Black Friday, Cyber Monday Buy Nothing Day etc...

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lagatta4
Black Friday, Cyber Monday Buy Nothing Day etc...

I confess I'll buy one thing on sale today or tomorrow - cat food! $5 off. Bluidy stuff is expensive, and Livia needs "dental" food. Other than that, just groceries for me, as far as I know.

Bacchus

Honestly I've never been one for Boxing Day or Black Friday sales where you line up with hundreds all night to get into a store that only has 5 copies of an item on a ridiculous sale. Generally nothing is so cheap that I want to buy it and if I needed it, I already had it. Might be tempted by cat food but thats about it

lagatta4

There was no line at all at Mondou (pet supplies shop). Livia had just finished her last bag, so I was glad of that. It was about 10 a.m. on a Friday and there were no lines even at the SAQ or a grocery where I bought some very good grain-fed chicken legs. Oh, I picked up a couple of garlics within the market area per se... No other shopping.

Aristotleded24
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O-o

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

If I ever end up shopping on Black Friday it's just for daily stuff like milk and cat food - if you're out of the essentials, you have to shop no matter the day. I'm with Bacchus - there is nothing enticing about these massive sales. If I need something, I buy it. I avoid buying stuff just because it's on sale and if I can wait till these events to buy something, I probably didn't really need it.

Aristotleded24
Misfit Misfit's picture

I thought that Black Friday is an American tradition.

pookie

Misfit wrote:

I thought that Black Friday is an American tradition.

It is - connected to the quintessential US-ian holiday.

So disappointing to see it invade Canada.

Aristotleded24

That's exactly the other thing that bothers me about this, pookie. It makes sense for the US to have Black Friday at this time because it coincides with a holiday they celebrate. Here in Canada our tradition is Boxing Day. The only reason this became a thing in Canada was that retailers started promoting the idea. The worst thing is seeing ads and coverage in our media of Canadians going to the US to spend their dollars outside of the country and undermine our businesses. Isn't that borderline treasonous?

Misfit Misfit's picture

Aristotleded24 wrote:

That's exactly the other thing that bothers me about this, pookie. It makes sense for the US to have Black Friday at this time because it coincides with a holiday they celebrate. Here in Canada our tradition is Boxing Day. The only reason this became a thing in Canada was that retailers started promoting the idea. The worst thing is seeing ads and coverage in our media of Canadians going to the US to spend their dollars outside of the country and undermine our businesses. Isn't that borderline treasonous?

Treasonous expresses many people's feelings about it, but it is an extreme word. Thoughtless, selfish, inconsiderate, rude, ignorant, obnoxious, hurtful, disloyal, all fit the description as far as I am concerned.

Aristotleded24

Misfit wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

That's exactly the other thing that bothers me about this, pookie. It makes sense for the US to have Black Friday at this time because it coincides with a holiday they celebrate. Here in Canada our tradition is Boxing Day. The only reason this became a thing in Canada was that retailers started promoting the idea. The worst thing is seeing ads and coverage in our media of Canadians going to the US to spend their dollars outside of the country and undermine our businesses. Isn't that borderline treasonous?

Treasonous expresses many people's feelings about it, but it is an extreme word. Thoughtless, selfish, inconsiderate, rude, ignorant, obnoxious, hurtful, disloyal, all fit the description as far as I am concerned.

I suggested that word, particularly on the part of the media, because that actively promotes the economy in another country while undermining (what's left of) our own businesses.

pookie

I wouldn't call it treasonous, exactly, but it is beyond craven.  I can understand why some people might see it that way, though.

lagatta4

I wouldn't call it treason, but I sure as hell wouldn't shop on line for US-based firms.

