BC NDP Leadership Election Part II

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But yet you now support Dix.....

What a bunch of phoney concoctions dreamed up by those who just wanted Carole gone, full stop.

NDP has NO history of forcing leaders to resign because the election was lost ffs. Especially after said person has rebuilt the party from 2 seats. Nor should there be any thoughts of "oustings" in a progressive party, let alone actions to install a leader that has even less chances than the one ousted.

The level of immaturity and stupid patriarchial posturings that is being displayed in this newest gong show indicates much.

Those who rahed rahed Corky as being the "conscience and sane voice" of the BCNDP are now facing him telling them that their golden boy Dix, may have been pulling membership shenanigans. Yep, he certainly wants what is best for the BCNDP.

Seems to me, from his behaviour in this endeavour, that he is pissed that the membership did not choose him as leader and he is out to make 'em pay through the destruction of said party.

The whole thing was  already sickening, that it is getting moreso, was easily predictable when all this nonsense was started.

Until the 13 are gone and those in the backroom have walked away after destroying the party yet again, there will be no BCNDP in power. Because as it stands what progressive women would vote for them as they are proving they are worse than the BC Liberals?

 

 

kropotkin1951

Mike didn't even have to lose an election before he was forced out so your history seems a little strange. So too you 13 leftists who stood for election and won the confidence of the voters should be thrown out because they didn't like your preferred leader. Wonderful version of democracy.  

IMO Your analysis fails because I do not believe the women in the group of 13 deserve any less respect than Carole. Someone convinced Carole that to restore her image she needed to go hard on the dissenting voices in caucus.  Not my fault or the fault of the 13 that Carole seems to have listened to the wrong advisors.  

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

remind wrote:
[email protected] Brian and those who listened to his blatherings about how Carole should be gone. It is very apparent he like most Greens want the NDP gone.
 

 

Huh? What Green has said they wanted the NDP gone? The NDP has a place in our democracy and it should stay that way. They serve a very useful purpose. When Greens get elected it is very likely that they will share enough common ground with the NDP to try to form some kind of cooperation. At that point they will complement each other. Do you feel persecuted somehow? I don't understand. 

 

Also, I can understand that you have an issue with men of your generation, but seriously does it always have to sound like: You are either with us or with the Patriarchy!?

Carole James is a good person, but has faults like anybody else and ultimately proved to be uneasy as leader. It's too bad, I agree it would have been good to have a women as Premier, but it was an indication that that she had issues dealing with conflict and/or was fed horrible advice both of which were a bad sign for a potential premier. Facing fair criticism in a magnanimous and respectful way would have been a much better asset however, as well as taking ownership of her mistakes. That is now in the past though. I don't see how making a big deal about it now helps anything. You're simply turning others off from your position as far as I can tell. 

But, as usual, I don't expect to be able to change your mind, even remotely. So keep on truckin'. Smile

 

melovesproles

Dix at least seems to be on track in focusing his attacks on the BC Liberals. James doesn't seem capable of missing an opportunity to attack NDP supporters and members she personally disapproves of.

Quote:

Carole James won't back an individual candidate in the race to elect her successor, but says she has no use for three of the would-be leaders.
Ms. James said Friday she was glad some serious candidates - MLAs John Horgan and Mike Farnworth - entered the NDP leadership race this week.
 
She admitted her negative comments were aimed at MLAs Harry Lali and Nicholas Simons - two of the so-called Baker's Dozen of 13 MLAs whose criticisms prompted her resignation last month - and marijuana activist Dana Larsen.
Mr. Horgan and Mr. Farnworth backed Ms. James.
"I do have to say that I was pleased this week to see some serious candidates step up to the plate," Ms. James said.
She said the party needs candidates who can show the NDP is a credible alternative to the provincial Liberal government with a balanced, committed approach to growing the economy and building a fair and just society.
"I didn't feel those three candidates represented that for our party," she said of Mr. Lali, Mr. Simons and Mr. Larsen.

What a consensus builder! Hah!

Good riddance.

remind remind's picture

Interested Observer wrote:
You're simply turning others off from your position as far as I can tell. 

Translation: Men do not liked being called on their sexist actions.

