Ontario election 2014 political ads

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Rokossovsky

Not a fan of negative campaign ads. Though, one thing the ad does do is establish that the NDP is running for first place. I liked the PC ad the best. Wynne ad is annoying.

The ONDP needs to put a new one up before the end of the campaign, and switch their tone to a positive.

NorthReport

One ad I will always remember as quite effective was Layton's NDP giving the Martin Liberals the boot.  


Rokossovsky

I have a question, if Horwath talking about "saving money" makes her Rob Ford, does Hudak's "Hope and change" messaging make him Obama?

Brachina

Rokossovsky wrote:

I have a question, if Horwath talking about "saving money" makes her Rob Ford, does Hudak's "Hope and change" messaging make him Obama?

 

 Only if Hudak promises to increase Ontario drone strikes.

 

 Seriously Hudak is horrifying, but he's not a war criminal and murder like Obama.

NorthReport

Andrea continues to surprise - this is brilliant.

Working people read the Sun.

Andrea is on track here, and is the only one that can stop Hudak.

NDP 'Sun wrap' ad targets conservative voters

On Wednesday — the first day paid Ontario election campaign advertising was allowed after a two-week ban — the NDP turned heads by running a full-page ad that wrapped around the front and back cover of the Toronto Sun, a tabloid newspaper.

Designed to resemble a typical Sun front page, the ad features head shots of PC Leader Tim Hudak and Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne. Beneath their photos is a Sun-style headline that blares: "Nonsense."

A line at the top of the front page refers Sun readers to the back to see "who is making sense in this election." There readers find a full-page ad draped in NDP orange that resembles a party campaign flyer.

"Andrea Horwath makes sense," says the line above a photo of the party's smiling leader. Statements on the page tout NDP moves to cut small business taxes and reduce both auto insurance rates and public-sector CEO salaries.

 

 

 

JKR

NorthReport wrote:
Andrea is on track here, and is the only one that can stop Hudak.

With all the current opinion polls putting the Liberals ahead of a 3rd place NDP?

NR, do you believe your spin?

DLivings

JKR... your memory is short.  In the last 3 years the number of upsets and surprises not picked up by pollsters at all, or only at the last minute, outnumber the good predictions.  Maybe the fact that these are paid for polls has something to do with that.

Re the SUN wrap-around ad...   outside the box... brilliant.  It's not enough to be pious about how one will govern, you actually have to have a game on the ground that wins.  Then you can accomplish something.  And for all those that want it to happen overnight, it was more than 15 years before Tommy Douglas' CCF government brought in medicare.  And then was roundly thrown out of office at the next election..  but we still have medicare.

Rokossovsky

Dave Barret and ICBC too.

Rokossovsky

The NDP strategy of trying to strip traditional NDP working class votes that have gone over to the Tories on straightforward pocket book issues, such as downloading of government costs through HST and fees in a depressed economy, is the only way to break "strategic voting" electoral deadlock.

Its bold. It might work. If they surge at all, red Tories will be moving over to the Liberals pretty fast.

Rokossovsky

The strategy makes sense.

Brachina

When I was in high school my  political science teacher pointed out the traditional conservatisim and socialism weren't actually on the opposite sides of the political specutrum, lazi faire liberalism or as some call it neoliberalism, which is a far more accurate term then neoconsevitivism, as its focused on economic individualism at the expense of society.

 

 Where as traditional conservativism is focused on society over the individual as is socialism, but in different ways. The socialist focuses on societies oblagations to the poor and the underclasses/underpriveldged. Traditional Tories focus on more tradition as the back bone of society, but both place a premium on the welfare of society over the individual. (Forgive me if I mangled that its been years since high school).

 

 I think this validates Adreas tactics, its about trying to find enough common ground between Socialists/Social Democracts and red tories, without completely alienating the reform liberal NDP/Liberal swing voters, and leaving the Liberal and Tories fighting over the neo-liberal voters and the more extreme socons.

Brachina

When I was in high school my  political science teacher pointed out the traditional conservatisim and socialism weren't actually on the opposite sides of the political specutrum, lazi faire liberalism or as some call it neoliberalism, which is a far more accurate term then neoconsevitivism, as its focused on economic individualism at the expense of society.

 

 Where as traditional conservativism is focused on society over the individual as is socialism, but in different ways. The socialist focuses on societies oblagations to the poor and the underclasses/underpriveldged. Traditional Tories focus on more tradition as the back bone of society, but both place a premium on the welfare of society over the individual. (Forgive me if I mangled that its been years since high school).

 

 I think this validates Adreas tactics, its about trying to find enough common ground between Socialists/Social Democracts and red tories, without completely alienating the reform liberal NDP/Liberal swing voters, and leaving the Liberal and Tories fighting over the neo-liberal voters and the more extreme socons.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Brachina wrote:

 I think this validates Adreas tactics, its about trying to find enough common ground between Socialists/Social Democracts and red tories, without completely alienating the reform liberal NDP/Liberal swing voters, and leaving the Liberal and Tories fighting over the neo-liberal voters and the more extreme socons.

While your high school reminiscence is mildly interesting, it does nothing to validate the ONDP campaign. The only thing that can or would validate the Horwath campaign is an increase in votes. This is clearly a purely pragmatic campaign, with no objective other than gaining votes. If it fails to do that, it fails utterly.

Wilf Day

Michael Moriarity wrote:
The only thing that can or would validate the Horwath campaign is an increase in votes. This is clearly a purely pragmatic campaign, with no objective other than gaining votes. If it fails to do that, it fails utterly.

You don't sound like a Hamilton Steelworker.

Labour has been running Hamilton, much of the time, since 1921, in a scappy, majoritarian, populist, pragmatic style; in it to win it. That's what the party expected when we nominated Andrea. That's what we're getting.

NorthReport

JKR

Do you actually believe what all politicians say?

Probably not, correct?

Why then would you believe pollsters who more often than not it seems, are joined at the hip with political parties, and the mainstream press that support them?

Anyway here is something that might give you a chuckle tonite.

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JKR wrote:

NorthReport wrote:
Andrea is on track here, and is the only one that can stop Hudak.

With all the current opinion polls putting the Liberals ahead of a 3rd place NDP?

NR, do you believe your spin?

NorthReport

Link

 

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Wilf Day wrote:

You don't sound like a Hamilton Steelworker.

Labour has been running Hamilton, much of the time, since 1921, in a scappy, majoritarian, populist, pragmatic style; in it to win it. That's what the party expected when we nominated Andrea. That's what we're getting.

Well, I haven't worked in a steel mill since I was in University, but I have always been a strong supporter of unions. I'm a member of Andrea's riding association, and I am supporting her in this election. Still, I am enough of an idealist to be disappointed with the lack of apparent principle in the campaign. That's all I meant to say.

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