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iyraste1313
Boycott the CBC!!!

I remember when the Current came out calling the brave people of Donbass voting overwhelming in support of independence, a bunch of thugs...yes I followed procedure as below, taking it to the ombudsman, the CRTC...quite the joke.....

Boycott the CBC...don´t listen to it...tell the TV advertisers you won´t buy their products if they advertise with the CBC...challenge your friends who quote and listen to the CBC...they are complicit in war crimes....Libya, Syria, Palestine ad nauseum!!

 

Canada and the Rights of Palestinians: The CBC and the Crucifixion of Nadia Shoufani, On Behalf of Israeli Interests…By Karin BrothersGlobal Research

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The Canadian Broadcasting Company is paid for by Canadian taxpayers and is touted as the main institution promoting national cultural unity.  The CBC’s treatment of a Canadian activist, however, demonstrates its prioritization of Israeli interests.

Speakers of all faiths are featured at the annual Al Quds Day (“Jerusalem”) events, an international commemoration of the Palestinian situation that started in Iran.  Nadia Shoufani, of Palestinian descent, was one of the Christian speakers on July 2nd ; speaking on her own behalf, she passionately described* the horrific treatment that Palestinians are facing, noted their legal right to resist the brutal Israeli military occupation, and called on listeners to support Palestinian resistance in any way they were able to, including by breaking the silence on this issue and by boycotting Israeli products.  She mentioned two famous men whose lives were destroyed by Israel, the revered cultural icon Ghassan Kanafani, and Georges Ibrahim Abdallah, still imprisoned after 30 years in France because of American pressure — a cause célèbre.

Shoufani’s address was legitimate: her description of the Palestinian situation was accurate and backed up by official Canadian foreign policy which recognizes the illegality of the Israeli settlements and occupation.  Palestinians are asking for the application of the international laws which are supposed to guarantee their basic rights.  Shoufani was within her rights calling for the economic pressure that worked in apartheid South Africa.

B’nai Brith Canada, one of the groups invested in defending Israel’s apartheid and ongoing crimes against humanity, has tried to have Al Quds events banned by the Ontario legislature.  Speakers at these events can expect ugly repercussions.  The United Church of Canada was pressured into publicly “repudiating” one of its members (who had given a bland talk) because they had been unwittingly introduced as “from the United Church”; someone even complained personally to their minister about their appearance at that event.

Shoufani’s address was electric, and Israel’s defenders sprang into action.  They discovered that she was a teacher, where she taught, what she taught, what school board she worked for and private Facebook posts to her family and close friends; they saw that she was vulnerable.  They found that at some point, the men she had referenced had been connected to the PFLP, a Palestinian resistance group that Canada put on its “terror list” in 2003.  B’nai Brith Canada and the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center lodged complaints to the police and Shoufani’s school board alleging that she had publicly supported violence and terrorism.  B’nai Brith then came out with a news release announcing that she was being investigated by the police and the Dufferin Peel Catholic District School Board.

 

 

The news release “came to the attention” of a CBC news producer and reporter, and on July 13th, Murial Draaisma wrote an article that repeated B’nai Brith’s accusations against Shoufani.  It claimed that Kanafani and Abdallah were linked to the PFLP, and Draaisma gratuitously added two paragraphs describing PFLP terrorism as if that were relevant to Shoufani.  She included a B’nai Brith comment that teachers who had such opinions should not be allowed in classrooms.

Draaisma had neglected to contact Shoufani to get her side of the story, and she had also neglected to do any fact-checking.  Kanafani, along with his niece, had been murdered (by Israeli agents) in 1972, 30 years before the PFLP was on the “terror list”; Abdallah had not been a PFLP member since 1979, two decades before that designation.  The article that linked Nadia Shoufani to the PFLP was libelous.

