Who Replaces Gordon Campbell?

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remind remind's picture

Actually it says a lot about many things, when Christy Clark comes in first here at rabble in a poll. None of them good...

Then of course one looks at the numbers to see what ? 9 votes in between.

 

Also, this is "rabble" NOT the community at large.

Stockholm

It says that there are at least 58 people on rabble who are either rightwing infiltrators or else have really low levels of political literacy and think that Christy Clark is a leftist.

remind remind's picture

"infiltrators"?

That may perhaps be to soft a word.

And I doubt anyone at rabble/babble has the necessary low levels of political literacy required to mistakenly cast a vote for Christie Clark.

In fact, I question exactly why rabble staff put her name forward for consideration in the first place......it is not as if she is high in BC public awareness, as a contender, or anything.  It is quite creepy actually.

melovesproles

It probably got linked to on a Liberal blog or forum.  Maybe the Clark campaign is trying to build up a buzz wherever it can.

remind remind's picture

That may explain, if indeed accurate, why the majority voting for her has occured, but it  does not explain 'rabble' putting her name forward out of the blue and creating a high state of creepiness in respect to their actions..

Centrist

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Looks like Gregor has better political instincts than the fools who have lost at least three election in a row.

ARS released an opinion poll today about Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of Gregor Robertson's performance as Mayor of Vancouver?

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 47%

2. All things considered, do you think Gregor Robertson deserves re-election as Mayor of Vancouver in 2011?

Yes: 31%
No: 40%

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2010.11.08_Politics...

 

Those numbers seem to prove my point from my earlier post. If Gregor is flying low in the City of Vancouver, I'd wager that he'd even fly lower in the 'burbs and rural areas.

 

 

wage zombie

Stockholm wrote:

I'm neither concerned nor surprised that polls now show that the BC Liberals would be competitive with the NDP under a mystery person "X" "new leader". Similarly, you can find lots of polls in the US that will show "a Republican" could defeat Barack Obama - but that he wins anytime you test him against Romney or palin or Huckabee. People will always project whatever they want onto an un-named new leader - but in the real world - whoever the BC Liberals pick will piss off some segment of the unwieldy coalition that makes up that party and will have liabilities of some sort and will take policy positions that many people won't like.

CNN Poll: Huckabee 52- Obama 44 , Romney 50- Obama 45

kropotkin1951

Centrist wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Looks like Gregor has better political instincts than the fools who have lost at least three election in a row.

ARS released an opinion poll today about Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of Gregor Robertson's performance as Mayor of Vancouver?

Approve: 43%
Disapprove: 47%

2. All things considered, do you think Gregor Robertson deserves re-election as Mayor of Vancouver in 2011?

Yes: 31%
No: 40%

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2010.11.08_Politics...

 

Those numbers seem to prove my point from my earlier post. If Gregor is flying low in the City of Vancouver, I'd wager that he'd even fly lower in the 'burbs and rural areas.

 

 

Through every day spin, spin, spin there is a season to spin, spin, spin.  You seem to have forgot this part of the article. People don't trust any of our politicians is the real message but they seem to trust him more than the others. The question at this stage of the game seems to be would you prefer politician A B C or perfection.  I always choose perfect as my first choice.

 

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Robertson has one of the highest approval ratings among Canadian politicians, with 43 per cent approving of his performance and 47 per cent disapproving of it.

That may not sound like a ringing endorsement, but Mario Canseco, vice-president of communications for Angus Reid Public Opinion, said it's an astonishingly high approval rating, especially compared with the ratings of other current politicians.

"This is great news for an incumbent," he said. "What's fascinating is that Robertson has such a high approval rating. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is at 30 per cent. Premier Gordon Campbell was at between nine and 12 per cent before he resigned. The NDP's Carole James is at 25 per cent.

"It is rare for someone in Canada to be over 40 per cent, so having someone at 43 per cent is something of a phenomenon."

