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Mayor Tory the Tory

Now that the election campaign is over I think its time to start a new thread on Toronto under the new mayor.

The big question is whether Tory will govern as a big tent centrist "de facto liberal" or if he will return to his lifelong conservative roots. So far the evidence is mixed but disturbing. On the one hand he has appointed an "advisory committee" of 20-odd people some of whom are good people such as Gord Cressy (father of Joe)...but I have no idea whether people on that "advisory committee" are anything other than tokens with no actual power and that any "advice" they give will be ignored if it isn't conservative advice.

More disturbingly, Tory has appointed the top two people in his office Chris Eby and Vic Gupta - both are hard core rightwing conservatives who used to work for cabinet ministers during the Harris era. In fact Eby worked for Tim Hudak for several years. If Tory was really going to be this cuddly David Crombie-style red Tory, i might have expected him to staff his office with non-partisans or people with more liberal pedigrees - instead he is putting rightwing fanatics in the positions of power.

Caveat emptor.

ctrl190

Stock, I was equally unconvinced by his "diverse" transition committee when he appointed two ex-PCs and lobbyists to head his office. 

Also, ex-Lastman worm Case Ootes is heading the transition team, who also headed Ford's transition team in 2010. 

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

John Tory is so conservative that his name is John Tory.

I see a continuation of Ford policies,in fact he will probably go further.

WTF is happening in Toronto?

terrytowel

mark_alfred wrote:

I wonder the same thing.  Used to be that there would be one progressive option against one conservative option.  This election, there were two progressive options that were splitting each other's votes, and the progressive option still lost behind BOTH of the conservative options.  What is happening in Toronto?

Olivia discouraged all the other progressive candidates from running, because she felt Tory & Ford would split the right-wing vote. Leaving the entire progressive/left plank to herself.

The problem was 25% of NDP voters supported Ford, while the other 50% went to Tory to stop Ford. Leaving Olivia with 25%.

Which will be the same case if Doug Ford becomes Ont PC leader. He will steal so many NDP votes, Horwath would be lucky to keep party status.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Dippers voting for Ford?

Somebody's on acid.

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

Olivia discouraged all the other progressive candidates from running, because she felt Tory & Ford would split the right-wing vote. Leaving the entire progressive/left plank to herself.

Actually, Olivia Chow was talking to people about running looong before Tory was even going to be a candidate - and as late as February it was unknown whether Tory would even run. Everyone has a right to run for mayor - someone else on the left could have also run...but when you look at who was on council from the progressive wing - no one would have been a serious candidate. 

mark_alfred

I wonder the same thing.  Used to be that there would be one progressive option against one conservative option.  This election, there were two conservative options that were splitting each other's votes, and the progressive option still lost behind BOTH of the conservative options.  What is happening in Toronto?

mark_alfred

It will be interesting to see how Tory proceeds.  He's promised both the Scarborough subway and the SmartTrack rails.  Both need environmental assessments and work to get underway.  The Scarborough subway, if construction even begins in this term, will disrupt traffic hugely just like the tunneling along Eglinton has.  There probably won't be any action on this initially.

I imagine one of his first actions will be similar to what one of Mayor Ford's first actions was:  to privatize waste collection.  Ford did this via reallocating workers in waste collection west of Yonge to other positions (since many were part-time and/or contract).  I'm not sure how exactly Tory'll do this on the east end, unless he resort to layoffs (which would be even more draconian than Ford).

Lord Palmerston

Stockholm wrote:
The big question is whether Tory will govern as a big tent centrist "de facto liberal" or if he will return to his lifelong conservative roots.

Does it really matter?  Isn't one of the NDP's "Ten Commandments" that the Liberals and Conservatives are EXACTLY THE SAME?

Stockholm

Note that I used a small "l" and a small "c"

Stockholm

I don't need to link to report on private conversations I've had with small "l" liberals who are very disturbed by the signals Tory is sending out by his staffing decisions. Since you terrytowel are a Liberal why don't you tell us how it makes you feel to see John Tory stack his office 100% with radidly rightwing CONSERVATIVES with backgrounds working for Harris, Hudak and FORD? Are you happy or sad to see this happen? is it what you expected or not? Are you disappointed or not?

Surely there was an expectation that Tory didn't just pretend to be a Liberals for the last three months but was actually going to govern like one...how does he do that with a office entirely composed with people who worked for Harris, Hudak and FORD?

