wikileaks - too good to be true?

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ravenise

pogge wrote:

--the expectations being projected on the leaked documents are simply unrealistic.

--certainly no State Department employee who wants to keep his job is going to write a scathing expose of American foreign policy -- 

That is based on the presumption people actually expect anything sincere from Wikileaks.  That is not to say I expect more from Wikileaks, but I am well aware they will not provide it. Any State Department employee who cares more about their pay cheque than exposing the truth should be fired from the get-go... they are cowards and traitors who are destroying their country and perpetuating the misery, injustice and war crimes abroad. Watch this youtube video, it explains everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIC2BMhE5A

Cueball Cueball's picture

I think he did watch that, and that is why he made his response. I watched it too. It seems pretty naive really. For example, the idea that combat reports from Iraq would give an accurate figure of the number of dead civilians is plainly absurd. Combat reports are official documents, and first and foremost they will cover up any illegal actions by those who write the reports, which is the front line officers.

What they do tell us is that 66,000 civilians have been reported killed by front line officers. That means nothing in terms of an accurate count of the number of civilians killed. So, the fact that this number might not tally with other estimates of war dead that are higher, in no way proves that Wikileaks is giving out disinformation, because the disinformation begins with the first combat report.

What it does tell us is that at least that number of civilians have been killed. And that official number has never been reported. And that is important.

I think the only thing that would satisfy the guy who made that video is a cable that went something like this...

"Herr Rice... I mean Ms. Rice... we can now confirm that our devilish plan to kill Iraqi children through sanctions has wiped out at least a million Iraqis. Muhahhahah! Congratulations all around, I will be sending a carbon copy of this report to our master in Jerusalem."

Zeig Heil 

Operative Goldberg"

Fidel

I think that the wikileaks is a CIA psy-op. There are some juicy tidbits let go of. But all in all there have been more serious leaks by US Government whistleblowers in broad daylight regarding everything from 9/11 cover-ups to state dept officials selling nuclear weapons secrets on the black market. It's old news that has been de-fused and ignored by the corporate sponsored newz media years ago. Instead we are supposed to believe that this is democracy at work.

The US is only playing at democracy. It's not a real one. Not since 1947 with the signing of the National Security Act. The USA has been a military dictatorship ever since. If the former USSR was accused by the USSA of backsliding on democracy, then the USSA is a total authoritarian one-party dictatorship made to appear as two. It's an illusion, and the vast majority of Americans are catching on to US election rigging at home.

 

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ravenise wrote:

 

Is that all you gathered from the movie?  So, what will the U.S. and international intelligence services do about this; zilch and less than zilch? They know which side their bread is buttered on because they helped these psychopaths steal their bread and butter and sell it back to them at twice the price which is still what they can get for you wholesale, somehow and… cheaper than stolen.

 

Look. I could spend a few hours picking apart that video. But the example I gave is just one example of the problems with the logic, and factuality.

You really have high expectations for the intelligence services if you expect them to enforce the law. Get a grip. You seem to be someone who actually expected something from the government of the USA. The government of the USA, the police, the FBI, the intelligence services are corrupt bureaucracies and have been for years. This is not news. They aren't going to arrest anyone, and "Israel made them do it", doesn't cut it with me.

pogge

ravenise wrote:
Zionista, Nazi propagandists own the world media and all the entertainment businesses.

 

We're done here.

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ravenise wrote:
Zionista, Nazi propagandists own the world media and all the entertainment businesses.

 

Huh?  I'm a Nazi propagandist and Zionist?  Wow.  Thanks for letting me know.  It had completely escaped my notice.  Laughing

ravenise

 

Do you actually believe the US would intentionally undermine its own relations in the middle east? Israeli-firsters in the CIA and Pentagon perhaps... but the CIA has been infiltrated and compromised by Israel. Wikileaks has been more productive than local media. And it had been perfectly honestly informative until Zionists took it away and took it over filtering all information. There are many facts that are too late to hide already. Especially the very evident videos of all the war crimes abroad by U.S. and Israel. There is so much more of course... but Zioleaks has since been outed.

 

Israel Spies on the USA Part 1 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

Israel Spies on the USA Part 2 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhAEjSQghj8

Israel Spies on the USA Part 3 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwze5owq4w

Israel Spies on the USA Part 4 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwckJoP7-wg

 

 

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Fidel

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Do you actually believe the US would intentionally undermine its own relations in the middle east?