Many groups and individuals quickly contacted the CBC Ombudsman Esther Enkin and the news producer to correct the CBC’s linking of Shoufani to the PFLP.  Enkin’s response of August 3rd, however, not only rationalized Draaisma’s lack of balance but repeated the defamation and claimed that Shoufani’s support of the men was a legitimate cause for Canadian concern. A follow-up letter by CBC Toronto Executive Producer Pras Rajagopalan noted that, “… in an effort to provide better context, we have also undertaken to follow the story closely and report further developments. On Aug. 10 we posted a second story.” 

 

6079_Smith_W

Well here's the article, in case anyone wants to read what was actually written:

(those of you who aren't boycotting, anyway)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mississauga-nadia-shoufani-al-qds-...

 

sherpa-finn

The CBC article on the teacher's subsequent suspension is here: 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mississauga-teacher-suspended-1.37...

And the ensuing CBC article (a week later) on supporters rallying to her cause is here:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/mississauga-teacher-suspended...

Keith McClary

Right after the putsch a CBC talking head breathlessly anounced "the latest news from Ukraine" and proceeded to phone up one of the newly installed putsch leaders. "Journalism". CBC has gone silent about Ukraine (esp. about corruption), as they have about Libya since the regime change.

Lately there are daily tear jerkers about Syria but nary a word about the US-UK-Saudi slaughter in Yemen.

Sean in Ottawa

I think the title of this thread is inappropriate since it is more the issue this teacher is facing and that is not just an example of a problem with the CBC but a concern in its own right.

 

Teachers should not advocate violent acts -- there is no indication that she has done so. Simply to fight is a general statement and to recognize others who do as well.I see nothing saying she sanctioned promoted or threatened specific violence to anyone.

A teacher ought to stand up for freedom of speech and speak about injustice when it is there. She was doing this.

A teacher should not bring politics like this to the classroom but there is no suggestion that she did.

The denial of the right of a teacher to freedom of speech in this case is disturbing.

I am sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians but I would not need to be to recognize that freedom of speech for a person outside of the workplace is a very important principle. For a teacher there is an additional symbolic message here. I don'twant the society I am living in to be silencing teachers who have not specificallyadvocated a violent act.

 

iyraste1313

I'm sorry, but this case cited is just one...I can start posting others...the slanderous treatment of Arthur Topham and that prof from U of Lethbridge, just the most recent...their treatment of the very dangerous nuclear brinkmanship, their slanderous treatment in the case of the war in Syria, Libya...ad nauseum....just others...no I am sorry...boycott the CBC...they are Orwellian in nature!

iyraste1313

re CBC treatment....

Joshua Goldberg, arrested for trying to incite false flag “Islamic terror,” may be re-arrested for hate speech…alongside his accomplices at B’nai Brith?

The image was planted on Professor Anthony Hall’s Facebook page in late August. The Canadian B’nai Brith falsely blamed Hall, who had no knowledge of the image, and used the scandal to push for Hall’s dismissal from the University of Lethbridge. Today, caving in to the B’nai Brith’s libelous attack, University President Mike Mahon suspended Anthony Hall without pay. For Professor Hall’s reaction, see the above-embedded youtube video.

The photoshopped image, manufactured by Goldberg, purports to depict political cartoonist Ben Garrison choking an Orthodox Jewish man.  Accompanying the image, in small print, is an unhinged “kill all Jews now” rant. In an article published here on September 16th, I speculated that rabid Zionists, rather than rabid Jew-haters, had manufactured the image. It turns out I was right.

 

The short answer is “yes.”

In email to Arthur Topham, cartoonist Ben Garrison explained:

“Unfortunately that Photoshopped image of me assaulting that Orthodox Jew man continues to circulate and be posted everywhere. Ironically, it was created by a 20 year-old Jewish kid named Joshua Goldberg. He was arrested by the FBI about a year ago for sending bomb making instructions to what he thought was a Muslim terrorist–instead it was an FBI undercover agent. Goldberg is now pleading mental illness, but for years he was allowed to stir up trouble from his parent’s basement in Florida. For some reason he enjoyed targeting me and he’s the one who created that image as well as many other hate screeds.”