Rokossovsky

Lord Palmerston wrote:

Stockholm wrote:
The big question is whether Tory will govern as a big tent centrist "de facto liberal" or if he will return to his lifelong conservative roots.

Does it really matter?  Isn't one of the NDP's "Ten Commandments" that the Liberals and Conservatives are EXACTLY THE SAME?

Of course not, Ford campaigned with his belly out, and Tory campaigned without a tie.

I see that Tory has the tie back in now that he has been elected. :)

 

Stockholm

So far all of our worst fears about Tory look likely to realized. The newspapers are reporting that he will KEEP the braindead Ford-lover Frances Nunziata as speaker of council and he is planning to move forward on privating more municipal services and 100% of the names being leaked as his picks to head the major committees are rightwing Ford Nation members.

I hate to say i told you so, but i told you so!

nicky

The papers report that he will chose  big-C and little-C conservative Denzel Minnan-Wong as deputy mayor. 

That must create a glow in your heart TerryT.

ctrl190

Yeesh, Minnan-Wong for Deputy Mayor? Frances Nunziata, Ford's BFF, back as Speaker? I knew Tory was a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I thought he would atleast attempt to seem conciliatory. 

Stockholm

Its all confirmed in the Star. Tory is packing his executive committee completely with rightwing conservatives most of whom had the same jobs under Rob Ford. Its way WORSE than anyone expected. He has shut out anyone from the centre or left from having any influence whatsoever.

The only remotely progressive councillor on Tory's team is Pam McConnell who has been given a powerless ceremonial role as one of four deputy mayors - just window dressing

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/11/30/mayorelect_john_tory_un...

To all those people who said we had to vote for John Tory to stop Ford all I can say is FUCK [email protected]!!!

Aristotleded24

Stockholm wrote:
Its all confirmed in the Star. Tory is packing his executive committee completely with rightwing conservatives most of whom had the same jobs under Rob Ford. Its way WORSE than anyone expected. He has shut out anyone from the centre or left from having any influence whatsoever.

The only remotely progressive councillor on Tory's team is Pam McConnell who has been given a powerless ceremonial role as one of four deputy mayors - just window dressing

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2014/11/30/mayorelect_john_tory_un...

To all those people who said we had to vote for John Tory to stop Ford all I can say is FUCK [email protected]!!!

I guess Toronto voters didn't really vote the Fords out of office after all?

nicky

I would be interested in TerryT's views on this. 

Perhaps he should revise his mantra to "if you want Ford Nation to stay in power you must vote Tory."

nicky

Here is a comment from a Liberal blgger expressing disappointment that Tory's appointments are so conservative.

http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2014/11/torontos-new-government.html

TerryT, your silence is deafening.

terrytowel

nicky wrote:

I would be interested in TerryT's views on this. 

Perhaps he should revise his mantra to "if you want Ford Nation to stay in power you must vote Tory."

TerryT, your silence is deafening.

What can I say? I'm disappointed so many of Ford former appointments are still in powers of positon.

But several Liberals are. Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Michelle Berardinetti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Ana Bailao, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Chin Lee, Paul Ainslie, Cesar Palacio and James Pasternak

The way the Executive committee and chairs work (even going back to David Miller) once you sign on, you have to support the mayor on all votes.

Can you imagine any NDPers voting along with Tory? Plus none of them endorsed Tory, rather they backed Chow. How it look now that they backed Chow, but now vote Tory's way on council.

In addition this is about bringing the city together. Tory won downtown, but he needs to reach out to the suburbs. Those on his executive represent those areas that didn't vote for Tory, but Ford.

By having councillors who represent Ford strongholds on his executive he is sending a message those areas are important and will be looked after.

OK I know you are going to take it as spin, let's hear your spin. I'm sure I'm going to get an earful Nicky. btw long silences means I'm offline, having lunch or working out at the gym.

Stockholm wrote:

To all those people who said we had to vote for John Tory to stop Ford all I can say is FUCK [email protected]!!!

well if you'd rather have Ford in the mayors chair fine. Toronto has spoekn and they didn't want Ford back. Period.

zerocarbs

Stockholm wrote:

Tory will KEEP the braindead Ford-lover Frances Nunziata as speaker of council...

To be fair, Tory did drop Nunziata from the Police Services Board. And the speaker does what - kind of a clerical position really. She seemed okay at that whenever I watched debates, although she does seem pretty useless otherwise. Her ward borders the one I live in and I swear the streets turn to shit when you cross the border - a pothole fiesta compared to the generally good condition in the ward run by the car-hostile Perks.

