Trenton Base Commander Williams pleads guilty to 88 charges including two murders (Part 3)

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Trenton Base Commander Williams pleads guilty to 88 charges including two murders (Part 3)
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There is a thread on this already

Maysie Maysie's picture

Found it here.

Doug please re-post the update to the existing thread.

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Reopening and editing the thread title. Please continue from this thread.

writer writer's picture

[PDF] [url=http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%... Killers With Military Experience: Applying Learning Theory to Serial Murder[/url]

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The general theory of social learning, as formulated by Burgess and Akers
(1966), was applied to show how the military provided a social group through
which potential or future serial killers learn the skills and neutralization tech-
niques of killing. Grossman’s (1996) research in the military on the psychology of
killing supports the idea that murder, like other forms of crime and deviant behav-
ior, can be learned. Although researchers have used social learning theory to sup-
port crime and deviant behavior, Hale (1993) was the first scholar who attempted
to apply learning theory to serial murder.

Like other variables previously considered in the study of serial murder, mili-
tary experience is not present in all cases. Therefore, the military may be just one
social group that provides the serial killer with the associations and reinforce-
ments necessary to learn how to kill. However, future serial killers may be
attracted to military service for this reason. As the study of serial murder remains a
new area of research, future studies might examine this relationship further.

Bacchus

So we are saying that any prior military service is a component of serial killers? Even though we were talking about current military members, none of which are found elsewhere. And given that the US had the draft until the 70s, any male serial killer would have likely to have had some military service

writer writer's picture

[url=http://www.rense.com/general31/serial.htm]Military training links string of serial killers[/url]

Bacchus

Hmm so someone who 'snaps' is a serial killer? So anyone who kills more than 1 person at a time? I thought serial killer was someone who hunted and preyed on people, not snapped once and killed a bunch at once

writer writer's picture

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Drawing on interviews, published personal accounts and academic studies, Grossman investigates the psychology of killing in combat. Stressing that human beings have a powerful, innate resistance to the taking of life, he examines the techniques developed by the military to overcome that aversion. His provocative study focuses in particular on the Vietnam war, revealing how the American soldier was "enabled to kill to a far greater degree than any other soldier in history." Grossman argues that the breakdown of American society, combined with the pervasive violence in the media and interactive video games, is conditioning our children to kill in a manner siimilar to the army's conditioning of soldiers: "We are reaching that stage of desensitization at which the infliction of pain and suffering has become a source of entertainment: vicarious pleasure rather than revulsion. We are learning to kill, and we are learning to like it." Grossman, a professor of military science at Arkansas State University, has written a study of relevance to a society of escalating violence.

Publishers Weekly review of On Killing, by Dave Grossman

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Grossman (psychology, West Point) presents three important hypotheses: 1) That humans possess the reluctance to kill their own kind; 2) that this reluctance can be systematically broken down by use of standard conditioning techniques; and 3) that the reaction of "normal" (e.g., non-psychopathic) soliders to having killed in close combat can be best understood as a series of "stages" similar to the ubiquitous Kubler-Ross stages of reaction to life-threatening disease. While some of the evidence to support his theories have been previously presented by military historians (most notably, John Keegan), this systematic examination of the individual soldier's behavior, like all good scientific theory making, leads to a series of useful explanations for a variety of phenomena, such as the high rate of post traumatic stress disorders among Vietnam veterans, why the rate of aggravated assault continues to climb, and why civilian populations that have endured heavy bombing in warfare do not have high incidents of mental illness. This important book deserves a wide readership. Essential for all libraries serving military personnel or veterans, including most public libraries.

Library Review journal of same

writer writer's picture

The Boston Strangler was a serial murderer. What was Timothy McVeigh? He murdered many all at once. Did he simply "snap"?

Frmrsldr

Getting back to (former Colonel) Russel Williams, although he may have had the potential to become a serial killer, he was convicted of two murders.

writer writer's picture

serial killer | mass murderer | spree killer

Sometimes I think the way these tend to be defined is simplistic. A murderer can have a very calculated plan that is executed at once. Suddenly, in one event, his family is dead. Did he "snap"?

Was the Washington sniper a serial killer or a spree killer?

Frmrsldr

writer wrote:

The Boston Strangler was a serial murderer. What was Timothy McVeigh? He murdered many all at once. Did he simply "snap"?

Yes, quite possibly, he might have had an emotional breakdown.

Although his bombing was preplanned/premeditated.

