What a gun doesn't do...
Thu, 2005-04-14 20:59
#1
What a gun doesn't do...
Thu, 2005-04-14 20:59
#2
Just watched an article on CFCN out of Calgary.
Apparently something like 50 bald eagles have been found dying or dead recently.
Suspected cause?
All indications are poison used by ranchers to kill gophers.
I've tried to find a link to an online story, but so far Google and Yahoo haven't turned up one.
Anyone else with better luck, I think it's worth posting.
Mentioned this because it came up recently in another thread about firearms.
Thu, 2005-04-14 22:43
#3
I saw something last month on eagle killings in BC on the cbc, read more here.
[url=http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_eagles-suspect...
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:08
#4
I'll tell you what a gun does do.
Kill eagles. And elephants. And pandas. And people. And anything else that has life on land.
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:11
#5
I am not going through another stupid 220 post thread about gun control. So without further adieu(sp)
Mushroom Caps For Your Pleassure
3 slices bacon, cooked, drained, crumbled
1/3 c. shredded sharp Cheddar cheese
1/2 tsp. chopped chives
1/8 tsp. salt
12 med. size mushroom caps, washed, dried
1/4 c. melted butter
Combine bacon with cheese, chives and salt. Dip mushroom caps in butter and place on broiler pan. Fill each cap with a rounded teaspoon of bacon-cheese mixture. Place tops of mushrooms 4 inches from broiling unit. Broil for 6 to 8 minutes. Yield: 12 mushroom caps.
Nice fairly quick and can bring to your vegetarian friends parties.
Oops just noticed the bacon..scratch the bacon and sub tofu bacon and you are all set [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Cheers
[ 14 April 2005: Message edited by: thorin_bane ]
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:13
#6
That sounds pretty good thorin, maybe I will try that Saturday
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:19
#7
Oooooh. That recipe sounds great. Printed and going to be tried on the weekend [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:19
#8
Boom Boom
Neat recipe. What's it doing here?
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:26
#9
babble tradition holds that if a thread appears to have been started for the sole purpose of starting a flame war based on a long-ago-exhausted subject, then it's time to start sharing recipes.
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:27
#10
Boom Boom
I didn't know that! Sounds like a good tradition to keep.
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:34
#11
Let me get this straight: Mushrooms, cheese, AND bacon. All in the same dish?!?
Thank you thorin_bane. Thank you very much.
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:39
#12
Your all welcome It comes from my new book.
"308 interesting recipes to put out fire!"
Avalaible at Amazon and used bookstore everywhere.
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:42
#13
quote:
Originally posted by thorin_bane:
[b]I am not going through another stupid 220 post thread about gun control. So without further adieu(sp)Mushroom Caps For Your Pleassure
3 slices bacon, cooked, drained, crumbled
1/3 c. shredded sharp Cheddar cheese
1/2 tsp. chopped chives
1/8 tsp. salt
12 med. size mushroom caps, washed, dried
1/4 c. melted butterCombine bacon with cheese, chives and salt. Dip mushroom caps in butter and place on broiler pan. Fill each cap with a rounded teaspoon of bacon-cheese mixture. Place tops of mushrooms 4 inches from broiling unit. Broil for 6 to 8 minutes. Yield: 12 mushroom caps.
Nice fairly quick and can bring to your vegetarian friends parties.
Oops just noticed the bacon..scratch the bacon and sub tofu bacon and you are all set [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Cheers[ 14 April 2005: Message edited by: thorin_bane ][/b]
Can you substitute some Olive Oil for the butter?
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:44
#14
I suppose but it would alter the taste a bit. I leave it to ou to see how that will turn out. YOu could try peanut oil for a little different taste(as long as no one you know has peanut allergy)
Thu, 2005-04-14 23:52
#15
Does anyone know good veggie recipes for stuffed mushrumps? The Co-op has had some big guys in stock lately (they never have big enough funghi for stuffing, so this week has been unusual) and I'd like to try them out.
Fri, 2005-04-15 00:43
#16
Vegan or vegetarian?
I did not fail to notice the irony of someone who is against guns posting a carnivore recipe... [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2005-04-15 01:09
#17
Yeah, you're right.
Who cares!
[img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2005-04-15 01:16
#18
quote:
Vegan or vegetarian?
I'm not fussy, just as long as the ingredients don't have parents.
