Trenton Base Commander Williams, Thread 2

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margot66

There was vague mention of an incident at Camp Mirage, no details, certainly no names, in 06. I'm trying to remember when I heard this, ages ago.

Williams listed his address in the phone book, according to white pages, as

Russ Williams

62 COSY PL
Tweed, ON K0K 3J0

 

(613) 478-3041

It was actually Cosy Cove Lane, along the east side of a lake there. Now, you don't have to list your address in the phone book, so why bother with a misleading one? Providing you pay your bills, you may not have to list your real name. Back inthe 60s, a friend's parents were findable only by the name of the beach they had courted on, which I thought was utterly cool. But just as people spell their surnames one letter wrong to avoid huge eventual cable bills, a tactic I'm not sure is actually effective, some do want to seem normal but change the exact street name. I'm guessing Williams skewed his phone book address when he moved to Tweed. How many years ago?

remind remind's picture

How do you change your address in the phone book?

 

The phone company compiles and puts your name into the book, unless you have a restricted number, or pay not to have it in there.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I don't pay extra to have an unlisted address...

remind remind's picture

Telus charges for everything, even no listings in the phone book, and will not accept arguments that it should be free, they said they have to do paper work to have it not appear so there is a charge for admin services.

 

....they even upped my dial up connection by 2.4kb from 24.0kb and charge me almost 3 bucks for it, calling it hgigher speed dial up, without even asking me....

 

margot66

Remind,

I don't know how to change an address in the phone book, but certainly when setting up a new address and phone number, it is simple to request that the address not be shown.  Twenty years ago, people could look up an address in the city directory at the public library, and get a name and phone number.  Now, you don't have to hike down to the library.  This can be accomplished online, white pages .ca etc.

It's really handy if you've forgotten someone's full name, say in a neighbourhood you've moved away from.  But the nastiness possible from this system persuaded me to list my name with no address decades ago --- and to keep my name out of the city directory.  Vigilance was necessary when people came door to door collecting names for the city directory because they were paid per name, and if denied information, some asked neighbours for it.  Officially this was against the rules, but people doing the canvas were often desperate for money and considered their mission more important than the rules. 

margot66

Go back and read Wilf Day, he was on the right track.

"Williams never served in a theatre of war. The closest he got was this: From December 2005 to June 2006 Williams was the commanding officer at Camp Mirage, the Canadian Forces forward logistics base near Dubai. After only six months, they pulled him out. Why?"
In January 06, two entries to this were very interesting perhaps concerning something that may have happened, and they have been removed:
http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/apps/dc/qua-tri-eng.asp?q=4&y=2005&ord=ven
I commented on them, cut and pasted to thetyee:

"Check out the Habtoor Grand Hotel and Spa, where DND reported spending a great whack in mid- January last year.

 

15-01-2006 Habtoor Grand Resort and Spa Recreational Services $350,000.00

15-01-2006 Sherzai Transportation $300,000.00

(Sherzai, a frequent recipient of DND $$, usually just listed as "Sherzai", may be the former governor of Kandahar)

( So skip the Sherzai stuff, for another time.)

 

I don't have a problem with troops spending time to unwind at something like the Habtoor, as I believe they now do in Cypress. I did have a problem with the Habtoor entry being removed.

 

The cut and paste was because I had a problem with Sherzai. Which then led to where did it go?

 

There don't seem to have been entries about R&R anywhere else since, so maybe DND just found some other accountant.

 

Given what Wilf pointed out about Williams, this is still really interesting.

margot66

I don't seem to get the format and editing process here, have tried many times to insert a space between Wilf's "why?" and my lead to the link to the DND quarterly list, from which the Habtoor Grand Hotel and Spa bill has disappeared.

The Habtoor is in Dubai, next door to Camp Mirage, and Williams was there at the time.

Slumberjack

margot66 wrote:
 After only six months, they pulled him out. Why?

Six months is the standard tour length for most Canadian military occupations [pun intended].  You'll find that nearly everyone sent anywhere gets 'pulled out' after six months, and replaced in theatre with another group of troops and commanders embarking on their very own six month tours.

NDPP

Col Russell Williams Pleads Guilty

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/18/col-williams-court-1018.html

Canada trained him to kill. And he did.

