ONT NDP Leader Andrea Horwath will become Premier of Ontario 2

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NDP lost confidence in minority government

By The Canadian Press — CP — May 2 2014

Share on twitterShare on google_plusone_shareShare on emailOntario NDP leader Andrea Horwath is pictured in the Ontario Legislature on April 8, 2014. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Frank Gunn

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath says she has lost confidence in Premier Kathleen Wynne and the province's minority Liberal government, setting the stage for a June election.

Horwath says the Liberals haven't kept the promises they made to the NDP in last year's budget, so she can't trust them to keep the 70 new promises made in Thursday's budget.

She calls the budget a "mad dash" to escape scandals surrounding the cancellation of gas plants and the Ornge air ambulance service by promising voters "the stars and the moon."

 

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/05/02/ndp-to-vote-against-ont-budg...

josh

terrytowel wrote:

We are going to the polls! Andrea just annnounced she wants an election

"I have lost confidence in Kathleen Wynne and her ability to deliver," Horwath said Friday.  "I cannot in good conscience support a government that people don’t trust anymore."

"This budget is not a solid plan for the future. It's a mad dash to escape the scandals. It's time for change. We do not support this government any longer."

A terrible decision.  I guess she plans to continue  to move to run to the right of the Liberals.

NorthReport

Oh, boo! hoo!

Like the federales, the Ontario Liberals don't walk the talk.

Liberal promises aren't woth the paper they are written on.

Terrible for a couple of political parties I agree.

But looking good for another one. Laughing

terrytowel

NorthReport wrote:

Like the federales, the Ontario Liberals don't walk the talk.

Terrible for  a couple of political parties I agree.

But looking good for another one. Laughing

North Report Gerry Caplan said on Power & Politics last night it makes no sense for the NDP to go into this election at 20% in the polls. And he can't understand Andrea's logic. So could you maybe explain what Andrea is thinking?

josh

"North Report Gerry Caplan said on Power & Politics last night it makes no sense for the NDP to go into this election at 20% in the polls. And he can't understand Andrea's logic. So could you maybe explain what Andrea is thinking?"

She must be listening to Warren Kinsella, and following him down the rabbit hole.

NorthReport

Actually there are some real advantages for the NDP having a three way race.

Canadians are more and more cluing in to the fact there are 2 right-wing parties, one that tells  the truth about being right-wing, and one that lies about it.

What's also great is that their right-wing lackeys in the press are bashing each other so much, they are just canceling each other out.  Laughing

 

Andrea is one smart and politically-sharp person. Each time I see her at one of her presers I am nore and more impressed with her abilities.

NorthReport

Actually Josh if you weren't so lazy, and had taken a look at Kinsella's website today, you would realize that Kinsella did not think the NDP would do what Andrea just announced, so please go back to sleep.

And when you wake up please carry on with your nonsense.

josh wrote:

"North Report 

She must be listening to Warren Kinsella, and following him down the rabbit hole.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Actually Josh if you weren't so lazy, and had taken a look at Kinsella's website today, you would realize that Kinsella did not think the NDP would do what Andrea just announced, so please go back to sleep.

I guess the difference between predicting whether something will  happen and wanting something to happen escapes you.

 

 

NorthReport

There you have it folks. 

Horwath says Ontarians have lost confidence in Liberals and deserve government that makes sense

Andrea Horwath, Leader of Ontario's New Democrats, says she has lost confidence in the Liberal government amid mounting scandal and waste and that it's time for change.

"The Liberal budget is a mad dash to escape scandal by promising the moon and the stars," said Horwath.

"It is time for a government that stands up for middle class families. It is time for a government that respects people's tax dollars. It is time for a government that makes sense," she said.

The Liberals this week introduced a budget containing more than 70 new promises in a desperate bid to keep their sinking government afloat in the midst of a criminal investigation into the gas plants scandal and cover up.

"This government has no plan to get the basics right, like creating jobs, lowering hydro rates, and making life more affordable," said Horwath.

The last-ditch budget comes after the Liberals failed to deliver results on a series of promises made in the previous year's budget, including reducing auto insurance rates, cutting home care wait times, and setting up a Financial Accountability Office. 

"The same government that couldn't fulfill three promises over the last year is making more than 70 new promises this year. How can Kathleen Wynne build a ship, when she hasn't managed to build a raft?" said Horwath.

The Liberal budget contains a new round of no-strings attached giveaways for corporations, and includes no plan to get sky-rocketing hydro rates under control or create jobs by rewarding job creators. 

"For the last year Ontarians have been telling me they want to see results on jobs, hydro bills, affordability and accountability, and the Liberals haven't delivered. It's time for a change. It's time for a government that makes sense," said Horwath.

