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mybabble

CBC gets a new look as Harper decks the halls and one has to wonder who decides what broadcasters will talk about next?  As clearly the CBC is stuck on the Conservatives.  And you just gotta know with all this harping about Iggy and the poles tells you the listener has been sold out as broadcasters stay away from the real issues.  Why?  It wins elections and Harper holds the money strings.

Tommy_Paine

Marg Bedore wrote:

Evan gave Opus Dei a platform as if this was a mainstream group.  I can just see Jason Kenny flagellating.

 

That's always a tough call though.   Sometimes, if you rush to decry or debunk something on the margins, then you end up giving it more attention than it would have otherwise merited, and they actually end up benifitting from your efforts.

 

However, I think in this case Opus Dei already been given a platform and podium in Ottawa by some whack job M.P.'s so I don't think Solomon ended up giving Father Doyle any more, or any good publicity.

 

Unwittingly or wittingly, Solomon turned over a rock for Martin to shine the studio lights on.

remind remind's picture

She did not like him calling someone a whale penis?

Tommy_Paine

 

According to this guy, Dork has never been used to mean a whale penis.  

 

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2009/05/05/dork-definition.htm

 

My daughters use the word "Dork" as a variant of geek or nerd, for example someone who would take the time to debunk incorrect usage of the word dork, would be, in fact, a dork.

 

A penis of a blue whale was measured and found to be 8 feet long, flacid.   I do not know how long it would be fully engorged.

 

I couldn't get my scuba gear on fast enough, and Barry White sounds totally different underwater, anyway.

 

 

 

 

Tommy_Paine

What, you think being an empiricist is all clean lab coats and shiny test tubes?

 

Sometimes you have to get dirty...... verrrry dirty.......

Slumberjack

No, not those kind of coats.

Tommy_Paine

 

Oh, sometimes I wear a plain, straight jacket.

 

My research takes me to a lot of places where there's a certain dress code.

thorin_bane

oldgoat wrote:

Hi alan.  Seems catchfire's diplomatic approach isn't effective, and you refuse to grab a clue.  Catchfire really does the diplomatic thing well though, doesn't he?  I taught him everything he knows.  I'm so proud.

 

Anyway, I'm suspending you pending further discussion for mysogeny and general orneryness.  Oh, also that you admit upthread that you're the King of Spain.  I thought our side cleared up that infestation of Bourbons over 200 years ago, but I guess it's time to spray again.

 

Cheers

I dont agree there is cleaqrly a double standard. If I called him a dickhead there would be NOOO reprecusions. I also agree with Alan on this issue. Not every comment warrants the response here on rabble. I have been called sexist racist you name it. yet these same people can say a lot of things that would get anyone else thrown in the klink.

I am not religious but there is HUGE religious intolerance on this board wtr to christians. That is a fact. just look at comments about kenny or day.

This board has done a good job chasing away many lefties because of outrage at nothin. I know I have left on many occasions.

But whatever, our tent is only big enough for those that are totally PC unless it involves something they don't agree with. FACT

 

Or am I also to be banned because I don't agree with the misogyny police.

al-Qa'bong

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But whatever, our tent is only big enough for those that are totally PC unless it involves something they don't agree with. FACT

 

Well no, this isn't really a fact. I loathe political correctness, yet I've managed to stay around for over eight years (which I admit includes a couple of years I was "on strike" over at EnMasse - which is even more politically correct than babble, though).

thorin_bane

Thats my point you and I have stuck around despite PC issues. I am economically left and I strongly believe in civil rights but sometimes I shake my head. The guy used a term you hear on Colbert report, family guy, whatever and is beaten like a red headed step child(this term  is also not PC i understand from this board) When I was accused of a number of things it certainly turned me off "from our side".   Maybe my posts aren't that valuable but I do get tired of the PC police and take breaks here and there. Sometimes you need to coax these people along slowly instead of hitting them in the face with a skillet. I still ain't happy with free speach except no free speach on this board but I abide by the rules as much as I can.