And Denzil... a legend in his own mind. But I can kind of see it. Tory has no experience on council, so appointing a strong deputy mayor with years of experience might have had the effect of making himself a lame-duck from day one. No danger of being outshone by Denzil.

No fan of Tory, and generally agree that he's likely to be worse than Ford, but on those two appointments I'm not that concerned.

terrytowel

Imagine how the suburbs would feel if Olivia got elected, and stacked her executive with councillors from the downtown. And the suburbs got completely shafted.

The NDP dominates the old city of Toronto. If Tory just put in NDP councillors on his executive, the suburbs would feel completely ignored.

Which is how we wound up with Ford in the first place. This suburban ailenation where Downtown gets all the perks and committee chairs.

The whole point is to make the suburbs feel included, not excluded.

He had to reach out to councillors from the suburbs (who did vote for Ford) to show that part of the city they are important.

The suburbs feel the cities have had enough attention. It is now their turn.

By making it ONE Toronto. If councillors representing the old city of Toronto has to take a backseat, so be it.

zerocarbs

terrytowel wrote:

By making it ONE Toronto. If councillors representing the old city of Toronto has to take a backseat, so be it.

So you think Mike Harris's forced amalgamation was a good thing? Seems more like an unmitigated disaster to me.

terrytowel

zerocarbs wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

By making it ONE Toronto. If councillors representing the old city of Toronto has to take a backseat, so be it.

So you think Mike Harris's forced amalgamation was a good thing? Seems more like an unmitigated disaster to me.

Amalgamation was NOT a good thing. But like it or not it what's done is done, and we all just have to move forward.

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Imagine how the suburbs would feel if Olivia got elected, and stacked her executive with councillors from the downtown. And the suburbs got completely shafted.

The NDP dominates the old city of Toronto. If Tory just put in NDP councillors on his executive, the suburbs would feel completely ignored.

Which is how we wound up with Ford in the first place. This suburban ailenation where Downtown gets all the perks and committee chairs.

The whole point is to make the suburbs feel included, not excluded.

He had to reach out to councillors from the suburbs (who did vote for Ford) to show that part of the city they are important.

The suburbs feel the cities have had enough attention. It is now their turn.

By making it ONE Toronto. If councillors representing the old city of Toronto has to take a backseat, so be it.

What a bunch of bullshit double-talk. For one thing Miller distributed power, even putting people like Giorgio Mammoliti, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Norm Kelly, Glenn De Baeremaeker on executive. And Lastman did his best to accomodate left-leaning councillors like Layton, Chow and Pantalone.

"Including" the burbs, does not mean excluding the inner core.

Both Ford, and Tory have followed the same formula.

I can see why you hold the opinions that you do. You have no clue.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Stockholm wrote:
 To all those people who said we had to vote for John Tory to stop Ford all I can say is FUCK [email protected]!!!

Yeah.

terrytowel wrote:
 But several Liberals are. Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Michelle Berardinetti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Ana Bailao, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Chin Lee, Paul Ainslie, Cesar Palacio and James Pasternak

I'm not sure what universe you're in to think that Berardinetti, Lee, Ainslie, Palacio (BARF!) and Pasternak are Liberals. Or liberals.

It's all of Ford's Gang of FuckHead Doofuses.

My only question, as I weep into my corn flakes about another FOUR GODDAMN MORE YEARS of this, is where is the Head Doofus, Mammoliti? Dare I risk being happy that he's been banished from any corridors of power and will just rot in Ward 7 where he belongs until he constituents wise up and boot him?

terrytowel

Rokossovsky wrote:

What a bunch of bullshit double-talk. For one thing Miller distributed power, even putting people like Giorgio Mammoliti, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Norm Kelly, Glenn De Baeremaeker on executive. And Lastman did his best to accomodate left-leaning councillors like Layton, Chow and Pantalone. 

"Including" the burbs, does not mean excluding the inner core.

We were talking about Olivia, not Miller.

Last time I checked Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Michelle Berardinetti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Ana Bailao, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Chin Lee and Paul Ainslie are all left leaning councillors

Sorry, but Downtown has to take a back seat to the suburbs to repair the ailenation they feel.

But of course you want the Downtown to make the decisions for the suburbs, which is how we wound up with Ford in the first place.