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But, as usual, I don't expect to be able to change your mind, even remotely. So keep on truckin'. Smile

Um....why should I change my mind, the actions leading to this state of affairs were reprehensible, immature, self-defeating, and patriarchial(at best). In fact, life experience has taught me, even moreso than when I was younger, that white men  are not willing to give up power and want women to comply with their  sense of privilege.

Complying to men on the so called 'progessive side' has done nothing for women, in fact we are seeing roll backs on advances we have made. Which thereby underscores my point above that men, no matter their stated political affiliations, want to keep the  unequal state of affairs in the world residing in their favour.

Thinking it is okay to play power games with people's lives and hankering after cloak and dagger politics is NOT progressive, or even  humane.

Got no use for those who are so caught up in that toxic mentality as it is destroying the world.

NorthReport

Adrian could conceivably pull off the brass ring here. Adrian has been working hard as a MLA. And quite importantly, for someone aspiring to leadership he has been by far the most effective NDP MLA at obtaining good coverage in the mainstream press for his health care critic role.

NorthReport

So do we know yet what the voting process will be?

I presume there will only be one online vote per member - is that correct?

So what happens if no one gets a majority on the first ballot?

I presume there will have to be a ranking order for our ballots, and if our first choice is not eliminated on the first ballot, then our first choice gets recounted again if there is a second ballot, until such time as our first choice wins or drops off, and at that point our 2nd choice would come into play for the vote.

 

 

melovesproles

Yeah, I think he has a good chance too.  The endorsements were a bit of a coup and he is one of the few MLAs who has impressed in his critic role.  He has some really obvious baggage but that's not necessarily a deal breaker for me if he'll fight for the things I care about.  From the statements he, Horgan, and Farnworth have made, he's sounded the scrappiest of the three 'favorites' so far.  I'd like to like Horgan as he's from the island but so far have been really unimpressed.  Even Farnworth has had more substance but his rightwing 'tough on crime' obsession ensures I'll rank him last.

NorthReport

Looks like Dawn Black will be the new interim leader

NorthReport

Vancouver-Hastings MLA Shane Simpson was elected caucus chair, with Burnaby-Deer Lake MLA as deputy. (Who's this - Corrigan?)

Esquimalt-Royal Roads MLA Maurine Karagianis was elected caucus whip, with Burnaby-Edmonds MLA Raj Chouhan as deputy.

 

 

http://www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_south/victorianews/news/1142...

JKR

melovesproles wrote:
I'd like to like Horgan ... but so far have been really unimpressed.

I was thinking the same thing. So far Horgan has been talking in boring trite generalities and banal platitudes. He's had nothing substantive to say so far. He'd better get to specifics or the race will pass him by.

If Dix didn't have so much baggage, he'd probably easily win. As it is, Horgan can win if he can get his act together.

People want specicific, yet dynamic solutions to the problems that face BC.

Vansterdam Kid

I wanted to dismiss Farnworth out of hand, but his understanding of environmental, transportation and sustainability issues have been impressive. I was actually under the impression that had he won I would've (at best) begrudgingly voted for him  (in a general election), but I'm not as worried about that now. Of course he'll be low on my list of ranked candidates, due to his retrograde analysis and presentation on criminal justice issues (where he plays to the lowest possible denominator), but I'm not as diametrically opposed to his candidacy as I initially was.

As for Horgan, I too have been underwhelmed. About the only impressive thing about his candidacy so far is the fact that he has a nice looking website. He seems like the most James like of the candidates, in so far as he's talked a lot and said very little. Completely invisible for a so-called 'serious' candidate. This may be unfair seeing as it's early in the race, but this is a short race, he needs to step it up. This doesn't fill me with confidence regarding his ability to beat the Liberals.