Sadly my thread got completely derailed. I think it has merrit ourside of the douche bag issue. CBC really has taken a shift, no tumble to the right and this needs to be addressed.

ETA yes it is selective here. Just check threads about religeon. While I have long lost my worship of gawd, I still see attacks on religious people on this board routinely, outside of politics even.  This doesn't effect me but it is a double standard we have. Can't say dbag but go ahead and bash religeon, which like I mentioned I am not part of.

OK here comes all the poeple to put me in my place about how I don't understand, or it isn't the same. or or or.

Tommy_Paine

 

I think babble was worse for this in the past.  I don't think it's as bad now.  

 

Self censorship is a bad thing, they say.  But they also say know your audience.    If you want to communicate effectively to French people, you should probably speak French, and self censor your English.

On the language issues concerning identity politics, yes, I think there's been a handfull of babblers over the years who use that to control, brow beat and otherwise stiffle certain points of view.  And I think they did that in a pathological kinda way.   But, when I say handfull, I mean, over the course of ten years here, two or three people.   We do have our Robbespierres.  It's to be expected.

The rest of it I guess over time you start to understand where it comes from.   Certain words don't sting us, Thorin, because they've never been used agaisnt us. Time to walk a bit in someone else's shoes.  

On religion and how it's treated here.  I will grant that certain forms of Christianity get both barrels, deservedly, while certain forms of Judiasm and Islam aren't often put in anyone's sights.

 

Which segues nicely back to your very valuable topic.  In the Pat Martin segment, Solomon did show is obeyance to the political overlords by leading Martin into the one trap he witlessly fell into.

Because, quite honestly I'd have no problem saying, and do have no problem saying that certain cults in Islam creep me out, and certain cults within Judaism creep me out, just like Opus Dei does. 

And they darn well should creep Pat Martin out, as they should any thinking person.

Martin self censored because such a thing wouldn't be PC.  

But I think not, at the least, saying that the Taliban brand of Islamic fundamentalism isn't (to say the least) creepy is mysogyny by omission. And, of course we have the small sects of Islam in Iran that rather dramatically engage in self mortification-- which would make Opus Dei adherants look like wannabe's.   And Ultra Orthodox Judiasm which views women as baby making machines in order to out breed Palistinians in the settlements is creepy too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I watched P&P twice this week, and on one show Solomon raised the Pat Martin comment about Opus Dei, with an outraged Ezra Levant calling Pat Martin a religious bigot, and Solomon himself called that episode "Is There Religious Intolerance in Parliament?" or something similar. The second P&P I watched this week was the one with both Pat Martin and the leader of Opus Dei, with Solomon trying to intimidate Pat Martin. After that crapfest, I don't see how Solomon has any credibility left as an unbiased CBC host.

thorin_bane

I agree Tommy, I also understand the word issue as I dont use it around her, just like if I was with religious people I wouldnt say Goddamn even though I do use it on occasion in regular conversation. Out of respect for people. I think he was upset because he didn't know that word was verbotten. It is pretty common outside of progressive circles.

So when you get torn a new asshole(which I cant say here either) and you don't know why, you tend to get pissed off. Yeah we know what not to say because we have been around these parts for some time. MOST dont. Anyway should this person come back maybe we could try to explain it a little better. We put up with trolls for extended periods that really do break policy but they are polite, but someone who I beleive to be progressive (from their posts) gets tossed because they havent been lectured in all that is PC....well not my board. We are tolerant except when we aren't.

I was watching that and was hoping pat martin to be better prepared. Maybe something  like Taliban are called worse than creepy...but that wouldnt help the cause at all. I think it would only reinforce NDP=enemy lovers even more. Yes Evan laid a trap for sure on this one. "Even if pat martin was good enough to agree to come on". I dont think he even questioned the priest(who made me feel creeped out) much. Self flagulation may be something we have done in the past but so are crusades and inquesitions. 

Martin was trying to use the "i am catholic so clearly I can critisize it" angle but was already caught. I felt bad for him as I knew how the interview was going to go with Evan being smug and useless as usual.

