Social distancing, class, and hypocrisy

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

Pondering wrote:
There is only one measure and it has nothing to do with anyone's opinions or the socio-economic backgrounds of doctors. 

As always look to the health care facilities in your own community. Are nurses being forced to work overtime?

Yes they are. This has been an ongoing issue for several years due to underinvestment in health care. Why that justifies locking down the population, when lockdowns don't even curtail the spread (remember that among poorer communities in Toronto, covid spread accelerated among the poorer areas of the city).

You forgot this part..."Are they able to take vacations? Is there extra capacity to take care of all patients if there is a covid-19 surge?"

Lockdowns do curtail the spread with varying successes depending on individual conditions. 

That covid spread continued accelerating in the poorer areas of the city does not mean it would not have accelerated without restrictions. It has been very well documented that restrictions are not as effective for essential workers and those living in more crowded multi-generational homes. Their condition would not improve by having Covid accelerating in all communities. They would have even less access to health care than they already do. 

Yes, there has been longterm underfunding of health care. That means we have even less surge capacity than other places that do fund their health care systems better, yet still have restrictions. 

Your insistence that restrictions don't work is rooted in your misunderstanding of what restrictions are intended to accomplish. They are intended to slow transmission not stop it and certainly not eradicate it. 

Contagious diseases passed through human to human contact increase and decrease depending on the frequency and type of human to human contact.  That isn't debatable. 

Which restrictions to use and how effective each type is can be debated. 


JKR wrote:

Scientific consensus on the COVID-19 pandemic: we need to act now; The Lancet; 31 October 2020


Effective measures that suppress and control transmission need to be implemented widely, and they must be supported by financial and social programmes that encourage community responses and address the inequities that have been amplified by the pandemic.


Japan, Vietnam, and New Zealand, to name a few countries, have shown that robust public health responses can control transmission, allowing life to return to near-normal, and there are many such success stories. The evidence is very clear: controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months. We cannot afford distractions that undermine an effective response; it is essential that we act urgently based on the evidence.

You mean how the fact that Japan is currently experiencing its third wave of covid makes the country a success? I guess by that metric Canada must be more successful because nationally we are near the top of our second wave.


Something we can all get behind:

For 2nd day in a row, Ontario associate chief medical officer of health Dr. Yaffe calls out lack of paid sick time, evictions ban as contributing to COVID spread. “It’s not like we’re saying people are doing this on purpose … People need to be supported to do the right thing."