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote:

What a bunch of bullshit double-talk. For one thing Miller distributed power, even putting people like Giorgio Mammoliti, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Norm Kelly, Glenn De Baeremaeker on executive. And Lastman did his best to accomodate left-leaning councillors like Layton, Chow and Pantalone. 

"Including" the burbs, does not mean excluding the inner core.

We were talking about Olivia, not Miller.

Last time I checked Shelley Carroll, Josh Colle, Michelle Berardinetti, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Ana Bailao, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Chin Lee and Paul Ainslie are all left leaning councillors

Sorry, but Downtown has to take a back seat to the suburbs to repair the ailenation they feel.

But of course you want the Downtown to make the decisions for the suburbs, which is how we wound up with Ford in the first place.

Huh? So your presumtions about how Olivia might have governed justifies Tory using the Ford governance formula? We voted for Oilivia precisely because she would not have used an exclusionary formula -- that was the whole point!

Miller and Olivia come from the same "civic" tradition, for one thing, and it is certain that she would have distributed power, as opposed to locking out some of the most talented peopl on council for ideological reasons.

Gord Perks is easily one of the smartest people on council, even if he might come off as tad arrogant, and even on that score he far better than Vaughan.

Good news for you though, Tory is snug as a bug with Kathleen Wynne's Conservative government at Queens Park, so you should be happy about that -- I can see Toronto Hydro being sold off on this council.

terrytowel

Maysie wrote:

I'm not sure what universe you're in to think that Berardinetti, Lee, Ainslie, Palacio (BARF!) and Pasternak are Liberals. Or liberals.

Michelle Berardinetti, Liberal - Centre-Left (Husband is Liberal cabinet minister)

Paul Ainslie, Liberal - Centre-Left (Former assistant to Liberal MPP Annamarie Castrilli)

Cesar Palacio, Liberal - Left (Entered politics as volunteer to Liberal Charles Caccia, worked as EA to Liberal Betty Disero)

James Pasternak, Liberal - Centre-Left (Close affiliation with Liberal MPP Monte Kwinter)

Chin Lee unknown

terrytowel

Rokossovsky wrote:

Miller and Olivia come from the same "civic" tradition, for one thing, and it is certain that she would have distributed power, as opposed to locking out some of the most talented peopl on council for ideological reasons. 

And yet she threw Tam Goosen and Joe Cressy under the bus the first chance she got. All for her own political survival. So much for 'distributed' power

 

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Maysie wrote:

I'm not sure what universe you're in to think that Berardinetti, Lee, Ainslie, Palacio (BARF!) and Pasternak are Liberals. Or liberals.

Michelle Berardinetti, Liberal - Centre-Left (Husband is Liberal cabinet minister)

Paul Ainslie, Liberal - Centre-Left (Former assistant to Liberal MPP Annamarie Castrilli)

Cesar Palacio, Liberal - Left (Entered politics as volunteer to Liberal Charles Caccia, worked as EA to Liberal Betty Disero)

James Pasternak, Liberal - Centre-Left (Close affiliation with Liberal MPP Monte Kwinter)

Chin Lee unknown

My friend, it is highly doubful that the provincial Liberals are "liberals" -- we are talking about political world view, not lapel pins.

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

Michelle Berardinetti, Liberal - Centre-Left (Husband is Liberal cabinet minister)

Paul Ainslie, Liberal - Centre-Left (Former assistant to Liberal MPP Annamarie Castrilli)

Cesar Palacio, Liberal - Left (Entered politics as volunteer to Liberal Charles Caccia, worked as EA to Liberal Betty Disero)

James Pasternak, Liberal - Centre-Left (Close affiliation with Liberal MPP Monte Kwinter)

Chin Lee unknown

WHAT???? Palacio is ultra rightwing and voted with Ford 100% of the time. Berardinetti is also a 100% Ford toadie...Ainslie is the only one on that list that is even remotely "centrist"

Your hero Tory has made Denzil Minnan-Wong - a vicious homophobe and anti-abortion fanatic the most powerful man in Toronto - hope you enjoy that. I miss Ford already!

terrytowel

Rokossovsky wrote:

My friend, it is highly doubful that the provincial Liberals are "liberals" -- we are talking about political world view, not lapel pins.

The same would apply to the Federal Liberals, correct?

You guys just don't understand how the suburbs feel about Downtown getting EVERYTHING. While the suburbs feel left out in the cold.