Not pleasant to watch and you know come monday this will be a headline when it shouldnt be.

thorin_bane

Boom Boom I think what we have is evidence that the author who wrote the book about the religious right are taking over is correct. The priest even acknowledged that he was right of center, but Evan barely made a point of questioning him on politics of state vs religion. No surprise, It might be because he is jewish and didn't want back lash but I am more inclined to believe he is just a con plant so it doesnt make any differance what Evan religion is was are.

I don't like laughing Barton much but she is better than giggles soloman. When she was down here reporting on Layton she thought she was pretty damn important and was very pushy. Rude is the perfect word I would give her. but she does a better job moderating when Evan is off. Not saying much though. I watched PowerPlay this week. I don't think I like the host that much , he is again another smug asshole and talks down and insinuates to his guests with his own POV.

What do these people not understand about being impartial. How hard is it? I mean even a bit would be good. Evan a lot more would be great.

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PowerPlay host is Tom Clark - I grew up watching him do various international reporting stints at CTV. As for P&P, I like Rosemary Barton more than Evan Solomon - but I especially miss Susan Bonner (now at CBC Washington desk) who used to host in Don Newman's absence. And, by the way, the more I see of Evan Solomon, the more I miss Don Newman.Cry

 

 

ETA: at least Newman is on P&P every Friday to wrap up the week, along with the exceptionally good Daniel Lessard. Lessard and I are Facebook friends and we converse occasionally.

thorin_bane

I liked the travers leassard don use to have. They looked unbiased for the most part.

Tommy_Paine

 

That whole Martin/Opus Dei thing was because Ezra "Whack Job" Levant got his knickers in a knot?

 

 

You know, back in the 1800's they used to charge admission to the infamous Bedlam insane asylum so people could entertain themselves watching the mentally ill.

 

I would have thought the CBC above all that, and more enlightened.

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I would think the problem has been who is doing the hiring? My understanding is that Carole Taylor put a lot of executive types into place during her term as President and mandated them to become more like the other media so as to be commercially competitive.  It seems since the revolutions in the boardroom a decade ago we have a new generation of CBC producers and managers who believe in an Ayn Rand world.  Chomsky got it right in my opinion.  You don't need to tell people what to say if you only hire people who share your ideology.

Tommy_Paine

 

And there's a certain tipping point, no doubt, where otherwise centerists or left of center people get the drift that if they want to work in this town, they have to adjust their point of view.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

After reading another thread about ass nubbies I think that the poster who was suspended was not given an adequate explanation of the rules and the possible alternatives to the sexist "douche bag" term.  Since it is not about respect but strictly gender he should have been told to stop using that term and to replace it with enema bag.  I think that Don Cherry is an enema bag and John Baird is an ass nubby.  I believe this new poster did not quite understand the subtitles of our insult usage and was not given the right information to be able to insult effectively and within the bounds of the permissible. 

 

thorin_bane

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/06/07/pmo-message-event-proposals....

Hmm speaking of controlling things. And the hits just keep on coming. How do the 22% of voters still believe in this group at all, and how do the 40% not voting get out there and do something about it!

NorthReport

The NDP can relate in many ways with the Cons about the puke Liberal CBC. PBS, where are you, because Canada desperately needs you.

 

Conservative pundit Kory Teneycke quits CBC

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/conservativ...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The best Canadian programming on the tube is on the Knowledge Network.  

No Yards No Yards's picture

I fell asleep in watching CBC the other night (Hockey I think it was) and work up early in the morning to some business show I assume, interviewing some executive from Loews being seriously interviewed by some woman about how to be politically active ... pack you car and go help to clean the oil the gulf or donate to the fishers affected by the spill, I believe was the main suggestions ... This Loews company, who believes political activism is simply to help clean up after a corporations mess, but fails to mention stronger regulations, is a big player in offshore drilling and tobacco.

Her next guest was Jeb Bush, who she ended that interview with a question about whether he was going to run for president, because as she said "there are many of us out there that believe there shuld be another Bush in the white house".