Dix has been a pleasant surprise. I've always liked him as a critic because of his strong grasp of the issues and his take no prisoners style vs. the Liberals, but I've always been leery of him as a potential leader because he was aligned with Clark and is somewhat of an "old boy"/"hack." It's not because I believe in guilt by association so much as because that part of the party has consistently shown themselves to be impervious to progressive thought that is willing to challenge the status quo and hell bent on gaining power even if it destroys the party in the process. That being said, he has shown that he has an impressive grasp of the issues. One thing we often forget is that Clark too was an impressive politician, until he overreached. If Dix can avoid the tendency to overreach and dismiss progressive fellow travellers as "enemies of BC" and instead focus on the issues then I could be convinced to support him. His analysis of economic issues and his lack of fear (which is a refreshing change for a New Democrat) in using reality to critique the Liberal record and promote an NDP vision is very impressive. He's the candidate that I could see my self supporting with my head, despite his establishment credentials.

If Dix is the candidate that I'm leaning to with my head then Simons is the candidate I support with my heart. I don't think he's polished enough, so I'm not convinced he'd be able to do the parliamentary dance, or spar very well with the Liberal frontrunners in a debate, but he does have a deep understanding of the issues and he comes at them from a solidly progressive point of view. I watched his interview with the Georgia Straight and he tackled the questions very well, albiet not in an overly media friendly way. I know it's lame to be worried about that sort of thing, but it's an unfortunate reality that that sort of thing is important. The fact that he's an outsider is attractive too. Of course he has little chance of winning, but nonetheless I'd probably rank him first, with Dix second if this was the form of voting we were going to use. To be honest, they're the only two candidates I "approve" of so far.

Lali's attempt to be an outsider or populist is good in theory. The political world needs some shaking up and people are angry and would probably flock to an outsider candidate. That being said he's made some weird statements, like the whole thing on having old white men "take back" the party that make me question his judgement and abilities. I realize the point he was trying to make, although it's ironic coming from him. I just haven't been able to take him seriously. Not to mention the fact that he really hasn't said much of anything related to the issues other than harping on Dix regarding the members issue and complaining about not being able to use Excel. I will grant that his criticism of the $15,000, including $5,000 non-refundable administrative fee was reasonable. That said I would hope a serious party leader would be adept at raising funds.

I haven't heard anything from Larsen to change my opinion of him. He's a joke candidate. I agree our drug laws need changing, but that's about it. What have you said lately? I could see how, should we have an STV style ballot that ranking him higher than other candidates would be useful, but I can't see him as an MLA much less the leader.

Brian White

What is your take on Dix and the "bags of money"? Aparently, filled memberships came in and people were videoed attaching 10 dollar bills to the memberships.  The bills came from the bags. The memberships came from other bags.

An MLA was involved in this clerical work but didn't see anything wrong with this.

I hope the police have a look at this.  It might be money laundering. It is pretty slick of the Dix team to combine money laundering with Membership laundering.      Bravo!   Not sure why they didn't do it in a "back room"?

Guess they are being honest and open about it!  A pat on the back for those great boys.

Well done.  The NDP has been turned into a pragmatic businesslike machine overnight.

Just what we need to get the voters back into the booths.

NorthReport

It's already been dealt with - they put the applications in one container and the money in another to keep it organized. There nothing here Brian, but thanks again for being a lackey of the msp in trying to help smear the NDP. Time to move on and deal with who will be the best leader.

Brian White

I am sorry that you feel that way, North Report

I guess there is no truth to the rumours that Farnworth and Lali strongly objected?

They made that up too, did they?

kropotkin1951

Brian White wrote:

I am sorry that you feel that way, North Report

I guess there is no truth to the rumours that Farnworth and Lali strongly objected?

They made that up too, did they?

No it only shows why they are wandering around in the wilderness instead of having won the last election.  Nasty nomination battles that leave a bitter taste in people's mouths have been a recurring theme in this party since Moe helped his liberal buddy win the nomination.

Fidel

BCNDP should now concentrate on promising socialist utopia in one province. And when they can't deliver on that one for whatever lame excuses they might conjure-up in that neoliberalized corner of Canada, it'll consolidate the Liberal Party-corporate dictatorship even moreso. Meanwhile the child poverty only ever goes one way in Liberal BC.

Aristotleded24

Brian White wrote:
I am sorry that you feel that way, North Report

I guess there is no truth to the rumours that Farnworth and Lali strongly objected?

They made that up too, did they?

