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Aristotleded24

It's too bad these events conflict, but I'll post them in case anyone can make either one:

March for Child Care:

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In correlation with the upcoming provincial election, the Manitoba Child Care Association (MCCA) is holding a #support26K awareness walk/event on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at the Assiniboine Park (Lyric Theatre). Prior to the walk, there will be various stakeholders who will share their stories about the importance of early learning & child care. In addition, all registered political parties have been invited to speak to their party’s platform promises on how they intend to support the sector. After, the group will proceed with a 2.88km walk around Assiniboine Park.

Poverty and hunger election forum:

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Everyone is invited!

  • August 20th, 2019
  • Doors at 6:30pm, Forum begins at 7:00pm

Knox United Church, 400 Edmonton St

Aristotleded24

This is absolutely frightening:

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The Manitoba government is considering selling off its Amphibex ice-breaking machines that help prevent ice jams and floods on the Red River north of Winnipeg.

The province owns three of the machines and has them run by a corporation set up by three municipalities, under a contract that costs more than $1 million a year.

Infrastructure Minister Ron Schuler says the government is simply seeing if a better deal is available on the open market.

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The Opposition New Democrats say they are worried privately-owned Amphibexes might not be available when they are needed during spring flood season.

No Mr. Schuler, you're wrong about this. The system we have now works. We need those machines to prevent major spring flooding. The fact that the river flows south to north, and freezes in the opposite direction in the winter time, to melt in the same direction, leaves the potential for major ice jams on the river upstream. We don't need to have jurisdictional squabbles in the middle of a potential flood emergency. A miscommunication could have those things out there too late or not at all, which could not only cause major flooding in Manitoba, but I imagine communities in Minnesota and North Dakota may be in danger as well.

Is there anything this government won't sell off? The most frustrating thing is that the rural communities that would be hard hit voted for this government in large numbers.

 

bekayne

Has Pallister gone to Costa Rica for the winter yet?

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Wish he would spend the whole time there and not initiate any changes or sell off assets.

Aristotleded24

Apparently a simple state of emergency isn't as simple thing in this province anymore:

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Mike Espenell, business manager for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 2034 — which represents represents Manitoba Hydro field employees — says that's a big job, especially for a corporation that has lost hundreds of employees since 2016.

"I think some of the recent staffing reductions that we've seen that were imposed by the current government have significantly impacted Manitoba Hydro's ability to respond to events like this," he told CBC News.

Manitoba Hydro announced a plan to cut 900 positions — representing 15 per cent of its total workforce — in 2017. Hydro said the reductions would come through retirements, "continued management of vacancies," and through a review and restructuring of middle management.

The Crown corporation said later that year that more than 800 employees had taken voluntary buyouts.

Hydro was also among the Manitoba Crown corporations ordered by the Progressive Conservative government in 2017 to cut 15 per cent of its management staff — a target exceeded by Hydro, Manitoba Liquor & Lotteries, and Manitoba Public Insurance.

More recently, new mandate letters asked the boards of the three Crown corporations to set a target of eight per cent reductions across all staff levels — both managerial and non-managerial.

Has any government in Canada ever been criticized like this after an emergency such as Manitoba experienced?

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Sagkeeng First Nation says it wasn't properly consulted on power line to Minnesota

A Manitoba Indigenous community is taking the province to court over a $453-million power transmission project it says it wasn't properly consulted on before construction started last summer.

The Sagkeeng First Nation is to argue in Winnipeg Court of Queen's Bench on Wednesday for a judicial review of the province's decision to give Manitoba Hydro a licence to build a 213-kilometre, 500-kilovolt line to Minnesota.

"When our ancestors signed the treaties, they agreed to share their land, not give it away," Chief Derrick Henderson said in a news release. "Manitoba and Hydro need to learn that they have to treat our people with respect. It is not respectful for Manitoba to treat First Nations as a nuisance to be disposed of in a sham consultation process.".....

