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Trenton Base Commander Williams, Thread 2

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NorthReport

I would like to ask the males to think before you comment here. After all the victims are all female in case you haven'y noticed.

Interesting reaction from the folks in Trenton. Maybe, just maybe, people everywhere should become ashamed of all military uniforms.

Williams cut family ties, brother say

Meanwhile, in the town of Trenton, there was talk Thursday of soldiers being harassed and spat upon by angry townsfolk. At the aptly titled Rumours bar, a military hangout, owner and former military pilot Pierre Bouchard said he’s heard of soldiers being yelled at or spit on in public since news of Williams’ arrest. “This town survives because of the base,” said Bouchard. “I (would) hate to see people become ashamed of their uniform.”

 

Inquiries about unsolved homicides have been made in other cities where Williams was also stationed with the Canadian Forces, including Ontario and Manitoba.

 

Ottawa police are also probing unsolved cases, including the violent 2007 sexual assault of a Carleton University student.

 

Williams’ next court appearance is set for Feb. 18 in Belleville.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/Williams+family+ties+brother+says/2551107/story.html

NorthReport

Telltale signs perhaps.

Accused colonel one of Canada's top VIP pilots

 

Williams remembered as 'very nice, friendly,' but a stickler about protocol, rules

Col. Russell Williams is remembered as an extremely meticulous pilot -- "Mr. By the Book" -- during his years as one of Canada's top VIP pilots.

Williams' arrest for two alleged murders, forcible confinement and sexual assault, has come as a shock to those who got to know him as the pilot for Canada's state elite.

Among his official passengers on the Challenger and, later, the bigger Airbus planes, were the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh; former Liberal prime ministers Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin; and Roméo LeBlanc, the late governor general.

It is believed Williams flew to England to transport the Queen and her husband to Western Canada in 2005 for an official royal visit to mark the 100th anniversary of Alberta and Saskatchewan joining Confederation.

One former official who was frequently on flights where Williams was pilot says he was very rigid about protocols with his staff, ensuring they enforced passenger rules.

"He was very nice, very friendly, but he was definitely Mr. By the Book," said the official, who spoke about Williams on condition of anonymity.

On overseas trips for example, he would not allow the use of three seats for sleeping and ensured everyone had their shoes on for landing.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/Accused+colonel+Canada+pilots/2549238/story.html

SparkyOne

NorthReport wrote:

I would like to ask the males to think before you comment here. After all the victims are all female in case you haven'y noticed.

Hummmmm?

 

NorthReport wrote:

Interesting reaction from the folks in Trenton. Maybe, just maybe, people everywhere should become ashamed of all military uniforms.

Well that is pretty stupid.

I'm African American should I be ashamed of being African American anytime someone from my ethnicity commits a horrible crime?

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Meanwhile, in the town of Trenton, there was talk Thursday of soldiers being harassed and spat upon by angry townsfolk. At the aptly titled Rumours bar, a military hangout, owner and former military pilot Pierre Bouchard said he’s heard of soldiers being yelled at or spit on in public since news of Williams’ arrest.

I call bullshit. Trenton is so in your face support the troop red friday highway of heros brainwashed that it will take more than this to sway them. It sounds like the military is trying to play the victim too.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Moving to the feminism forum.

Michelle

Yeah, I also find that hard to believe.  When they hear it first hand from someone who saw it or experienced it, let us know.  Of course, the real victims are the military, right?  Jebus. 

Reminds me of an excellent excerpt from this blog posting:

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So, while I understood it was good for morale, I took exception to General Walter Natynczyk’s pep talk at the base that somehow made this case – even for a few seconds – about all our men and women in uniform. (Be proud! Stand tall!)

A retired senior officer claimed on the CBC that soldiers everywhere felt “victimized” by this story.

Excuse me. The only soldier victim here so far has been Cpl. Comeau, whose laughing eyes stare out of photographs and whose father, a retired military man, has questioned how Col. Williams’s behaviour could have gone undetected for so long.

Thanks for moving this to the feminism forum, Maysie.

 

kropotkin1951

His behaviour was ignored the same as the Catholic church systematically ignored its pedophiles.  The people who knew him probably only thought he was assaulting women not murdering them so they didn't say anything against their superior and/or peer.  It is all about the culture in the military like it is about the culture in the church.  Good people in both organizations but the culture of the organization itself allows those in power to get away with sexually deviant crimes. 