You're right Brian. The fact that Farnworth is a leadership rival to Dix makes him an objective and unbiased source!

kropotkin1951

Fidel wrote:

BCNDP should now concentrate on promising socialist utopia in one province. And when they can't deliver on that one for whatever lame excuses they might conjure-up in that neoliberalized corner of Canada, it'll consolidate the Liberal Party-corporate dictatorship even moreso. Meanwhile the child poverty only ever goes one way in Liberal BC.

I thought you were a friend of the NDP.  Do you think in-fighting in public during the leadership campaign is helpful?   Anyways I am really unsure as to what you mean other than doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

kropotkin1951

Farnworth sure has changed his tune from October.  He is right there will be consequences to his publicly smearing a fellow major contender for the prize.  People who have never voted NDP must be just shaking their heads in bewilderment.

Quote:

Mike Farnworth, Port Coquitlam legislator

"...caucuses and political parties are teams and we are going in a generally same direction. A key part of that is trust. And what Bob did was break that trust in a very public way. If you have issues within political parties, you raise them within political parties and Bob chose not to do that. And when you do that, there are consequences." (CBC's The Early Edition, Oct. 7, 2010)

http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/10/10/DemsChooseSides/

Fidel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Fidel wrote:

BCNDP should now concentrate on promising socialist utopia in one province. And when they can't deliver on that one for whatever lame excuses they might conjure-up in that neoliberalized corner of Canada, it'll consolidate the Liberal Party-corporate dictatorship even moreso. Meanwhile the child poverty only ever goes one way in Liberal BC.

I thought you were a friend of the NDP.  Do you think in-fighting in public during the leadership campaign is helpful?  Anyways I am really unsure as to what you mean other than doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

What about So-Creds, k? Maybe they could strike-up another billion dollar Columbia River power giveaway to the Yanks. That should fix things up really well for all those the kids living in poverty out there.

Vansterdam Kid

Anyways....

Brian that isn't money laundering and if you think that's money laundering you need to read the definition of money laundering. This is the definition of money laundering:

"Money laundering occurs over a period of three steps, which include the physical distribution of the cash (“placement”), the second step involves carrying out complex financial transactions in order to camouflage the illegal source (“layering”), and the final step which entails acquiring wealth generated from the transactions of the illicit funds (“integration”)."

So, I realize this is a part of leadership campaigns, but it's a waste of time because I want to hear about the issues. Whoever speaks to them best will have my support period.

NorthReport

So the federal Liberal canadidate in Sea-to-sky has donated to Simons' leadership campaign. 

NorthReport

I actually like Simons, sorry Carole.

NorthReport

The minimun wage should be $15. an hour in BC. The candidate who comes closest to this amount will win my vote. I mean seriously take a look at the cost of housing in the Lower Mainland.

NorthReport

We have been shifting to the right ever since Reagan and his sidekick Mulroney. I'm looking for a candidate who is is going to finally fight for the left.  

Brian White

Just a note that the gayness of 2 NDP candidates was noted by Gary Mason in one of the rags today. So I guess he is trying to manufacture an issue.

Also, if you read comments elsewhere, I am not the only one who thought it looked like money laundering. I do not see why Dix could not have organized his paperwork before handing it in.  Was he just trying to piss Lali and Farnworth off?  He does know that the media are watching for super dumb moves, doesn't he?  This does matter regardless of what others say because it looks terrible. 

Now, in holey Ireland, the leader of the main governing party has just quit as leader but will stay on as PM till the election in March.

Ireland is in the hole because the government got too pally with the banks and bailed out the banks instead of letting the bad ones fail.

His replacement will be elected next wednsday.    So remind me why do we have those stupid US style elections for leaders?   As far as I know Irish political parties have lots more members than partys here.  I got offered a 10 dollar 4 year membership of the bc libs last week by a campaigner for Christie Clarke. $2.50 a year!  And thats from the party of the rich. 

So maybe membership should be free in the NDP?

Are people sure that this type of "load the dice" buy memberships, buy the party, campaign is good for politics?

Vansterdam Kid

Gary Mason is a predictable and tiresome bore. I can stand him even less than I can Vaughn Palmer or Keith Baldry. And I can't really stand those two.