Which is one reason why Olivia failed to resonate in the suburbs.

I always said if she had put her campaign office in the heart of Scarbrough, she would have been in a much better place.

But as it was in DT, that only added to the flames of discontent from the suburbs.

The suburbs want their turn, as they feel DT has had power for far too long. They feel it is their turn.

Which is reflective in the make-up of the executive.

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote:

Miller and Olivia come from the same "civic" tradition, for one thing, and it is certain that she would have distributed power, as opposed to locking out some of the most talented peopl on council for ideological reasons. 

And yet she threw Tam Goosen and Joe Cressy under the bus the first chance she got. All for her own political survival. So much for 'distributed' power

 

What new quackery is this? The whole problem with the Cressy nomination was that she did not throw him under the bus, quite the opposite. It's not even clear to me that you understand what the term "thrown under the bus" means, the deal with Tam Goossen was that Chow, also did not throw Helen Kennedy "under the bus" in favour of Tam Goosen.

 

Rokossovsky

I get it. Not only don't you understand what the term "thrown under the bus" means but you also don't know the difference between "inclusion", and "thumb screws".

Tory is not about "including" anyone, he is about selling City services to his friends in the corporate sector.

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

Shelley Carroll and Josh Colle skew liberal-lite. McMahon was a Ford buddy untilt hey had a falling out.

The logic that Berardinetti is a Liberal because she married one is not valid. What Palacio did 30+ years ago is also not valid proof of his leftiness. He's also a rat and a liar (I'm still angry about Alexjandra Bravo not winning, she would have been amazing).

I suggest that the best way to know which way someone leans is to check their voting records at City Hall. There are no unknowns. 

City Council Scorecard pdf. Warning, teensy print. Also that link seems to be from a Ford Nation nutbar. Sorry!

Rokossovsky

Chow said she was no longer involved with the NDP? Alien abduction stories coming up next.

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

WHAT???? Palacio is ultra rightwing and voted with Ford 100% of the time. Berardinetti is also a 100% Ford toadie...Ainslie is the only one on that list that is even remotely "centrist"

They identify as Liberals, and have had relationships with the Libs on both the Fed & Prov parties. That is how they see themselves.

Rokossovsky wrote:

What new quackery is this? The whole problem with the Cressy nomination was that she did not throw him under the bus, quite the opposite. It's not even clear to me that you understand what the term "thrown under the bus" means, the deal with Tam Goossen was that Chow, also did not throw Helen Kennedy "under the bus" in favour of Tam Goosen.

You are kidding right? Chow didn't lift one finger to help Cressy in the by-election. She refused to endorse him, campaign with him or even make appearances with him.

Chow even said a few times she is no longer involved with the NDP, all to win the mayor's race.

Cressy was more loyal to Chow. When he needed her support, she was nowhere to be found.

Rokossovsky wrote:

Tory is not about "including" anyone, he is about selling City services to his friends in the corporate sector.

 

I really don't want to rehash this over and over again.

If you guys think Doug or Rob Ford would have been better as mayor, fine.

But the last years the Fords were in office, nothing got done.

So if you guys wanted four more years of gridlock with nothing getting done at City Council, fine.

The Fords would have been better than Tory because NOTHING would have gotten done, and the city would have not moved forward.

Fine, The Fords would have been better as Mayor than Tory.

Rokossovsky

Lot's "got done" at city hall once Ford was out of the way. City still functioned, permits were issued, exceptions granted, taxes collected, budget's passed, even the ridiculous Scarborough subway "got done".

Wow. You really are clueless. What precisely is it that you wanted done, that did not get done in the last two years of administration?

The point of un-electing Ford was to get different things done.

terrytowel

Rokossovsky wrote:

Lot's "got done" at city hall once Ford was out of the way. City still functioned, permits were issued, exceptions granted, taxes collected, budget's passed, even the ridiculous Scarborough subway "got done".

Wow. You really are clueless. What precisely is it that you wanted done, that did not get done in the last two years of administration?

The point of un-electing Ford was to get different things done.

What do you want me to say so you can feel victorious.

Just write it down and I'll say it so we don't have to go tit for tat, okay?

Will that make you feel better?

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote:

Lot's "got done" at city hall once Ford was out of the way. City still functioned, permits were issued, exceptions granted, taxes collected, budget's passed, even the ridiculous Scarborough subway "got done".