Michelle

I'm not sure that's necessarily true, kropotkin.  Those close to him are saying they hadn't noticed anything that would make them think he would do something like this.  Being a stickler about policy and procedure doesn't necessarily mean you're a serial rapist and killer.

kropotkin1951

No it doesn't but being commander would mean others would not look closely.  How many times has a priest been busted and everyone is shocked? That is why I consider it willful blindness.  He's a hero right so why would others look closely at his misogyny.  I don't believe for a minute he hid his true thoughts about women I believe that misogyny is the norm in the forces so it went unnoticed.

remind remind's picture

Thank you maysie....

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

His behaviour was ignored the same as the Catholic church systematically ignored its pedophiles.  The people who knew him probably only thought he was assaulting women not murdering them so they didn't say anything against their superior and/or peer.  It is all about the culture in the military like it is about the culture in the church.  Good people in both organizations but the culture of the organization itself allows those in power to get away with sexually deviant crimes. 

I doubt that's the case.  Most of the people at the base have family - including wivees and daughters - living in the community.  My cousin just transfered from Trenton a few months ago with his family.  I can't imagine him turning a blind eye if he knew who was assaulting women in the community. 

Slumberjack

kropotkin1951 wrote:
His behaviour was ignored the same as the Catholic church systematically ignored its pedophiles. 

They never ignored the pedophile priests among them, they just sheltered them from responsibility for their actions by moving them to other locations where they could prey on others.

Lew Mackenzie, the perennial apologist, had a piece in today's Grope and Flail which made reference to the selection process for senior appointments. Left out from his analysis of course is the fact that the review is conducted by other sycophants that have managed to achieve some measure of influence within their respective military fields, and that all of them are lay people when it comes to the issue of psychological screening. For the most part the indicators that carry the most weight on internal merit boards are past job performance, performance under stress, loyalty, the ability to quickly adapt to the changing demands of the organization, and level of dedication as duly reported on annual assessments from immediate supervisors. No where does the process delve into questions surrounding inclinations towards psychopathic behaviour. Any notions of patriarchal opinions and views would have gone largely unnoticed as the norm in those circles.  What some would see as troubling red flags in another organization, would appear as just another day at the office down at Fort Fumble on Colonel By Drive in Ottawa.

skdadl

Well, IANAPsychiatrist, and I'm not sure how scientifically precise the term psychopath is, although I believe there is a phenomenon that we might as well call that, and it's my understanding that part of the problem with psychopaths is precisely their unpredictability. They don't give off signs, and they are often high-functioning, often charming. Presumably we won't really know until his trial, if then, but Williams could be one of those people no one would ever have thunk ... y'know?

 

Now, sociopaths -- they give off signals. Sociopathology as I know it is high-functioning jerkitude. There are lots of those around. They tend to be very successful.

oldgoat

Psychopathy and sociopathy are largely interchangeable terms.  There are psychological tests and inventories to weed them out which can be pretty good.  Also, it's best to understand psychopathy as a continuum.  Some will be worse than others

How obvious this is in a person can depend on any number of factors, including how smart they are, how pressured, how needs driven at any given time.  Also, psychopaths can probably be found in any field.  Being a base commander has power, control, and the pay aint bad.  Look at my field though, I am really in a position of trust vis a vis a very vulnerable population.  There's not much money for me to scam were I so inclined, but if I had some sick control dominant thing going on, I could probably get some gratifying opportunities to be subtly abusive.  Psychopaths can be found in all walks of life.

aka Mycroft
Unionist

All is well - the [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/book-deal-signed-for-story-... rights[/url] have now been sold.

 

Tommy_Paine

 

In the previous incarnation of this thread, there was a lot of talk seeming to draw linkage between Williams and his military training, or military culture and his alleged crimes.     I thought this a bit wrong, but it was also mixed with millitary attitudes in general towards women, which is something I don't doubt at all is an issue. 

But it struck me at the time that the skills a pilot needs, like compartmentalizing are also abilities a serial rapist and serial killer has to have.   I think those pointing to Williams military training or background as a cause were confusing cause and correlation.