Fri, 2005-04-15 01:21
#19
Stuffed Mushroom Caps
20 large button mushrooms
1 piece bread (I recommend some variety of white or rye, not whole wheat or multigrain, because of the bran flakes)
1 large clove garlic
1-2 tbs blue cheese
1 tbs butter (yeah, olive oil would probably work, I wouldn't use margarine)
2 tbs cream
Take the stems off the mushrooms.
Blend the stems and all other ingredients except the mushrooms and butter in a food processor.
Cook with the butter for 10 minutes on medium-high.
Fill the mushrooms with the filling (not too full), and either bake until tender in a pre-heated 500+ oven, broil until done to your satisfaction, or carefully fry on the stovetop.
If you want a more 'chunky blue' experience, crumble the cheese into the mixture after cooking.
Edited to add three things:
1. Forgot 'salt and pepper to taste' in the filling. Be careful with this if you're adding the blue cheese later, but I'm fairly generaous with salt, since IMO stuffed mushroom caps should be salty (gives you a reason to drink more champagne or gingerale or whatever's your poison). And remember that pepper should be added last, otherwise it gets bitter.
2. The point of cooking the filling is to a) make the mushroom cap puree more tender, b) combine the flavours, and c) remove excess moisture by sweating the cap puree and reducing the cream. Therefore cook the mixture until it's fairly dry.
3. Don't use prepared bread crumbs, use an actual piece of bread.
[ 15 April 2005: Message edited by: Anchoress ]
Fri, 2005-04-15 01:28
#20
For areal simple vegan dish, try making up some of the Fantastic Foods Tofu scramble mix, and use it as the stuffing. Bake at about 400єF until it browns.
Adding some parmesan to the top is nice too if you don't mind dairy.
Fri, 2005-04-15 01:51
#21
" posted 14 April 2005 11:08 PM
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I'll tell you what a gun does do.
Kill eagles. And elephants. And pandas. And people. And anything else that has life on land. "
Papal_Bull forgot one. One BIG one.
Guns also PROTECT lives.
(Lives that can create recipes.)
Yawn.
Fri, 2005-04-15 03:50
#22
A gun that protects a life is invariably against another human armed with one as well. Troll on denner. Or fly away monkey fly away. *Places stuffed mushrooms in the end of denners guns* [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]
My Brother in law makes some pretty mean vegan dishes. I was surprised how good his pizza was. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 15 April 2005: Message edited by: thorin_bane ]
Fri, 2005-04-15 03:51
#23
quote:
Originally posted by m0nkyman:
[b]Vegan or vegetarian?I did not fail to notice the irony of someone who is against guns posting a carnivore recipe... [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
Being against guns and being against unrestricted ownership and use of all types of guns are two entirely different things, that only a simpleton would conflate. I assume that's not what you meant.
Creamy Roast Garlic & Brie Soup
(measurements approximate - I usually wing it)
2 bulbs garlic
1 tbsp dried thyme
1 tbsp dried oregano
2 medium onions
2 yams
3 sticks celery
3 large carrots
~1 cup flour (no more)
~400 ml Brie (or any creamy cheese)
`6 tbsp olive oil
8 cups water
salt & pepper to taste
1 big saucepan or soup pot
1 small roasting pan with a cover
1 hand blender (is possible)
Preheat oven to 325F
Break garlic into individual cloves (do not peel). Dump both bulbs into the roasting pan, sprinkle with 2 tbsp olive oil.
Place garlic in oven for 20 minutes, covered.
After 20 minutes are done, remove from oven and let cool.
Meanwhile...
Chop the onions and place them in the soup pan, in the remaining 4 tbsp olive oil, on medium heat and sautee.
Chop the Brie into small (1-2 cm) cubes.
Chop the rest of the veggies. Leave the yams a bit bigger, but chop everything fairly small.
Once the onions are fully sauteed, toss in the rest of the veggies and sautee them as well.
Cook, stirring occasionally, for ~5 minutes.
Once the oil covers all of the veggies evenly, slowly stir in the flour - stir constantly. As soon as all of the flour is saturated with oil, pour in the water - top up until the pot is about 80% full.
Bring the pot to a boil.
Meanwhile...
Peel the roasted garlic cloves and place them in the blender.
Once the soup is boiling, reduce heat and simmer. Take out 2 cups of the liquid, and put it in the blender with the garlic. Puree, and stir back into the soup.
Slowly stir in the Brie. Stir constantly, make sure it all melts.