Why are there no progressive media outlets (TV or radio) in Canada? In the USA, as small as the progressive media is, there are actually some ... MSNBC, by US standards is progressive, and there are probably 10% of the talk radio that does more or less progressive (again by US standards) shows ... in Canada I haven't run across anything approaching a Canadian equivalent of MSNBC or progressive talk radio.

All Toronto talk radio seems to be totally right wing crap ... Michael Moore on 1010 is a Libertarian, with a few progressive views, but that's about all I have ever found (on my "one day a week" drive home these days I usually switch over to 1520 to get a weak staticy station from Buffalo, which runs US progressive talk radio.)

thorin_bane

What are you talking about clearly the toronto star is a communist bastion /sarcasm...

I have to say Barton did a decent job modding on monday. Still hate Soloman though. Can we have the Con Ministers actually get debated on the show the way we use to with Newman? Sorry media control...just check the news form 2 days ago.

I am sooo happy that Kory has quit. The only question what duffy esq blowhard from the right will replace him. You know it wont be a leftish or even center right person. Someone falling off the map. Maybe more frum and levant is my guess. Maybe some other scholar from CD Howe?

Shall we make a pool?

Mike Harris or Tim Powers? Myron Thompson, Deb Gray but she aint right enough. I know I know Ari Flescher..he might be a little too red but he is an american so close enough.

al-Qa'bong

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Why are there no progressive media outlets (TV or radio) in Canada?

 

Our community radio station qualifies as "progressive."

 

Check out Radio Active (hosted by "Cam McCommie" according to a Liberal guy I know), Laundry List (feminist), Pocket Mulch (environmentalist) and Making the Links, hosted by local activist and one-time federal Nude Em candidate (I had his sign on my lawn) Don Kossick.

 

Even some of the music shows are political.

 

We're on the interwebs at cfcr.ca

 

Check your local campus/community station for Alternative Radio if you like speakers such as Noam Chomsky, George Galloway, Tariq Ali, and Naomi Klein.

Erik Redburn

The problem is those kind of alternative stations reach a teeny tiny fraction of the audience, and make no attempt at looking objective even when reporting events.   

I think it's a good question why the political expectations of sixty-seventy percent of Canadians (liberal to left) cannot be met by a so-called free market.  Kind of undermines the whole theory when we consider how much potential money could be made.  (yes, some newspapers are still profitible and broadcast media moreso)  

thorin_bane

Because I think the libs don't qualify under progressive, at least not on economics with slash and burn martin. He did everything the way bay street wanted so why would there be a need to fill in the ndp/green-ish vote of say 25% of voters who really only make up 15% of the entire polulation.

Did I mention susan smith is a horrible hack. Seriously the recent poll even says layton or even bob frickin rae are wanted by the public, but like the old country song goes, she will stand by her man, iggy that is. The cbc has 2 of the libs I hate most in reid and smith. Where are allen rock, or the axworthy's how about tobin? I guess I should be greatful it isn't manley on there or mckenna.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Susan Smith was there to balance that Kory guy. He's gone (yay!) but Smith is still there. She's profoundly embarrassing by her unwavering support for Iggy the Loser.

Erik Redburn

thorin_bane wrote:

Because I think the libs don't qualify under progressive, at least not on economics with slash and burn martin. He did everything the way bay street wanted so why would there be a need to fill in the ndp/green-ish vote of say 25% of voters who really only make up 15% of the entire polulation.

I think that's only because neo-liberalism was first sold to the average small-l liberal by the new right's complete takeover of our media and their complete abandonment of journalistic independence and integrity.  Most Canadians polled still insist they'd rather have some government for their money, not less, and most I'd bet would rather spend our money closer to home than Afghanistan.  

Conrad Black blithely lost billions on the Post, and the Aspers on Canwest, despite a near monopoly west of Ontario -why?  Because it still served their interests as propoganda tools for their other vested interests.  Modern corporatism goes well beyond owner-operator capitalism of old.  I think Canada (and even the States) could easily support a left of centre publication, even if theres not a lot of billionaires around willing to invest in it.  Managerial overhead and shareholder expectations would just have to be more modest.