Managing an Asymmetric World: A Case for Preventitive War  - by Russell Williams

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-mastersresearchproject.pdf

"This essay argues that the threat of preventitive war, provided the legitimacy of past and similar action, can be used to shape the actions of so-called rogue regimes and others, increasing stability in an anarchical international system. With broad support, preventitive war can serve to demonstrate the international community's resolve in its dealings with pariah states..'

 

 

 

NDPP

Military Murder Mystery or Just a Desert Mirage

http://blogs.canoe.ca/parker/general/military-murder-mystery-or-just-a-d...

"The part that catches my attention is 'six months as the Commanding Officer Theatre Support Element - Camp Mirage' (December 2005-June 2006). Camp Mirage - a Midest air base that is the key link in the military air bridge between CFB Trenton and our forces in Afghanistan. Almost everyone and everything involved in Canada's Afghanistan war effort goes through Camp Mirage, including the returning flag-draped caskets of Canadian soldiers killed in action.."

NDPP

Day in Court Ends With Details of Assault

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/877044--williams-graphic-phot...

Col Russel WIlliams didn't just take thousands of pornographic pictures during the escalating fetishism of his 82 break-ins -- he videotaped the actual murder of at least one of his victims...

Ken and Sharon Jones, who live in Belleville, tucked themselves in a corner behind the cameras on the courthouse steps. The couple attends all the repatriation ceremonies in nearby Trenton for the slain Canadian Forces soldiers whose bodies are returning from Afghanistan.

They had taken pictures of Williams as a celebrated colonel when the Olympic torch came through last year.

'This has done so much damage to the image of the forces,' Sharon said sombrely. The formal process to kick Williams out of the military would begin on conviction, Gen. Walter Natynczyk, Chief of the Defence Staff for the Canadian Forces, said in a statement.."

NDPP

Canadian Pilot Who Flew For the Queen Pleads Guilty to Murder

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/canada/8071774/Ca...

"A Canadian Air Force pilot who once flew the Queen across the Atlantic has pleaded guilty to murdering two women and sexually assaulting two others..

Police are looking into unsolved crimes near his previous postings which included a stint as commanding officer of Camp Mirage, a secretive Canadian base near Dubai, in 2006."

NDPP

Disastrous Week Leaves Military Vets Wondering : How Did They Get There?

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Disastrous+week+leaves+military+vets+wo...

"How could anyone so cruel, depraved and criminal be promoted to the senior ranks of the Canadian military? How could a psychopath be placed in a position of command?

'You don't become Col. Williams overnight,' retired Canadian Forces Col. Michael Drapeau said in an interview..."

Frmrsldr

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Managing an Asymmetric World: A Case for Preventitive War  - by Russell Williams

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-mastersresearchproject.pdf

"... With broad support, preventitive war can serve to demonstrate the international community's resolve in its dealings with pariah states..'

The "international community" he is talking about is not the U.N. The U.N. has no such mandate. In fact, according to the U.N. Charter, the Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Principles and other international laws, "preventive/pre-emptive war/strike", etc., constitutes an illegal "War of Aggression."

NATO has such a mandate. But NATO's Charter is not a body of international law.

He also talks about international anarchy. I guess he either 'accidently' or (more likely) intentionally ignored the U.N. This is doubletalk for American or nation-state exceptionalism. Which is itself (a) case(s) of international anarchy.

Frmrsldr

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Ken and Sharon Jones, who live in Belleville, tucked themselves in a corner behind the cameras on the courthouse steps. The couple attends all the repatriation ceremonies in nearby Trenton for the slain Canadian Forces soldiers whose bodies are returning from Afghanistan.

 

I find such people to be "ghouls."

It only adds to the nazi-esque "Cult of the Slain Soldier as Hero" started by war criminal and Canadian cultural blight, former Gen. Rick Hillier.

margot66

I was fascinated by how articulate Williams was in his preventive war thesis (link above), and how this would sound over a vid of some of the photos. 

NDPP

Lurid Details EMerge in Williams Case

http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/joe_warmington/2010/10/18/1572...

"So this is what it's like to be in the presence of pure evil.

What else do you call it after what Russell Williams did to his victims while the commander of CFB Trenton and in a position of trust and care of our precious young fighting men and women?"

