Vaginal Plastic Surgery
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:11
#1
Vaginal Plastic Surgery
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:11
#2
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LOS ANGELES (WOMENSENEWS)--She was 20 years old and had never contemplated plastic surgery. But one day at the gym, the pretty, smooth-faced receptionist in a Los Angeles doctor's office looked at her vagina and noticed that her inner vaginal labia stuck out past her outer labia. She was horrified."I looked in like, those magazines, and saw that inner labia shouldn't stick out like mine did," said Crystal, who requested her last name be withheld. "So I had a labiaplasty and now I love the way I look; nice and neat and new. My vagina looks perfect."
[url=http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2067/context/cover/]http:...
(the article does take awhile to load)
Apparently no part of our body is safe from standards of "perfection".
Fuck, Barbie didn't even have a vagina!
[ 16 November 2004: Message edited by: Debra ]
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:20
#3
OT, but I wonder what exercise or routine the gym provided that would cause her to examine her labia.
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:21
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Timebandit
Having trouble loading the article.
Anyway, commenting on what you've quoted -- WTF?! Nice and neat?! EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!! [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:23
#5
If this was Ontario. Would OHIP cover the cost? Or would the provincial libs create a touring commission to study different women's labias before enacting a policy?
I can see it now.
Physio not covered by ohip
Chiro not covered by ohip
Optomitry not covered by ohip
Got a loose labia....covered by ohip [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:23
#6
She should have done her research. If there's nothing else that an adolescence of thumbing through those same magazines will teach you, it's that women's parts come in all shapes and sizes. Some don't stick out, some stick way, way out. There's simply no "perfect" version.
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:25
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Originally posted by josh:
[b]OT, but I wonder what exercise or routine the gym provided that would cause her to examine her labia.[/b]
I was thinking the same thing! What the heck kind of gym IS that, anyhow?
As for the surgery...wouldn't that cause loss of sensation? That would suck. In a bad way.
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:27
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Got a loose labia....covered by ohip
They sink ships!
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:39
#9
First of all, and I know it was the article's title, not yours, Debrea, but I wish people wouldn't use "vaginal" so incorrectly all the time. Take a friggin' anatomy course, people. You too, Eve Ensler.
Anyway if you're NOT AT WORK, you can look at some [url=http://www.cosmeticsurgery2.com/cs-female1.htm]before and after[/url] pictures, to see what the hell they're even talking about.
It makes me want to cry.
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:47
#10
My goodness.
About the labiaplasty: How can it restore my self-image and self-esteem, as claimed, if I had no idea how "youthful and aesthetically pleasing" those structures were in the first place?
About the vaginoplasty: I haven't had children, so I wouldn't want to prejudge that decision -- maybe tightening stretched structures is a benefit.
But labiaplasty? Has this sort of thing even occurred to anyone else here? Ever?
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:49
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It makes me want to cry.
Cry? [i]You mean you haven't had your tear ducts removed yet?[/i]
It'll take ten pounds off your eyes. It's like buttah.
Tue, 2004-11-16 14:53
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About the vaginoplasty: I haven't had children, so I wouldn't want to prejudge that decision -- maybe tightening stretched structures is a benefit.
nope it isn't. And in fact in alot of ways isn't that much different than what some cultures do to women to make sure they don't enjoy sex.
It can leave painful scarring and restricts the vaginas natural stretching ability.
I've had six kids and well thanks to Kegel no problems with "roomy accomodation". [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
And as to have I ever considered any of these procedures? not on your life!!!
In fact I share Audra's reaction. they take perfectly normal beautiful women and make them plastic.
[ 16 November 2004: Message edited by: Debra ]
Tue, 2004-11-16 15:12
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Timebandit
Word, Debra, on the Kegels. I only have two kids, but it's the muscles that want tightening after childbirth, not the labia. And that is best done with exercise.
I have to wonder if some of these women will have excessive tearing to repair if they have a baby after one of these surgeries.
Finally got a look at the article... This just made me want to weep:
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Ileana Vasquez is a 29 year-old Southern California housewife with four children. She read about vaginal rejuvenation after she saw an ad in a magazine. Her marriage was in trouble and she noted that her husband wasn't happy with her sexually."One time he had a few beers and told me that because I had all our kids and was looser now he didn't want me as a woman anymore," Vasquez said. "He did say he was sorry later on but I knew he was telling the truth."
Vasquez had the surgery and she noted her marriage is back on track and her sex life is good again. "He's become my sweetheart again," she said. "He bought me a house and he wants me all the time."
Then she paused. "But there are times I still can't forgive him for how he made me feel," she said. "Sometimes I get so mad, so hurt. I mean I had the kids, he should have understood."