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Where are allen rock, or the axworthy's how about tobin? I guess I should be greatful it isn't manley on there or mckenna.

 

Ya, I had some respect for their Tobin, Rock and Axeworthy wing too, but they alas abandoned ship like everyone else with an ounce of respect for the citizens who still foot their bills.   Manley and McKenna have I hope outlasted their own best-before.  Is there anyone else on their horizon, with more depth than Trudeau two? 

So sad, with all the resources at our disposal we should have been contenders.

thorin_bane

Funny you can almost know who progressives like in the lib party it seems odd they have been hellbent on going right. To the point of dispensing with democracy in the coronation of iggy. All I know is Rae is laughing his ass of right now. "You guys chose this putz, not me." As much as we have our issues with Robert, we all know he could not have done worse against Harper, that is unless you consider the liberal bankers that control the party never wanted opposition anyway.

WTR to P&P...umm bring back newman or bonner for the love of all things unholy. Hell give the show to Barton at least she bothers to question the people on the show.  I noticed Evan trying to sound inquisitive but it doesn't seem like his heart is in it.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

thorin_bane wrote:
WTR to P&P...umm bring back newman or bonner for the love of all things unholy. Hell give the show to Barton at least she bothers to question the people on the show. 

Exactly how I feel about the show. As Newman is retired, Bonner and Barton together or alternating would be fantastic.

al-Qa'bong

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The problem is those kind of alternative stations reach a teeny tiny fraction of the audience, and make no attempt at looking objective even when reporting events.  

As opposed to the heavily-biased corporate media which are successful at appearing objective?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

This is what I listen too.  It uses a lot of BBC stuff but it has many great interviews and the music is non stop when it is music time.  Far better panel discussions than the CBC with people who are knowledgeable but not media spin doctors.

 

http://radiotime.com/station/s_24838/Village_900.aspx

Erik Redburn

al-Qa'bong wrote:

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The problem is those kind of alternative stations reach a teeny tiny fraction of the audience, and make no attempt at looking objective even when reporting events.  

As opposed to the heavily-biased corporate media which are successful at appearing objective?

 

I was talking about the daily reality that most Canadians see reflected, it should be obvious I'm not speaking in Support of the corporate media.    

Just for your sake though, I will add that they often Do do a better job of 'Appearing' objective, and I will reiterate my long standing difference with the post-modern left that political or journalistic 'objectivity' is not impossible in the first place.

al-Qa'bong

On more than just your say-so, how do you think media objectivity could be achieved?  Do you have examples of its ever having existed?

I'll admit to being influenced by Ben Bagdikian on this, but I think media objectivity is a myth.

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Ben Bagdikian discussed the objectivity doctrine in his book The Media Monopoly. He writes that objectivity "contradicted the essentially subjective nature of journalism. Every basic step in the journalistic process involves a value-laden decision: Which of the infinite number of events in the environment will be assigned for coverage and which ignored? Which of the infinite observations confronting the reporter will be noted? Which of the facts noted will be included in the story? Which of the reported events will become the first paragraph? . . . The safest method of reporting news was to reproduce the words of authority figures, and in the nature of public relations most authority fig-ures issue a high quotient of imprecise and self-serving declarations."

http://www.mediamythmakers.com/excerpt_one.html

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

It might be useful to point out that newspapers had their origin with political parties. They were expected to be partisan. The ideology of objective journalism came later, with the development of newspapers as profitable businesses (ha ha) subject to the usual demands of capitalist firms, driven by advertisers dollars, and so on.

al-Qa'bong

Yeah, back when papers made money principally through sales they were overtly partisan.  Their "objectivity" came about as a consequence of having to appeal to the lowest common denominator when advertising became their main source of revenue.

thorin_bane

The funny thing is newpapers ads pay for the paper, people buying is just gravy. So it never did matter as long advertisers paid the paper to spew their propaganda without it costing the paper too much, unlike the National Post. I think the point is if everything is right of center there is NO objectivity at all.