To me, it was a case of a disgruntled person who may have suffered from PTSD who also got in with the wrong group of people.

writer writer's picture

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The British author John Brody first used the term in 1966, and the National Institute of Justice defined serial murder in 1988 as "a series of 2 or more murders, committed as separate events, usually, but not always, by one offender acting alone" (Newton 2000, p. 205). Another perspective is that of Steve Egger, who uses six characteristics in his definition of serial murder: (1) There are a minimum of two murders; (2) the killer and victim are unrelated; (3) the murders have no direct connection to each other and occur at different times; (4) the murders usually occur at different locations; (5) victims may have characteristics in common with earlier or later victims; and (6) the murders are not committed for material gain but for gratification based on fantasies.

Several of these characteristics are debatable. The material gain motive is more common with the female than the male style of serial murder, thus Egger's definition could be seen more as serial signature murder. Also, individuals such as Edmund Kemper, who killed his grandparents and mother, and Henry Lee Lucas, whose mother was his first victim, are generally classified as serial killers. The criminologist Eric Hickey states that most researchers define serial killers as having three to four victims, but also includes in his database of serial killers some individuals who "killed only two victims but were suspect in other slayings or in which evidence indicated their intent to kill others" (Hickey 1997, p.27). The problem with using a definition based strictly on three victims omits the two-time signature killer who has obsessive qualities and would be expected to continue to kill.

Serial murder differs from mass murder in that mass murder involves killings of four or more victims in the same general area and occurs as one event in a short period of time. The mass murderer "appears to give little thought or concern to his or her inevitable capture or death" and may give him- or herself up or commit suicide if not killed by police (ibid., p. 7).

[url=http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_gx5214/is_2003/ai_n19132282/?tag=c... Killers[/url]

Frmrsldr

Although the following link is not directly related to the Russel Williams case, it is related generally to PTSD and domestic violence perpetrated by current and former military persons and the role overprescribing prescription drugs may play in this:

http://www.alternet.org/health/148444/are_we_giving_our_soldiers_drugs_t...

Roberteh

It is a sad fact, that my part of the world - Central America knew many who had their training in the School of Americans were in the day cleancut decent looking military men during the day then at night dawned the mask of the night and became the paramilitaries that savagely raped murdered for those seeking the status quo.This is just a Canadian chapter in an otherwise long history of abuse and violence.This whole episode puts a spotlight on military culture.

But I fear that the government is successfully diverting it away from further scrutiny by carefully surgical scripted phrases...in press conferences - allowing the media to air victim statements...because of the stalemate in Afganistan and the procurement of the new aircraft.  They simply do not want to tarnish the military - for fear a major plank of their platform - ie unconditional readiness to serve the US Empire - like my poor Central American Republics were deluded into believing in a false status quo...means the military cannot be questioned.  Forming the pretorian armour around the patrician robes.

 

Bacchus

If its a series of 2 or more murders, committed as separate events, usually, but not always, by one offender acting alone then the DC killer is but mcveigh is not

Frmrsldr

Yes, McVeigh would be a mass murderer.

Bacchus

Yup and the good colonel is a serial killer

writer writer's picture

Yes. But McVeigh didn't simply snap and randomly kill in the "heat of the  moment." That's what I mean. The definitions don't necessarily line up tidily with the act.

The Washington sniper could be argued to be a serial killer or a spree killer.

Both murderers served in the Gulf War, not as a result of the draft.

writer writer's picture

[url=http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2009/02/15/serial-killersoldier-su... killer/soldier suspect in strangling[/url]

[url=http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller_news/G/GALAN_alfredo.php]Spanish serial killer gets 142 years[/url]

[url=http://www.mynorthwest.com/category/local_news_articles/20100927/Soldier... accused of murder faces possible court-martial[/url]

[url=http://mynorthwest.com/category/local_news_articles/20100913/Attorney:-L... Lewis-McChord soldier almost a serial killer[/url]

[url=http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2010/01/06/966048]Soldier accused in Touma killing won't face execution[/url]

[url=http://www.mahalo.com/cesar-armando-laurean]Cesar Armando Laurean[/url]

[url=http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/afghanistan.killings.fa... Frustrated in trying to raise alarm about soldiers[/url]

writer writer's picture

Charles Ng, ex-marine, and Leonard Lake, ex-marine; suspected of murdering 11—25 victims.

Frmrsldr

writer wrote:

Both murderers served in the Gulf War, not as a result of the draft.

