Conservatives Move to End All CBC Funding

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Arts of May
Conservatives Move to End All CBC Funding

Though the CBC is far from perfect, I have heard news, deeply alarming, that the Harper government is looking at cutting all funding to the CBC.  This was floated by MP Dean Del Mastro on November 23rd.  He's the Heritage Minister's parliamentary secretary.  James Moore, the Heritage Minister, then failed to deny that these plans are in the works.

It doesn't surprise me that Harper's government would like to get rid of the CBC.  At its best, and despite many reruns, radio 1 still opens countrywide discussions and it still reports inconvenient news on the airwaves that a privatized CBC likely would not.  The move to limit citizens' knowledge and to kill another public institution is highly undemocratic.  It would further put us under the control of an extremely restrictive and self-serving government and would do additional harm to our country.  Stephen Harper's vision of Canada looks more and more limiting and unscrupulous all the time.

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Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Thanks for this info, Arts of May, and a belated welcome to babble. If true, this would indeed be a terrible blow. I have no doubt that the Cons would love to do this, but I can't imagine this happening now--their usual plan is to dismantle unwanted organizations bit by bit until they are but a shell of their former self (in this they are well on their way wrt the CBC) and only then pulling the plug out of necessity. Check out one of our CBC threads--I think there's already a discussion on Harper's attack on public broadcasting there. See here and here

trippie

Good ridence, the more I understand about world politics that more I see the CBC as a bourgeois tool of propaganda.

 

It's would be a better use or your time to build a local show promoting a working class understanding of socialism.

Snert Snert's picture

It's kind of cool having a public broadcaster and all, and they've had their share of successful programming, but at the same time their new mandate seems to be to provide executives with big expense accounts to blow on fine dining and luxury travel.  That, and getting out the big black marker to redact any documents that suggest as much.  As a Canadian, I am a bit curious how it is that the publicly owned broadcaster seems to have more Top Secret documents than CSIS does.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

trippie wrote:

It's would be a better use or your time to build a local show promoting a working class understanding of socialism.

No, thanks.  I'd rather make a documentary about killer robots. 

Buddy Kat

Well for the first time I'm seeing detailed survey material in conservative ridings solely on the cbc...money is pasted on the front and they are many pages long.

Is anybody else getting these surveys in the mail that aren't in conservative ridings?

Doesn't look good for the CBC ..I keep telling the CBC prey or become prey...they should be hanging out the right to dry instead of propping them up...they are going to be sorry.

Methods like having the dragon guy on the business show in an attempt to show Canadains the heart of the conservative , don't work..and making comedy skits aren't strong enough. Placing death threat utterers on panels won't work either.

Target the elderly as they are the ones that are keeping the conservatives strong.

It's quite obvious tho that the internet is scaring the cons...there mad insatiable appetite for control of the TV media has become obvious, control the message and you control the people and who they vote for. They are not stupid!

CBC lay the boots them ..I'm telling you again, rip them to smithereens...

There is only one thing the cons and libs are scared of and that is the NDP...they always have been and always will be.People want change etc etc. well there it is ..REAL CHANGE!!!

This could be a one time opportunity that only knocks once CBC.

 

absentia

Timebandit wrote:

 

No, thanks.  I'd rather make a documentary about killer robots. 

I look forward to seeing that on... on... where?

 

Yeah, this would be the moment to sieze - to release all that penned-up, repressed truth that's been giving the better CBC types the bends over the last few years. Assuming there still are better CBC types. This would be the moment to fight. But they won't. Eliot was right.

George Victor

quote: "Assuming there still are better CBC types."

 

Can't imagine Sunday morning without Michael Enright. Can't imagine how people can stay abreast of what's happening in small-town Canada without some CBC radio. And can't imagine who would serve what to FN people all across the north in more than a dozen dialects.

 

Trying to imagine a more dumbed-down Canada.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I am thoroughly pissed with the CBC sucking up to the Conservatives. But that almost seems like part of the plan - to destroy what was once an excellent broadcaster. The government, both LPC and CPC-led, have been hacking away at CBC's viability and relevance one strike at a time.

The sad thing is that once it's gone, we will have no rememdy to the crap that is fed to us by mainstream media. Even though the CBC is seriously injured, we can at least hope that a future government will invest in OUR broadcaster and restore its credibility. If it's gone, there will be no political will to create a public broadcaster of that size and quality. We'll be lucky if we even have a PBS with out-of-date reruns of British programming.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

There are things I don't like about CBC, but after The National they usually show a one hour documentary, and these docs have been bloody good for the most part. Tonight's was called (I think) "Bitter Chocolate" and about underaged children being forced to work at hard labour in chocolate factories. I went to bed early, though, and missed it. It's mostly Mansbridge and increasingly right-wing pundits that distress about me about the CBC. Evan Solomon sometimes gets it right, but he ain't no Don Newman. I wish Susan Bonner had been hired to take Don's place.