However, if we are to indulge in confusing cause and correlation, I note that Williams and Bernardo were both attending an economics course.  And given the pervading philosophy in economics today-- de Sadeonomics as I have called it sometimes in the past,-- where we have clinical rationalizations to support the strong exploiting the weak, might we not be looking for correlation here?

 

To me, it seems much stronger a link than what the military angle is.   If, as I said, we want to entertain this line of thought in the first place.

 

 

George Victor

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"But Bernardo's father, Ken Bernardo, told the Sun his son doesn't recall Williams by that name, or by his stepfather's last name, Sovko."

 

The Globe reported that he changed his name yet again before settliing on "Williams". AND he was an accomplished jazz trumpeter Now THERE we may be on to something... (The military will be expanding their psychological tests byond dependence on the Rorschach even as we discuss this.) Bet they didn't know he changed his name at all.

And check out John Bowlby and the need for infant attachment...motherly love.     Bet the farm he never had that.

Slumberjack

Tommy_Paine wrote:
  In the previous incarnation of this thread, there was a lot of talk seeming to draw linkage between Williams and his military training, or military culture and his alleged crimes....However, if we are to indulge in confusing cause and correlation, I note that Williams and Bernardo were both attending an economics course.  And given the pervading philosophy in economics today.... To me, it seems much stronger a link than what the military angle is. 

Reinhard Heydrich was by accounts, an expert violinist. Tenuous would best describe correlations involving hundreds of thousands of accomplished musicians with homicidal predators. Economics on the other hand, admittedly it has become more difficult to avoid certain connections at the best of times these days, what with top of the food chain examples provided by the IMF and the like. I can certainly come to terms with the frightfully valid perspective of someone affected by male violence, those whose tragic personal experiences may very well validate the belief that a readily selectable continuum of patriarchal control lies dormant within most of us, from domineering partner, to domestic abuser to planned malevolence at this level. Having witnessed and experienced much in 27 years of military exposure, the worst of it at times, this is quite distinctive altogether.

George Victor

Yes, Einstein was also a skilled violinist, and the jazz trumpet skills of the teenager named Sovko were NOT intended to be anything more than a demonstraton of the extent to which the Holmesian net had been widened  here.(I'll have to remember to be very explicit, not leave the bizaar open to misinterpretation).

The John Bowlby reference, however, would perhaps be helpful in understanding his early home life and later psychosis, He apparently fessed up immediately when confronted by a psychologist.

Tommy_Paine

 

Which reminds me of the early hypothesis on causes for autism, which was a "cold" mother.  And if you follow that, here we have perhaps a grand example of the subtle abuse of women.   It's always thier fault.

 

People point to these one in a few million examples like serial killers and run with it to prove this point or that, and I think it's not helpfull to any cause.

On the point of the Canadian military and abuse of women in and around it is something that deserves full attention much removed from Williams.   It's something that I think the impact of which is going to get worse in the coming years before it gets better.

 

 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

George Victor wrote:

The John Bowlby reference, however, would perhaps be helpful in understanding his early home life and later psychosis, He apparently fessed up immediately when confronted by a psychologist.

 

Would it really help you understand?  Psychosis is such a glib term.  I appreciate the discussion.  And what exactly did this "psychologist" have him 'fess up to? 

 

Apologies for digressing male killing of women.

 

Frmrsldr

George Victor wrote:

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"But Bernardo's father, Ken Bernardo, told the Sun his son doesn't recall Williams by that name, or by his stepfather's last name, Sovko."

The Globe reported that he changed his name yet again before settliing on "Williams" ... Bet they didn't know he changed his name at all.

During the induction process, the military does ask for a birth certificate, christening certificate, what have you. Of course, this could always be forged - for the right price.

Tommy_Paine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory

A primer.

 

I'm suspicious of these kinds of things.  There's much emphasis on the mother raising a child, as if to say that it's her fault if the kid grows up to be a psycopath or sociopath or whatever.    But, I think now we know that nature has a greater role to play in people's psychological make up than what was in style in the 50's and 60's, when it was all nurture.  

Following the lives of known serial killers, it seems that there has to be a born predisposition, coupled with some odd circumstances in childhood and adolescence.  It takes DNA and a village to raise a serial killer, it seems, not a bad mom.