Ben Garrison had his life ruined by trolls like Goldberg, who vandalized Garrison’s cartoons to make it appear that Garrison was a rabid Jew-hater. Now Goldberg’s hate speech has damaged another man’s career and reputation: that of Professor Anthony Hall, Globalization Studies, University of Lethbridge.

Mainstream media outlets including CBC and the Lethbridge Herald accepted B’nai Brith’s false narrative that Professor Hall was responsible for Goldberg’s planted image. The scandal exploded into an all-out media assault on Professor Hall; but as the origin of Goldberg’s hate image came under suspicion, the B’nai Brith and the media shifted its attack to focus on Hall’s  “anti-Zionist propaganda.”

6079_Smith_W

And regarding Ben Garrision, I'm glad they caught that guy who was hijacking his work, and sorry he got falsely accused, but there is enough stuff in his right wing cartoons which is racist on its own - most of it anti-Arab.

 

sherpa-finn

iyraste1313: wrote: Now Goldberg’s hate speech has damaged another man’s career and reputation: that of Professor Anthony Hall, Globalization Studies, University of Lethbridge.

I don't know anything about this Goldberg incident, but to be frank, Tony Hall doesn't have much of a reputation to besmirch. He is a world class conspiracy theorist and a close associate of well known holocaust denier Kevin Barrett.  He did some credible work early in his academic career on indigenous rights and capitalism but then transitioned into 'globalisation studies', going off the rails when he transitioned from a researcher of conspiracy theories into an active promoter and proponent thereof. He is now widely considered a 9/11 truther and all round nut-bar. 

That said, I see the University has just suspended him, - even though he is a tenured prof. This should prove interesting.  

http://ahtribune.com/videos/politics/1238-tony-hall-lethbridge.html

(Please note that Hall is editor in chief of the AHTnewsite from which this is taken.)

ETA: Given that this thread is supposedly about the inadequate standards of the CBC, here is the CBC report on Hall's suspension:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/tony-hall-suspended-lethbridge-1.3...

And while we are discussing credible media, just for comparison purposes, here is an article by Hall's long-time collaborator Kevin Barret. (From Barret's website Veterans Today, which has been lauded here on Babble as a credible alternative to the MSM.) 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/01/11-examples/ 

"...Which reminds us that the aforementioned Madrid bombings, the follow-up to 9/11, occurred on 3/11/2004…a date with a big juicy 11 in the middle, a date which falls exactly 911 days after 9/11.  If we add up the digits of 3/11/2004 we get – what else – 11. And if we write the date in the international style as 11/3/2004 we note that the numbers following the initial 11 add up to 9…sort of like the “Bin Laden killing” date in reverse. What’s more, the official death total (peddled by the Zionist media) was 191 – two ones and a nine, which added together make 11..."

bekayne

iyraste1313 wrote:

I'm sorry, but this case cited is just one...I can start posting others...the slanderous treatment of Arthur Topham

What? Did they say he wasn't an anti-semite?

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=5702

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=2595

http://www.radicalpress.com/?page_id=601

http://www.radicalpress.com/?page_id=3989

http://www.radicalpress.com/?page_id=1097

6079_Smith_W

There is actually an article in there where he addresses the CBC article (the "Zionist-controlled Broadcasting Corporation, as he calls it), and explains why he used a bizarre old book verbatim with a few substitutions.

(just a joke, right? And it is our fault if we didn't get it)

This is amazing, actually. I had never of "Germany Must Perish". Like the Protocols, it is an example even a seemingly ridiculous book written by one person can have terrible consequences. In this case, it gave Hitler an excuse to say that Jews were plotting against him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

(might have to cut and paste. That punctuation breaks the link)

Sean in Ottawa

iyraste1313 wrote:

I'm sorry, but this case cited is just one...I can start posting others...the slanderous treatment of Arthur Topham and that prof from U of Lethbridge, just the most recent...their treatment of the very dangerous nuclear brinkmanship, their slanderous treatment in the case of the war in Syria, Libya...ad nauseum....just others...no I am sorry...boycott the CBC...they are Orwellian in nature!