The NSA and CIA have already produced reports to themselves suggesting that Israel as an Israeli state will become unviable by such and such a date. The writing is on the wall for Israel.

The USA's overall image around the world is that of an increasingly corrupt and lawless nation since 9/11 and the attacks on sovereign countries in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq etc. US hawks are not worried about their own criminal reputations only smearing other nations and creating political chaos. China, Russia, Iran and the BRIC countries are all defending themselves from economic and colder warfare being waged on them by Washington and Wall Street and financial allies on High St etc. These are dangerous times, and I think wikileaks is the least of their worries.

ravenise

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ravenise wrote:
Zionista, Nazi propagandists own the world media and all the entertainment businesses.

“You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache

KenS

Presumably "ravenise" has been flagged.

How about we ignore it until its banned?

pogge

KenS wrote:

Presumably "ravenise" has been flagged.

At least once.

ravenise

Cueball wrote:

ravenise wrote:

 

Is that all you gathered from the movie?  So, what will the U.S. and international intelligence services do about this; zilch and less than zilch? They know which side their bread is buttered on because they helped these psychopaths steal their bread and butter and sell it back to them at twice the price which is still what they can get for you wholesale, somehow and… cheaper than stolen.

 

 

Yo You seem to be someone who actually expected something from the government of the USA. 

-Get a grip

In fact I do!  Speak for yourself cueball... read this before you jump to premature conclusions.  

US Intelligence Thwarted Attack on Iran
http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2010/11/22/us-intelligence-thwarted-attack-on-iran/

Do the math:

"How embarrassing. Here before the world were the key judgments of an NIE, the most authoritative genre of intelligence analysis, unanimously approved “with high confidence” by 16 agencies and signed by the Director of National Intelligence, saying, in effect, that Bush and Cheney were lying about the “Iranian nuclear threat.”"

"Meanwhile, a draft NIE update on Iran’s nuclear program, completed earlier this year, is dead in its tracks, apparently because anti-Iran hawks inside the Obama administration are afraid it will leak. It is said to repeat pretty much the same conclusions as the NIE from 2007."

 

KenS

In case you missed it in the rant:

ravenise wrote:

They own everything they want to own and they own you too and you don’t have the balls or the intellect to protest

It doesn’t matter what you hear about who controls Las Vegas; the banks, the media, the entertainment business, the arms trade, the slavery trade, organ trafficking

I hope I go down in history as an example of anti-Semitism to the max.

Fidel

They decided not to attack Iran some time ago when it was realized that an oil shortage as a direct result would cripple the US economy even further.

Anyway. the fascists' targets of colder warfare are much larger and resource-rich Asian countries nearby. Threatening Iran and N. Korea with nuclear weapons and nuclear blackmail are diversions as is Afghanistan.

ravenise

 

Is that all you gathered from the movie?  So, what will the U.S. and international intelligence services do about this; zilch and less than zilch? They know which side their bread is buttered on because they helped these psychopaths steal their bread and butter and sell it back to them at twice the price which is still what they can get for you wholesale, somehow and… cheaper than stolen.

Well, let’s pause a moment and list a few things; Zionista, Nazi propagandists own the world media and all the entertainment businesses. Zionista bankers and Wall Street traders made huge mistakes, betting on your future and then stole your future to pay for it. Zionista, rat fucked reptiles, plunged your countries into unwinable wars, based on a fly paper strategy of getting, yet to be created terrorists killed and or placed into rendition programs, so that they could confess to acts which were carried out by the Zionistas. Zionistas compose a certain percentage of a .2% demographic of some sort of killer human virus that condemns you for inquiry into fabricated history, which makes up fantastic stories about non events AND destroys you for saying they have the power to destroy you, which is Anti-Semitic. They aren’t Semitic but the people they are genociding out of existence are and you can’t say that. I don’t care what it is, you can’t say it.

Let’s go on with that theme. These genetically engineered vultures have been performing total mayhem upon a so called gentile world; that’s you pilgrim. They come out of a mix of people who are more silent than the silent they accused everyone else of being when they were wiped out with no population change. The single most informed entity on Earth stated their figures and no one paid attention. Winston Churchill and Dwight Eisenhower and a whole lot of other war time, memoir making famous people wrote thousands and thousands of words and never mentioned death camps and gas chambers. Oh, don’t bother to look it up; stupid will defend itself until its last, gasping ignorant breath.