"Ontarians deserve action, not just aspirations. Families deserve a government that will respect people's tax dollars, make life more affordable, create jobs, and stand up for the middle class. People deserve a government that makes sense."

 


http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1348771/horwath-says-ontarians-have-lost...

NorthReport

This coming Ontario election is kinda like the David and Golaith story.

It pits the two big powerful Liberal and Conservative right-wing parties, wanting to crush the tiny "but representing the people" NDP party. Looking forward to see how this story unfolds.

Andrea Horwath

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Horwath

 

mark_alfred

Good press conference.  "Instead of fixing the mess in our electricity system, the Liberals want to drive hydro rates even higher with a firesale of our assets in a rerun of the failed privatisation of Ontario Hydro by the Conservatives.  You don't heat the house by burning the furniture."

jerrym

In my opinion, Andrea made the right decision politically (I''ll leave the policy issues aside for the moment). This does not mean she will win or even that they will automatically retain or even increase her 22 to 27% in the polls. However, if she did support the Liberals there was a growing danger that both within the party and outside that the perception would be the NDP is the left wing of the Liberal party and it would also be accused of trying to prolong their careers and salaries (something Hudak is already doing that would only have become louder with passing time). It is also possible that some of the alleged drop in NDP popularity since March arises from some voters feeling the NDP were not willing to defeat the Liberals in spite of the growing scandals, their poor economic performance and their Con-lite policies. 

If the Liberals were successful (which I doubt because they will implement as little of the NDP-like policies as possible and because of scandals simmering away on the backburner suddenly bursting into flames) in an extended term thanks to the NDP support and adoption of NDP policies, the general public would credit and vote for the Liberals. If the Liberals collapsed, the Hudak PCs would claim the NDP were the enablers of the relatively long term of a Liberal minority government that failed.

Remember that Layton pulled the plug on the 2011 Con government by voting in favour of a contempt of Parliament motion when the NDP were around 14% in the polls and many of the punditry proclaiming there was every chance they could lose some of its MPs. It is even possible that that could have happened if the campaign had went another way. However, I doubt the NDP would have been able to be seen as a plausible alternative to very prolonged scandal-plagued Con government for many voters if they had supported the Cons for much longer.

Pierre C yr

Horrible decision. Another year of Hudak in the news would have screwed his party. Now he has a real chance of winning. Not supporting a budget that creates this essential program of doubling CPP is a terribly bad decision. ONDP has never been in first place in the last year in polls she has little chance of winning. 

 

She should have laid out conditions for support of the budget. Not just reject it ad hoc. While its likely either the libs or tories will get a minority gov. I dont see as progressive budget come out in the next ten years if the NDP doesnt make significant gains.

Pierre C yr

jerrym wrote:

In my opinion, Andrea made the right decision politically (I''ll leave the policy issues aside for the moment). This does not mean she will win or even that they will automatically retain or even increase her 22 to 27% in the polls. However, if she did support the Liberals there was a growing danger that both within the party and outside that the perception would be the NDP is the left wing of the Liberal party and it would also be accused of trying to prolong their careers and salaries (something Hudak is already doing that would only have become louder with passing time). It is also possible that some of the alleged drop in NDP popularity since March arises from some voters feeling the NDP were not willing to defeat the Liberals in spite of the growing scandals, their poor economic performance and their Con-lite policies. 

If the Liberals were successful (which I doubt because they will implement as little of the NDP-like policies as possible and because of scandals simmering away on the backburner suddenly bursting into flames) in an extended term thanks to the NDP support and adoption of NDP policies, the general public would credit and vote for the Liberals. If the Liberals collapsed, the Hudak PCs would claim the NDP were the enablers of the relatively long term of a Liberal minority government that failed.

Remember that Layton pulled the plug on the 2011 Con government by voting in favour of a contempt of Parliament motion when the NDP were around 14% in the polls and many of the punditry proclaiming there was every chance they could lose some of its MPs. It is even possible that that could have happened if the campaign had went another way. However, I doubt the NDP would have been able to be seen as a plausible alternative to very prolonged scandal-plagued Con government for many voters if they had supported the Cons for much longer.

 

It maybe politically advantageous but in terms of policy for average canadians its disastrous. We keep scuttling progressive budgets, that only minority govs can be made to do, when we could simply vote out minority govs during other votes of confidence a few months later. Im not see what advantage the 10 years of tory rule when we scuttled a budget that would have finally brought us national childcare.

 

Now we are scuttling the desperately needed and late in coming CPP enhancement. WTH do we stand for anymore?

jerrym

A one year extension of the Liberal government by NDP support would mean most, if not all, of these progressive policies would be barely implemented or only promised for future implementation (see pension), and would be easily wiped off the books by a Hudak government, which would likely have a greater chance of being elected as governments that are perceived as tired and scandal-ridden, as well as parties that enable their continuation in power, usually get punished even harder for staying way too long. 

