The vaccine is here. Now what?

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NDPP

Canada's Challenges with Vaccination Rollout

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1839450179640/

"The provinces are behind targets of COVID-19 vaccine into Canadian arms...'Each province acts like a separate country.'

 

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
Canada's Challenges with Vaccination Rollout

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1839450179640/

"The provinces are behind targets of COVID-19 vaccine into Canadian arms...'Each province acts like a separate country.'

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

JKR

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

These conspiracy theories are getting tiresome.

Aristotleded24

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

These conspiracy theories are getting tiresome.

Because the drug companies that make the vaccines would never try and capitalize on a public health crisis for profit?

JKR

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Because the drug companies that make the vaccines would never try and capitalize on a public health crisis for profit?

What is wrong with how drug companies from around the world have developed COVID-19 vaccines?

Aristotleded24

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Because the drug companies that make the vaccines would never try and capitalize on a public health crisis for profit?

What is wrong with how drug companies from around the world have developed COVID-19 vaccines?

They have done so in part at taxpayer expense, they have every incentive to rush the vaccine regardless of efficacy or safety, and they will profit enormously from the distribution. Something this big and this important should be done by governments in the public interests, not so a handful of drug companies can make massive profits.

Pondering

It should be publicly funded but it is not in the best interests of manufacturers to put out a product that fails or actively harms people. They had to meet all the same requirements. Just the red tape was pushed out of the way or dramatically speeded up. 

Aristotleded24

This is not good:

Quote:

The reports may indicate that common side effects from mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have led to deaths in some frail patients” says Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

The agency reports:  

“As of 14 January, 23 reports of deaths have been reported to the adverse reaction register. The figures in the report itself include the thirteen reports that have been assessed by the Norwegian Medicines Agency and the National Institute of Public Health. The other messages are being processed.”

MegB

Pondering wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:
If they want the vaccine that is up to them. I'm guessing they want a number of other things (like decent, affordable housing) that will end up falling by the wayside and not happening once the  pandemic ends and we go "back to normal."

Yes, that is what I said. We should advocate for what they want not what we think they should have. 

Here here. 

MegB

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

These conspiracy theories are getting tiresome.

I agree. There is no factual basis in supporting the idea that the virus will burn out in a matter of months. None whatsoever. There is however an abundance of evidence that people will die unnecessarily if the vaccine isn't delivered to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. 

I am not going to go on tolerating claims that cannot be substantiated on this issue. Aristotleded24, your views are well known. Others do not share them for clearly stated reasons. Enough is enough. 

NDPP

Canada will see a 'temporary' delay in supply of Pfizer vaccine shipments

https://twitter.com/i/events/1350100114535141377

"Pfizer will temporarily reduce deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to Canada, Public Services and Procurement Minister Anita Anand told reporters on Friday..."

earthquakefish

MegB wrote:
I see someone responding in feeling, very fairly in light of what is going on. 

I would suggest the one who said, 'these conspirarcy theories are getting tiresome' was misdirected, bordering slander.  But that's a take from someone not involved in this community.

 

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

These conspiracy theories are getting tiresome.

I agree. There is no factual basis in supporting the idea that the virus will burn out in a matter of months. None whatsoever. There is however an abundance of evidence that people will die unnecessarily if the vaccine isn't delivered to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. 

I am not going to go on tolerating claims that cannot be substantiated on this issue. Aristotleded24, your views are well known. Others do not share them for clearly stated reasons. Enough is enough. 

earthquakefish

earthquakefish wrote:

MegB wrote:
I see someone responding in feeling, very fairly in light of what is going on. 

I would suggest the one who said, 'these conspirarcy theories are getting tiresome' was misdirected, bordering slander.  But that's a take from someone not involved in this community.

 

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Then I guess the vaccines won't be credited for ending the pandemic once this thing starts burning out in the next few monts. Some things just don't happen as planned.

These conspiracy theories are getting tiresome.

I agree. There is no factual basis in supporting the idea that the virus will burn out in a matter of months. None whatsoever. There is however an abundance of evidence that people will die unnecessarily if the vaccine isn't delivered to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. 