I think part of that village effort is the blanket approval of the strong exploiting the weak, and, in context of this forum, that focus is male violence against women.    I do not believe trying to undertand Williams or other rare examples really helps this along.  Conclusions made and action taken on rare exceptions will not do a whole lot to prevent serial killers, and it gives a place to hide for the "ordinary"  violence against women-- right out in the open.

 

 

 

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Michelle wrote:

I'm not sure that's necessarily true, kropotkin.  Those close to him are saying they hadn't noticed anything that would make them think he would do something like this.  Being a stickler about policy and procedure doesn't necessarily mean you're a serial rapist and killer.

I agree with Kropotkin. After moving to Tweed, when two women were assualted, police focused their attention on the guy who had been living there for 40 years as opposed to the new guy, always with a camera, who was new to area and just happened to be a high ranking man in the military. In fact, suspicion would never have fallen on him had he not stumbled into a spot check where the police treated everyone the same.

As for the background/character checks of the military, yeah, sure. No one makes it through the ranks without connections within the old boys, back slapping club. Or, how did they miss his relationship with Bernardo during the process of interviewing friends and familiy?

 

George Victor

Google up John Bowlby guys. It's about love and dependency.  And I'm outa here before this becomes all Freudian and judgemental.

Frmrsldr

RevolutionPlease wrote:

And what exactly did this "psychologist" have him 'fess up to? 

I don't think that is publicly known.

What is publicly known is that Williams gave a "full confession" to the RCMP and led police to Jessica Lloyd's body.

Frmrsldr

Frustrated Mess wrote:

Or, how did they miss his relationship with Bernardo during the process of interviewing friends and familiy?

The RCMP interview friends and family. The military doesn't.

George Victor

Before Bowlby's development of attachment theory, psychologists said it was just fine to drop the kid off at the hospital and leave him/her alone for treatment.  Maybe the new father, Sovko, didn't interfere with old attachments. 

And so it goes.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

That link with Bernardo is still tenuous.  My family is very close to Tweed too.  I'd appreciate more female comments.  I get your point about the military but be careful.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

Frustrated Mess wrote:

Or, how did they miss his relationship with Bernardo during the process of interviewing friends and familiy?

The RCMP interview friends and family. The military doesn't.

Oh, well, so we have incompetence rather than negliegence. Okay. Maybe someone should tell the RCMP the people they're investigating our feminists, environmentalists, or muslim and their hearts will actually be in it.

RevolutionPlease wrote:

That link with Bernardo is still tenuous.  My family is very close to Tweed too.  I'd appreciate more female comments.  I get your point about the military but be careful.

Not according to the reports I read. And be careful about what?

 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

I kind of meant mixed up my response with "be careful" about the Bernardo links.  I was sitting on that last night from SunMedia but I'm perplexed by why other media haven't run it yet.  Tabloidish feel, ya know.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

i don't "write" good.  Wish I had the gift of most babblers.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

The Sun does two things well: crime and sports. They always get scoops on police stories because their reporters never do a negative police story and the editorials would even defend a cop who opened fire on Sunday school children.

Slumberjack

Frustrated Mess wrote:
The Sun does two things well: crime and sports. They always get scoops on police stories because their reporters never do a negative police story and the editorials would even defend a cop who opened fire on Sunday school children.

Peter Worthington's wheelhouse no doubt.

Slumberjack

RevolutionPlease wrote:
i don't "write" good.  Wish I had the gift of most babblers.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone dear to me.  Besides, it isn't all to do with presentation.  It's about what you believe.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

You're a sight for sore eyes Slumberjack.

Slumberjack

Frustrated Mess wrote:
I agree with Kropotkin. After moving to Tweed, when two women were assualted, police focused their attention on the guy who had been living there for 40 years as opposed to the new guy, always with a camera.....and just happened to be a high ranking man in the military. In fact, suspicion would never have fallen on him had he not stumbled into a spot check...