Wow. You really are clueless. What precisely is it that you wanted done, that did not get done in the last two years of administration?

The point of un-electing Ford was to get different things done.

What do you want me to say so you can feel victorious.

Just write it down and I'll say it so we don't have to go tit for tat, okay?

Will that make you feel better?

I want you to say one meaningful thing that isn't some kind of spin.

zerocarbs

terrytowel wrote:

Amalgamation was NOT a good thing. But like it or not it what's done is done, and we all just have to move forward.

Interesting. Scotland recently attempted to de-amalgamate with England. Quebec separatists still want to separate. Aboriginals are continually asserting that they never ceded sovereignty, and are doing well in the courts. People get divorced all the time. So if amalgamation has been a complete disaster, why not reverse it? Some people thought an amalgamated Toronto would finally have significant weight at the negotiating table, but the internal battles have prevented that from happening.

Analogy time: we live in one half of a semi. Our attached neighbour loves an open-concept modern look; we hate that, and stick as much as possible to the century-old roots of the house. She likes a highly managed garden, we prefer a wilder native garden. We're cat-friendly, she hates them. She is very concerned about the external cosmetics of the house, but we are far more casual (as long as things are generally in good repair).

But you know what? We get on great. Our house is ours, and her house is hers. We share a wall. No biggie. If we were forced to reach a consensus on every little decision (as with the amalgamated Toronto), we'd be ready to kill each other. As is, we sometimes need to negotiate border issues (trees or whatnot), but it's never a problem.

Which is all just another way of saying Mike Harris was a despicable slug, and we're still paralyzed by his malevolence. But it's so long ago a lot of people don't know any different.

 

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

You guys just don't understand how the suburbs feel about Downtown getting EVERYTHING. While the suburbs feel left out in the cold.

For the last four years under Ford it has been downtown that has had NOTHING and Ford excluded anyone from downtown from his executive - along with all women. Under Tory its even worse.

The the mayor is supposed to appoint an executive with a MIX of people from different parts of the city and with a range of ideologies. Tory picked dreadful people even among suburban councillors - he could have put progressive Liberal John Filion from Willowdale (who was an early Tory backer) on the executive but NOOOO instead he freezes out Filion and gives a powerful role to bfrain dead rightwing conservative hack David Shiner - also from Willowdale. Maria Augimeri is a long time expereinced veteran from York Centre who has been interim chair of the TTC and who happens to be an NDPer - but nooooo intsead Tory picks Vince Crisanti - a Ford acolyte with the brains of a retarded tsetse fly. He could have given a big job to Shelley Carroll from Don valley East who is a progressive Liberal with lots of experience but NOOOO instead he picks Minnan-Wong also from Don valley East who happens to hate gays and lesbians and to be an anti-abortion freak

Face it - John Tory is actually WORSE than Rob Ford. and its just day 1

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

WHAT???? Palacio is ultra rightwing and voted with Ford 100% of the time. Berardinetti is also a 100% Ford toadie...Ainslie is the only one on that list that is even remotely "centrist"

They identify as Liberals, and have had relationships with the Libs on both the Fed & Prov parties. That is how they see themselves.

That just tells you how rightwing the Liberal party is to have dorks like palacio in their tent. Vicious homophobes like Roseanna Skoke and Tom Wappel and Jim Karygiannis also "identify as Liberals" does that make the hate that they spew any less offensive?

Rokossovsky

Stockholm wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

You guys just don't understand how the suburbs feel about Downtown getting EVERYTHING. While the suburbs feel left out in the cold.

For the last four years under Ford it has been downtown that has had NOTHING and Ford excluded anyone from downtown from his executive - along with all women. Under Tory its even worse.

The the mayor is supposed to appoint an executive with a MIX of people from different parts of the city and with a range of ideologies. Tory picked dreadful people even among suburban councillors - he could have put progressive Liberal John Filion from Willowdale (who was an early Tory backer) on the executive but NOOOO instead he freezes out Filion and gives a powerful role to bfrain dead rightwing conservative hack David Shiner - also from Willowdale. Maria Augimeri is a long time expereinced veteran from York Centre who has been interim chair of the TTC and who happens to be an NDPer - but nooooo intsead Tory picks Vince Crisanti - a Ford acolyte with the brains of a retarded tsetse fly. He could have given a big job to Shelley Carroll from Don valley East who is a progressive Liberal with lots of experience but NOOOO instead he picks Minnan-Wong also from Don valley East who happens to hate gays and lesbians and to be an anti-abortion freak

Face it - John Tory is actually WORSE than Rob Ford. and its just day 1

To be completely accurate, Ford actually had about the same number of women on his first executive, he just drove them off, so there really isn't any big change there, either.

terrytowel

Rokossovsky wrote:

I want you to say one meaningful thing that isn't some kind of spin.