Caissa

I think supporting some targeted cuts at the CBC might be a good idea. Can I suggest Coach's Corner as this year's casualty? Wink 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Sheeesh - is "Coaches Corner" still on???? Who watches that sh*t???

George Victor

In case the smart assed who assume their take on the world should be the norm and have somehow missed the degree of the threat to another PUBLIC institution that is costing them really bugger-all in $ terms but is a necessary glue to the federation:

 

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Timebandit Timebandit's picture

absentia wrote:

Timebandit wrote:

 

No, thanks.  I'd rather make a documentary about killer robots. 

I look forward to seeing that on... on... where?

 

CBC.  In the spring.

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

Sheeesh - is "Coaches Corner" still on???? Who watches that sh*t???

Rob Ford.

 

al-Qa'bong

I like Don Cherry, except when he isn't talking about hockey.

Someone upthread mentioned not being able to imagine Sunday Morning without Mike Enright.  I can.  I don't particularly like Enright's chaise longue smoking-jacket style, and much prefer how the show was in the 70s, with Bronwyn Dranie, Lindon McIntyre and Nancy White.  And what today can compare with the delightful Allan McFee's voice announcing "Sunday Morning...third hour" after the breaks?

George Victor

Ah well, the critics will not have to worry about working up any of those picayune personality comparisons soon.  Don and Rob will play on other stations, along with their commercials and rightist rant. I can just imagine the lament then. Or perhaps it will just be more of the "oh well" resignation that infects threads here.

absentia

Timebandit wrote:

[killer robots]

CBC.  In the spring.

Now i'm really looking forward to it. Will you let me know when airing time approaches?

al-Qa'bong

Oh gosh, I forgot that one isn't allowed to express personal preferences that contradict those of the mighty and terrible George Victor .

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Let's see how much Don Cherry loves Harper when the Reform Party stops writing his cheques...LOL!!

George Victor

To roughly paraphrase old Harry T.....if you create a hot kitchen, take it, alQ...  (or something).

al-Qa'bong

Ah yes, don't mess with George - he's got the handle, we get the blade.

I suppose we should be grateful he deigns to share his presence with us at all.

6079_Smith_W

Timebandit wrote:

absentia wrote:

Timebandit wrote:

 

No, thanks.  I'd rather make a documentary about killer robots. 

I look forward to seeing that on... on... where?

 

CBC.  In the spring.

Seriously? I am looking forward to it, and I take it you have seen big dog then. As frightening as it is amazing.

And while I am no hockey fan, I do try to flick through coaches corner just to keep up on the latest upholstery swatches.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Seriously? I am looking forward to it, and I take it you have seen big dog then. As frightening as it is amazing.

Yep.  You think that's scary, look up Petman.  Same company.  Freaky.

Now if only they were the height of scary...

George Victor

Take a break, alQ.  You are well over the top.  If you don't like my responses to YOUR use of the knife, out of the blue like this one-liner :"Someone upthread mentioned not being able to imagine Sunday Morning without Mike Enright.  I can.  I don't particularly like Enright's chaise longue smoking-jacket style"

keep it sheathed.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

[quote=absentia

Now i'm really looking forward to it. Will you let me know when airing time approaches?

OK!

al-Qa'bong

George Victor wrote:

Take a break, alQ.  You are well over the top.  If you don't like my responses to YOUR use of the knife, out of the blue like this one-liner :"Someone upthread mentioned not being able to imagine Sunday Morning without Mike Enright.  I can.  I don't particularly like Enright's chaise longue smoking-jacket style"

keep it sheathed.

 

I was talking about Sunday Morning, not you Georgie, but thanks for your contributions to the civility of babble.

 

So Timebandit, what piqued your interest in killer robots? What are killer robots?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Wait....Cherry will undoubtedly blame the left wing pinko bleeding heart media for this...My bad.

6079_Smith_W

@ Timebandit

Never mind, I picked up a video about robots from the local library for the kids.

We were a bit surprised to find out that their favourite material for making robot prototypes is lego.

 

jas

Why do so many Conservative MPs look like this?

I know I'm going to get admonished for this, but seriously, it's like the party for young, fat, white boys who think they have all the answers.

jas

Anyway, our current dissatisfaction with our national public broadcaster is not a good excuse to say, "Sell it off!"  "Good riddance!"

