Harper will involve Canada in Iran war?
Wed, 2007-03-07 15:38
#1
Frustrated Mess
Harper will involve Canada in Iran war?
Wed, 2007-03-07 15:38
#2
Frustrated Mess
quote:
The latest U.S. gambit is to prepare bomb attacks against Iran on the pretext Tehran is making bombs for Shiite militia operating in Iraq, and supplying Hezbollah in Lebanon. This would have the effect of broadening the war in Iraq to include making war on Iran, as another part of the war on terrorism.The American political system will be sorely tested to deal with such an outlaw action: the Democrats are timid. American allies will be called upon to support the further insanity of an attack on Iran. The Stephen Harper Conservatives can be counted on to lend vocal assistance.
[url=http://www.rabble.ca/politics.shtml?x=57553]Another phony threat[/url]
I suspect Harper's support of an attack on Iran and potential wider war in the middle-east will be more than just vocal. I suspect Harper will want to prove he is a murderous nut cake in the same league as Bush and Dick. Any other thoughts?
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:14
#3
The article that FM posted referenced vocal support by Harper.
Vocal support is one thing but my real concern is military support. I really wonder though if Canada could support militarily.
While I do not want Canada to support any attack on Iran. If support has to be had I would rather it be vocal.
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:18
#4
He'd friggin' well better not.
And if he tries, I certainly hope we'll see the same level of protesting we saw when Chretien had to make a decision on whether to get involved in Iraq.
Furthermore, the NDP and the Liberals and the Bloc better be screaming bloody murder over it if Harper tries, otherwise there isn't much point in HAVING opposition parties.
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:18
#5
Frustrated Mess
Me too. But I suspect the US republicans will demand Harper put up and he will.
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:33
#6
If Harper commits us to a war with Iran I am pretty sure Canadians will protest enmasse. Whether that stops that arrogant ass or not? I hope we don't have to find out.
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:35
#7
Cueball
quote:
Originally posted by miles:
[b]The article that FM posted referenced vocal support by Harper.Vocal support is one thing but my real concern is military support. I really wonder though if Canada could support militarily.
While I do not want Canada to support any attack on Iran. If support has to be had I would rather it be vocal.[/b]
Would you make that kind of circumspect analysis, were we talking about Iran, and Amdinejdad's saber rattling, or would you put a more dire spin on it?
Wed, 2007-03-07 17:43
#8
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
If Harper commits us to a war with Iran I am pretty sure Canadians will protest enmasse. Whether that stops that arrogant ass or not? I hope we don't have to find out.
I hope so too. But rather suspect we will find those protests completely unreported in the media -- as per what happened to the millions of American protesters against the Iraq invasion.
Wed, 2007-03-07 19:57
#9
M. Spector
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]If Harper commits us to a war with Iran I am pretty sure Canadians will protest enmasse.[/b]
Just as they are doing now over Afghanistan?
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ETA: does this look familiar?
[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=002236]H... to involve Canada in illegal war against Iran?[/url]
[ 07 March 2007: Message edited by: M. Spector ]
Wed, 2007-03-07 21:49
#10
laine lowe
To be fair, the Canadian public in general was swept up with the emotional trauma projected by the US after 9-11 to think straight and/or take major issue. The same can be said of Europe. The US spin masters were pretty good at milking sympathy in the aftermath of the attacks. It was hard to get people to the few demos that were mounted.
I think it took the Iraq debacle to actually wipe away the empathetic blinders for many. But my biggest fear is that acceptance has now replaced outrage. Somehow, many have now become imune to the fact that pre-emptive wars are illegal and morally reprehensible. Will the shock of Iraq behind us but still lingering like a festering wound be enough to make the public think twice about attacking Iran? I certainly hope so because I can't see Harper condeming such action. Vocal support is just as bad as military support. The only difference is that Canadian lives are saved but not those of the Iranians.
Wed, 2007-03-07 22:13
#11
M. Spector
quote:
Originally posted by laine lowe:
[b]To be fair, the Canadian public in general was swept up with the emotional trauma projected by the US after 9-11 to think straight and/or take major issue. The same can be said of Europe. The US spin masters were pretty good at milking sympathy in the aftermath of the attacks. It was hard to get people to the few demos that were mounted.[/b]
Quite the contrary. There were massive Canadian demonstrations leading up to and just after the start of the Iraq war.
But for a war in which Canada has been participating for over 5 years - in Afghanistan - there have been only sporadic protests and modest participation rates.
Wed, 2007-03-07 22:23
#12
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]He'd friggin' well better not.And if he tries, I certainly hope we'll see the same level of protesting we saw when Chretien had to make a decision on whether to get involved in Iraq.
Furthermore, the NDP and the Liberals and the Bloc better be screaming bloody murder over it if Harper tries, otherwise there isn't much point in HAVING opposition parties.[/b]
Well, this IS a minority government. Just take it down.
Thu, 2007-03-08 23:05
#13
Harper will not put us in a war...the ruling elite from Canada will.
Harper is just thier elected spokesmen...
you watch ... the liberals and the ndp and the bq will all join along, one way or another....
Sun, 2007-03-18 08:34
#14
I doubt it. The Canadian electorate would never support such a move and if Harper does as the worst case scenario predicts he will be out faster than Joe Clark.
Sun, 2007-03-18 09:03
#15
Harper as well as the elite know well that if outraged the people would massively protest. They also know well that people will not go on massively protesting and that democratic popular resistance will fizzle and life goes on.
By the measure of yesterday's demos, the Libs and the Cons must be laughing their heads off, if not preparing for the next outrageous action.
Sun, 2007-03-18 09:22
#16
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]He'd friggin' well better not... Furthermore, the NDP and the Liberals and the Bloc better be screaming bloody murder over it if Harper tries, otherwise there isn't much point in HAVING opposition parties.[/b]
I wouldn't necesarily count on Liberal opposition. Many Liberal MPs were furious about Chretien's decision on Iraq at the time (later they flip-flopped). Dion is already doing some sabre-rattling on Iran:
quote:
[url=http://taylorscollon.blogspot.com/2007/02/dion-on-israel-middle-east.htm... the current Iranian government threatens to "wipe Israel off the map," we can have no illusions about the seriousness of that threat, and the need to confront it.[/url]
Sun, 2007-03-18 09:40
#17
That was prior to the Iraq war. I don't think any party could announce support for a war with Iran and be reelected. The Politicians know how the stroke their based. With Iran, there base would be 99% of Canadians.
Sun, 2007-03-18 12:59
#18
harper is bought and paid for by the Trilateral people,the same ones who have infiltrated the Executive Branch of the U.S. Government.They seem to now realize that militaristic forced democracy has been the failure of the millenium,and now are talking social responsibility. I do not beleive that the Trilateral people will allow bush/harper to get that far,I can see the unfortunate demise [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img] of all the faith/militaristic based people who insist on jeopradizeing the Trilateral Commissions ultimate goal.Which is the takeover of Governments by the global corporate elite.In Canada they WANT this to be by 2010, would it not make for great world coverage to announce that at the Vancouver Olympics [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]