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The thread title needs to be changed to "Two Terms of Pallister is ENOUGH!" or something like that, given that the "man" gained a second majority.

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

The thread title needs to be changed to "Two Terms of Pallister is ENOUGH!" or something like that, given that the "man" gained a second majority.

But did he rock Couillard's world?

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bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

The thread title needs to be changed to "Two Terms of Pallister is ENOUGH!" or something like that, given that the "man" gained a second majority.

But did he rock Couillard's world?

That's on a "need-to-know" basis-and I DON'T need to know.

Aristotleded24

With the Winnipeg Police Service having said they are stressed beyond their capacity, and Mayor Bowman's call for a meeting with Trudeau and Pallister to talk about crime, and since Winnipeg is likely to record its highest ever number of homicides in a year, I think the NDP should start emphasising health care a bit less and place a bit more emphasis on the issue of crime and safety. If the crime wave we are seeing now was happening under a Liberal or NDP government, the Winnipeg Sun would be all over how the soft-on-crime approach doesn't work. Plus, the PCs have tried to make an issue of crime in Winnipeg before. Plus, people generally trust the PCs to deal with crime over the NDP, so it would show how Pallister has failed at something his party is supposed to be good at. Suburban voters might not be experiencing the same levels of crime in their neighbourhoods as downtown and the North End, but they do read the scary headlines. They will catch on that Pallister has made the city less safe if the NDP continues to hammer on this message.

Pondering

That's a good idea. Progressives need to challenge the Conservative narrative that their tough on crime approach reduces crime. 

People need to be asked what their priority is, reducing crime or obtaining retribution. 

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Winnipeg’s media are stoking a racist frenzy with coverage of alleged liquor store thefts

Winnipeg’s media outlets are salivating at the chance to create a moral panic over alleged liquor store thefts. Nearly non-stop headlines regale readers with seemingly horrific stories of brutal crimes: an old man has his hand slashed while trying to prevent a robbery, guns and pepper spray are wielded, and businesses face the “darkest time in Winnipeg history” (according to the CEO of a security company).

Liquor store customers have taken to posting photos and videos of thefts on social media. The images and footage are now making the rounds across the country, while camoed shoppers tackle suspects to the ground in a sort of bizarre and unprompted citizen’s arrests to protect bottles of liquor. CBC Manitoba conducted a highly sympathetic interview with the founder of a Facebook group called Take Our City Back whose members promoted the use of vigilante violence against alleged thieves. CBC host Ismaila Alfa told the founder that her concerns were “completely reasonable” and “good on you for starting this group.” The same day, Alfa interviewed the CEO of a security company about the thefts.

By all accounts, Winnipeg is facing an unprecedented surge of violent crime threatening to destabilize peace and order. Yet this trend is also the basis of a forceful narrative being pushed by police, media, unions, and businesses. The prescription is — of course — more police, more security, and more punishment.

What is completely ignored in all of this is basic facts. Journalists have sensationalized these robberies to the point of parody, systematically refusing to interview anyone with an evidence-based perspective on the situation. The public has been provided little information about whether the number of alleged robberies, totaling 10 to 20 per day according to the police, is particularly unusual for retail stores in general, or why it justifies the commitment of enormous financial resources to counter.

Thefts reported to police increased from 658 in 2017 to 2,602 in 2018, but the public is not informed if policies like the protocol for reporting thefts to police changed during that period, or why such a media response is happening only now. Even 2,600 thefts in a year is a relatively low number, totaling just over seven per day. Winnipeggers have not been provided information about if those thefts are localized at certain stores, or informed of the crucial relationship between systemic poverty and incidences of robbery and violent crime.....

Aristotleded24

epaulo13 wrote:
By all accounts, Winnipeg is facing an unprecedented surge of violent crime threatening to destabilize peace and order. Yet this trend is also the basis of a forceful narrative being pushed by police, media, unions, and businesses. The prescription is — of course — more police, more security, and more punishment.