OK, Dippers have no one to blame but Olivia Chow herself.

She had a double digit lead and blew it.

That is the most truthful thing that isn't spin.

So Rokossovsky and Stockholm you can go on and on about how right wing Tory is, how his policies will be regressive and how he stacked his committees with right wingers.

But at the end of the day we wound up with Tory because Olivia could not communicate her vision to the city of Toronto.

She didn't even come second, she came third.

If you are looking for someone to blame for winding up with Tory as mayor, start at the top with Olivia.

I think that is very meaningful and truthful.

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

That just tells you how rightwing the Liberal party is to have dorks like palacio in their tent. Vicious homophobes like Roseanna Skoke and Tom Wappel and Jim Karygiannis also "identify as Liberals" does that make the hate that they spew any less offensive?

Then why was Olivia courting Liberals like Warren Kinsella and George Smithermann on her team? Why did she say Kathleen Wynne 'endorsed' one of her ideas?

Shouldn't she as a progressive stay clear away from Liberals as they are right wingers?

Rokossovsky

terrytowel wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote:

I want you to say one meaningful thing that isn't some kind of spin.

OK, Dippers have no one to blame but Olivia Chow herself.

She had a double digit lead and blew it.

That is the most truthful thing that isn't spin.

So Rokossovsky and Stockholm you can go on and on about how right wing Tory is, how his policies will be regressive and how he stacked his committees with right wingers.

But at the end of the day we wound up with Tory because Olivia could not communicate her vision to the city of Toronto.

She didn't even come second, she came third.

If you are looking for someone to blame for winding up with Tory as mayor, start at the top with Olivia.

I think that is very meaningful and truthful.

No that isn't meaningful. I am looking for something in your words that indicates that you aspire to some kind of political ideal or principle.

Summer

I'm a downtowner who voted for Tory and I'm disappointed in his picks.  I'm particularly disappointed in the choice of Minnan-Wong for deputy mayor.   I think that Tory loves downtown Toronto and Waterfront TO and Civic Action and all that jazz so I'm surprised he would put such a small-minded penny-pincher in charge.  Initially, I was feeling a bit better after reading Terrytowel's take.  Ensuring the suburbs feel that they are represented is important and could possibly justify some of the picks.  But on reflection, I don't think that's why he did it.  He could have pleased the suburbs while still having some balance on the executive.   His picks are evidence that he has decided to run a pretty conservative ship. 

Nonetheless, I don't regret voting for Tory (yet).  Does anyone really think Chow would have made an effort to reach out the conservative councillors?  4 years of Chow would begat 4 years of Ford (or Ford-similar).   The issues that concern me are increasing transit and reducing gridlock and the ability to negotiate successfully with the provincial and federal government to protect our city's interests.  I have no faith in Chow to make headway with any of this.  Things only got worse under Ford. Tory has already started working on it. (e.g. re gridlock: He has asked that the Pan Am planners revist their boneheaded plan to close lanes of traffic to the public before the Pan Am games even begin.  I think he will get results on this.  Ford wouldn't have been able to.)  I'm also hopeful that he'll do something the reduce the ridiculous police budget. 

 

zerocarbs

Oh great (and with apolgies to summer), yet another thread has devolved into a pointless pissing contest. In this case between Roko and Terry. Real-world consequences: zero. I need to get a life...

Stockholm

Summer wrote:

Does anyone really think Chow would have made an effort to reach out the conservative councillors?  4 years of Chow would begat 4 years of Ford (or Ford-similar).  

Yes, that is exactly what she would have done and that was her plan. in fact she probably would have given someone like David Soknacki a major appointment and there are other right of centre councillors she has a god relationship with. Keep in mind that David Miller was re-elected in a landslide in 2006 and only became unpopular leading into the 2010 election because CUPE decided to go on their idiotic garbage strike. Had there been no strike in the summer of 2009 Miller would have still had 65% approval ratings and would have virtually been accliamed if he had decided to run again in 2010.

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