I absolutely do not support boycotting news sources including those I disagree with.

I will take account of biases but that's it. Write letter if you like but people who read will read and they should.

If I boycotted every outlet I had a serious problem with I would not have much to read.

My strategy is to diversify my information sources not to stop reading those I think are biased.

iyraste1313

I agree with you re diversifying sources... perhaps a general boycott is not right...how about taking the CBC to court for complicity in crimes against humanity? Just on specific stories? It's purposeful total deceptions must be somehow exposed...people in these threads actually take what CBC says for reality?

Mr. Magoo

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.how about taking the CBC to court for complicity in crimes against humanity? Just on specific stories?

Which specific stories?

6079_Smith_W

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how about taking the CBC to court for complicity in crimes against humanity?

Take them to court for Kevin O'Leary or Don Cherry, you mean?

Mr. Magoo

I seem to recall Cherry making some hate-crime speeches about "those French guys" once.  Isn't that a crime against Hugh Manatee?

I'm betting that the real "crimes of complicity" will be more about the CBC NOT saying something that iyraste1313 believes they should have, or else speaking postively or neutrally about something he thinks they should have spoken truth to power about.

Anyway, we'll have a better idea when iyraste1313 gives us an example or two of the "specific stories" he's thinking of.

bekayne

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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.how about taking the CBC to court for complicity in crimes against humanity? Just on specific stories?

Which specific stories?

Slandering Arthur Topham

Mr. Magoo

Looks like Topham thinks that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is just the tip of the iceberg.

But if iyraste1313 feels that Topham has received the short end of the stick, perhaps we should hear him out.

iyraste1313, can you tell us more about how Topham's anti-Jew conspiracy theories have been suppressed?  Is this one of those crimes against Hugh Manatee?

iyraste1313

Arthur Topham's wife is Jewish and an extremely intelligent assertive woman.....does anyone think she would put up for one second any antisemitism on his part......no way...Arthuir Topham is an investigative journalist who posts on his website without fear of being politically correct.....not that I may agree with him on many points...but he is an antizionist and anti new world order guy.......

to have him harassed and criminalized is total bs!

And it is his work that ended the section 13 Human Rights Act document which puts into prison anyone challenging the right of the zionists to promote their agenda for a greater Israel....

.........visiting a neighbour hooked to the MSM and the CBC...the garbage coming from that CBC TV is a disgrace, and runs with the best of any good Orwellian propaganda brainwash of the Canadian public and no doubt an explanation for the preponderance of gatekeepers in these threads!

So I keep reading about the bombshells wikileaks, e.g. a latest on the MSM/CBC collusion to hide the condition of Clinton's health...so what does CBC report? Nothing! No bombshells, nothing?

So we inch and leap towards final nuclear conflagration...with CBC talking heads doing everything according to script to cheer it on..........no let's not boycott the CBC and put them before international crimes against humanity courts...let's be rationale, reasonable, respecting their rights to lie and deceive...meanwhile poor Arthur Topham and his wife continue to suffer under the stress and criminalized? BS!!

Mr. Magoo

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e.g. a latest on the MSM/CBC collusion to hide the condition of Clinton's health...so what does CBC report? Nothing! No bombshells, nothing?

mmphosis

I think it is more like CBC/MSM boycotting reporting news.  There are so many "specific" examples of non-news items I could fill this thread up, but I won't.  Here is one example...

 

ANALYSIS | Measuring change a year after Trudeau promised something different

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-change-1.3805758

Many of the better journalists left CBC long ago.  On rare occasion, there is something actually reported on.  Most of the news is simply reposts from other MSM new sources.  If it is signicifant, the news item is reported one day and then dropped -- whereas other pablum-like pieces are repeated over and over again for weeks.   I said before, I think "ANALYSIS" is cbc-speak for opinion piece usually by pro-busyness or pro-Liberal party writers.  I can't watch MSM news with boycotting it with my own running critique of the complete ridiculousness of what I am watching.  RIP jourrnalism.

