What The Media Should Shut Up About

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Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

So, writers who disagree with you about how the Biden administration might play out should just shut up because you have all the answers and you are so much more intelligent than they are. Is that what you are saying?

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Ari sez: Shut up, Chomsky, you senile old fool.

Aristotleded24

What I'm saying is that I find the idea that progressives have any sway over a Biden administration to be highly naieve, considering how history plays itself out whenever Democrats are elected. Chomsky has laid out what many feel is a convincing argument for why removing Trump is a critical thing to do. I respect that, he is entitled to that view. Some people have differing views on the subject. In particular, I see so many headlines on the CommonDreams website saying things like, "progressives demand no oil executives in Biden Cabinet," "Biden should not have Wall Street people" or things to that effect, however given Biden's history, it seems a done deal that these are the exact people who are going to get those positions.

I just don't think working with any of the 2 main corporatist parties is going to get anywhere. It's the same reason I twice volunteered on a federal NDP campaign in a riding that was a Liberal-Conservative race. A good showing for the NDP in that riding is a vote percentage that cracks double digits.

Aristotleded24

I can't be the only person thinking this, so it needs to be said: I'm sick of hearing about long covid in the media. Yes, it's a thing, and on an individual basis we sympathize with the people affected. But we've known for a whole fucking year that long covid is a thing. In fact, long covid seems to be similar to "long-any-virus." We are constantly bombarded with stories about people suffering from long covid. Why is suffering from long covid any worse than people who suffer from other causes, that don't receive media attention? Is all this media attention really helping long covid sufferers? Or is the media using their suffering to continually instill fear in the population while the suffering goes on?

We know long covid is a thing. Let's direct time and energy to understanding this phenomenon better. Are there certain people more at risk for this? Are there treatment options that reduce the risk of long covid? Should long covid be treated as its own condition, or should people see different specialists depending on symptoms (for example, respiratory therapists)?

Better yet, why not capitalize on the public awareness of long covid to not only help out people with long covid, but to learn more and help people with long-any-virus, who have suffered for so long outside the glare of media attention?

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

No COVID means no long (haul) COVID. I have no problem with people being made aware that COVID is not only dangerous as an acute infection but can have long lasting, debilitating consequences. And the more the media reports on this phenomena as well as how more younger people are getting serious COVID illness, the better. Maybe the arrogant attitude at the start of the pandemic that only "old people" had to worry can be dropped for good.

Aristotleded24

laine lowe wrote:
No COVID means no long (haul) COVID. I have no problem with people being made aware that COVID is not only dangerous as an acute infection but can have long lasting, debilitating consequences. And the more the media reports on this phenomena as well as how more younger people are getting serious COVID illness, the better. Maybe the arrogant attitude at the start of the pandemic that only "old people" had to worry can be dropped for good.

Laine, I have to say that I am particularly disappointed in your posts on the issue of the coronavirus, to the point of supporting authoritarian restrictions that reduce my sociality because I live at home by myself while you shrug off any concerns about the negative impacts with a "let-them-eat-cake" attitude whenever they are brought up. We are all aware of long-covid. It has been reported in the media non-stop since 2020. Given the sheer number of people infected with the virus, there are going to be young people, some of them previously healthy, who fall seriously ill. It's not a surprise that the media is going to cherry-pick these very unfortunate cases to whip up fear in the population in order to get people to pay attention, because that is the business the media is in. So yeah, we know that long covid is a thing. These continuous news reports aren't going to make a difference. It will only inflame fear in people who are already afraid of the virus, and those who aren't will simply roll their eyes and move on. And I'm really tired about hearing about covid as if it is the only source of misery in the world that we need to address. So many other things are happening. And we are never going to get to zero covid. Once a virus makes it into the population, it ends up becoming endemic, and covid was likely endemic in the human population before it was reported to the WHO in December 2019. And all the news stories in the world aren't helping anyone in any practical terms. And the shameful bullying and strawmaning of lockdown skeptics who say things like "are we over-reacting to the threat," "these measures are causing more harm than good," and "care home outbreaks have happened even in lockdowns" is disgusting, espeically from people who present themselves as compassionate and caring. It's also particularly disgusting that lockdowners accused skeptics of not caring about old people when they asked if there are better ways to protect them. Which is ironic since their hero Andrew Cuomo is responsible for the deaths of literally thousands of elderly, while Florida did an objectively better job protecting its elderly popluation without lockdowns.

