Killings at Québec City mosque

The CBC had some interesting material today about the rise of the extreme right in the thirties We are going to have to be vigilant to ensure it does not happen again

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-30/quebec-city-police-sa...

I stand fully with what alan said there.

http://cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-far-right-la-meute-1.3876225

I got this from twitter from a friend, not sure how accurate it is.

The two suspects are Bashir al-Tweed and Hassan Matti both recently from Syria.

Is this a case of Sunni Islam and Shia Islam attacking each other?

Do we have any evidence that this was terrorism?

Thank you. And sorry for getting upset. I agree with you very much about Québécois and Canadian exceptionalism. I don't subscribe to Nationalism.

This is just awful.  

http://globalnews.ca/news/3213677/quebec-city-mosque-shooting-alleged-gu...

Alleged gunmen identified as Alexandre Bissonette and Mohammed Khadir

And now only one of them is considered by police as a suspect, the other one is apparantly just a witness.

I'd copy and paste a link but I can't do that from this computer for some reason.

The Montreal Gazette website where I found the story didn't say which one is the suspect and which one is the witness.

I will refrain from further comments until more information gets released.  Speculation is pretty much pointless at this point.

My heartfelt condolences to the victims, their friends and families.  Seems to have been an excellent response from the local police for the most part.

Bissonette is the suspect

So were did the stories of two masked gunmen come from?  

Surprise,surprise. A right wing twit. It's funny that he was angry about the death of the soldier from Val-Cartier. The person who killed him wasn't even a muslim but a confused white Québecois de souche. And big surprise,he is a fan of Martine Le Pen.

I think Canada should refuse entrance to people like Le Pen who just incite hatred and violence. She was recently in Canada,meanwhile George Galloway is banned. Brilliant.

Time for this country to ban far right nationalist nutjobs from entering this country. Period.

ETA; The CPC should shun Kellie Leitch who is Canada's Le Pen. If they don't,their words today is just a bunch of crap blown out their asses.

Thnks & congratulations to both of you on closing this civilly. Disproves the notion that no one will ever aplogise - maybe they will if it's requested in a friendly way rather than demanded?

I was myself on the point  of criticising the "France or Belgium" comment.

In wake of Quebec mosque attack, Canadian conservatives must take long, hard look at their Islamophobic rhetoric

It is the demagogues of our time who may be particularly to blame.  MP Kellie Leitch is one apt example that comes to mind.  In 2015, Leitch was the front-woman for the Harper government's "barbaric practices tip line," which falsely but implicitly suggested that Canadian Muslims maintain practices which are already illegal under Canadian law, like forced marriages and honour killings.  Now as a Conservative leadership candidate, Leitch has upped the ante in her anti-Muslim rhetoric by calling for the screening of "immigrants, refugees, and visitors" for "anti-Canadian values."

Leitch was part of a Harper government which stoked anti-Muslim sentiment for years.  For example, Harper consistently played off the danger of extremist Islamic terror, stating in 2011 that "Islamicism" was the biggest threat facing Canada.  As one critic put it at the time, "Harper never loses a chance to invoke the spectre of Islamist terrorism."

One high visibility manifestation of Harper's anti-Muslim bias was his decision to block Muslim refugees from receiving asylum in Canada.  Another was his attempt to prevent Muslim women from wearing the niqab during citizenship ceremonies – a case which he lost, but which dragged publicly through the courts for months.  After seeing Harper repeatedly lose this case in the courts, one commentator authored a piece, "Call the niqab issue what it is -- a shameless play for the bigot vote."

 

I did not come to babble until a few minutes ago today. I was on social media trying to respond to as many fake news posts as possible.

As it turns out I have a connection through other people to one of the victims a professor researcher. I work with scientist / researchers.

I also know diverse families including some who had very difficult conversations this weekend. How do you explain this to children who see people like them being killed in their country.

Very sad.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quic...

But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed el Khadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.

The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).

What an absolute cowardly and henious thing to do.

As a rule I now generally wait 3 or 4 days after something like this happens to start really reading about it in order to avoid the fake news, propaganda and false-facts. Or at least wait  till they subside.

I think that's a good personal policy.

I like to wait until Paul Craig Roberts has weighed in.  If I didn't personally witness it then it probably didn't even happen, and I can focus my concerns on hypothesising who would have the greatest interest in perpetrating a false flag.

Do you check yourself in the mirror every day?

:)

I don't think that Vancouver Sun forecast is very popular with the Trump crowd

The word oriental is Eurocentric. It defines a place as being to the East of another place. That is why we use the word Asian.