Fidel

What about Larry Fine or Moe Howard? What are they doing nowadays?

kropotkin1951

Fidel wrote:

What about Larry Fine or Moe Howard? What are they doing nowadays?

Someone from Ontario comparing Vancouver's progressive Mayor with the Three Stooges.  I just don't understand you somedays Fidel.

Fidel

Well I was just thinking that one of the stooges would do in a pinch to replace Campbell based on his record in power. I wouldn't read more into it than that.  The mayor of Vancouver is another story altogether. That's who the BC Libs would need to repair their tarnished image for sure.

kropotkin1951

So you think that Robertson is popular enough to lead either party.  Interesting idea although I don't see why a former NDP MLA would join the Libs instead of replacing Campbell as the new NDP Premier.  Fascinating thing this board.  I throw out the name of one of the most moderate centrist NDP politicians in the province and I get attacked and he gets called a stooge and closet liberal. 

Some days it sure seems like people respond to what they think your views are not anything you are actually posting.

Fidel

I didn't say anything negative about Robertson.

But it is typical of Liberal and Conservative parties to devour their leaders once they have wrecked the party's chances for re-election. And we're not talking about Carole James here who is poised to become premier of B.C. if an election was held today.

NDPers are different in this respect. Our people aren't given cushy jobs in corporate board appointments and banks, like the other two parties' leaders are given rewards by the corporatocracy for jobs well done in government.

NDPers are in it for the long haul and the good fight. If Carole James is a real social democrat, she's not about to quit on the party like Liberal or Tory party castoff, like  Gordon Campbell or Jim Prentice looking for greener pastures in the corporate sector.

We're talking about the BC Liberals needing a better baby kisser to lead that party to the next election is all.

But NDPers don't quit in the middle of a fight. NDPers are fighters worth their weight in wildcats when it comes to the good fight.

kropotkin1951

Fidel wrote:

NDPers are different in this respect. Our people aren't given cushy jobs in corporate board appointments and banks, like the other two parties' leaders are given rewards by the corporatocracy for jobs well done in government.

NDPers are in it for the long haul and the good fight. If Carole James is a real social democrat, she's not about to quit on the party like Liberal or Tory party castoff, like  Gordon Campbell or Jim Prentice looking for greener pastures in the corporate sector.

 

Lofty sentiment and for the most part true but this is BC we are talking about.  Reality is always slightly more nuanced.

http://www.jimpattison.com/corporate/executives-directors.aspx

 

kropotkin1951
Fidel

Doer took another government job. Not quite the same as a senate appointment to lobby for corporations and banks and organizing old line party fund raisers on the taxpayer's dime. It's not the same as being slotted into a corporate board of directors job based in the US or anything. He's not been hired by the fat-cats to help them avoid paying taxes they legally owe to Feds.

Boy could we have fun listing all of the old line party hacks who've done well after leaving politics early. They're in, they're out, it's real slick being a corporate stooge in government and out of government when they are members of the clique in this Northern Puerto Rico.

melovesproles

Remind, the whole thing does stink.  Post #20 on this thread, the first post by a brand-newbie is a bit of a give-away.  I don't know about the role of rabble, I could see how she might realistically be on the short list of names floated as a replacement leader but you never know...  However, the idea that the poll accurately reflects the views of babble is utter BS, there's no way.  I highly doubt the readers of rabble are that ideologically divergent.  The poll has been freeped.

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What? The way centrist has been selling it, it couldn't posssibley have been...

Stockholm

Good news today for the BC NDP. Looks like the BC Liberals will have a long drawn out messy process for picking a new leader and Campbell may be a lame duck for the next six months! Also, Dianne Watts announced will will NOT be a candidate for the BC Liberal leadership.

That means that the next BC Liberal leader will be one of the colourless, discredited nobodies in the current cabinet.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-liberal...

remind remind's picture

Yes, I heard this last night, as they are not doing 1 membership 1 vote. They are using the 100 point system, which does not favour Watts, Falcon or De Jong.