So yeah, long covid is a thing. People have also been suffering with lots of other "things" in silence for decades that nobody has cared about, as per that Vox article. You can't undo what has happened, and all the news stories in the world won't help those who have become ill. When a simple statement like, "I think we should learn more about long covid so we can design effective therapies" is problematic, we are in serious trouble.

kropotkin1951

Once a virus makes it into the population, it ends up becoming endemic, and covid was likely endemic in the human population before it was reported to the WHO in December 2019. And all the news stories in the world aren't helping anyone in any practical terms.

Who needs news stories when we can get insight like this instead.

 

Aristotleded24

Something else I'm tired of hearing about is "the next pandemic." Since they tend to happen a few decades apart, we forget that pandemics are naturally recurring phenomenon. Let's compare with hurricanes, which tend to happen along parts of the East Coast of the United States. They have protocols, warnings, and things they do when hurricanes happen. You know what you don't hear about in the middle of an active hurricane from the authorities? Talk about how "we need to prepare for the next hurricane." They simply deal with the threat at hand, and then move on. That's what we need to do here. Focus on getting us through the current pandemic (although the way the World Health Organization is talking I think there are a lot of people who don't want this pandemic to end), learn what we can, and apply the lessons so that when (not if) the next pandemic hits we can actually survive it without everything shutting down.

kropotkin1951

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Something else I'm tired of hearing about is "the next pandemic." Since they tend to happen a few decades apart, we forget that pandemics are naturally recurring phenomenon. Let's compare with hurricanes, which tend to happen along parts of the East Coast of the United States. They have protocols, warnings, and things they do when hurricanes happen. You know what you don't hear about in the middle of an active hurricane from the authorities? Talk about how "we need to prepare for the next hurricane." They simply deal with the threat at hand, and then move on.

Indeed that is the American way and its fucking sucks for anyone without means. In most countries civil society leaders from all parts of the population support public health measures that ensure that peoples safety is not dependent on their own personal circumstances. Read how many deaths Cuba has had from hurricane's compared to the Eastern Seaboard. In the US they never look at what is wrong with their system because it is designed to give people the right to give their neighbours the finger.

Aristotleded24

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Read how many deaths Cuba has had from hurricane's compared to the Eastern Seaboard. In the US they never look at what is wrong with their system because it is designed to give people the right to give their neighbours the finger.

Even in Cuba, when the hurricane is active, the authorities focus on the threat that is immediately in front of them. They don't talk about "we have to prepare for the next hurricane" right when the disaster is unfolding in front of them.

Same thing on the Prairies when a blizzard moves through. When the threat is active, we deal with it and stay in the present moment. We don't hear news reports about how "we have to prepare for the next blizzard" when the snow is still coming down and the ploughs haven't made it to our street yet.

kropotkin1951

In Cuba they deal with it in the moment by acting as one. You don't get to piss into the wind, you go to a shelter. No one dies for their freedom.

Aristotleded24

Completely missing the point I was trying to make. Moving on.

Aristotleded24

While we have our disagreements about many things here on babble, can we all at least agree that the constant stories in the news about UFOs and aliens is really irritating?

cco

I suspect Daniel Boorstin would find it very familiar. "Breaking news: an hour spent explaining that we don't know what we're looking at." That said, I find it less offensive than war propaganda or celebrity nonsense like the "royals".

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