Rokossovsky

mark_alfred wrote:

Good press conference.  "Instead of fixing the mess in our electricity system, the Liberals want to drive hydro rates even higher with a firesale of our assets in a rerun of the failed privatisation of Ontario Hydro by the Conservatives.  You don't heat the house by burning the furniture."

I think Andrea is playing this well. She has guts to pull the plug like this, and it was very canny to let the press have a sleepless night. Yesterday, she would have been sharing the stage with Wynne, today she gets the final word, all on her own.

 

Rokossovsky

josh wrote:

She must be listening to Warren Kinsella, and following him down the rabbit hole.

Speaking of rabbit holes, the full quote was:

terrytowel wrote:
Gerry Caplan was on Power & Politics tonight and he criticized Andrea saying he doesn't understand her and hasn't for quite a while. The Liberal budget is a budget Andrea herself would have created if she was Premier says Caplan.

He also went on to say he can't understand her logic, wanting to trigger an election when they are at around 20% in the polls. And that she hasn't taken a stand on any of the important issues.

Yeah. That was a pretty good call on Caplan's part, given that no position had been taken by the NDP on the budget last night. Do you think he got a copy of his talking points before Andrea pulled the plug on the government?

Oh, and I have a bridge to sell you in Florida, if you think that is an accurate reflection of what Caplan actually said. Oh, but wait, you actually think that the NDP is "running to the right" of the Liberals by being opposed to taxes on lower and middle income people, proposing "the same" minimum wage deal, opposing privatization of Ontario Hydro and by proposing taxes on capital, so it looks like you have a few title deeds out on swampland already.

Pierre C yr

jerrym wrote:

A one year extension of the Liberal government by NDP support would mean most, if not all, of these progressive policies would be barely implemented or only promised for future implementation (see pension), and would be easily wiped off the books by a Hudak government, which would likely have a greater chance of being elected as governments that are perceived as tired and scandal-ridden, as well as parties that enable their continuation in power, usually get punished even harder for staying way too long. 

 

It depends how they are implemented. ONDP can make it a condition of support that implemetation be quicker. You dont see anyone talking about how a tory gov will gut past budget improvements of just a year or 2 ago. 

Rokossovsky

Tim Hudak! Boo!

jerrym

Pierre C yr wrote:

jerrym wrote:

A one year extension of the Liberal government by NDP support would mean most, if not all, of these progressive policies would be barely implemented or only promised for future implementation (see pension), and would be easily wiped off the books by a Hudak government, which would likely have a greater chance of being elected as governments that are perceived as tired and scandal-ridden, as well as parties that enable their continuation in power, usually get punished even harder for staying way too long. 

 

It depends how they are implemented. ONDP can make it a condition of support that implemetation be quicker. You dont see anyone talking about how a tory gov will gut past budget improvements of just a year or 2 ago. 

How about the Harris Common Sense Revolutionary government or the many Republican state governments (which Hudak is increasingly sounding like) who have overthrown legislation in some cases decades old. 

 

 

NorthReport

Liberals pay attention:

This coming election is going to be between the Cons and the NDP.

You don't want Hudak elected, you know who to vote for. 

t's as simple as that. 

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Rokossovsky

I don't see why anyone thinks that the results of an election in a year, are going to be substantively different than they will be this year. Why bother waiting?

josh

jerrym wrote:

[How about the Harris Common Sense Revolutionary government or the many Republican state governments (which Hudak is increasingly sounding like) who have overthrown legislation in some cases decades old. 

 

 

Yeah, the Hudak government will have its eyes on repealing legislation going back at least half a century.  The last couple of years is a mere pittance.

josh

Rokossovsky wrote:

I don't see why anyone thinks that the results of an election in a year, are going to be substantively different than they will be this year. Why bother waiting?

Yeah, because what does policy matter.

Pierre C yr

 

jerrym wrote:

A one year extension of the Liberal government by NDP support would mean most, if not all, of these progressive policies would be barely implemented or only promised for future implementation (see pension), and would be easily wiped off the books by a Hudak government, which would likely have a greater chance of being elected as governments that are perceived as tired and scandal-ridden, as well as parties that enable their continuation in power, usually get punished even harder for staying way too long. 

 

 

 

 

How about the Harris Common Sense Revolutionary government or the many Republican state governments (which Hudak is increasingly sounding like) who have overthrown legislation in some cases decades old. 

 

 

It depends on the legislation. Universal programs that benefit most everyone even right wing parties dont tend to touch. You didnt see harris remove medicare. Republicans in the US have never been able to privatize social security. Or ban unions outright.