While not only has Winnipeg had one of the largest per capita police agencies in the country for a long time, the Pallister PCs have cut funding for police officers and for crime prevention and rehabillitation strategies for the entire term of its mandate.

Aristotleded24

I also wanted to respond to something else in the article epaulo posted. The author of said article accuses the NDP of collaborating with the police on the crime issue. I don't think that accusation is fair. The meeding is to take place in one of the areas of the city (and possibly the whole province) with the highest violent crime that happens. That's not some manufactured response. Residents in the area are very frustrated with what they see happening, and they want answers. When it comes to crime and public safety, the police are always going to be involved. I'm certain that many of the underlying causes of crime will be brought up, and that the NDP will champion many of these policies. Even high-ranking police officials have said that we can't arrest our way out of the problem and that people need more supports. I do have issues with how the police operate, especially when it comes to investigating officers accused of wrong doing, but we need to be fair in our critiques. Otherwise nobody will take us seriously.

This is not the first time this has happened. I remember during the last years of the Filmon administration arson became a big problem in the city. That was the reason that the police and fire department set up their own special task force dedicated to solving arsons. The PCs are clearly bad for public safety in Winnipeg.

Aside from having meth stabilization units so that the police and hospital emergency rooms are not tied up dealing with these people, we need immediate restoration of drug and mental health courts. These options would allow people who commit crimes brought on by drug abuse and mental health problems to receive leniency in exchange for dealing with the problems that led them to commit crimes in the first place.

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..it's sets off my spidey senses when politicians of all stripes focus on crime more than poverty and social justice. what doubles my spidey senses is the amount of racism i encounter here in wpg. 

..from the piece i posted:

And the Manitoba PCs are looking to commit even more funding to the Winnipeg Police. Like with the province’s catastrophic responses to the recent Manitoba storm and rumours of Pallister’s desire to privatize Manitoba Hydro, it cannot be ruled out that this media frenzy around liquor stores may be weaponized by the PCs to push for the selling off of the Crown corporation. At the very least, the government is using this to further entrench their racist, ineffective, and costly “law and order” agenda that will only see more Indigenous people incarcerated and homes destroyed.

These alleged thefts are happening in a city literally built on land stolen from Indigenous peoples, and secured with violent policing and incarceration. Manitoba has the highest per-capita incarceration rate in the country, with a vast majority of prisoners of Indigenous descent. These material conditions, and local history of racist attacks on Indigenous peoples, helps explain why there has been such a visceral response to these alleged thefts. White customers attempting to tackle people removing bottles are living out latent fantasies of racist conquest. “Crime” is being pathologized as something committed by depraved vagrants, without any consideration of factors like poverty, mental health, hopelessness, or simply lack of opportunity.

Aristotleded24

From the NDP press release quoted in the CD article (emphasis mine):

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Fontaine and Smith also announced a community gathering in Winnipeg’s north end in which local community members can share concerns and discuss short- and long-term solutions to reduce violent crimes. Local police leadership will partner with Fontaine and Smith including Winnipeg Police representatives, AFN Regional Chief Kevin Hart, Aboriginal Youth Opportunities, Manitoba Moon Voices and local Elders.

The NDP invited Conservative Justice Minister Cliff Cullen and Health Minister Cameron Friesen to attend the gathering.

“While families are threatened, the province has stayed quiet. When our city is in crisis, the Pallister government has a responsibility to take action to keep families safe,” said Bernadette Smith. “We know the most effective solutions to violence in our communities will come from the community itself and so we invite the Conservative Minister to listen to those with the lived experience and expert knowledge that can make our city safer for all of us.”