Bacchus

Get ready for it getting worse once the new NAFTA is radified

cco

I don't remember reading anything about spending a required amount of money in Canada when I studied for my citizenship exam, but I'm sure Jason Kenney's planning to add it one of these days. It's funny how businesspeople who rave about the glories of the free market when they're making money are so fragile when people freely take their business elsewhere. If I had to make a list of threats the United States poses to Canada, cross-border shopping wouldn't crack the top 10. I'm also guessing that every single Babbler posts here using something with parts made in China. If we want to talk about the tragedy of dollars leaving the country, maybe we should focus on the corporate world, not the customers.

quizzical

CCO agree focus on corporations not consumers. 

i went shopping Friday  across the border in AB. 

got some great deals at Canadian Tire.  really great deals.  Christmas shopping done. 73% off most everything and no PST.

do i feel guilty about depriving BC of it's tax money? nope. or shopping even? nope. 

Aristotleded24

It's not about setting a percentage of income that you have to spend in a particular area, or taking an absolutist hard line position against spending any money outside of Canada. Overall, if you encourage large amounts of shopping outside of your local economy, your economy will collapse, plain and simple. Say, for example, the Brandon Sun runs ads in the paper encouraging people to shop in Minot. Brandon businesses will collapse and have no money to put in the paper.

I agree that corporate behaviour is the main culprit, but I think it's a cop-out to blame that exclusively and to discount the power of individual decision making. Why do advertisers spend millions of dollars even though people say they hate advertisements? Because the advertisers have figured out how to manipulate human psychology to get people to do what the businesses want. What if people simply ignored the advertisers and just did what they wanted? If people start making different decisions about where they spend their dollars (maybe even opening up other business opportunities), that can influence corporate behaviour.

Then again, since I've essentially ignored Christmas for the last number of years, this is mostly a theoretical discussion for me.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Ari is correct on this.

And Quiz, where you live it makes sense to buy in Alberta. You are a three hour drive from PG and just an hour from an Alberta city. On the prairies, your shopping location with the Canadian tire constitutes a city.

Aristotleded24

Misfit wrote:
Ari is correct on this.

And Quiz, where you live it makes sense to buy in Alberta. You are a three hour drive from PG and just an hour from an Alberta city.

That's true, Misfit. I always wonder about people who think they are saving more money by shopping to the US, when at least part of the savings would be offset by the cost of gas, even if you buy the gas in the US where it is cheaper. As for shopping in different jurisdictions, there is a similar dynamic in play in southeastern Saskatchewan. It is far easier for many people there to shop in Brandon rather than go to Regina. Those centres would have more of what people need than Yorkton, Weyburn, or Estevan.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Exactly! I have friends who lived in Moosomin. Their city was always Brandon and not Regina.

And I lied. Quiz is two hours from a shopping hub in Alberta.

Unionist

Aristotleded24 wrote:

 Say, for example, the Brandon Sun runs ads in the paper encouraging people to shop in Minot. Brandon businesses will collapse and have no money to put in the paper.

The Brandon Sun wouldn't "run ads" encouraging people to shop in Minot. That would be Minot businesses paying for those ads, right? And Brandon businesses wouldn't be buying ads of their own? I don't understand the connection you're positing between Brandon businesses and the Brandon Sun. The name?

quizzical

Misfit wrote:

Exactly! I have friends who lived in Moosomin. Their city was always Brandon and not Regina.

And I lied. Quiz is two hours from a shopping hub in Alberta.

it's an 1 1/2 hrs closer to shop in Hinton than PG or Kamloops.

i shop as local as what i can always. but on the big specials at Canadian Tire i always go to AB. 

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Black Friday backlash: Protests against Amazon erupt across France

Dozens of protesters gathered outside the company's French headquarters in Clichy, north of Paris.

Protesters also tried to blockade a shopping centre in Paris and a logistics centre near the eastern city of Lyon.

In video from Lyon riot police can be seen dragging activists away.

The protests aimed to disrupt Black Friday, a discount shopping day that activists have blamed for environmental damage.

In response, Amazon told the BBC it respected the right to protest but disagreed with "the actions of these individuals".

Similar protests against Amazon erupted in other European countries, including Germany, where workers from six distribution centres staged a walkout over pay and conditions.

The union Verdi, which called the strike, said its members' hard work could not be bought for "knock-down prices".....

Activists across France have staged Black Friday protests against Amazon, decrying consumerism and its impact on the environment.