Goddam right he should! Self-absorbed fuck! [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]
Tue, 2004-11-16 15:44
#14
No shit eh?
Ya everything is great now.
Well except for the scarring the pain and the bitterness and teh knowledge my husband is a complete dickwad. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Tue, 2004-11-16 15:48
#15
From the link that audra posted:
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LABIAPLASTY will not only recreate more youthful and aesthetically pleasing external genital structures, but will also restore self-image and self-esteem!
Yeargh!
Tue, 2004-11-16 15:52
#16
Of course, give the fact that HE wasn't happy, he properly should have had a dick transplant and gotten a larger model.
As an alternative, he could stimulate his prostate by continuing to jam his head up his ass. That, apparently, can make your member more memorable.
[ 16 November 2004: Message edited by: HeywoodFloyd ]
Tue, 2004-11-16 15:53
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Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
[b]Of course, give the fact that HE wasn't happy, he properly should have had a dick transplant and gotten a larger model.As an alternative, he could stimulate his prostate by continuing to jam his head up his ass. That, apparently, can make your member more memorable.
[ 16 November 2004: Message edited by: HeywoodFloyd ][/b]
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Tue, 2004-11-16 17:12
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A few years ago a well-known celebrity who’d had just about everything else nipped and tucked by her plastic surgeon decided it was time for a labiaplasty. Unlike her breast augmentations, her tummy tucks, and her face lifts, she was very concerned that this “personal” surgery remain strictly private.
The surgery went well but she was horrified when she woke up from the anaesthetic and saw a huge bouquet of flowers in her hospital room. She summoned her surgeon and demanded to know how the flowers had got to her. The surgeon reassured her that her secret was intact and told her that the flowers had been sent in gratitude from the fellow in the burn ward who was delighted with his new ears.
Tue, 2004-11-16 17:49
#19
In LA the weekly papers are full of plastic surgery ads, complete with financing like you are buying a car instead of a new nose or less hips. A couple of years ago I started noticing almost every ad had added vaginal rejuvination to it's lineup of proceedures.
I was happy when I got to Toronto and saw no ads for plastic surgery at all in the weeklies.
Tue, 2004-11-16 17:54
#20
I seem to recall reading, many years ago, about a groundbreaking procedure by which an artificial hymen could be "re-created" for women. Presumably, it was "buy one, and we'll throw in the white wedding dress for free!"
Me, I don't like metal of any kind near my whistle. No cutting it, no implanting it, no piercing it, no tattooing it. I think mangling one's genitals for any purpose is a [i]cri du coeur[/i].*
* exceptions: trauma, sex reassignment surgery, vasectomy (with thanks to Zoot).
[ 17 November 2004: Message edited by: Mr. Magoo ]
Tue, 2004-11-16 17:59
#21
Actually there was an article - in Bust I think, or maybe Bitch - about genital cosmetic surgery. On the whole, the article was favourable to the idea. The article appeared four or five years ago I think.
Tue, 2004-11-16 18:15
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Timebandit
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Me, I don't like metal of any kind near my whistle. No cutting it, no implanting it, no piercing it, no tattooing it. I think mangling one's genitals for any purpose is a cri du coeur.** exceptions: trauma, sex reassignment surgery.
Add the Big V to that list Magoo -- that might be a worthy cause.
Wed, 2004-11-17 01:13
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remind
This is absolutely sickening.
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"I looked in like, those magazines, and saw that inner labia shouldn't stick out like mine did," said Crystal,
The reason why inner labia do not stick out in those magazines is because they are tucked back and held in place for the pictures. A proceedure to make a vagina look like a "flower" for vaginal spread shots developed by Larry Flint and Hustler.
Ann Klein did a NFB documentary that covered this in it in the 80's, and now it seems some women think they are deformed becuase of trick photography contained in the male propaganda magazines!!!!
Wed, 2004-11-17 01:26
#24
Why is a heterosexual woman viewing the vaginas of other women in magazines? That's more baffling to me than her awareness that her body is different from the cultural ideals portrayed.
Wed, 2004-11-17 01:28
#25
Aw, heck.
It drives me nuts to hear tales such as this. It never even entered my mind that my labia might be too long or too short or too ... anything! Gah.
Porn strikes again. Argh.
Wed, 2004-11-17 01:48
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Originally posted by Hailey:
[b]Why is a heterosexual woman viewing the vaginas of other women in magazines? That's more baffling to me than her awareness that her body is different from the cultural ideals portrayed.[/b]
well, i guess she needed a way to see if she was "normal" or not. a receptionist isn't gonna have access to a medical textbook or medical journals. the easiest and prolly only thing she could get her hands on in order to compare herself happened to be porn, sadly. i don't think she was looking at it to get off....