I appreciate that getting at poverty is important. Unfortunately for us, the people of this province voted for Pallister with everthing about poverty being said. People want to talk about crime because they are experiencing it or they feel unsafe or they hear about it in the news. This is the perfect gateway the NDP can use to go into the other issues. Catch people's attention by saying, "You guys feel unsafe? The very people you put in charge have failed to do anything about it." Once you have people's attention, then you can move onto what we do about it. Talk about the cuts to programs that prevent crime and that allow for reabilitation. Show people that the police budget has been increasing while crime has been persistently high, both in terms of actual data and anecdotal evidence of unsafe people actually feel. Show them that we have choices, and I think, for the most part, that they will agree with investing in the more preventative solutions.

Sometimes I'm very frustrated at feeling like the left wants to lecture people, that they know the answers and everyone should just listen to them. One of the first things you learn if you take a communication course is that everyone has their own perceptual filters. If you want to have any hope of convincing people, you first have to understand their perceptions and world view (even if you disagree) and work within that frame of mind to convince them. How people who are supposedly educated can overlook that basic thing is mind boggling.

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..i'm not here to provide answers as i have little experience with fixing the criminal justice system. i do know it's broken and rigged. i do know there are alternatives though and some of that is based on indigenous teachings and practice. 

..what i'm looking for is an expanded debate around your orginal post at #111. not just a call for the ndp to do more on crime. what is the ndp position today? i'm already aware of the previous ndp gov contributions to the problem. their contributions to poverty and racism.

..i'm looking for a new approach. 

Aristotleded24

As far as doing something new, I would suggest re-evaluating what doesn't work and changing tactics. The NDP traditionally focuses on health care and education, which voters trust the NDP to do a better job with that than the other parties. Unfortunately, when it comes to messaging on health care, voters knew that in September and took that into account when they voted. They typically trust the PCs do deal more with crime and public safety. That was a theme of previous campaign ads, as shown here and  here. New approaches? Try to communicate more effectively. Take this closing ad for the PCs from 2016. The reason that ad works is that it hit the NDP for failing on something NDP supporters want their party to do succeed at. It doesn't matter that the ad doesn't propose solutions. It doesn't have to. Just pointing out how the NDP has let down its own supporters is enough to sap NDP energy and momentum. We have a chance to tell PC supporters that their Premier has failed to make them safer. As for solutions? The forum had much discussion about familar NDP themes like poverty, housing, and rehabilitation. We have a chance to pitch those solutions as being effective.

I think you and I agree on the broad principles of what needs to be done and what the goals are. I hope that this discussion can be more about how to refine tactics and approaches to meet said goals.

Aristotleded24

And speaking of health care:

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Winnipeg's two largest hospitals have had to redirect ambulances away from their emergency rooms more frequently in 2019 than in any of the previous four years.

Through the end of September, Health Sciences Centre had diverted ambulances 1,242 times, while St. Boniface Hospital had done so 300 times, according to data compiled by the Manitoba Nurses Union, based on a freedom of information request.

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The rising total of ambulance redirects at the two big hospitals comes as the number of ERs in Winnipeg has shrunk to three from six in 2017. Grace Hospital is the other remaining city facility with both an ER and an intensive care unit.

Darlene Jackson, MNU president, said she is not surprised by the figures.

"This is exactly what nurses have been talking about. They've been talking about the lack of capacity in the system," she said Wednesday. "It's worrying for patient care. I think it's worrying for patient safety."

Sources say intensive care units in all three city hospitals with emergency rooms are at or exceeding capacity almost every day — with flu season yet to begin.

ICUs at capacity before flu season? Yikes!

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ari..

..i believe that forum is the direction to go in. more community involvement in the search for solutions. there has been, in the past, things like this being organised by the ndp. that thinking though doesn't rise to the legislatures when the ndp are in power. not here and not in bc..i've lived through both. 

..this is awesome and is exactly what is needed. as long as the ndp remains a part of it and doesn't try to control it for it's own political puposes. 

  ‘We need a movement right now’: says NDP MP Leah Gazan

..i saw that conservative ad. and another that reveals the limits of the ndp if they don't have movements hammering away at them. when they feel entitled. 