I would like to say there are some excellent, albeit often struggling, writers here and elsewhere from non-MSM sources.

iyraste1313

"Most of the news is simply reposts from other MSM new sources....."

........but not just the news...I was nauseated to have to listen to the CBC commentaries, smug faces with their authoritative opinions talking absolute bs!....

"I would like to say there are some excellent, albeit often struggling, writers here and elsewhere from non-MSM sources."

...Here I must strongly object to so many that pan such websites as global research, veteranstoday etc.....

generally they pick up a grab bag of independent writers prepared to publish them for their non mainstream, politically incorrect views...why trash such websites who at least are offering such a service?

 

 

mmphosis

iyraste1313 wrote:

why trash such websites who at least are offering such a service?

Forgive me, I am the one "struggling" to write.  I am not trashing anyone, just the MSM/CBC "talking absolute bs!"

I was trying to write that I think there are excellent writers to be found here on Rabble, and elsewhere like global research, veteranstoday, and other sites.

Robyn Smith says it better than I can:

A Modest Proposal for a New Media Landscape (thetyee.ca)

6079_Smith_W

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"I don’t know know any imaginable way you can get information…First of all…Because, about 30%, based on what I believe…and you know what? Who says I’m right? According to my belief, and I have as good of, uh access to information as anyone in the world, probably, anyone I know of. About 30% of what’s written on Veterans Today, is patently false. About 40% of what I write, is at least purposely, partially false, because if I didn’t write false information I wouldn’t be alive. I simply have to do that. I write…anything I write I write between the lines."

Audio file here:

https://archive.org/details/GordonDuff.FalseInformationControversy

Good article in the Tyee, BTW. I think if you want to see the results of the decline in media you have only to look at the terrible coverage and lack of analysis in the election campaign south of the border. Don't pay people to do good investigative work, what do you expect?

And what comes in to fill that vacuum? Nonsense.

 

 

Mr. Magoo

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Arthur Topham's wife is Jewish and an extremely intelligent assertive woman.....does anyone think she would put up for one second any antisemitism on his part......no way

Oh, of course.  What woman could do that???

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Melania Trump on Monday dismissed her husband's sexually aggressive language as "boy talk," insisting his remarks do not reflect "the man I know."

Those wacky, zany, madcap husbands, eh?

voice of the damned

Is Topham an anti-semite? I dunno, but he is a holocaust denier.

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=6120

See the opening paragraph, in which he praises the book by well-known denialist Arthur Butz.

6079_Smith_W

I do get the distinction, but it is the same kind of hair-splitting as arguing that calling George Washington's slaves "workers" isn't racism.

And that's not even getting into the whole "the Jews made it up so they could take over the world" side of Holocaust denial.

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

iyraste1313 wrote:

Arthur Topham's wife is Jewish and an extremely intelligent assertive woman.....

Wow. Are some of his best friends black, too?

[/sarcasm]

It doesn't really matter what his personal relationships are. He published what he published. It was anti-semitic. He is, therefore, an anti-semite.

Mr. Magoo

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Arthur Topham's wife is Jewish and an extremely intelligent assertive woman.....

I'm a bit amused, wondering how this would look if the sexes were reversed.  My guess:

my guess wrote:
Andrea Topham's husband is Jewish.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

As much as the CBC coverage of virtually all foreign policy matters is hopelessly pro-empire, other services the Mother Corp provides are not nearly so repulsive. CBC Music has a great selection of 50-ish channels, they do some good documentaries [on trivial consumer stuff, but still useful] , some dramas are actually made in Canada with Canadian actors [which is a good thing], and so on.

OTOH, the CBC is also Don Cherry and, as I've mentioned, less than worthless coverage of international issues.