Baldry says Coleman now has the best shot. looking at end of February or into March for new leader.

So really bottom line is,  Gordo resigned without really resigning for several months. Apparently, he will also do the budget and Throne Speech.

ETA: Upon further reflection, if it has been long known in the inner circles that this was how the BC Liberals were going to conduct their leadership election, it would explain why the PR call out to have the BCNDP change leaders occured in order to level the playing field. Just as it would be if no Diane Watts has been long known, and thus that would also explain Christie Clark's name being floated...which of course it is not now, given her poor public reception.

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Can someone explain the 100 point system?

NorthReport

Gordo has been asked to move on immediately. He's like the plague to the BC Liberals.

And probably the most popular politician in Canada, the Mayor of Surrey has just given the finger to the BC Liberals concerning them wanting her to lead them. I still think perhaps someone from the NDP should approach Ms Watts to see if at some point she might be interested in the NDP leadership if and when it becomes available.

kropotkin1951

A repudiation of their BC Liberal's last system [one member one vote] that they touted as open and democratic when they adopted it not so long ago. 

remind remind's picture

Each riding association gets 100 points, so for example, if there is 60 votes for Coleman, 30 for de Jong, and 10 for Falcon, then Coleman gets 60 points towards the entire total votes, de Jong gets 30, and Falcon gets 10. There are no instant membership votes allowed.

Seeing as how Falcon and de Jong are in urban ridings and would have had the ability to sign up more instant members, as with Watts, than what are available in rural ridings, their odds of success would have been greater. And as Watts is not well known outside of the GVA, except in political junkie circles, her odds of winning were none, and so too are Falcon's and De Jong's as they have no support outside of their ridings.

kropotkin1951

So is there or is there not going to be a delegated convention that picks the leader?  Is the 100 point system being used to pick delegates or are the votes going to elect the new leader directly?

Stockholm

BTW: The 100 point system is the same system the Ontario PCs and the federal CPC use for leadership contests.

kropotkin1951

Gee I heard on the radio this morning they hadn't finalized the process.  Pogo which post is the answer?

remind remind's picture

Sorry kropotkin that I did not explain it fully enough, as I too would have asked the same questions as you had I not heard Baldry explaining how it would work.

There is not going to be a delegated convention, for 1 vote per person member, each riding gets 100 votes, and the 100 votes equals 100 points. Whether or not this process is going to be long distance or at a "convention"  is apparently not known, as they believe it will take more than 1 ballot.

 

Interestingly, to me at least, Dianne Watts stated in the interview where she stated most definitely she would not be running, almost word for word what Carole James has stated,  which was that there needs to be more decorum and accountibility with the government and its actions.

kropotkin1951

Dianne is not a fool.  She does not want to be the next Rita Johnson she wants to be the next Gordon Campbell, so she needs to wait for an election and then lead whatever party emerges as Howe street's new election vehicle.

remind remind's picture

Don't know about that, as she made some other interesting comments regarding the future status of cities, that I am still thinking about in relation to downloading from federal government programs. It could well be she knows things that are in the works, so to speak, that we the people do not know.

At any rate the BCNDP had better not be shooting themselves in the foot, by levelling the playing field as some are agitating they should, and given that 1 of them is a former BC Liberal, it is highly suspect.

kropotkin1951

While Moe is the President the party will stagnate.  No one in the province outside the party has any trust or believe in the truthfulness of anything he says.  If Carole wants to lead she should get rid of the insiders who keep losing over and over and not the people who are pointing out that the back room boys strategy has not worked and is not working.  Its time she stepped up and became a strong leader not a person who only does the deed at the behest of the cabal.

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She did not electe Moe to that position, he was elected by others and she now has to do what she can to work with the slice of pie she now has.

 

She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?

 

Moreover, you put a new leader in and Moe is still the President.

Fidel

Lo', the ultimate [url=http://www.thehardwarehut.com/door_stops.php]replacement for Gordon Campbell[/url]. It's all about choices.