As far as I can tell, the only linkages between disparate murderers who share few if any commonalities in terms of status and victims of choice such as the DC snipers, Charles Ng, Jeffrey Dahlmer, Olsen and Williams, are the respective body counts, the illusionary power of indiscriminate killing, and the total absence of the most basic regard for the lives of others. It takes little in the way of statistical revelation to subscribe to the reality that society with its constant barrage of gender based stereotypes, along with reinforcement from various professions, cultivates through internalization what already exists as a horrible defect.

Michelle

You know what I always wonder about cases like this?  How is it that guys like this are often married, and they treat their wives and kids just fine, never let on what they're really like, but then go out and rape and murder other women?  If they're the type who have no regard for the lives of others or for anything but their own twisted urges, how is it that they somehow manage to never have that urge with the most available potential victims - the women and children in their immediate family?  Clifford Olsen had a wife and son, for example.

Bacchus

Michelle,

That was something noted often when looking at the behavior of Nazi War criminals (like Rudolf Hoess for example)

George Victor

For a guy this meticulous in his piloting and commanding, the adoption of marriage as another "front identity" does not stretch the imagination.  Let's see how far back his trail goes, when marriage took place.  Christie Blatchford's take on this in the Globe is going to be illuminating.  Heck, she has more soldiers/cops onside than even your average Sun police-beat  reporter...and must be finding it very hard to deal with because of her straight-up assumptions taken from role models. Or maybe not. Perhaps the hardened, cynical journalist self will come through and save her some grief. Her "looking glass self"(symbolic) portrait is probably as clear to her as the colonel's (was) to him. (George Herbert Meade and the looking glass self in symbolic interactionism).

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Michelle wrote:

You know what I always wonder about cases like this?  How is it that guys like this are often married, and they treat their wives and kids just fine, never let on what they're really like, but then go out and rape and murder other women?  If they're the type who have no regard for the lives of others or for anything but their own twisted urges, how is it that they somehow manage to never have that urge with the most available potential victims - the women and children in their immediate family?  Clifford Olsen had a wife and son, for example.

I think that is addressed by Tommy when he discussed compartmentalizing. These guys aren't the same as abusers or men with anger management problems. They are methodical, disciplined, clinical, very careful, and probably perfectionists. They lead double-lives. Consider the discipline it requires to carefully conceal every aspect of your activities and never, ever talk about it. Most of us couldn't do that. It's also important to realize their true lives is that of the psychopathic predator. The jobs, the wives, the families are all part of the concealment. They are part of the curtain behind which no one but the victims are ever permitted.

 

Michelle

That makes sense to me.

kropotkin1951

Frustrated Mess wrote:

I think that is addressed by Tommy when he discussed compartmentalizing. These guys aren't the same as abusers or men with anger management problems. They are methodical, disciplined, clinical, very careful, and probably perfectionists. They lead double-lives. Consider the discipline it requires to carefully conceal every aspect of your activities and never, ever talk about it. Most of us couldn't do that. It's also important to realize their true lives is that of the psychopathic predator. The jobs, the wives, the families are all part of the concealment. They are part of the curtain behind which no one but the victims are ever permitted.

 

Well said.  

NorthReport
skdadl

Oh, dear. The police have no doubt already talked to Williams about Rashotte. He was so forthcoming about Lloyd, but now he's under suicide watch. Oh, dear.

 

Given what we've heard about the carefully stored and catalogued collection of lingerie, you have to think there are at least a few more b&es in his past.

Jingles

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respective body counts, the illusionary power of indiscriminate killing, and the total absence of the most basic regard for the lives of others.

Isn't that the job description for a military officer? After all, he was on the fast-track to General, where such attributes are as essential to the job as basic first aid is to a paramedic.

So, I can't see how a demonstrated disregard for the lives of others, the power of indiscriminate killing, complete unaccountability for their actions, and a grandiose sense of entitlement brought on by a militarist culture, in any way disqualifies Williams/Sovko from consideration for leadership at the highest levels of the military. Our current CDS obviously has no problem with these characteristics.

From the previous thread:

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Considering the Taliban's views on woman as humans they would swiftly promote the Colonel to General.

Funny you should say that, PraetorianFour, since it is the DND which had him marked for just such a promotion. 

Wilf Day

His childhood may be interesting, but what I'm waiting for is the adult behaviour.

He sounds pretty obviously obsessive-compulsive. OCD people are attracted to the military, but they make poor soldiers in theatre: war is uncontrollable. They tend to fall apart when they can't keep control.