Col Russell Williams - Photos:

http://www.thestar.com/fpLarge/photo/877369

 

Caissa

Why is the public being "treated" to a five day sentencing hearing when Williams will be receiving a life sentence with no eligibility for parole for 25 years? Are there any lawyers about who can explain why the sentence is not being passed quickly and expeditiously? Is this part of justice being seen to be done?

remind remind's picture

Excellent question Caissa, and I for one am sickened by the continued printing of the whacked details in news report after news report, it has gone past the point, in my view, of sharing a snippet of the psychopath's actions, to exploiting the incidences of violence against these women and girls, in order to 'titillate' the other whacks in society, who gobble that kinda reporting up.

kropotkin1951

I agree that given the fact that he has pled guilty the judge should have ordered it all sealed to shield the victims from further abuse by MSM "news pornographers."   

kropotkin1951

Note the difference in the Basi Virk outcome.  We don't get any details there, go figure.  No titillating snippets that shows a glimpse of the deep corruption that has seeped into our provincial politics but the lives of abused women are an open book for all to consume as a saucy side dish. WTF

remind remind's picture

The Canadian media should be deeply ashamed. As should the judicial system.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Antonia Zerbisias and Elizabeth Pickett: Forced Entry

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The point is not the underwear.  The point is that it belonged to a girl or woman who wore it and kept it in her dresser drawer. To break into the house, the bedroom, the dresser drawer of a girl or woman, try on her underwear and spend hours taking pictures of yourself wearing it while masturbating isn't a fetish, it's a VIOLATION of the personal space and the sexualized belongings of the girl or woman. To masturbate all over her bedroom is a VIOLATION. To tie her up and take pictures of her while masturbating and taking pictures is a VIOLATION. To do the same and then kill her is a VIOLATION.  This is escalating predatory behaviour, not fetishism.

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Right now, thousands of people are going through the photos on the Star's website, maybe laughing, maybe feeling revulsion, maybe both.

But, as Elizabeth wants you to remember, Williams did not get that lingerie by ordering from Victoria's Secrets. He got it by raping the personal and private space of 82 women and girls -- and there's nothing titllating or amusing about that.

 

And Sabina Becker @News of the Restless

Memo to the media: Lose your sexual fetish and report the REAL story!

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Williams's crimes had a sexual overtone that was impossible to miss. He stalked single women and girls. He broke into their homes. He rifled through their clothing, particularly their underwear. He photographed himself wearing said clothing, particularly the victims' underwear. He masturbated on their beds. He stole hundreds of pieces of underwear and other intimate objects, and kept extensive photographic files on his computer as trophies of his violations. And when that didn't suffice him, he graduated to sexual assault, and then to killing.

As far as the major media are concerned, it appears that Russell Williams is a sexual fetishist gone off the deep end. He isn't.

He is a predator.

There are several crucial differences between the two. These are the differences:

For a fetishist, an object (or specific body part) stands in for a human being in a sexual context. For a predator, a human being becomes an object; the objectification is sexualized.

A fetishist usually doesn't steal fetish objects; s/he prefers to buy them or barter for them. Fetishists prefer to obtain the consent of the person from whom they get their things.

A predator invariably steals. Consensual activity does not interest him. Stealing, for the predator, is a form of control; it renders victims uncertain, ashamed and afraid. The predator is aroused by the notion that he has control over a victim's emotions. He appropriates what is not rightfully his, often making it his by wearing it, posing for photos in it, or mutilating it. Often, the more intimate the object--underwear, for instance--the more desirable it is as a means to scare his victims. This is why a predator's thefts should not be laughed off as a kind of solitary panty raid, but taken seriously an indicator of more devious criminality below the surface.

remind remind's picture

Glad to see other women coming forward and telling it like it is, too.

 

Thanks catchfire

Bacchus

I think part of it is deliberate in order to demonize him (not that thats diffulcult to do) so that the public in general concentrates on him as a demon serial killer, predator and NOT on anything to do with his activities, training or anything to do with being a soldier

Snert Snert's picture

But despite myself, I can't help fixating on the fact that WE TRAINED him to fly airplanes!  We-a culpa.

remind remind's picture

Well they are not really "demonizing him" by calling him a fetishist. Though I did hear one TV report that equated him with Clifford Olsen.