Once it is all melted, you have soup. It is even better if you leave it in the fridge overnight for some reason.
Fri, 2005-04-15 06:45
#24
quote:
I'm not fussy, just as long as the ingredients don't have parents.
Would it be too much of a quibble to point out that plants have parents too.
Fri, 2005-04-15 07:30
#25
quote:
Originally posted by maestro:
[b]Would it be too much of a quibble to point out that plants have parents too.[/b]
Yeah, but they're not very good parents.
Fri, 2005-04-15 07:41
#26
Mel Hurtig says: [b]"In 1996, two people were killed by handguns in New Zealand. In Japan, the number was 15, followed by 31 in the U.K., 106 in Canada, 211 in Germany. In the United States, in the same year, 9,390 people were killed by handguns. Around 35000 deaths are caused by firearms in the U.S. each year. The *FBI says there are around a half a million gun related incidents each year."[/b](*The Economist, April 4, 1998)
I think it's important to continue pointing out what's wrong in the U.S. because we have politicians in this country who've been selling us out to American corporate interests for a while now. At the rate we're going, we won't be able to tell the diff between this country and that one. I don't want to have to carry a handgun because the rich/corporations want to avoid paying taxes. All we have to do is look at the US and its closest influential neighbors, El Salvador, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala and Haiti to see what we don't want for Canada.
[ 15 April 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ]
Fri, 2005-04-15 08:54
#27
The biggest reason there is so much gun violence in the US isn't their gun control laws (or lack thereof), it's because they have so many people that think like Denner.
Fri, 2005-04-15 12:51
#28
quote:
Originally posted by Anchoress:
[b]Yeah, but they're not very good parents.[/b]
Just who, exactly, are you to judge? My father was a rhododendron and he raised me lovingly.
[ 15 April 2005: Message edited by: Kinetix ]
Fri, 2005-04-15 14:29
#29
"it's because they have so many people that think like Denner."
Good-then there's hope for the U.S., yet.
(At least they have "people that think." )
I didn't ALWAYS think like this. Canada's Gov't-and it's 'indifference' to a person's Self-defence-TAUGHT IT TO ME.
"A gun that protects a life is invariably against another human armed with one as well."
An untruth, particularly in Canada. (Lie on, buddy.)
"Troll on."??
Anyone who OPPOSES your thoughts/opinions is a "troll" right? (Would that be like in 'gun CON-troll'?
Such a dreamer.
Fri, 2005-04-15 14:31
#30
"My father was a rhododendron and he raised me lovingly."
Wha..you're a 'flower child'...? (Are you still...blossoming out..?)
Just kidding.
Sat, 2005-04-16 13:55
#31
What a ranunculus.
quote:
Would it be too much of a quibble to point out that plants have parents too.
Yes.
Sat, 2005-04-16 14:14
#32
"The *FBI says there are around a half a million gun related incidents each year."(*The Economist, April 4, 1998)"
Yeah? And how many of those are in the interests of "Self-defence"
And MOST of the "35000" they mentioned were Suicides, which are pretty hard to prevent-gun or no gun-as at least one study on King COunty Seattle, versus Vancouver, B.C. in '99 has shown us.
(for example, see also Japan's suicide rate.)
Sat, 2005-04-16 15:02
#33
Denner, post your stats please. And yes, pro-gun people are generally offensive trolls (see Springer)
Sat, 2005-04-16 17:13
#34
quote:
Originally posted by stargazer:
[b]Denner, post your stats please. And yes, pro-gun people are generally offensive trolls (see Springer)[/b]
[img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2005-04-16 19:40
#35
stargazer;
In Fidel's post the "economist" says: "*FBI says there are around a half a million gun related incidents each year."(*The Economist, April 4, 1998)
The U.S.Bureau of Justice stats says that; "in 1992, offenders armed with HANDGUNS committed a record 931,000 VIOLENT crimes."
For starters the two of them appear to completely SKEW/CONTRADICT one another right there!
Just below that mention, same page,in the U.S BoJ findings, there are the Self-Defence with Firearm (6 year study)numbers (which show conclusively that IF one is going to try to defend oneself or property, one is MUCH BETTER OFF when using a firearm to do so.)
"Http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/hvfsdaft.txt"
That should give you; "Victimization, Firearms SelfDefense and Firearms Theft"...then click on "About source data."
Note the line; "On average in 1987-92 about 83,000 crime victims per year used a firearm (doesn't say 'handguns only'=denner)to defend themselves or their property."