I simply don't watch Cherry nor do I listen to their international coverage.

Canada is an imperialist country. We see that even the currrent "Liberal" regime no longer even bothers to put a fig leaf of respectability over their approval of weapons of mass destruction, military supplies, etc. to the barbarous Saudi regime, etc.

So the CBC simply reflects that fact. That's why alternative media, like rabble.ca, is needed.

iyraste1313

So the CBC simply reflects that fact....

Nuremburg is quite clear on this....CBC is not just a reflection...it is complicit.

Sure there are great programs on CBC, interrupted every half hour or so, with their deadly poison.

They are in full support of the anti Russia campaign, the pro Clinton campaign with all her support for first strike nukes...ad nauseum....

Not only must its management be sacked......it must be decentralized, brought under the control of the communities, the activist NGO's, civil society. They are totally out of control, our control and under the control of the military industrial complex, hurtling us into finacial catastrophe, economic depression and nuclear blackmail....

useful strategy here must be considered!

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

A national public broadcaster cannot function under piecemeal control of individual communities. That's utterly daft.

iyraste1313

That changed today, however, when in the latest Podesta dump we learn that in an email from Cheryl Mills to John Podesta, the Clinton aide upon learning what Obama had just said...

we need to clean this up - he has emails from her - they do not say state.gov

That, ladies and gentlemen, is proof that the president not only lied, but did so with the clear intention of protecting the Clinton campaign.

...this is from zerohedge.....but of course something which the CBC recently reported is not the smoking gun!
Hell no it s not!

......That's utterly daft.....

never heard of community radio?? which can pick up whatever news it wishes depending on the support of the community, accessible to the community? Whew!

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Community radio isn't the same thing as a national public broadcaster. It fulfills a different function. There are too many reasons to type out on a mobile device, and frankly, I doubt it would make a dent in your titanium-plated dumbassery.

6079_Smith_W

iyraste1313 wrote:

never heard of community radio?? which can pick up whatever news it wishes depending on the support of the community, accessible to the community? Whew!

Hey, I think I have seen that show before!

blairz blairz's picture

There definatly is such a thing as Community Radio. Here in the US it describes locally owned and operated public stations that feature more than 50% locally produced programing. Most community stations in the US are also NPR affiliates which means they pay an audience based fee for the National News block (Morning Edition, and ATC) The emphasis on locally produced programming allows for stations to provide public and cultural affairs programming relevant to their audiences and to foster greater creative and civic expression within the community. I don't  know  the Canadian model very well but there surely must be some form of this model there, and if there isn't, somebody ought to create it. Not every regional distinction is adversarial, Community programming can connect people to local resources that the national network cannot.

blairz blairz's picture
Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Yes, we have community radio here, as well as university-run nonprofit stations. My point is not that community radio isn't valuable, it's that community radio does not function like a national public broadcaster. Apples to aardvarks comparison.

6079_Smith_W

And a critical part of what you arepointing out is that NPR has a national network. Similarly, CBC has local programming. Another thing that community radio, valuable as it is, does not have is the resources to do access to information challenges, and long, expensive investigative reporting.

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

It also doesn't have trained, professional journalists. CR stations are largely run by volunteers (we had a babbler for some years who ran a CR show in his spare time) with a few staff members.

I should also point out that NPR *is* a national public broadcaster - in essence, the American version of CBC radio, only more poorly funded (it also receives government funding, btw - it received massive cuts in the 1980s, but prior to that was majority funded by the federal government). The system for public broadcast in the US is often used by other countries as how *not* to do public broadcasting.

iyraste1313

Award-Winning Journalist Vanessa Beeley Faces “Deplatforming” at Six Canadian Venues

Vanessa Beeley's final Canadian stop in Winnipeg - December 12 at 7pm

By Michael Welch

Global Research, December 12, 2019

one more victory for the bs Orwellian CBC!