People concerned should be letting their MPs know in no uncertain terms. The Canadian government is in the business of providing, through a Crown corporation, national public radio. It is an appropriate activity for government funding, particular to our geographic circumstances. That is part of our social contract. It is an expectation of Canadian citizens and taxpayers.

George Victor

You forgot "mean as junkyard dogs."Wink

And he represents Peterborough riding...where Walter Pitman, history teacher, was elected on the New Perty ticket, one year before the NDP was born, and before Tommy had finished his fight for medicare, etc. etc.

 

 

quote: "It is an appropriate activity for government funding, particular to our geographic circumstances. That is part of our social contract. It is an expectation of Canadian citizens and taxpayers." (The PCs thought so too when they hastily created it, along with a central bank and Air Canada. Of course, there was an element of "let's try to save our 1930's asses" when they did this.

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

So Timebandit, what piqued your interest in killer robots? What are killer robots?

Initially that the same company that makes my robot vacuum cleaner, the Roomba, also makes bomb disposal robots.  Then we found out that there are actually quite a lot of different military robots, some of which are capable of lethal force.  There's quite a big shift underway and it's kind of off the radar. 

al-Qa'bong

That company wouldn't be Omni Consumer Products, would it?

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Nope. iRobot.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I signed the CBC petition, and put it on Facebook.Smile

trippie

@ Timebandit Post #4

 

Oh, so your making a documentary about the Canadian Armed Forces... how original.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Heh trippie.  Me like.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

trippie wrote:

@ Timebandit Post #4

 

Oh, so your making a documentary about the Canadian Armed Forces... how original.

No, I've made a doc about killer robots.  I said nothing here about the Canadian Armed Forces, so I'm not sure where that idea came from.  They tend to be late adopters, so they don't figure prominently. 

Aside from the thread drift, CBC has cut back on non-series documentary/factual programming, but they are one of the very few broadcasters that will commission Canadian one-off documentaries - for their strands Doc Zone and The Nature of Things.  I think the loss of those strands would be a sad thing (and likely to happen with either shut-down or privatization), and not just because I work in documentary - these are films that are great quality and from a Canadian perspective, something that is becoming more and more rare.

PS - They used to make shows like you describe in post #2 (earnest, kitchen sink dramas on a shoestring budget) - people don't watch them because they're dead boring.  Filmmakers don't want to make them for the same reason - at least those who've gotten past their second year of film school.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Filmmakers don't want to make them because it's the end of their moneytrail.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Well #4 & #7 aren't oppressed in Canada to start.  jas shouldn't have posed his fat-phobic remarks but I have a concern you're more troubled by the white and male part of it.

 

Remember, it's the white and male part that control the money supply you so amply remind us of here.

siamdave

changed my mind

siamdave

RevolutionPlease wrote:

Well #4 & #7 aren't oppressed in Canada to start.  jas shouldn't have posed his fat-phobic remarks but I have a concern you're more troubled by the white and male part of it.

 

Remember, it's the white and male part that control the money supply you so amply remind us of here.

it's the apparent inabilty of some here to get beyond the idea that *some* white males control the money, therefore *all* while males are the enemy that makes me wonder how much chance we have of changing anything here.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

And it's beyond me why some white males have a hard time getting around that we're not the enemy but we have to be part of the solution.  Women and POC need to brought onboard.  I'm a white male, I see it, I'm truly privileged because of it.  Why does it upset you that much when it's framed that way?  It's what brought us to the situation we're in.  You know, "What Happened".  Until you recognize that, I too, wonder how much chance we have of changing anything. 

 

I've read your literature and appreciate a lot of it.  The last couple of posts help nothing.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

For the record, as you can see from the timestamp, siamdave deleted his post comparing "racism" and "sterotyping" of among other things, Women and POC to white men after my response.

absentia

Timebandit wrote:

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Aside from the thread drift, CBC has cut back on non-series documentary/factual programming, but they are one of the very few broadcasters that will commission Canadian one-off documentaries - for their strands Doc Zone and The Nature of Things.  I think the loss of those strands would be a sad thing (and likely to happen with either shut-down or privatization),

Sad hardly begins to describe it! These are about the only good documentaries (unless you like WWI, WWII, this war, that war and some other goddamn war - up with which i am to the back teeth fed) anywhere. The Discovery channel stuff is pretty, but repetitious (i hate, hate hate being told what i saw before the commercial and what i'll see after the commercial) and gee-whiz childish.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I assume you're talking about History Television?  Yeah, they're still a little war focused.  There was a particular commissioner there that was really into that and pretty much nothing but some years ago, I hoped it would loosen up when he moved on.  It hasn't really.  And they only do series these days.  But they are trying some things, Ancients Behaving Badly has apparently done well, sort of a comic-book feel to it.  At least it was taking a chance.  Discovery also doesn't go for anything that reflects on things much - if it's technology, it's all about how cool or neat-o it is, but you don't look at the bigger meaning.  Again mainly series and tons of CGI - and often repetitive use of the same piece of CGI.  They know that their dinosaur docs are popular with kids, it shows in the writing. 