Note also that Firearm Thefts COULD be considered "gun incidents"-depending on who is doing the 'stats'. It shows that there were 341,000 incidents of Firearm Theft occurred per year, 1987-92 ("53% of the thefts handguns were stolen.)
And on the Disastercenter.com charts, I did the '
math on 1997 (a year after the 'Economist' mention-and I had done this some time ago)
They showed a TOTAL of 14,817 Homicides in the U.S. (Total of ALL firearms Homicides, not just the Handgun Homicides shown by the 'Economist'.(1996) shows.
They also show a TOTAL of 15,408 Firearm Suicides that SAME year ('97)
Now, Homicides (Total and firearm) have been steadily DROPPING throughout the United States during the last 6-7 years. (I haven't checked on their F.A. Suicide rate as of late, PERHAPS it has dropped as well?)
But this DOES give ME 'some idea' about things like that...
As I am too 'lazy' (time problems) to do the math there for 1996-I will leave that to you. (Just do a search on Disastercenter.com-you'll probably have to add up the numbers in each state-as I did)
re 'Japan Suicides'-I wasn't actually referring to 'stats'-just recent Newspaper Headlines:
'the Vancouver Sun, Saturday, July 24, pg A19':
"Health, Finances Drive Suicides to All Time Record In Japan"
"Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the Industrailized World. In recent years, it has recorded about 19.5 suicides for every 100,000 people annually, compared to 12 in Canada"
But you can go to:
'http://www.japanupdate.com/en/?id=4843' for a similar picture.
RE 'Vancouver/vs/King County Suicides, I will have to try to find the link-the one I have on the pages I've printed out doesn't get me there anymore...
Finally, go to;
'http://www.ojp.usboj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/frmdth.htm' to compare 'F.A. Suicides vs F.A. Homicides' over several years
I trust you have LOTS of time?
As for 'Springer'? Seems like a very knowledgeable fellow, particularly when it comes to the subject of 'Gun Control'
IF he's a 'troll' he seems to have lasted QUITE a long time on these boards...
Sat, 2005-04-16 21:50
#36
quote:
The research has shown that when other factors are held constant, the gun death rises in proportion to the rate of gun ownership. One study found a 92% correlation between households with guns and firearm death rates both within Canada and in comparable industrialized countries.Other studies show that increased risks are associated with keeping guns in the home:
Homicide of a family member is 2.7 times more likely to occur in a home with a firearm than in homes without guns. Keeping one or more firearms was associated with a 4.8 fold increased risk of suicide in the home.
The risks increase, particularly for adolescents, where the guns are kept loaded and unlocked.
[url=http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html]Guns and Crime[/url]
Hmm....well, I guess all the criminology classes in the world are not good enough. More guns = greater safety! Who would have known!!
Sat, 2005-04-16 22:13
#37
quote:
Originally posted by stargazer:
[b]Denner, post your stats please. And yes, pro-gun people are generally offensive trolls (see Springer)[/b]
For the record, Springer is just a confused conservative, he's not a troll [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2005-04-16 22:14
#38
[img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Yes I know.
Sun, 2005-04-17 00:09
#39
most people live in the city....i hate to say these words again and again....but....DIGITTALLY RECORD AND ARCHIVE CERTAIN AREAS....streets, sidewalks, parking lots, parks...any public areas....
Sun, 2005-04-17 03:22
#40
Yes, and cigarettes don't cause cancer either. Watch out for kids with handguns and driveby's if these guys have their way. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
The point is that the Yanks are number one in homicides by gun play, bar none. That they have more violent crimes is a reflection of their lack of social safety nets. The new social contract in America is to warehouse the poor in what has become the largest gulag state in the world, bar none. Add lax gun laws to all of the economic Darwinism happening down there, and they've got some of the unsafest streets in the world in Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington and New Orleans, probably the easiest place to be shot to death over any small matter of ten dollars or less in your pocket.
Hurtig mentions a police officer in New York who emigrated there from Beirut. He commented that in Beirut where violence was common while growing up, people were killed for various explainable reasons. In NYC, he marvels how people have been shot to death for the sake of $5 dollars. It made no sense to him. Me either.
[ 17 April 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ]
Sun, 2005-04-17 03:37
#41
Sigh, hasn't mikey moores doc done enough to quell the whole 'gun control is needed' debate? The culture is the problem not the laws.