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There were a couple of decent interviews today on CBC Radio - at noon hour and on "Up to Speed".

The first was with someone involved with social justice and how the crux of the situation is poverty and lack of vision in tackling the situation. She actually said that if people want to feel safe, they should stop demanding tax cuts.

The second one was a woman who lives in the north end neighbourhood where the 3 year old boy was stabbed in his sleep (and later died). She was very frank about discussing the underlying issues that plague her neighbourhood - poverty, hopelessness, addictions (meth which is far cheaper being the worst and the psychosis it often causes in users), lack of social and health supports, lack of proper training for police (learning how to deal with people with compassion), etc.

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Solution to violent crime isn't more policing, experts and community advocates say

Community advocates and criminal justice experts are saying policing is not the answer Manitoba needs, as Winnipeg and the province grapple with a spike in violent crime.

Legal experts and grassroots advocates met in two separate gatherings in Winnipeg on Thursday, calling for a different approach in the wake of multiple violent incidents in the city.

At an annual breakfast meeting of the Manitoba Criminal Justice Association at the Fort Garry Hotel, justice experts said policing is the most expensive and time-consuming way of dealing with the problem.

Instead, experts highlighted poverty, social inequities and mental health issues as the main drivers of crime.

Kate Kehler, executive director of the Social Planning Council of Winnipeg and chair of the Restorative Justice Association of Manitoba, said systemic change is needed.

"We have unfortunately a society of people who have been damaged by our systems, and so as a society that's on us to own that and actually look at it and solve the problem so that we don't keep seeing these tragedies," she said.

A lack of mental health supports also can contribute to crime rates, said Hygiea Casiano, a forensic and child psychiatrist and professor at the University of Manitoba. Access to supports early on could curb criminality, she said.

"Individuals with mental health issues need to have the identification and the appropriate treatment. In fact, young offenders we know have higher rates of mood, anxiety, psychotic and trauma-related disorders. So let's start with our children," she said.

"Let's support their early lives in order to change their path."

Cut police spending, invest in services: advocates

Later in the day, grassroots advocates met at the bell tower in the North End, calling on the city to make radical changes to policing and redirect resources to community programs like 24-hour safe spaces and improved public housing.

"We're seeing just cuts to health care and social services over and over again," said Rowan Moyes, a harm reduction worker and organizer for the prison-rights group Bar None.

"I am afraid that that is the direction we are continuing to go in, when that is what led us to this problem in the first place." 

Moyes was joined by more than two dozen community members gathered at the bell tower to call for less spending on police and changes to policing including decommissioning the armoured vehicle, selling the police helicopter and a focus on working with community.....

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..more

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'A war on the poor'

Winnipeg police Chief Danny Smyth said at the breakfast that front-line social workers help bridge a divide between the community and police.

"I would argue you need the community and the police to do this," he said. "I strongly we'll believe we'll get through this spike we're dealing with."

Grassroots advocates and legal experts alike said part of the problem is poverty. Three of Manitoba's federal ridings are in the top 10 across Canada for high child poverty rates, Kehler said at the Criminal Justice Association breakfast.

In Churchill-Keewatinook Aski, child poverty is more the norm than the exception. Nearly two-thirds of children in the riding live in poverty, according to Campaign 2000, a cross-Canada coalition that works toward public education about poverty.

In Winnipeg Centre, four out of 10 children live in poverty, while Dauphin-Swan River-Neepawa has a rate of about 33.8 per cent.

"There's a direct correlation with poverty and crime and the long-term effects of poverty and how its deprivation affects development, which leads people into a life of crime," Kehler said.

At the bell tower, Dobchuk-Land said a lack of investment means there aren't enough services to support people when they seek help. She said police need to stop treating things like sleeping outside and panhandling as criminal offences.

"People are poor. They're desperate. They're angry. There's a war on the poor," said Dobchuk-Land.