Wed, 2004-11-17 02:25
#27
Since they seem to have entirely run out of external female body parts to cosmetically "improve" thru surgery, I wonder if they'll move on next to internal organs?
Will we be seeing procedures to smooth out excessively wrinkled intestines? To fix improperly shaped gall bladders? To remove unsightly discolorations on the surface of the liver?
The possibilities are endless.
Wed, 2004-11-17 04:06
#28
This game offers a chance to help someone
get an important organ -
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[ 17 November 2004: Message edited by: yankcanuck ]
Wed, 2004-11-17 04:31
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"So I had a labiaplasty and now I love the way I look; nice and neat and new. My vagina looks perfect."
Q’uQ!! I certainly agree she has the right to change herself around as she sees fit. But yIDoghQo'!!! Given how sensitive those areas are on a women, don't that kinda, like, hurt big time!? Must have been expensive too.
Seems to me there's a fine line between genital 'enhancement" and genital mutilation.
Strange things ye humans do at times!
Wed, 2004-11-17 07:26
#30
Doesn't EVERYBODY who wants to know what a normal woman looks like consult a porn magazine?
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Wed, 2004-11-17 08:11
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I seem to recall reading, many years ago, about a groundbreaking procedure by which an artificial hymen could be "re-created" for women. Presumably, it was "buy one, and we'll throw in the white wedding dress for free!"
Mr Magoo, that site also offers reconstructions of the hymen.
We do it mainly for our annual midsummer's night festival of the renewing of our virginity.
Wed, 2004-11-17 08:18
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Originally posted by Zoot:
[b]Goddam right he should! Self-absorbed fuck! [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
Yeah, the only thing that'll fix that marriage is a big fat DIVORCE. There's no way he will ever be able to take something like that back, she'll always know that he doesn't really love her, and he's obviously a great big asshole anyhow.
If you're going to have surgery, honey, have a rectumectomy - get rid of the 190 lb asshole you're dragging around.
Wed, 2004-11-17 11:20
#33
Hailey: Lots of women look at porn, for lots of reasons.
Wed, 2004-11-17 11:25
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Timebandit
Michelle -- [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 17 November 2004: Message edited by: Zoot ]
Wed, 2004-11-17 11:54
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remind
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Yeah, the only thing that'll fix that marriage is a big fat DIVORCE. There's no way he will ever be able to take something like that back, she'll always know that he doesn't really love her, and he's obviously a great big asshole anyhow.
If you're going to have surgery, honey, have a rectumectomy - get rid of the 190 lb asshole you're dragging around.[/b]
Your absolutely right, a women I know had a vaginal opening tuck years ago, as her later to be husband (yuck) felt that she was "too big" because of the birth of her 1 child though she had not even torn during the birth. Ran into her at a funeral I went to recently, and she finally got rid of him, though not until she said that she reached the point that she would not let him look at her face, let alone touch her sexually.
However, it took her 15 years or so years to get to the realization he was an asshole.
Wed, 2004-11-17 12:03
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Originally posted by skdadl:
[b]Mr Magoo, that site also offers reconstructions of the hymen.
We do it mainly for our annual midsummer's night festival of the renewing of our virginity.[/b]
Wasn't the procedure developed to assist babblers desperate to re-instate their BWAGA membership ?
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Wed, 2004-11-17 13:10
#37
Gee I thought it was for 'The born again Virgins' wannabees.
Wed, 2004-11-17 13:13
#38
Well, either way, it's an experience we all look forward to going through again and again and again ... Not!
Wed, 2004-11-17 13:31
#39
I'm surprised some parents didn't enquire about having hymens grafted onto their son's hands.
"Honest mom and dad, it's not what you think... I was holding a fishing rod is all..."
Mon, 2004-11-22 14:17
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Another cosmetic surgery--vaginal rejuvenation--is also rising. It entails tightening the vaginal and perineum area, often stretched during childbirth. Some doctors also claim it increases sexual pleasure for both partners."I've had women who come in and say to me, 'He's small can you tighten me up'" said Matlock, who said he performed between 40 to 60 vaginal cosmetic surgeries a month in his Beverly Hills practice, charging around $5,000 for a labiaplasty. He said he grosses $250,000 a month performing these surgeries and noted he has had women come in from all over the world for vaginal cosmetic surgery.
I read this and it made me furious! I needed stitches after the birth of my first child and the ob/gyn had the nerve to say, as he was stitching me,"We'll make you nice and tight for your husband" and guess what he did! Too tight, and when I went to him some months after to tell him that there was something wrong, he had the nerve to tell me "That's how you are supposed to be after you have a baby." Thankfully, I didn't listen to him and went to a female gynecologist who used cortisone injections in the scar tissue, which worked after a few treatments, otherwise it would have resulted in surgery to correct. I don't think we should ever let any man, gynecologist, plastic surgeon, or husband, tell us we need to be "nice and tight".