Both of these are for-profit businesses, and they know what their audiences like.  It's hard to argue with the numbers.

CBC still has the public mandate, ravaged as it has become as they're pushed more and more toward the for-profit broadcast model.  The Liberals started the trend, after all.  Keeping the CBC going is a delicate political operation.  Sometimes they panic and screw up, but it's really a tightrope walk, has been for a long time now.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

RevolutionPlease wrote:

Filmmakers don't want to make them because it's the end of their moneytrail.

Yes, we like to be able to eat and pay our rent.  We're funny that way. 

The truth of the matter is, though, that "boy loves tractor", Soviet-social-realist style dramas tend to be didactic and utterly boring, and people will not watch them in this day and age.  Hence, making one would have to be a hobby effort. 

Sure, cod-liver oil is good for you, but you aren't going to take it for fun.

bobby boondoggle

Aside from a few glimmers on CBC radio one; political influence has destroyed what was once a world class public broadcaster. I was once a staunch supporter of the CBC but now realize without legislated protection from political manipulation, there can be no justification for public funding for what has become just another corporate broadcaster. I have written to successive ministers, the CRTC and the CBC board on many occasions and except for the CRTC have never received a reply. CBC was a great idea destroyed by successive corrupt governments. Canada has the worst record of any Western country regarding media ownership concentration. I, like many other Canadians no longer listen to or watch any of them. There are on-line examples of what the CBC once was and that is where we have to go to find independent accurate news both nationally and internationally. Good riddance to the corporate media including the CBC and Peter Mansbridge.

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Buddy Kat wrote:

I'll bet the workers at cbc think they are above lockouts and pink slips. But I fear a day with a color attached to it is coming. You know like a black Tuesday or a red Wednesday..and it's not like you weren't warned ...the writing has been on the wall for quite sometime .....oh I better stop typing so you have some time to do some more useless Tory brown nosing cbc...like it's going to matter.

Not sure why you'd think that - there was a lockout from August 2005 until October.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/10/09/CBCLO20051009.html

I suspect they are well aware that they can be locked out.

Buddy Kat

There is a reason the conservatives are divisive and that's because it works. Just like Trudeau did a massive public service firing and postal squishing during his mandate the same the conservatives can privatize or sell off the assets of cbc to any one..quite possibly it's competitors or former communications director of conservatives or just scrap the whole network.

As it is right now conservative people see the cbc as a liberal network. . Lefty's swear it's now a conservative network ..in the end cbc is trying to balance itself standing on the fence..and guess what? They will fall off and be never more.

I'll bet the workers at cbc think they are above lockouts and pink slips. But I fear a day with a color attached to it is coming. You know like a black Tuesday or a red Wednesday..and it's not like you weren't warned ...the writing has been on the wall for quite sometime .....oh I better stop typing so you have some time to do some more useless Tory brown nosing cbc...like it's going to matter.

Mr neocon just has to say to the public .."We will take that multi billion dollar savings and pay of some of our debt or create a shovel up your ass work project" and they will be supported...then what CBC? Cry and whine! Or better yet say " we will build an old folks home or spend the money on mri's "...bye bye!

Believe me the amount of money the conservatives are watching being spent on the cbc is driving them mad...and the deficit they have created is making a cbc fire sale so tempting they drool over their parliamentary desks like the wet lipped neocons they are...oh you are going to so pay for playing the right wing game you will get no empathy at all...other than the friends and family of cbc workers groups but who will cover it? ctv?...global? who? The only coverage your going to get will be on this forum....

 

Don't get me wrong ..I love the CBC but this is what is happening as I see it.

edited to add: During and after the destruction of the Paul Martin liberals while Gomery was going on ..the cbc thought it would be a temporary thing pumping up the conservatives and helping destroy the Liberal party ... just for a few years they thought....boy did they ever screw up. Rule number one never ...I repeat never give a conservative a loaded weapon....don't you know "the only good ____ belongs  in the mortuary". chuckle chuckle chuckleLaughing

edited again: to add some flanagen chuckles at the end.

 

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