"Policing is not only not the solution, it's actually part of the problem.".....

Rowan Moyes, an organizer with prison solidarity group Bar None, says Winnipeg needs to pull back from policing and reinvest in community supports. (Tyson Koschik/CBC)

Aristotleded24

I listened to the Up to Speed interview laine mentioned upthread. I take issue with the woman's contention that the police need more training. Police officers already receive a great deal of training on many topics, both as they are being accepted to the police and ongoing professional development throughout their careers. The lady even described many police officers are having a "heart of gold." So somehow these officers are able to make use of their training to do things right. Training, or lack thereof, is not the issue. The issue is the "we're-the-good-guys-who-stop-the-bad-guys" mentality, whether or not officers have the support services they need to cope with the stress they have on the job, and the near impossibility of holding abusive officers to account.

I'm willing to grant that it is likely a small minority of officers who are abusing their power and not doing their jobs professionally. The problem is that it doesn't take many of these instances to affect perception of the majority and the police service as a whole, especially when this minority is not stopped.

Aristotleded24

And speaking of the police:

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As crime surges in Winnipeg, the city's police service is realigning several units to boost the number of officers and investigators available to deal with the problem.

"Our community is reeling, really, and our organization is reeling here. A lot of people just can't make sense of what's going on right now in the community," police Chief Danny Smyth said at a news conference.

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Staffing levels will be altered in the following units: major crimes, station duty, traffic and community relations. Officers will be reassigned to general patrol and investigative units.

A total of 74 officers will be assigned to these areas, a police spokesperson said.

Investigators also have been pulled off Project Devote and the intelligence unit. Both of those are integrated units the police service is involved in with the RCMP.

"We're going to pull back temporarily so they can meet the backlog of homicides now," Smyth said.

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Changes also have been made to district stations in city neighbourhoods, with a number of communications staff being centralized in the downtown headquarters.

That means duty offices in district stations will be closed. However, public reports can be made by phone and online, 24 hours a day, Smyth said.

The changes also will mean a reduction in traffic enforcement and in the time spent on the checkstop program for impaired drivers, as well as in school education programs.

So just as the holiday season is about to ramp up, the police service is cutting back on enforcement of drunk driving laws? Doesn't make me feel very safe. Smyth seems to be as at a loss over this crime spree as the rest of the public is. But maybe with the cuts at the district stations, fewer people will be able to report crimes? That's one way to drive down the crime stats.

At least winter is coming up, and violent crime does tend to drop during cold weather. After the snow melts, who knows?

The PCs are not good for public safety in Winnipeg at all. The last time they were in government, arson started claiming many houses in the inner city. That is why the police and fire department have a dedicated arson unit. We need to remind the public of this. True, the NDP were happy to be tough-on-crime, but at least they had some crime prevention initiatives that kept the problem from becoming this out of hand.

Aristotleded24

This Canadian Dimension article goes into great detail about what Pallister has done. Specifically in terms of criminal justice, his cuts include:

Cutting a decades-old restorative justice program that kept people out of jail

Eliminating a program to teach trades and other useful skills to prisoners

Refuses to consider a safe injection site, as recommended by advocates, and to add insult to injury, lied about Horgan telling him that they came with unintended consequences

Refused to spend federal money given specifically for the treatment of meth

Cut funding to women's centres in Point Douglas and the North End

Rejected funding for 24/7 safe spaces (what do you think not having a safe space for vulnerable people does to their likelihood of being murdered? More police costs down the road?)

Ended the Neighbourhoods Alive program that helped communites in downtown Winnipeg, the North End, Elmwood, Brandon, Thompson, Dauphin, Flin Flon, Selkirk, The Pas, and Portage la Prairie (another major city in Manitoba that struggles with crime)

I'm just listing the cuts that have a direct impact on crime and public safety. The article lists more cuts to programs like child care and education that have a more indirect impact over the long term that everybody already knows. What I want to do is highlight some of the things that people might not be aware of and that should receive more attention.