As for raising the minimum wage to 15$ an hour that's a reasonable policy. They do it in Australia.

edmundoconnor

Brian White wrote:

Just a note that the gayness of 2 NDP candidates was noted by Gary Mason in one of the rags today. So I guess he is trying to manufacture an issue.

Said note in said rag.

skarredmunkey

edmundoconnor wrote:

Brian White wrote:

Just a note that the gayness of 2 NDP candidates was noted by Gary Mason in one of the rags today. So I guess he is trying to manufacture an issue.

Said note in said rag.

Perhaps the headline should be: "Is the Globe and Mail's Gary Mason ready for an openly gay party leader?"

Vansterdam Kid

Seriously, the first time I heard that Farnworth was gay was from him. Not that Farnworth himself was hiding it, it's just that nobody cares. I already knew Simons was, but again, no one cares.

Stockholm

If I'm not mistaken, before Farnworth announced his candidacy for leader, he had never publicly come out and was in a Baird-like limbo. His bios never made any mention of a partner etc...but obviously he made a decision that if he ran for leader he would have to come out by openly acknowledging his partner of 22 years - giving the media sudden cart blanche to write about what had previously been an open secret.

Hunky_Monkey

I heard from a friend in BC that it was known Farnworth was gay.  He took his partner to the last convention apparently.  I got the impression that he just never made an issue of it.  This before the coup that overthrew Carole James.

NorthReport

Palmer sure has it in for the NDP. He might as well be on the Liberal payroll with this kind of sleazy reporting.

 

Opinion: Dix, Liberals have lots in common

 

NDP leadership hopeful says he's learned from past mistakes

 

 

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Opinion+Liberals+have+lots+common/41301...

Basement Dweller

1) Nobody cares that Farnworth is gay

2) The fact that its the main subject of discussion shows how pathetic the BCNDP leadership race is. I just did a media scan, and nothing but tumbleweeds in the last few days. Sign-ups were done weeks ago, so start performing.

Stockholm

There is a two month gap between the date the BC Liberals pick their leader in February and the date the NDP chooses its new leader in April. At this early stage of the NDP race, its really been all about speculation on who is in and who is out and a boomlet about who got a bunch of new members signed up before the Jan. 17 deadline. I'm not expecting much action in the NDP race until after the BC Liberals make their choice and then we have two long months of debates etc... between the candidates.

NorthReport

Tieleman backs Dix. Significant.

JKR

NDP contender Harry Lali wants Elections B.C. to run leadership contests

Quote:

 5. If a person is holding a membership in one political party and wants to sign a membership card for another political party he/she must follow these steps in the following order:

a) Give written notices to his/her current political party in which he/she holds a membership and also to Elections BC that he/she is resigning his/her membership in the current political party;

b) If he/she had previously volunteered to have his/her name registered as a supporter of a particular political party, then in the same written notice he/she will also ask Elections BC to de-register him/her from the current political party he/she is resigning from; and finally

c) The individual is then free to join any other political party of his/her choice.

 

Lali's campaign has just jumped the shark. These rules sound positively fascisitic.

Ken Burch

Are Lali's proposed rules meant as an anti-Dana Larsen thing?  If not, what's this about?

 

Brian White

I think it is an East Indian thing. I have read blogs where east Indians are absolutely furious about Basi Verk, (the minnows get caught in what is very clearly a much bigger game and none of the white guys got charged with anything).   Some were really angry about how Martin recruited busloads of  east indians to get rid of Herb Daliwal.

Anyway, he cannot be too happy at the image of Dix waving 10 dollar bills or $20's at hundreds of  very poor east indian farm workers to recruit them as membership fodder.  And the brown members always get painted as the bad guys in this, not the white recruiter.         Why is that?

I am sure the East Indian community has a huge range of attitudes and beliefs and  they are probably not happy to be all lumped together.

And he probably does not have the money to do this type of recruiting himself.

kropotkin1951

Brian White wrote:

I think it is an East Indian thing. I have read blogs where east Indians are absolutely furious about Basi Verk, (the minnows get caught in what is very clearly a much bigger game and none of the white guys got charged with anything).   Some were really angry about how Martin recruited busloads of  east indians to get rid of Herb Daliwal.