But I would think you are correct about trying to minimize his military training and advancement to base Commander. Especially in light of the recent reporting about the serial rapists amongst Canada's military in Afghanistan.

 

Would not want the public to draw paralells after all.

E.Tamaran

He's more like bernardo. Video's and all of the actual murders/sexual assaults. Is it wrong to say that he deserves to be put to death?

remind remind's picture

Snert wrote:
But despite myself, I can't help fixating on the fact that WE TRAINED him to fly airplanes!  We-a culpa.

reported, as this is the most violently abusive drive-by that I have ever witnessed.

This is blaming the victims, and indeed blaming all women and girls for the abusive male violence imposed upon us.

It is so sickening to be read hear in the feminist forum at rabble, that every woman and feminist in the country should be outraged.

pookie

remind wrote:

Snert wrote:
But despite myself, I can't help fixating on the fact that WE TRAINED him to fly airplanes!  We-a culpa.

reported, as this is the most violently abusive drive-by that I have ever witnessed.

This is blaming the victims, and indeed blaming all women and girls for the abusive male violence imposed upon us.

It is so sickening to be read hear in the feminist forum at rabble, that every woman and feminist in the country should be outraged.

Huh?

Every "woman and feminist in the country" should be outraged at snert, eh.

Ok.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Snert, I don't really understand your post #76. It appears to be a poorly executed joke. If it's an attempt at wit or levity, I'd remind you a) that this topic is in the feminism forum, and b) this is a very serious topic which can trigger some very serious reactions in women, victims of assualt or sexual assault, and anyone with family members who have been victimized by such attacks. Flippant attempts at humour do not go over well.

So I guess what I'm saying is the next time you want to post in a thread like this, think with your goddamned head.

remind remind's picture

Outraged at attitudes like snert's, which allow him to post something so absolutely lacking in thought and perception, at its best extreme, He was basically stating; 'what the hell, it is all the people's fault who were murdered and victimized by this man, as 'we/they trained him'.

 

The man is a psychopath, it is no one's fault for what he did, and snert's blaming everyone for a psychopath's behaviour with his "we-a culpa", is beyond sickening, and I am surprised that such a thing needed to be outlined.

 

...it is wrongful blaming, and trivializing attitudes like this which endanger women and girls.

al-Qa'bong

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Snert, I don't really understand your post #76. It appears to be a poorly executed joke. If it's an attempt at wit or levity, I'd remind you a) that this topic is in the feminism forum...

 

I don't have anything to say about this murderous psychopath, and hence amn't missing out on anything, but why was this thread moved to the feminist forum? Isn't this a law and order subject, not a gendered issue, unless psychopathic violence is a normal trait among males?

NDPP

"our bodies have become the final frontier for the final weapon at the disposal of the invader - whoever he may be - the final weapon being his dick, forced upon our bodies, forcefully penetrating us, just the same way the occupier did when he set foot in 2003.

This is a continuum on the same line..."  Layla Anwar  from Rape The Final Frontier

NDPP

Killer Colonel's Victims Pleaded for Mercy

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/10/19/15745706.html

"He created his own snuff films, a sick meticulous director who, for hours, raped and tortured two terrified women, capturing all their degradation on his video camera as he snapped commands.."

Russell Williams Moved Easily Between Roles of Murderer and Colonel

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/russell-williams-moved-easi...

Williams' Murder Victims Pleaded for their Lies

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/19/russell-williams-day-2.html

"An autopsy showed she suffered at least five blows to the head and Williams continued to photograph her as she struggled for breath. Comeau appeared to suffocate when Williams put duct tape over her nose. He continued to take photos of Comeau after she died. He then cleaned up the crime scene with bleach, placed her in the bed and left with her lingerie. Then Williams drove to Ottawa to attend a meeting.."

Covering Colonel Williams

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/19/enkin-williams-coverage.html

"...we cover it because there is a strong public interest (and yes, maybe some of it is prurient) as well as a real need to understand how someone in a position of such authority, a senior member of the Canadian Armed Forces could also commit these crimes.."

Col Russell Williams: Evidence Photos

http://www.globalnews.ca/sports/Russell+Williams+trial+Warning+Evidence+...