Let’s keep going; a country got formed out of a myth, for a people who don’t exist, for a land without people, once they had driven the people off of their land, so that a crime family could have its own nation in order to have certain sovereign protections against prosecution. Then they took control of the money supply of major nations in order to compel a selected group of crack whore politicians to support their right to bugger them- and you- into insensibility; probably because they liked it and you do too. These whores represented your interests but you weren’t all that interested, because they were right about something; you are so incredibly stupid that you read, absorb and accept things that didn’t happen because you were too lazy to check.

They own everything they want to own and they own you too and you don’t have the balls or the intellect to protest because it couldn’t be exactly the way it looks, because these vultures who are raping and killing with impunity couldn’t be doing the same thing to you now, could they?

Meanwhile there’s a larger group of the same group that doesn’t say a word and is therefore, somehow, kind of innocent and now you have a few, self styled representatives of hope and change from this same group, who are courageously speaking out but none of whom will admit that their own genetic misanthrope cousins did 9/11. Clarify this for me because I might be missing something, which members of the tribe have come out and said that Israel did 9/11? Which writers or spokesperson, who is a member of the tribe and who you see being published at these alternative news sites is coming out and declaring this; no, don’t tell me, not a single one? So am I to believe that they are just the advance guard of the table turning, “we’re the good guys now”; representatives of your next select group of incoming slavers?

Aren’t these the people who are most pushing the idea that there is some kind of shadowy cabal of mostly Wasp, Catholic, Masonic-illuminati puppet-masters who are just using history’s biggest, self-proclaimed victims as scapegoats once again? Ah… those victims. You just want to slit your wrists in protest against the injustice. It doesn’t matter what you hear about who controls Las Vegas; the banks, the media, the entertainment business, the arms trade, the slavery trade, organ trafficking and it doesn’t matter how many times you see it because it can’t be real because you, you are too stupid to live and the good news is you probably won’t be living for much longer.

I’m not like you. I can’t live with a fucking, self denying lie. I don’t care what prisons they put me in or what kind of crap they get away with for a little while. I have to live with myself. You do too, but apparently that’s no big deal, for you.

Now they are back again and there is no arrogance like theirs. They are even running the same ‘shuck and jive’ artist students thing again. They got black people trying to live in harmonious accord with them, when they are the ones who put them on the ships and killed far more of them than even what they claim happened to them and don’t get me started on the Bolshevik Revolution. I hope I go down in history as an example of anti-Semitism to the max. I’ll feel like I did the right thing. I feel like maybe it’s the truth.

I know how this whole thing sorts out for the Synagogue of Satan. I could delineate it for you and lay it out; as you will see it happening when it gets shown to you. Yeah, I’m that deluded guy that normal people won’t hang out with; thank god for that. I’m a chemical taking, moonwalking on the ceiling, trying to get away from you, kind of a guy, who knows my chemicals beat the hell out of what you are taking to keep yourself even more stupid than you actually are and that is a reach, since you are already at zero on the yardstick.

You’re the real problem, you teabagging, liberal calling, no neck troglodytes from the Planet Nothing. Here’s your real problem. You see the truth. You know what I’m talking about but you got no faith in the truth and you purport to live by it. You’re the worst kind of hypocrites. You are the ones who murdered your savior because somebody with money looked more powerful to you than the force that makes existence possible. You piss on the sunlight of your own survival. You sell your children into slavery because you believe what you can see is more powerful than what is holding you in place so that you can see it in the first place. That makes you stupid and it makes me free. I can see where the power lies, because I do not presume to know, nor do I hide what is evident to a child from my willfully blinded eyes.

These tools of the darkness are only what they are; limited and allowed access, dependent on your fear of them. One who does not fear them has nothing to fear as will be demonstrated shortly. Yes, they are going to Hell but Hell for them is nothing more than the impossibility of escaping from the eternal cycle of shooting fish in a barrel …but you, you could have had a soul and you spent your time felating your abusers in order to live insignificantly and in fear of a death that is guaranteed by your worship of what despises you the most. Well, they’re back again and you’re still sure you can pick the queen in that Three Card Monte game you call your life. You disappoint me but that is nothing like the disappointment you are going to experience when it all gets revealed to you.

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Jebus.

ravenise is gone. 

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