Boycott the CBC!

voice of the damned

iyraste1313 wrote:

Award-Winning Journalist Vanessa Beeley Faces “Deplatforming” at Six Canadian Venues

Vanessa Beeley's final Canadian stop in Winnipeg - December 12 at 7pm

By Michael Welch

Global Research, December 12, 2019

one more victory for the bs Orwellian CBC!

Boycott the CBC!

I didn't see anything aboout the CBC in that article. Is it just that they promote a view opposite to Ms. Beeley's, so therefore we can assume that anyone trying to deplatform her is under CBC influence?

 

 

voice of the damned

As for the content of the article...

Organizers explained to the Ministers that the talks were not about hate speech but rather about highlighting the findings of an independent journalist and war correspondent ‘whose research methods are very thorough’ about the true nature of the Syrian conflict and the role of the White Helmets.

I have no idea whether Beeley was planning to engage in anything that could be considered hate-speech. However, I don't consider it very convincing, in and of itself, that the organizers of her talk assure everyone that it wasn't hate speech, but research. There aren't not too many hate-mongers who are going to come out and say "Yes, yes, as a matter of fact, I am promoting hatred with my speeches!" All of them, from holocaust-deniers to the "race = IQ" boys, claim to simply be presenting the results of "thorough research".

Stone added, “one of the people who spoke to both Ministers about the ‘traumatization’ turned out to be traced back to an address in the state of Washington USA. She was claiming that she was going to be traumatized by Vanessa speaking 4000 miles away!”

Yes, but if it were announced that a church in Hamilton were going to be hosting a talk that allegedly fit the standard progressive idea of hate-speech, and one of the people who complained about it as traumatic were living in Seattle, I doubt Canadian progressives would be much swayed by the argument about Seattle being 4000 miles away from Hamilton.

Not that I think Beeley's talk will be anything particularly hateful, just that, when accusations of hate-mongering are made, I don't think geographical proximity is really relevant to considering how traumatized someone might be.

 

 

 

 

Unionist

voice of the damned wrote:

I have no idea whether Beeley was planning to engage in anything that could be considered hate-speech. However, I don't consider it very convincing, in and of itself, that the organizers of her talk assure everyone that it wasn't hate speech, but research.

[...]

Not that I think Beeley's talk will be anything like Bring Back Lynching, just that, when accusations of hate-mongering are made, I don't think geographical proximity is really relevant to considering how traumatized someone might be.

Are you actually interested in what Beeley has to say, and why the lovers of U.S. aggression hate her and accuse her of hate speech? Here's her Winnipeg meeting from Thursday. Let me know what you think, and we can discuss it without innuendoes like "not that I think Beeley's talk will be anything like Bring Back Lynching":

voice of the damned

I'm discussing some of the arguments made in the article. If you don't think those arguments are relevant for discussion on babble, your main issue isn't with me.

As for "innuendo", it wasn't innuendo at all, I'm pretty sure her talk won't be like that, or anything near. It was just a clear example of how, when claims of hate-speech are made, we don't normally consider it relevant to point out that the person claiming the injury lives far away from where the speech takes place.

But, not that I think I really need to, but I can certainly edit out the example, and just leave the general principle.

EDIT: And for the record, I am not all that interested in dicussing Syria, which is why I am not posting much on the Syria threads. Granted, my post didn't have much to do with the ostensible topic of this thread(ie. the CBC), but then, neither did the one I was replying to. So I figured this thread was pretty much now a grab-bag of topics.

(By the way, this might be my last post on this thread for a while, since the system doesn't seem to want to let me post new ones here; I only seem to be able to edit this one.

EDIT: I think I'll also be able to make posts that are quotes of other ones, by pressing the Quote button. The only thing I seem unable to do is make completely new posts: I can't get my cursor into the writing space, and the dashboard on top has a hazy visual quality to it.)

 

NDPP

The problem is some Canucklheads still cling to a fabricated msm narrative - White Helmets as 'humanitarian aid workers', the Syrian war as purely the work of  its 'evil dictator' -  and still support Syrian regime change by any means necessary, including the  sanctions and siege warfare which Canada maintains.  CBC continues to promulgate and promote these discredited assumptions. Beeley effectively demolishes the myths behind these beliefs.