Iraq POWs

http://www.aztlan.net/torture_iraqi_pows.htm

US Abu Ghraib Guard (vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmPdZjkjyY&feature=related

US Troops raped/murdered 14 yr old (vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgySF2yh82A&feature=related

Shidane Arone

http://connect.in.com/shidane-arone/photos-253833-1431404.html

Afghan Detainee Found Dead

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/10/18/15728556.html

"A detainee being held by troops from the NATO led force in Afghanistan was found dead in his holding cell, and an investigation is underway...The man was captured during a military operation by ISAF on Saturday and was 'found dead' the following day in his cell in Kandahar province, ISAF said in a statement. It did not give further details.."

Afghanistan: Damning Revelations

http://www.socialistvoice.ca/?p=1349

"...Sand Trap 1 concerns charges that in 2006 a member of JTF2 murdered an Afghan...The military called the murder an 'improper killing'. A similar investigation by the US military has led to charges against five soldiers who operated as a self-styled 'death squad'. Prosecutors claim that the five soldiers mutilated Afghan corpses, collected fingers and other body parts, AND POSED IN PHOTOS WITH THE BODIES..."

Russell Williams - Confession extended version vid

http://www.thestar.com/videozone/878623--williams-confession-extended-ve...

'Why is it a crime for one man to murder another, but not for a government to kill more than a million?'

Rafael Lemkin

 

margot66

Apt connections NDPar, thank you for the links.

I was impressed by the grace and respect as Smyth questioned Williams, in the clips available.  Such a far cry from a military interrogation, and the treatment of G8 and G20 protesters.

The vid I'd like to see, to be made accessible, is of when Williams was chewing gum and stonewalling, assuming his position and status and bearing would work like teflon. 

Still think something awful happened in Dubai, possibly to do with the now missing (at least last time I looked) Habtoor Grand entry in the DND "proactive" "disclosure" of contracts over $10,000 cut and pasted, posted, earlier in this forum, think the date was Jan 15 06.

 

 

NDPP

Colonel William's Letters to Victims and Wife

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-letters-col-williams-wr...

 

 

margot66

Here's the link to start reading Layla Anwar:

 

http://uncensoredarabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-final-frontier.html

 

 

NDPP

Thanks Margot - Anwar is the best

Col WIlliams Betrayed the Military: Harper

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/10/21/nl-harpe...

"The Canadian Forces are the victim here..."

 

NDPP

Williams Speaks  LIVE COVERAGE:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/10/21/williams-coveritlive-dayfour.html

"I stand before you,your honour, indescribably shamed..."

Maysie Maysie's picture

Only Harper can turn something so deeply grounded in violence and hatred for women into a booster-fest for the military.

And I'm watching the live tweets from the link you posted, NDPP.

I don't know which makes me more sick.

NDPP

I do - Harper.

"why is it a crime to murder another, but not for a government..?" - Lemkin

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Elizabeth Pickett: The horrific Williams murders were about power not personal fetishes

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The fit between police and lawerly narrative and mainstream media reportage is so "almost perfect" it's hard to resist conspiracy theory. The media was prompted to refer over and over and over again to the vast distance between Williams's impeccable behaviour in everyday life and the "perverted," then criminally" depraved," then sadistically assaultive and finally murderous acts he perpetrated on girls and women.

He is intelligent and was ambitious. He attained a high rank in a military institution that Canadians are taught to revere and not to question. He did things that many people are lucky enough not to be able to imagine. The only explanation is that he is a depraved sex pervert who acted beyond the pale in his "private" life and that -- hey! -- in fact, he can't be explained. Case closed.

Lest anyone be tempted to question this, plaster pictures of the macho man in women's undies to be carefully released by the court all across the country, engage in uninformed conjecture about the nature of fetishism, argue about where and how much and how many pictures should be published, ponder the character of his wife and sensationalize what needs no repetition or exaggeration to be sensational all on its own. Say the names Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Remember their crimes in detail. Make everyone as sick to death of it all as possible so they will want to forget. Ensure that as few people as possible come to any understanding of the meaning of Williams's acts.

An outstanding, must-read article on the case.

Frmrsldr

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Col WIlliams Betrayed the Military: Harper

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/10/21/nl-harpe...

"The Canadian Forces are the victim here..."

What does he [Herr Harper] think he is saying?

Put that man in jail!