Mon, 2004-11-22 14:37
#41
Don't worry... tightness doesn't matter, just like size doesn't matter. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]
Mon, 2004-11-22 14:44
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Originally posted by Carla:
[b]I read this and it made me furious! [/b]
Good day, Carla, and welcome to Babble. I hope not everything you read here raises your blood pressure!
Mon, 2004-11-22 15:24
#43
Welcome Carla! I'm so sorry that happened to you [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
Mon, 2004-11-22 15:35
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he's obviously a great big asshole anyhow.
Oh, I see now. I thought you said he [i]had[/i] a great big asshole.
Then i thought the doc could sew that up as well, a two-for-one thingy.
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:02
#45
Timebandit
Hi, Carla, welcome to Babble!
What an awful experience. I hope you reported him to the College of Physicians and Surgeons... Not that they'd actually DO anything about it.
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:20
#46
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Originally posted by Zoot:
[b]I hope you reported him to the College of Physicians and Surgeons... Not that they'd actually DO anything about it.[/b]
I don't know about that...
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[url=http://www.cpso.on.ca/Info_Public/Dis_sum/disc_km.htm]Dr. Kernerman repeatedly behaved in an inappropriate and/or sexually suggestive manner to female staff and visitors at hospitals and a clinic where he worked. The Committee revoked Dr. Kernerman's certificate of registration. [/url]
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[url=http://www.cpso.on.ca/Info_Public/Dis_sum/disc_km.htm]LAMBERT, David S., Scarborough. In September 1991, the Discipline Committee found Dr. Lambert guilty of professional misconduct, in that he engaged in disgraceful, dishonourable or unprofessional conduct for having made a series of derogatory and demeaning comments of a sexual nature to patients. The Committee ordered a recorded reprimand and a six-month suspension of Dr. Lambert's certificate of registration.[/url]
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[url=http://www.cpso.on.ca/Info_Public/Dis_sum/disc_km.htm]Dr. Leatherdale made inappropriate comments to one patient to whom he had been providing counselling, and he treated her in an unprofessional manner causing her to terminate the doctor-patient relationship. With respect to a second patient, he used improper language in her presence, and made inappropriate comments during the course of an appointment. The Committee ordered a recorded reprimand, and a three-month suspension of Dr. Leatherdale’s certificate of registration, one month of which will be suspended provided he meets specified conditions. Dr. Leatherdale is also to pay the College’s costs fixed in the amount of $2,500.[/url]
[url=http://www.cpso.on.ca/Info_Public/Dis_sum/disc_sumtoc.htm]A ton more of them here.[/url]
[ 22 November 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:24
#47
Gah...I just saw a horrific case involving my childhood physician. Holy crap.
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:28
#48
I had a similar experience Carla after the birth of my first child.
The doctor told me he would sew me up nice and tight and make me like a virgin agian.
( I was a single mom )
Turns out he botched it royally and I had to have two surgeries afterward to fix the problem.
I hate male ob-gyns
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:40
#49
you know when i first read the title of this thread; I thought it was regarding women who have surgery to replace their Hymen's so that there husbands think they are virgins when they marry.
I'm not saying that this isn't ridiculous and sad...but its not surprising. The male equivalent (penis enlargements) is widely advertised all the time.
Ultimately we should be making sure that plastic surgeons make sure to properly enlighten people on "normalcy" and "beauty" and particularly the dangers of any form of surgery.
Mon, 2004-11-22 16:52
#50
penile enhancement not quite the same thing
Men are disuaded and rightly so from the surgical technique and pills and creams don't generally result in disfigurement or loss of feeling.
Also men are not told their penis doesn't look right or that it should be different.
Funny how all "enhancement" surgeries result in a loss of feeling and often pain for the woman and yet there is great encouragement to have it done.
I guess there still exists the thought that sex is for men and women aren't meant to enjoy it just provide it at any cost.
Mon, 2004-11-22 17:20
#51
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Also men are not told their penis doesn't look right or that it should be different.
Actually, that's not true at all.
I've been actively engaged in peer sex education on campus (this is my second year volonteering), and the judging by the questions from dozens of young men I've spoken to (not to even getting into personal experience and circles of friends) -they certainly feel as if it should look a certain way, be certain size, be circumsized...etc.
Now the difference here is that because I'd run into this (health services is a very female dominanted and almostly entierly oriented towards questions regarding women) - we have added a section on "penis particulars" to address these types of questions.
With this article, perhaps we should be looking to add an equivalent for the vagina. If anyone has any resources on this question could you PM me with the links/references?