I am not going to go on tolerating claims that cannot be substantiated on this issue. Aristotleded24, your views are well known. Others do not share them for clearly stated reasons. Enough is enough. 

They don't even know if the new variants are affected by the vaccine, someone who expresses doubt, and *voices* it, is hardly one should be muzzled. If it's a life and death question, one should be able to come to their own conclusion in quesiton. That is life.

JKR

earthquakefish wrote:

I would suggest the one who said, 'these conspirarcy theories are getting tiresome' was misdirected, bordering slander.  But that's a take from someone not involved in this community.

Aristotleded24 stated that Pfizer is selling an ineffective vaccine because they know Covid-19 will die out by itself. I think this is obviously a dubious conspiracy theory. I personally find it tiresome and annoying to hear these kind of outlandish conspiracy theories in the numerous Covid threads started by a fellow Babbler. There are a bunch of apparent lies in this particular conspiracy theory. 1) That Pfizer thinks their vaccine is not effective. 2) That Pfizer thinks Covid-19 will die out by itself. 3) That COVID-19 will die out by itself. 4) That Pfizer would take the chance of acting in such an inept and criminal way. 5) That the whole world is stupid enough to be duped in such a way. I find it tiresome trying to spell out why I think this "theory" is bogus. I think if there was slander here it would be slander against Pfizer.

 

earthquakefish

JKR wrote:

 

I would suggest the one who said, 'these conspirarcy theories are getting tiresome' was misdirected, bordering slander.  But that's a take from someone not involved in this community.

Quote:

Aristotleded24 stated that Pfizer is selling an ineffective vaccine because they know Covid-19 will die out by itself. I think this is obviously a dubious conspiracy theory. I personally find it tiresome and annoying to hear these kind of outlandish conspiracy theories in the numerous Covid threads started by a fellow Babbler. There are a bunch of apparent lies in this particular conspiracy theory. 1) That Pfizer thinks their vaccine is not effective. 2) That Pfizer thinks Covid-19 will die out by itself. 3) That COVID-19 will die out by itself. 4) That Pfizer would take the chance of acting in such an inept and criminal way. 5) That the whole world is stupid enough to be duped in such a way. I find it tiresome trying to spell out why I think this "theory" is bogus. I think if there was slander here it would be slander against Pfizer.

There is no reason to believe Pfizer would promise something like that.  There is benefit for them, with countries up bidding the cost of vaccines, and then a day later speaking of supply in manufacturing difficulties. Profit. Isreal boasted, just days ago, of offering more for dosages.  It is the first major health issue in so long, would a company not try to benefit?

It was developed quickly, yes I know from technologoy existing before, where this is the first chance to really try implementing, but something stinks.  Even media said when it showed up in Ontario, the police were there protecting it like it was liquid gold. It really is that, and you don't need pent up driven demand now for that to see.

Pfiszer is not without scrutiny, question? You really don't think a pharma company would hold countires hostage, now?  Call me slanderous, but they want it that way. I don't see how Aristotled24 was slandering a pharma company and instead I see one askin *questions*

eastnoireast

earthquakefish wrote:

Pfiszer is not without scrutiny, question? You really don't think a pharma company would hold countires hostage, now?  Call me slanderous, but they want it that way. I don't see how Aristotled24 was slandering a pharma company and instead I see one askin *questions*

exactly.  asking annoying, at times spammy, broad-brush questions; but we are in an annoying, spammy, broad-brush info-pandemic.

without a24, eqf, and myself, the rabble discussion boards are pretty well a "more lockdown/censor/vacine-warshiping/i've-made-up-my-mind" echo chamber regarding c19.

the left.  pfftt.

NorthReport

And hopefully we will make scientific progress on how the spread of Covid-19 happened

The other virus that worries Asia

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210106-nipah-virus-how-bats-could-c...

NorthReport

What a challenge for scientists to get the actual truth out in both China and the USA. And what a shame for which we all pay a price!

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/china-builds-hospital-days-surge...

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