I have no problem with the gun laws. In the event of a revolution, or a fascist turn(which could happen within the next gen) the liberal gun laws are good things to fall back on. Particularly for people who are against the state, unlike many here.
Sun, 2005-04-17 03:55
#42
Maybe you're right, Vig. The workers in Santiago knew what was about to happen and demanded rifles from Allende's government. Allende refused on the grounds that he didn't want to be responsible for the ensuing bloodshed. The socialists might have had a chance against fascism then.
Sun, 2005-04-17 15:18
#43
From Stargazer,
"guns and crime"?
WHAT? You would lead us to a biased antigun site which is reliant to a VERY RABIDLY CONTROL OBSESSED LIBERAL minion-(Wendy Cukier)???
Look-that WHOLE quote you've given COMPLETELY avoids the AMOUNT OF LIVES/property being PROTECTED by guns!
The sites I use have HARDLY been 'pro-gun' sites, namely 'Disastercenter', 'U.S.BoJ.',
'Areaconnect', the 'Japanupdate'...if you'd like I COULD send you to 'biased PROGUN sites' like say, 'The NRA','The Second Amendment Sisters', 'Gunnutz.com', etc....(and then YOU could send ME to 'the Brady Bunch', Millionmomsmarch, etc...and we'll get absolutely NOWHERE!!)
I'm NOT saying one can't gain SOME knowledge from those 'biased arenas', but one has to be CAREFUL!
Someone else here said something to the effect of; "Watch out for children with guns and drive bys'" if 'we' "get our way"
Well, in Canada, 'we' haven't got our way..and guess what? 'we' DO have "children with guns and drive bys".....at least in MY area....!
Sun, 2005-04-17 18:23
#44
Give it up. Please.
Sun, 2005-04-17 18:53
#45
"Give it up. Please. "
Now WHY on earth should I wish to succumb to 'tunnelvision', just because YOU have?
Sun, 2005-04-17 20:03
#46
Timebandit
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
[b]Does anyone know good veggie recipes for stuffed mushrumps? The Co-op has had some big guys in stock lately (they never have big enough funghi for stuffing, so this week has been unusual) and I'd like to try them out.[/b]
Here's a recipe I've tried and enjoyed:
[url=http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/recipe_views/views/11758?epiSearchPage... Mushrooms with Sun-Dried Tomato[/url]
Tue, 2005-04-19 02:04
#47
Hmmmn...I've come to notice something....does anyone recall, back when we were children, how some children used to try to shut other kids up, by loudly yelling: "Yayayayaya...." whenever the other kid tried to speak?
Some folks on this board (and other boards) show a 'dead-on' similarity to this, with this 'recipe' thing...but, DO 'carry on'-it only "shows you up"...for "what you are"...
(And, is it not similar to 'trolling' as well...?)
Aside, if you REALLY find no use for what some of us are arguing/conversing about here...isn't it much easier to NOT bother reading-or even REPLYING to-it/them?
(That 'recipe' works for ME-on some/many boards
anyway...)
Oh well, "To each-his own."
Sun, 2007-08-05 15:40
#48
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
[b]\The point is that the Yanks are number one in homicides by gun play, bar none.
[ 17 April 2005: Message edited by: Fidel ][/b]
Actually...
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Intlhomrate.svg... The Seventh United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (1998 - 2000) [url=http://www.unodc.org/unodc/crime_cicp_survey_seventh.html]http://www.uno...
Sun, 2007-08-05 15:48
#49
Oh. Almost forgot...
Eagle fried in a little butter and garlic. Tastes like a mix of Whooping Crane and Snowy Owl. (relax... it's a joke) [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Mon, 2007-08-06 08:01
#50
Umm you still got it wrong. It is number 1 amongst developed nations. But I guess if you consider many of those countries are in civil wars I guess that really does say a lot about the company the US keeps.
Mon, 2007-08-06 14:20
#51
Judging by that graph, U.S. homicide rates don't seem to stand out so much when compared with developing world shitholes. Clever. The feds in Ottawa should publish a similar graph to silence those loud mouths in the UN chiding us for our lousy first world child poverty rates for over a decade.
[url=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm]Firearm related deaths < 15 yrs of age - 26 industrialized countries 1990-95[/url]
[img]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/00001168.gif[/img]
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Countries where right-wing puppets of the U.S. still rule the roost are not included
[ 06 August 2007: Message edited by: Fidel ]