In truth, if the full extent of Canada's support for the truly horrifying full-court western geostrategic attack upon Syria,  is ever fully known, several Canadian political leaders and officials would more than qualify for a trip to a war-crimes tribunal in the Hague. Kudos to Ken Stone and the Hamilton Anti-War Coalition for bringing an important, contrasting dissident voice to an otherwise foul and reactionary imperialist backwater.

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley

 

Vanessa Beeley Radio Interview

https://hamiltoncoalitiontostopthewar.ca/2019/11/27/vanessa-beeley-radio...

 

(2011) US/NATO General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries in Five Years

https://youtu.be/FNt7s_Wed_4

"This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and finishing up with Iran."

The project continues and is ongoing as is CBC's promotion.

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

The problem is some Canucklheads still cling to a fabricated msm narrative - White Helmets as 'humanitarian aid workers', the Syrian war as purely the work of  its 'evil dictator' -  and still support Syrian regime change by any means necessary, including the  sanctions and siege warfare which Canada maintains.  CBC continues to promulgate and promote these discredited assumptions. Beeley effectively demolishes the myths behind these beliefs.

In truth, if the full extent of Canada's support for the truly horrifying full-court western geostrategic attack upon Syria,  is ever fully known, several Canadian political leaders and officials would more than qualify for a trip to a war-crimes tribunal in the Hague. Kudos to Ken Stone and the Hamilton Anti-War Coalition for bringing an important, contrasting dissident voice to an otherwise foul and reactionary imperialist backwater.

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley

 

Vanessa Beeley Radio Interview

https://hamiltoncoalitiontostopthewar.ca/2019/11/27/vanessa-beeley-radio...

 

(2011) US/NATO General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries in Five Years

https://youtu.be/FNt7s_Wed_4

"This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out 7 countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and finishing up with Iran."

The project continues and is ongoing as is CBC's promotion.

Yeah but who are they convincing? They are mainly preaching to the choir. Anyone with an opinion or interested in forming an opinion on Syria already has. 

There is no need to boycott the CBC. Few people are paying attention to them, certainly not to their coverage on Syria. 

As a pragmatist I look for results.  I don't know what is going on in Syria. It isn't that I don't care, it's that it is not relevant to my life. There is nothing I can do about it. Nobody I know knows anything about it. If I were interested from an intellectual level there would be that but I am not. At least not enough to devote a lot of time to studying or even just remembering what was in the news last week besides Trump and Brexit. 

There is no need to boycott the news, CBC or CTV or Global because they are all on their death bed. I'm not saying people don't watch the news but they don't pay attention to much of it. 

Unionist

I apologize for posting off-topic in this thread. "Boycott the CBC" has got to be as dumb as they come. I'll repost Beeley's Winnipeg meeting in a Syria thread for those who are interested.

NDPP

It's excellent and one I hadn't seen. Thanks for posting it. I'll also repost it to the White Helmets thread.

iyraste1313

"Boycott the CBC" has got to be as dumb as they come"....

It is strategic!

I cannot forget the last time I went into a CBC studio, in Kamloops...and found a few people at their desks and just started shitting bricks at them for their lies, their complicity in war crimes!
Sure they have some good shows, sandwiched in with their bs news and documentaries?

They were so astonished! Thery actually believe their bs!

bekayne

iyraste1313 wrote:

"Boycott the CBC" has got to be as dumb as they come"....

It is strategic!

I cannot forget the last time I went into a CBC studio, in Kamloops...and found a few people at their desks and just started shitting bricks at them for their lies, their complicity in war crimes!
Sure they have some good shows, sandwiched in with their bs news and documentaries?

They were so astonished! Thery actually believe their bs!

I think most people would be astonished if someone entered their workplace and started screaming at them.

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