Pogo Pogo's picture

question was answered upthread.

(about the voting system)

Vansterdam Kid
havana

remind wrote:

She did not electe Moe to that position, he was elected by others and she now has to do what she can to work with the slice of pie she now has.

 

She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?

 

Moreover, you put a new leader in and Moe is still the President.

Carole James is facing the test that every Leader faces.

She is a sitting member of the Party Exec. She has an Executive vote, and she has influence beyond that single vote.

Remind, you are engaging the victim mentality with comments like: "She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?"

Who is "them". As a working member, I expect that Carole James is working for the greater good of the Party and that she has a handle on "them". "Them" is her leadership team and it's her job to manage it. My job is to raise money and get out the vote.

 

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

Well, clearly it won't be [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-liberal... Bennett[/url].

 

 

Is this Bill Bennett any relation to the other Bill Bennett - and his WACky dad?

Pogo Pogo's picture

I am pretty sure that they are not related.

remind remind's picture

havana wrote:
remind wrote:
She did not electe Moe to that position, he was elected by others and she now has to do what she can to work with the slice of pie she now has.

She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?

 Moreover, you put a new leader in and Moe is still the President.

Carole James is facing the test that every Leader faces.

Nonsense, she is facing extra crap because she is Metis and a woman....if there was a white male leader who had achieved the successes Carole has, this would not be happening, and the successes would be being applauded, as opposed to diminshed and disparaged as if she has done nothing for the BCNDP.

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She is a sitting member of the Party Exec. She has an Executive vote, and she has influence beyond that single vote.

Not if 'the men' want her job....

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Remind, you are engaging the victim mentality with comments like: "She can be a strong leader if  others stood with her and openly helped her to reject those who think they have all the power. If you walk away and leave her standing there with them in control by being the only voices, what the hell do you expect?"

Who is "them". As a working member, I expect that Carole James is working for the greater good of the Party and that she has a handle on "them". "Them" is her leadership team and it's her job to manage it. My job is to raise money and get out the vote.

I am engaging in a "victim mentality"? How about you shove that right back where it came from...

Suggesting standing and bulding together, as mature critical thinking adults, as opposed to tearing down and self-destructfully levelling the playing field for the BC Liberals, because of male dominated  pissing matches, is not espousing  a "victim mentality". And your stating such is pretty damn offensive actually, so much so, I no longer wonder why donations are dropping.

And I see you skipped over the fact if there was a "new" leader they would still have Moe as President...even though "moe's influence is too great" is a popular refrain in calls for Carole to leave.

And still avoiding the fact there is NO ONE that could successfully replace her.

remind remind's picture

Christy Clark, has dipped her toe into the "possible" leadership run yesterday, by sticking up for Gordo in the Bennett dispute, she lost whatever chance she had though to win Premiership, as leader, if she won the race.

 

 

kropotkin1951

Actually as someone noted in anther thread her popular vote was just over the Bob Skelly performance.  Being a white male did not seem to protect him from the knives. He was turfed for the sin of loosing an election that was his to win. I supported Carole for many years but after the last election debacle she should have resigned because that is what honourable people do, not try to cling to power after loosing a winnable election. 

Frmrsldr

Here is some unsettling news from a B.C. newspaper:

wrote:

The B.C. Conservatives are growing at a rate that suggests a significant electoral breakthrough in 2013, party members heard Saturday in Kelowna.

Membership is now at 1,200 province-wide, five times what it was last year, Delta South Conservative MP John Cummins said.

"There is certainly room in B.C. for another party to take government," said Cummins, who addressed party supporters at the Parkinson Rec Centre in the morning before going on to Kamloops in the afternoon.

The provincial Conservatives offer a "moderate, middle-of-the-road" alternative to centre-right voters upset with the governing Liberal party, Cummins said.

"There's a lot of discontent out there with the Liberals. People who've supported the Liberals in the past, but who are now just disgusted by what's going on with the government, are going to come our way and help to grow our party."