Anyway, he cannot be too happy at the image of Dix waving 10 dollar bills or $20's at hundreds of  very poor east indian farm workers to recruit them as membership fodder.  And the brown members always get painted as the bad guys in this, not the white recruiter.         Why is that?

This is a slanderous smear of the people connected with Adrian's campaign.  Where is your proof this is nothing more than the people who signed members putting the money in a pile just like it has been done every other time.  The new policy to staple the money to the form is not more secure.  By raising this you are slurring the Philippine and East Indian volunteers on the campaign and calling them crooked.  

Shame on you for regurgitating this slander.  Either provide some proof for this allegation of election fraud or withdraw the comment.

Brian White

Take it up with Farnworth and Lali. They are the ones who complained to the BC NDP about it. Maybe you want them to withdraw their complaints?

And central council is clearly an active participant in the Dix campaign so it is too funny that they say nothing wrong was done. Well, they would say that wouldn't they?

I wasn't calling the volunteers crooked.

They are only doing that they are told to do.  Lots of people follow orders.

If the election of a new leader was confined to existing members, this would never have happened.

Anyway, I do not see too much wrong with Lali's idea for elections BC to oversee the partys.  They are certainly not capable of overseeing themselves. 

The NDP leadership (Moe and friends) might as well annoint Dix now and get it over with.  But no, they have to wait until the "process" of converting "memberships" into acclaimation is over.   You all like to protray Lali as a nut.  So why did Farnworth complain too?

Because there was abuse of process going on, that is why.

"And, the contestants are in the starting blocks, ready, get set.    Stop!"    "A last minute contestant! And he is straight out there a mile ahead of the others.  GO! "

One rule for Dix and a different rule for everyone else.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Brian White wrote:

I think it is an East Indian thing. I have read blogs where east Indians are absolutely furious about Basi Verk, (the minnows get caught in what is very clearly a much bigger game and none of the white guys got charged with anything).   Some were really angry about how Martin recruited busloads of  east indians to get rid of Herb Daliwal.

Anyway, he cannot be too happy at the image of Dix waving 10 dollar bills or $20's at hundreds of  very poor east indian farm workers to recruit them as membership fodder.  And the brown members always get painted as the bad guys in this, not the white recruiter.         Why is that?

This is a slanderous smear of the people connected with Adrian's campaign.  Where is your proof this is nothing more than the people who signed members putting the money in a pile just like it has been done every other time.  The new policy to staple the money to the form is not more secure.  By raising this you are slurring the Philippine and East Indian volunteers on the campaign and calling them crooked.  

Shame on you for regurgitating this slander.  Either provide some proof for this allegation of election fraud or withdraw the comment.

Basement Dweller

Umm I'm pretty sure I just heard Baldrey accidentally call Farnworth "Mike Harcourt".Foot in mouth

NorthReport

I think if the NDP pick Adrian as leader the NDP has a good shot at winning the next election. And I see Christy's campaign is starting to tank as I suspected it would.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Brian White wrote:
 I think it is an East Indian thing. I have read blogs where east Indians are absolutely furious about Basi Verk,  

WTF Brian? Either substantiate with links or take back this racist bullshit.

And it's "South Asian" not "East Indian"

Oh and just because some people who are South Asian are angry, doesn't mean it's a "South Asian thing". That would be like me calling Stephen Harper's electoral support a "white thing". 

Come on, this is beyond 101, Brian.

Brian White

I have to withdraw, I could spend an hour looking up old blog links but that proves nothing.   I posted some of them in the bc rail threads.

And I don't read other languages so it is impossible to gauge the "average"  feeling for me or most other white people. 

Lali is understandably annoyed that his community is USUALLY protrayed as the one where ALL the mass sign ups take place.

That certainly is  how it is protrayed in the BC newspapers here (and has been protrayed that way since I came to BC in late 98).

So he wants to clean up the image by stopping mass sign ups altogether.

Even in one of these threads, (or maybe in the tyee)  someone suggested Lali sour grapes because Dix got to them (south asians)  first.