Williams never served in a theatre of war. The closest he got was this: From December 2005 to June 2006 Williams was the commanding officer at Camp Mirage, the Canadian Forces forward logistics base near Dubai. After only six months, they pulled him out. Why?

Then in July 2006 they gave him a desk job in purchasing: the Directorate of Air Requirements, where he served as project director for the Airlift Capability Projects Strategic (CC177 Globemaster III) and Tactical (CC130J Hercules J), and Fixed-Wing Search and Rescue. He started doing panty raids in 2006.

This fellow had been on the command track. Back in August 2003 they had given him a year at RMC to get his master's of defence studies. But he never got closer to combat than Dubai. Why?

He fell apart in Dubai in 2006, came back a failure, relieved his stress by going on panty raids, and someone in the Canadian Forces kept quiet, right? That's what it looks like.

PraetorianFour

Wilf Day wrote:

His childhood may be interesting, but what I'm waiting for is the adult behaviour.

He sounds pretty obviously obsessive-compulsive. OCD people are attracted to the military, but they make poor soldiers in theatre: war is uncontrollable. They tend to fall apart when they can't keep control.

Is this something you are guessing at or did you pull this fact from somewhere? I've never heard that OCD people are attracted to the military.

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 After only six months, they pulled him out. Why?

6 months is the standard "tour of duty" for Canadian soldiers.  Only very recently have some tours been extended to 9 months for some soldiers,those staying "inside the wire".  Soldiers stationed outside the wire still have 6 month tours.

Williams was pulled out after 6 months because that's standard for everybody especially back in 05 asnd 06.

gross

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 But he never got closer to combat than Dubai. Why?

At a guess, not everyone see's combat. Even someone who might be a combat pilot may never get the chance to be placed in that position. If there are only 50 positions for 500 people for certain jobs lots of people "miss the train".

If he was a fighter pilot during a period when we were not sending fighter aircraft into combat zones he could have got posted somewhere else.

Someone mentioned that he probably made mistakes or left signs and people at his work covered it up.  That could very well be the case however I don't think so.

In my opinion, there can be very passive-agressive behavior on bases. Also telling a soldiers boss about infractions can seem almost like a past time.  I've got to work and had my boss call me into the office to tell me that that morning someone saw me driving without my headress [hat part of my uniform] on and get out of my truck and pump gass without it. Someone saw me recognized me and managed to tell my boss before i even got to work.  Walking with your hands in your pocket, chewing gum. Not having a coat zippered up. A bumper sticker on your vehicle that someone doesn't like.  Some people go out of their way to put their nose in everybodies business. I'm sure that happens at your work places too.

Maybe Williams left signs and people covered up but I strongly believe he didn't leave any signs. Rumors and inter office bickering moves faster than light in the CF, ask any former member here.

I think he was just very good at hiding being a monster.

triciamarie

For what it's worth, I used to be a waitress at Rumours in Trenton back in the day. The first Toronto Star article quoted Major General Marc Terreau who is the father of a good friend of mine growing up; I spent many a weekend at his house on base, where I suspect this guy Williams probably lived later on -- there or one of the two houses next door. (My boyfriend after that lived in the village of Tweed.)

IMO it will be a cold day in hell when the Forces start seriously investigating the mental health of their employees. This is a big problem for folks coming home from combat. Lots of military families living with violence and abuse, and you can't ever complain or try to get help, because that will be the end of your soldier's career. That's how it used to be anyway and I haven't heard that it's too much different now.

The other thing I remember is the sense that what happens on deployment, stays on deployment. Makes me wonder about dead women outside of Canada.

ETA: Just reading the first thread now and I see that these points were made previously.

Wilf Day

PraetorianFour wrote:

Wilf Day wrote:
He sounds pretty obviously obsessive-compulsive. OCD people are attracted to the military, but they make poor soldiers in theatre: war is uncontrollable. They tend to fall apart when they can't keep control.

Is this something you are guessing at or did you pull this fact from somewhere? I've never heard that OCD people are attracted to the military.

I've read it before, but just recently I heard a doctor in charge of a field hospital in Kandahar discussing this on CBC radio. It made a lot of sense.

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