A Mustel Group poll released Friday showed the NDP had 42 per cent voter support, the Liberals at 37 per cent, the Greens at 10 per cent, and the Conservatives at nine per cent.

... "The extremist element, if you want to refer to it that way, has sort of moved on to the new political party formed by (anti-HST campaigner) Chris Delaney," Cummins said, referring to the nascent B.C. First Party.

 

Stockholm

I don't think this is unsettling at all. I REJOICE in the thought of the BC Conservatives getting their act together so that the rightwing vote will get split to smithereens.

Stockholm

More good news today - yet another potential candidate for the BC Liberal leadership who might have had the potential to be a formidable leader - Blair Lekstrom - has announced he won't run.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/lekstrom-o...

Brian White

I presume the BC Lib party backroom leadership changed the leader vote rules so that their prefered voters (white conservatives from the unpopulated northern ridings) would be able to outvote the browner people in the vancouver area and keep the leadership in white hands.

  Really some of those northern ridings should be amalgamated and some of the vancouver ones should be split in half (based on riding population).

I call closet racism on the change of rules.  Any comment on that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_and_pocket_boroughs

ghoris

And they're off...

Stilwell kicks off B.C. Liberal leadership race

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Stilwell told Premier Gordon Campbell over the weekend she is resigning from her position as minister of regional economic and skills development to focus on the leadership race.

"I may be relatively new and relatively less experienced in politics, [but] it also means I'm less rehearsed, I've got less baggage, I've got less debt," said Stilwell.

Stilwell says she personally supports the HST, but she would try to get the HST referendum moved up to an earlier date and would abide by the results of the province-wide vote.

Stilwell is trained as radiologist and nuclear medicine physician. She has worked at BC Women's Hospital for almost a decade, according to her website, and was head of nuclear medicine at St. Paul's Hospital, Surrey Memorial Hospital, and the Abbottsford Regional Hospital and Cancer Clinic before becoming an MLA in 2009.

As Stock noted above, Blair Lekstrom has ruled himself out as a candidate, and according to this article Carole Taylor has declined to run as well. Ian Tostenson, head of the Restaurant and Food Services Association, is reported to be mulling a bid.

This is interesting. I don't think Dr. Stilwell was one anyone's list as a leadership contender.

Brian White

Campbell abusive to his family too? I put this on the tyee just quoting what the 'great man' said himself. He never said who committed the nastiness that spilled over into
his familys personnel lives. Others seem to assume that it was random outsiders.
but his comment looks like a personal appology to me. We should at least ask for clarification.

We all know that Campbell was abusive to the residents of BC.
So was he admitting to verbal abuse of his family or physical abuse? And which family members?
Sometimes that nastiness has spilled over into his family members' personal lives as well, he said, with emotion in his voice.

"I am sorry for that and I want to thank them all for their support and love."

Centrist

Based upon reports yesterday/today from Global BCTV, PublicEyeOnline and now other online sources it appears likely that former cabinet minister and current CKNW radio host Christy Clark will actually jump into the ring early next week.

Stockholm

what would her assets and liabilities if she were leader?

Centrist

Christy Clark is in her early/mid 40's and has government/cabinet experience and is also considered an "outsider". She has the afternoon CKNW radio gig, which is the highest rated radio station in Metro Vancouver - so has continued exposure. Her husband is Mark Marrison, a local Martinite federal Lib.

To me, Christy Clark comes across as too energetic, too brash, and she was too confrontational with the BCTF when she was education minister. She's certainly a couple of notches below a Dianne Watts/Carole Taylor.

Caveat - Until she makes an announcement it's still only rumour. But she is very ambitious.

Here's an ARS poll, from late last year, placing her up against Dianne Watts, Carole James, (and a whole slew of other Libs and New Democrats) as to whom would make best Premier:

[img]http://www.citycaucus.com/images/angus-reid-poll-premier.jpg[/img]

 

 

 

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