What's important is not whether they were drafted but the fact that they served in the military.

writer writer's picture

[url=http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4006369/]Investigator recalls catching serial killer soldier[/url]

[url=http://www.independent.ie/national-news/crerar-may-have-raped-and-murder... may have raped and murdered other women[/url] | [url=http://www.independent.ie/national-news/phyllis-murphy-killer-accused-of... Murphy killer accused of child sex abuse[/url]

writer writer's picture

Frmrsldr, for this discussion, what matters to me is that they served in a male-dominating, male-privileging, violence-loving, other-izing bully / discipline / dissociative / compulsive / routinized testosterone cesspit of an environment, which exists within the larger misogynistic, dominating, oppressive culture we all endure. Some might have killed in combat. Some might have just been trained to kill in combat. All were taught the techniques that make it easier to break through a natural and common human aversion to killing other humans, particularly by dehumanizing both the soldier and the target.

That is trauma enough in my books. This is the power of the portrait drawn in Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. The horror of Vietnam is contextualized by the first half of the film: the horror, humiliation, enemy creation and women-hating hammered into the trainees at the base.

NDPP

Tories 'exploring all avenues' to Strip Killer Colonel of his Pension

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tories-expl...

"In St John's, the Prime Minister gave his condolences to the families of the murdered women...He also characterized the Canadian Forces as being another victim of the tragegy...

"...our thoughts go out to all members of the Canadian Forces who knew the commander and who have been very badly wounded and betrayed by all this. Obviously this in no way reflects upon the forces...This is a terrible and unique case, obviously, before the courts and I'm not sure that I would suggest anything that draws any further lessons or that in any way damages the reputation of the Canadian Forces."

methinks the PM doth protest too much - how's that detainee inquiry going Stevie and what about SandTrap and JTF2's 'improper killing'? Bad timing if any of that came out now eh? Don't worry, count on all parties to lend a helping hand in damage control and making sure CF continues to feel the love...post Canada's Killer Commander.

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N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

What? you're back? Or just saving a space for a future comment?

Bacchus

A serial killer is a person who commits "a series of 2 or more murders, committed as separate events" [1] or murders three or more people[2][3] over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.[4][5], depending on the definition used. Often, a sexual element is involved with the killings. The murders may have been attempted or completed in a similar fashion and the victims may have had something in common; for example, occupation, race, appearance, sex, or age group.

Serial killers are not the same as mass murderers, who commit multiple murders at one time; nor are they spree killers, who commit murders in two or more locations with virtually no break in between. Coinage of the English term serial killer is commonly attributed to former FBI Special Agent Robert Ressler in the 1970s.[6][7] The concept had been described earlier, e.g. by German police inspector Ernst Gennat coining the same term in 1930.[8] Author Ann Rule postulates in her 2004 book Kiss Me, Kill Me that the English-language credit for coining the term "serial killer" goes to LAPD detective Pierce Brooks, mastermind of the ViCAP system.

Bacchus

Serial killers in the United States tend to share the following general characteristics, but this is not always the case:[9]

Though most serial killers are in Europe and have never been caught

And of course "

Bacchus

The "military theory" can be included as to why serial murderers kill. Looking deeper into some serial murderer's pasts reveals that some have served in the military or other such fields. According to Castle and Hensley, 7% of the serial killers studied had military experience.

 

7%? Im guessing that means more that they use the skills they learn to move their plans forward which would include military skills as well as anything else (like auto mechanic skills for the DC sniper so he could modify his vehicle)

writer writer's picture

You do understand that a skill learned in the military is to kill other humans, yes? Like learning to be a *sniper* (whether from a Texas university tower or in a modified car).

What percentage of the overall population has military exerience? How many serial killers do we not know about, because they did their killing in societies during the chaos of war / occupation?

Military Court in Germany Convicts US Soldier in Iraq Murders

[url=http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,585779,00.html]New German Study Looks at Rape Trauma 60 Years On[/url]

[url=http://hnn.us/articles/1802.html]The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of[/url]

 

Snert Snert's picture

Presumably, rates of serial killers among the general population should be very, very high in countries with compulsory military service.

 

Are they?  As I understand it, the countries with the highest rates of serial killers are the U.S., Britain and Germany.

 

I get the funny feeling that rather than looking at a bunch of evidence that military experience leads to murdering, this started with a wish to link murdering to the military, and the evidence is whatever hodgepodge can be found to support that.

 

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Yes, McVeigh would be a mass murderer.

 

Exactly. Both serial killers and mass murderers kill more than one person, but beyond that, the mindsets are almost nothing alike.

 

If you want to look for patterns, note that both serial killers and mass murderers are almost always white. There have been exceptions, but statistically, those exceptions are anomalies.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Uhh, all of those countries have had extende periods of compulsory military service. For example, the Vietnam war saw conscription return to the USA, and indeed, the phenomena of serial killing has risen in the last decades as far as I can tell.