With Kory going on to start a whole new news network with Ezra Levant to be "balanced and unbiased" where have we heard that before? We are going to be even more under the thumb of propaganda. It is getting hard to fight it because people sight the front page article(even if its opinion) and not the page h36 story that says what is really going on. But hey they both got coverage one with 2 coulmn inches and the other with a front page blasting headline, but they both got covered.

I wrote to P&P about how bad Evan was esp tonight. No one even mentioned steam boat tony who has a 400,000 boat that isn't seaworthy for 2 more years but that is money well spent on the g8 summit?

Seriously my new job is to get this shill fired. At least moved out of the chiar for someone with less clear conservative bias(should also pound the producer as he is responsible for this as well.) How come the media is covering the "coalition" more than anything else. I guess talk about something that doesn't cost money is more sexy of an issue than the fiscal conservatives billion dollar boondoggle of the G summits.

thorin_bane

I would add that Csis or however is working at the CBC is doing a fine job of censorship. I have been following the guildlines and most of my posts on a variety of topics are not going through. They aren't even as inflamatory as what I write here.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Nothing you write is inflammatory, thorin. Maybe "hot" , like dragon's breath or something, but inflammatory? Never.

Chomsky has a good quote about how propaganda works in a so-called "democracy". The censorship is self-censorship founded on shared, but unspoken, values. If you have to ask, then you don't belong. Sort of like buying an expensive car. In fact, it's probably the same crowd.

thorin_bane

Wink Yeah I know. Chomsky doesn't appear to be in the best of health these days. He will be sorely missed. Like you and noam mention, self censorship is how one advances. If one understands how the politics work you may enev do it at a subconscious level. Don't raise your head or your master will strike you analogy.

thorin_bane

Great Chris Halll who was on the rightside of politics on the old show is hosting Today. Not that I think he worse than Evan, not even close. But they haven't had an Oppposition member on that I have seen(from 5:10 on). The had the 'liberal' finance minister in BC saying how great the HST will be right after Flaherty had 14 minutes on it. Chris Hall, Umm any serious questions...nope I guess not. He did ask about weather it was successful elsewhere. The BC guy say "yes it has been IN MY OPINION" WOW!!

Just before the break, Chris Hall calls Stephen Lewis "a well known activist" Oh an activist like all those 'tree hugger types' is how it sounded to me. Maybe I am sensitive, the guy was an MP and helped destroy the waffle a side note, but has done a lot. I think its a little mean to off the cuff just call him "a well known activist."

Barton with a nice jab at the NDP for not doing enough. umm are they the opposition?

Oh goody scott reid and ditchburn bashing the NDP...Scott what has party done? Jen maybe you want to cover the libs doing SFA, NO? Sorry continue to bash the NDP, at least you are bothering to cover them.

Over to you Falanagan<---its for security reasons, we cant say anything against it!

Then they lump the NDP and Bloc with everyone else not doing anything this session.  OK which is it?

Now the panel is going to jump over to stockwell day....I guess we wouldn't want to hear disenting opinion on thg elast week of session do we. Pathetic excuse for a politics show. This is the 3P show. Power, Politics & Propaganda...not in any order.

Hey how about a comment on us setting up deep sea drilling after all that has happened in the gulf? No we don't want to discuss this do we? Oh right serious question that your producer wouldn't want have.

Ditchburn needs a kick in the face. Just reported the NDP put a deadline on the Afghan Documents she response with "Ewwwwww" how professional what an asshole.

thorin_bane

Yesterday was of interest. Evan doing everything to make an excuse for the prime minister. They can not fire this pile of wasted protaplasm fast enough.

Tom Flanagan on the other hand should be asked to appologoze to everyone and be asked to leave the program what an effing disgrace this guy is.

thorin_bane

My friend Soloman was doing quite the spin job on P&P with regard to Kory the tory "Just for the record" Shove it up your ass. It has nothing to do with infantile leaps in logic. I am pretty upset at him. He was defending this like no ones business. I can't believe he is still on the CBC. The entire interview he attacked the guy from the online petition like his kid was in a schoolyard fight. Sickening. WHere is Rosemarie Barton please.

