoning here

Of course not. Obamaniacs are incapable of thinking outside of narrow partisan interests and outside of the imperial narrative. In this narrative, the internecine squabbles of differing factions, representing the same interests, become Moments of Great Importance to the History of the World. See the breathless gravitas that met the removal of McCrystal, as if that minor event had implications for the survival of humanity. It is mere Imperial court intrigue that any Byzantine would immediately recognize .

Slumberjack

Always a pleasure to read your take on the issues Jingles.

George Victor

Obamaniacs and happy faced fascists.... what kept you so long from your supportive role for such rational thinking, Sj?  Or does your less than fulsome intervention suggest only the seizing of a simple opportunity to smirk ? (Jeez, I can't resist the opportunity to reply in your more customary tendentious style).

And Jingles, Obama simply fired a bastard who apppeared to have visions of appealing directly to Tea Partyers and who may yet appear as a hard-done-by GOP candidate this fall.  A McArthur who saw no need for a liberal politician intervening between him and his followers. 

You both lack a degree (or three) of political discernment in your own blindly ideological position.

Slumberjack

You shouldn't take my last as a pick and choose indictment of your own contributions to this thread George. It wasn't meant that way at all. But if I were to comment, it might include something to the effect of having no particular issue whatsoever with seeing your bromide laden harangues interspersed among my blind ideological positions.

al-Qa'bong

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Just as Bush had no intention to recriminalize abortion, Obama has no intention of ending the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, and no interest at all in any real progressive policy. Obama, like Bush, and Clinton, and Bush, and Reagan, and all the rest, have nothing but the greatest contempt for the people who support them in the same way a con artist despises his mark. 

If you honestly think that the government of the US, or Canada, or any country for that matter, has any interest in the interests of the people, you must still believe in Santa.

 

Testify, Jingles.

b star

al-Qa'bong: Who could say it better!! Ditto.

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President Obama has supported the coup d'etat that overthrew the democratically elected president of honduras. That country had recently joined ALBA - the Latin american alternative to us led neo-liberal atrocities - and so on. 

us imperialism is us imperialism. that's the essential and critical truth. i dont really see how the rethugnicans would have been different in any substantial way.

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