Snert, there is no need to reinvent the wheel here. Psychologist long ago established that exposure to catastrophic violence such as that of combat leads to PTSD which is a serious causes of abberant psychological states and increased violent behaviour. Read, for example, Jonathon Shay a military psychologist who wrote: "Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Charachter".

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Snert, there is no need to reinvent the wheel here. Psychologist long ago established that exposure to catastrophic violence such as that of combat leads to PTSD which is a serious causes of abberant psychological states and increased violent behaviour.

 

Fair enough. Except it's my understanding that Williams never saw combat.

 

Also, I think the thesis is that military training, independent of combat duty, "teaches you to kill".

 

I stand corrected, BTW, with regard to Muhammad. He was a serial killer, and in his case, his military service clearly -- not just coincidentally -- played into that.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Other expert in military training also complete disagree with you.

In On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society Lt. Colonel Larry Grossman effectively argues that modern training techniques themselve break down the natural inhibitions against intra-species killing.

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What makes soldiers kill--or not--animates this intriguing survey by a psychologist and former U.S. Army officer. Col. Grossman reveals that only a fraction of soldiers kill during warfare (and feel revulsion when they do); the rest (about 85 percent in World War II) resist by missing the target or refusing to fire.

With an eye to the military command's imperative of overcoming that innate resistance, Col. Grossman quotes numerous anecdotes that exemplify the phenomenon and studies that examine it.

Anyway, you can go back to making stuff up.

remind remind's picture

why is this  3 edition not in the feminist forum as were the other 2 before it?

 

could we have it moved please.

 

thank you

Caissa

Why were any of them in the Feminist Forum in the first place?

writer writer's picture

Cueball, I linked to commentary of On Killing earlier. But hey, it's so fun just ignoring such research and sticking to the line that evidence is "just random" after making the stupendously silly claim that no evidence of a relationship between military experience and serial killing can be found online.

writer writer's picture

I believe Charles Ng saw no "action". I've mentioned him and his buddy Leonard Lake (who served in Vietnam), too.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Yes. Its an excellent book. Though I am not sure about the stuff about the culture of violence and video games and so on, but the rest was pretty convincing. Not really hard to figure out that if the armies business is to train people to lose their inhibition to commit intra-species killing that the people they train will have less inhibitions about committing intra-species killing.

6079_Smith_W

Yeah, I think we have our culprit. Why would anyone want to go spoiling a neat and tidy solution with divergent thinking?

Snert Snert's picture

This reminds me of the vigorous attempts to prove that Michael Bryant's amateur boxing days similarly made him a callous, stone-cold killa.  Again, working backwards from the existing belief to the smattering of links that "prove" it.

writer writer's picture

The "culprit" is a whole society that is structured around male domination and the objectification and exploitation of other. The military is simply one aspect of that.

Or do you lean to "the Internet has no evidence!" theory?

writer writer's picture

"I think photos of the Colonel in military uniform explained his predatory behaviour a lot more than cross-dressing photos." — Andrew Brett

jacki-mo

I am now a proponent of the death penalty. This bastard deserves it.

Caissa

Nobody deserves the death penalty.

nussy

He is stuck in a small cell.....not allowed out except for one hour a day. The place stinks and after travelling the world he cant take more than 3 paces without bumping into the wall. He will be watched 24/7 and wont have a moments peace for at least 25 years.

I'm sure he wishes he was dead. 

Green Grouch

Normally I can't stand Rosie DiManno's swooning -at -the- sight -of- boy-cops -n -athletes prose. But today she surprised the hell out of me. Nice to see her and Mallick doing an (overly gentle) callout of the media's constant emphasis on lurid details. If people have links to bloggers doing any media analysis I'd appreciate seeing them.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/879365--dimanno-lurid-details-distract-from-real-issues

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I've moved this thread to the feminism forum.

The practice on babble from time immemorial has been to move discussions which concern the deliberate targetting and violation of women, or violence against women to the feminism forum. This is to remind babblers to approach these stories in our society are above all gendered: it is no accident that this man with a predatory instinct targetted women exclusively. It is also meant to provide a women-friendly space to discuss incendiary topics which could trigger traumatic memories for babblers who have been victims of abuse or sexual abuse, or who have had friends or family members so victimized.

It concerns me that such a innocuous act as to move this thread to a different forum would incite at least two babblers to ask protesting questions. Moving this thread is not an affront to male privilege.

I don't want to contribute to thread drift anymore. If anyone has any more questions as to why this and other threads have been moved, or will be moved, there's a forum for that.

Green Grouch

Thanks, Catchfire.

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