I may have to contact CBC again. I am not alone as you read the words at the CBC board a lot of people have clued in. Someone else mentioned about how if there are no right wingers at the cbc than who are Evan Soloman and Rex Murphy. I thought to myself "I have a website for you"

ETA they just put a dog howl onto the show that makes Evan laugh. He loves it. OK OK OK end this abortion now please. I don't want entertainment like Tom Foolery and his pop gun yesterday. I want news based on facts. That is why Kory TV is so stupid.

 

thorin_bane

Now beating a dead horse. Today Dewar was asked to come on. They claimed no conservative would go on the panel. SO Evan interupts Paul through all his answers "Just to be fair" while delivering conservative talking points. Then strangely Hawn shows up and gets to talk freely while talking about AL Gore? Then Evan interupts Dewar when he goes to respond.

I will soon be writting to the ombudsman because this is getting rediculous. Why have a guest on if you don't even let him speak. Bill O'Reilly would be proud.

Like many comment about the show"hey Evan are you looking for a senate seat?"

trippie

The CBC is a state owned and run enterprise. It is there to propagate the state. You are getting yourself all worked up over something that is set up against you.

 

It's better just to say your good byes.

 

 

siamdave

trippie wrote:

The CBC is a state owned and run enterprise. It is there to propagate the state. You are getting yourself all worked up over something that is set up against you.

It's better just to say your good byes.

- giving up is not a good idea - we see what the right do with somewhat constrained power - with unlimited power, we're back to feudalism-cum-1984 - not good. The *current* state is certainly working against us - but that means *our* democracy has been usurped, and we need to fight to get it back. When *our* government speaks for *us*, then something like the CBC is *our* voice - in contrast to privately owned media, which invariably speak for the rich who own them. The goals and POVs of the rich are *not* the voice of the average Cdn citizen, as we see all too well in the corporate media. You may be too young to remember days when the CBC was really up there with the BBC (of the times - the current BBC is getting pretty NWO-er too, from what I see) in terms of high quality broadcasting, favoring no one, letting all speak - but those were the days when life in Canada was pretty centric, and the far rightwingers were understood to be a fringe minority.  If you can remember shows like Gzowski's Morningside, or Watson-LaPerierre's This Hour Has Seven Days, or the fabled Lister Sinclair's Ideas, or various others from those times, you would have a more balanced view of what the CBC *should* and could be - and be calling for its restoration as a voice for we the people, rather than its current state of being morphed into just another secretary for the rightwing usurpers of *our* democracy. A read of What Happened? http://www.rudemacedon.ca/what-happened.html might give you a bit more perspective.

Farmpunk

Jeez, SDave, do you post a response to anything without a plug for that site?  It's cool that you've found something you want to share but this is approaching spam stage.

I occasionally watch the PandP segments online.  Solomon doesn't seem to have a good handle on the show.  So if he's replaced, who will step in?  I like Bonnar, not so fond of Barton (she sucked whilst hosting radio's version of PandP, The House). 

I was at the University of Western Ontario a couple years ago when Iggy was giving one of his then set speeches to crowds of joyous Libs and fawning staffers.  Bonner was there and grilled him pretty nicely afterwards in the scrum. 

 

siamdave

Farmpunk wrote:

Jeez, SDave, do you post a response to anything without a plug for that site?  It's cool that you've found something you want to share but this is approaching spam stage.

- what is happening in our society is a bit too long for twitter, so I spent some time trying to explain it in some detail, and when I comment on something related, I suggest if anyone is interested in what I am saying, the arguments etc are explained in more detail here. I've been accused of spamming before - I don't think it qualifies, but I guess different people have different ideas about lots of things. The thing is - if you haven't read it, as you apparently haven't - what is your objection, exactly? Why don't you want people reading something you haven't read?

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