Sineed

Stephen Harper wrote:
"This is just a horrific event," Harper said while in St. John's on Thursday. "Our thoughts go out to all the members of the Canadian Forces who knew the commander and who have been very badly wounded and betrayed by all of this. Obviously, this in no way reflects on the Forces."

"Defence Minister Peter MacKay has made clear the Forces will undertake all necessary actions to ensure that all sanctions possible and all benefits possible can be withdrawn from the former commander but this is a terrible and unique case," said Harper.

"The Canadian Forces are the victim here, as are the direct victims of these terrible events."

Nice of him to mention the actual victims.  But if Williams was a podiatrist or an actuary, would the Prime Minister be defending these professions, saying, "These events don't reflect upon the profession of podiatry or the actuarial sciences as a whole."  

"Our thoughts go out to the members of the Forces..."  What the hell?

I'm so gobsmacked by this.

It's massively inappropriate, no?  I mean, when Paul Bernardo was jailed, did the prime minister get up and say, "Our thoughts are with accountants everywhere who feel besmirched by this.  And oh yeah, the French and Mahaffy families."

Can anybody articulate this more clearly?

Snert Snert's picture

I'm NOT agreeing with Harper here, but from the very top of this thread:

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Interesting reaction from the folks in Trenton. Maybe, just maybe, people everywhere should become ashamed of all military uniforms.

Williams cut family ties, brother say

 

Meanwhile, in the town of Trenton, there was talk Thursday of soldiers being harassed and spat upon by angry townsfolk. At the aptly titled Rumours bar, a military hangout, owner and former military pilot Pierre Bouchard said he's heard of soldiers being yelled at or spit on in public since news of Williams' arrest. "This town survives because of the base," said Bouchard. "I (would) hate to see people become ashamed of their uniform."

 

To be fair, were there rumours of people spitting at accountants after Bernardo?

 

People seem to really want to connect this one to the military. If they didn't, Harper's comments would make no sense at all.

 

kropotkin1951

Militarism promotes violence and the military attracts and then trains killers.  They are the universal soldiers whose decisions to kill is their own. With the news of our home town team raping and murdering in Afghanistan is it any wonder people are taking it out on the members of the same murderous gang after one of its leaders got caught doing the same thing in Canada?

E.Tamaran

I could understand a pig doing something like this; they do it every day after all.  But, and this is from some FN guys who are in the Army, generally speaking they follow the laws. Generally. Some will drink too much and get into fights off the base, and then there's the shit that happens in afghanistan. But, and this is a qualified but, you don't normally have Army people abusing their authority on homeless FNs in the big city or on the rez. And again this is a qualified, but the guys I know say that for them in the Army things are way better than they'd ever experience living in Vancouver or Winnipeg (especially). Respect, because they earn it and it's returned in the Army. Not always, there are always some assholes, but mostly.

Snert Snert's picture

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With the news of our home town team raping and murdering in Afghanistan is it any wonder people are taking it out on the members of the same murderous gang after one of its leaders got caught doing the same thing in Canada?

 

See, that's pretty much what my comment at #76 was aimed at. Yes, he was in the military. But we trained him to fly a plane, and later, shine a seat with his ass. He never saw combat.

 

It's not like we created Rambo and then he turned on us.

 

I actually tried to google for other serial killers in the military. You'd think, if any kind of military training whatsoever is really desensitizing men and women to become remorseless murdering machines, I'd have found some, yes? Surely there's more meaningful things to look at in this case than a specious link to the military, for the purpose of hay-making?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Perhaps Williams's career in the military had no bearing on his murderous sexual predation. But it seems needful to ask the question in the way that it is not regarding accountancy. For example, accounting doesn't ask you to kill people, or think it's okay to kill people, or use weapons with the sole purpose of killing. The military, obviously, does. Moreover, the fact that this happened in and around Trenton--whose entire community is invested in a bond of trust between their municipality and an army base--is extremely relevant. It has forced a town to reevaluate their relationship with its constitutive industry, essentially. It's natural to ask what was it about this community symbiotic with a military base which allowed so many shocking and excessive crimes to take place. Both of these things don't apply to Bernardo.

Lastly, I don't think you need to look very hard to find serial killers in the military, Canadian or elsewhere. The only unique thing about Williams is not that he killed or violated, but that he did it here in Canada.

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