Aristotleded24

I'm not finished on the changes to police staffing. So community education and school outreach is being cut. What does that mean? Does that mean fewer people are aware of steps they can take to make their properties less vulnerable to crime? Does that mean that children who are abused don't have someone to tell them where they can reach out for help, thereby preventing the problem from getting out of hand? Does that mean that teenagers who have friends who are on drugs or caught in the gang lifestyle have nobody to turn to, no way for their friends to have a chance of turning their lives around? Does that mean that parents don't have information regarding the warning signs of drug use or gang activity, and can't intervene until it's too late? Does that mean that people not seeing police officers as part of their community will react in fear when approached by one, possibly escalating a situation and making it unsafe for cops and civilians alike? Does this mean that people won't trust the police, and instead of approaching police with their problems, will instead take matters into their own hands and there is more revenge crime? What other public education campaigns regularly done by the police are missing out? Areas that are not glamourous or front page news, but that have a long-term impact on preventing trouble?

Everybody's reacting, nobody's thinking anything through, and the provincial government is especially missing in action.

Aristotleded24

It's not just communities in Winnipeg that are struggling:

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"It's really going to force community organizations to think about the way they implement projects in the community," says Espey. "Community organizations will have to build new partnerships and work for partnerships a lot harder than they've probably ever had to before."

Lynne Parker is the Executive Director of Recreation Opportunities for Kids (ROK) Central, and she shares these changes mean a considerable reduction of programs for ROK.

Parker adds the programs that ROK runs are geared toward vulnerable populations, and she believes it's the responsibility of the government to help make these programs available. Parker notes most grants do not cover wages and benefits.

"If we don't have wages for our staff it's just not going to work," stresses Parker.

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"There's a direct correlation with poverty and crime and the long-term effects of poverty and how its deprivation affects development, which leads people into a life of crime," Kehler said.

At the bell tower, Dobchuk-Land said a lack of investment means there aren't enough services to support people when they seek help. She said police need to stop treating things like sleeping outside and panhandling as criminal offences.

"People are poor. They're desperate. They're angry. There's a war on the poor," said Dobchuk-Land.

"Policing is not only not the solution, it's actually part of the problem.".....

..imo, more than anything else, poverty is what lies at core of these recent events. poverty is a major crisis.

..so where are the solutions to the poverty crisis in manitoba? 

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..if possible i'd like to continue the conversation that has been started here. the thread title can be changed.

Union wants policy changes, more police in grocery stores to address shoplifting

Shoplifting has become such a problem at Winnipeg-area grocery stores that a union representing retail workers is calling for changes to improve safety and reduce theft.

Employees are advised not to intervene in thefts, said Jeff Traeger, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 832, so he thinks more police in stores are needed to solve the problem.

"It's gone too far" for "trying to address the root causes to be a good short-term solution," Traeger said. "Right now [the solution] means police in stores."

UFCW also represents the security guards working at the stores, who Traeger said are "visual deterrents" but have no authority to actually stop anybody engaged in a theft.

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Bronwyn Dobchuk-Land, an associate professor of criminology at the University of Winnipeg, said adding police isn't the right way to approach the problem.

"The idea of putting police in stores sounds good, but extending the idea to the scale it needs to be viable.... It's not surprising to hear this from a union, but it is disappointing," she said.

Dobchuk-Land said the root causes of crime include poverty and homelessness caused by austerity and public investment in policing doesn't make sense based on evidence.

"We're in the midst of a social crisis, a crisis of inequality, a crisis where people don't have enough to eat and are so beaten down by being overly policed that they're participating in vengeful acts of theft," she said.

Even if stores are paying for police, more security won't solve the problem, she said.

"It's not effective and it's likely to lead to increased tensions, increased racial profiling, regarding a problem that is fundamentally about poverty and inequality," Dobchuk-Land said.