  This was also given as one reason why the BC Libs changed from one member one vote (for leader) to a system that gives whiter rural regions  a disproportinate  share of the vote.

Anyway, I was noting a perception.  Basi-Verk worked for the Paul Martin campaign. They were widely covered as very successful membership recruiters. That was part of a hugh scandal  and it was about 6 years ago.  Martin came out of it as PM and Basi and Verk were seen as the crooks.

  Someone mentioned Dix traveling to Surrey a lot more than we would have expected. The tyee, I think.  Anyway, I note again that somehow Dix comes out of this clean while the south asian community somehow comes out of it as being crooked.  Why the hell is that?

Anyway, there is a perception. I note that the perception exists. This perception does the south asian community no favours what so ever.

Lali proposes removing mass membership  sigh ups altogether (probably to remove the cause of the perception).  

Does that make me racist?

By the way, in holey Ireland, the leadership campaign in a party lasted less than 2 weeks. 

There were no instant members and no whiff of scandal about the campaign.

I am not sure why the ndp have to ape the republican party in the USA with their expensive campaigns.

A party that represents the poorer people should not do it that way.

 

Brian White

Ok Aristotle, why did they not object to each other and to the other candidates then?   Why only to Dix?

It amuses me that people suddenly decide that Dix is a good Leader and he can do no wrong.  Bags of money, bags of signatures,  dilivered independently at 5 minutes to midnight.  

Points.

1 This is bound to upset the other candidates.

2 This looks like a sneaky coup.

3 This is thouroughly unprofessional and looks awful.

Dix must know that the real voters are watching too. Why could he not diliver the memberships in a more orderly fashion?

If the money is supposed to be stapled to the bluddy membership form, then bluddy well  do it that way.

To make it at least LOOK legit. Does he not even care how it looks?

And maybe the guys in party central do not care either?

At some stage the NDP will be phoning or be knocking on my door asking for my vote. 

And I will look back at this and wonder if it is a good idea at all.

It LOOKS like blatant corruption.  Corruption is best exposed and punished. 

Dix has done the first part proudly.

 

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Brian White wrote:
I am sorry that you feel that way, North Report

I guess there is no truth to the rumours that Farnworth and Lali strongly objected?

They made that up too, did they?

You're right Brian. The fact that Farnworth is a leadership rival to Dix makes him an objective and unbiased source!

kropotkin1951

MSM perceptions are often the problem.

The short sign up time was to ensure that there was not a flood. The fact that Dix actually had volunteers willing to talk to their friends and family and they managed to get interest behind his campaign should be applauded.  For Lali and Farnworth to make unspecified allegations of fraud in the media is really dumb politics and highlights why the party lost the last election. The movers and shakers in the party save their most vile vitriol for their allies and talk sweet talk to power.  The NDP is a nice comfy club why try to increase its membership?

kropotkin1951

Did he meet the deadline?  Did he not want to tip his hand to the other candidates? Did his canvassers follow the new and revised rules freshly printed by the central office?  Were any of the memberships signed before the new rules were proclaimed. Were the new rules even passed by the proper authority before being announced?  Did any of his canvassers pay for memberships?  So many questions that should have been dealt with between the party and the six candidates.  How the fuck can they work as a caucus if they act like back stabbing tattle tales.

Brian White

Just one thing you are forgetting?   A really important thing.

  Dix did not officially enter the leadership campaign until the very last minute.

  You enter it at the eleventh hour and somehow your "friends and family" in a couple of days gather huge numbers of memberships?  What great networking! 

Aren't you stretching your imagination to the extreme using the words "friends and family".  

The best thing I can say about that is that it is sneaky. Are you in Dix's propaganda advisory group?  "Friends and family" indeed.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

MSM perceptions are often the problem.

The short sign up time was to ensure that there was not a flood. The fact that Dix actually had volunteers willing to talk to their friends and family and they managed to get interest behind his campaign should be applauded.  For Lali and Farnworth to make unspecified allegations of fraud in the media is really dumb politics and highlights why the party lost the last election. The movers and shakers in the party save their most vile vitriol for their allies and talk sweet talk to power.  The NDP is a nice comfy club why try to increase its membership?

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