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Solidarity Winnipeg

Union officials calling for a police crackdown is a serious mistake. It fuels the racist “law and order” drive. That drive boosts right-wing politics that target unions too! We need an organized anti-racist left inside and outside unions.

Aristotleded24

epaulo13 wrote:
..if possible i'd like to continue the conversation that has been started here. the thread title can be changed.

Union wants policy changes, more police in grocery stores to address shoplifting

Shoplifting has become such a problem at Winnipeg-area grocery stores that a union representing retail workers is calling for changes to improve safety and reduce theft.

Employees are advised not to intervene in thefts, said Jeff Traeger, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 832, so he thinks more police in stores are needed to solve the problem.

"It's gone too far" for "trying to address the root causes to be a good short-term solution," Traeger said. "Right now [the solution] means police in stores."

UFCW also represents the security guards working at the stores, who Traeger said are "visual deterrents" but have no authority to actually stop anybody engaged in a theft.

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Bronwyn Dobchuk-Land, an associate professor of criminology at the University of Winnipeg, said adding police isn't the right way to approach the problem.

"The idea of putting police in stores sounds good, but extending the idea to the scale it needs to be viable.... It's not surprising to hear this from a union, but it is disappointing," she said.

Dobchuk-Land said the root causes of crime include poverty and homelessness caused by austerity and public investment in policing doesn't make sense based on evidence.

"We're in the midst of a social crisis, a crisis of inequality, a crisis where people don't have enough to eat and are so beaten down by being overly policed that they're participating in vengeful acts of theft," she said.

Even if stores are paying for police, more security won't solve the problem, she said.

"It's not effective and it's likely to lead to increased tensions, increased racial profiling, regarding a problem that is fundamentally about poverty and inequality," Dobchuk-Land said.

Yeah, I was pretty angry about that when I read about it this morning. Large department stores like Superstore already have their own loss prevention staff to deal with this. I also think that if taxes are going to rise this much, then it should probably go towards affordable housing that will make it easier for the members of the union who work in the store. Funny thing, I never see the UFCW involved in any municipal political issues that would make their members lives any better.

Serously, UFCW 832 is one of the most useless unions out there. How long did they sit on their hands while Stella's staff were dealing with a toxic work envirnoment? And unions wonder why people don't like them?

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..i worked on joe zuken's mayoral campaign way back when

State of the Inner City Report 2019

Hosted by Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives - Manitoba Office

Wed Dec 11
11:30 - 1:30
430 Langside St.
Magnus Eliason Rec Centre​

Including the presention of the Joseph Zuken Citizen Activist Award 2019 to Roz Usiskin

Lunch served: Please RSVP to ccpamb@policyalternatives.ca or
204-927-3200 by December 4th

This year’s State of the Inner City report takes a ‘big picture’ look at mental health and problematic substance use in Winnipeg’s inner city. Many community-based organizations working in the inner city see problematic substance use and mental health issues as a symptom of a larger social crisis created by political decisions and policy. This year’s report explores the issue ‘4 ways’. Using 2016 census data, the first chapter uncovers the inequality of problematic substance use in the inner city and demonstrates how the Province’s drug strategy will likely exacerbate existing inequalities. Two very different styles of media analysis uncover the language of crisis surrounding drug use; one conducted by criminologists, the other by the MHRN peer working group. Two concluding chapters demonstrate the need for a holistic response to meaningfully address the root causes. Recommendations at both the governmental and community level are presented.

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Shelley Marshall on Drugs - Jail or Public Health

Hosted by Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 6 PM​

X-Cues Cafe & Lounge​

551 Sargent Ave., Winnipeg​

2nd in our series.
Come for 6pm and grab some food and beverages for purchase, presentation will begin around 6:30 pm.
Presentation followed by Q and A and discussion with audience. X Cue's is a great venue!
Building a movement one conversation at a time!
Free admission. Donations welcome.

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