The anti-abortion, religious right on facebook.
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:36
#1
The anti-abortion, religious right on facebook.
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:36
#2
I don't know if any of you cares, but i found it very disturbing that the anti-choice people are mobilizing their power and number to argue the most popular wish to ban abortion.
The CBC is behind this popular wish contest, the number one wish might receive air time to show their case. I am angry and I am worried that the number one wish would be to ban abortion because that’s what the trend is going at the moment. The second most popular wish is to bring Jesus Christ back to Canada, this is insane. Does any of you know anything about this, or does it matter to you?
If you care, you can set up an account on here, without giving any real private information and tell your friends about it. I don't know what's going on in facebook.
The grea Canadian wish list
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/wish/faq.html]http://www.cbc.ca/wish/faq.html[/url]
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[url=http://yorku.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2392827649]http://yorku.facebook...
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:44
#3
Maysie
I think this is being discussed, or not, somewhere else but I can't find the link.
As for this:
quote:
bring Jesus Christ back to Canada
[img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
"Back to Canada"? "BACK"?!?! What, he left his toothbrush here last time?
And why? He needs to check out the new rides at Canada's Wonderland?
[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:47
#4
I didn't know Jesus had been IN Canada. That would've been a long trip way back when!
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:50
#5
Maysie
Plus, he's like, 2000 years old now. I don't think the present government supports non-Canadian seniors coming here to live off our health care system! [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:55
#6
Polly B
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
[b]....the present government supports non-Canadian seniors coming here to live off our health care system.... [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
C'mon on now, it's Harper! He would probably just love to see Jesus come and live off the health care system. Give him an honorary citizenship or something.
Thu, 2007-05-31 12:59
#7
I recall a very applicable quote from when the Modern Library tried to put together a list of the best novels of the 20th century. "Readers" voted books by L. Ron Hubbard and Ayn Rand into seven of the top ten spots (including [i]Atlas Shrugged[/i] as #1).
One librarian described the ballot boxes as being "stuffed by cultists".
Thu, 2007-05-31 13:29
#8
Red partisan,
I think people are very surprises when they find out the mainstream population is not like their close circle of friends. In this case, there are a whole lot of christian social conservatives out there, just not so many in the canadian mainstream media and canadian academia and among the close personal friends of people who post on rabble.
I think the 20th century best selling books are 1) the bible 2) Dr Spock's baby and child care. I'm not surprised Atlas Shrugged would come in at number 1, Ayn Rand is extremely influential. She is, as far as I know, the only pro-individualism writer accessible to the moderately intelligent public. I didn't like Atlas Shrugged myself and quit at page 100, but I could not put down the Fountainhead for 3 days until I was done, as it was such a gripping read.
The way scientology is going, I would suspect that maybe 500 years from now well-crafted statues of L. Rob Hubbard and Tom Cruise lie in many cities across the world.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 13:33
#9
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Red partisan,The way scientology is going, I would suspect that maybe 500 years from now well-crafted statues of L. Rob Hubbard and Tom Cruise lie in many cities across the world.
[/b]
What scientologists really believe. Very funny...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPkn9LX0rU]YouTube[/url]
Thu, 2007-05-31 14:03
#10
Thanks for taking this thread seriously, women and guys. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
I checked freedominon.ca and they are telling people to sign up for facebook. I hope people are serious about this.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 14:04
#11
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 15:11
#12
remind
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]I think people are very surprises when they find out the mainstream population is not like their close circle of friends. In this case, there are a whole lot of christian social conservatives out there[/b]
Perhaps, it is you, who does not get out of your circle of people, except for posting here? As your commentary appears fairly lacking in facts.
If there were so many social conservatives out there, then Harper would have a majority government right now, and would not be back to Reform/CA numbers in the polls.
Thu, 2007-05-31 15:29
#13
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Perhaps, it is you, who does not get out of your circle of people, except for posting here? As your commentary appears fairly lacking in facts.
If there were so many social conservatives out there, then Harper would have a majority government right now, and would not be back to Reform/CA numbers in the polls.[/b]
He didn't say there were a majority of socially conservative people out there, just that there may be more than you might think.
Thu, 2007-05-31 16:30
#14
I just went to check out the group and "Abolish Abortion in Canada" is currently winning with 713 votes. In second place is "for a spritual revivival in our nation" with 427.
There are no negative votes, so the only way to oust this one is for more than 713 to support another wish...
ETA: you can add your support to the pro-choice wish group here: [url=http://www.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=23554...
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: Summer ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 16:31
#15
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Perhaps, it is you, who does not get out of your circle of people, except for posting here? As your commentary appears fairly lacking in facts.
If there were so many social conservatives out there, then Harper would have a majority government right now, and would not be back to Reform/CA numbers in the polls.[/b]
I didn't say there is enough for a majority.
I said there are a lot.
Thu, 2007-05-31 16:49
#16
Left Turn
I've added my support to the following wishes:
I wish tuition fees would be either lowered or eliminated!
I Wish that Canada would remain pro-choice
Celebrate, Affirm Our National Sovereignty: Stop US-Canada Merger Process
Proportional Representation
Canadian Troops Out Of Afghanistan!
A More Socialist Canada
Control or better yet...abolish ATM fees!
Save the CBC
take back the natural Resources!
Tax the Corporations not the People
An NDP Government!
We need to fight the fundies!!!
Thu, 2007-05-31 17:34
#17
remind
We know exactly how many there are in Canada, by the membership of the Reform/CA parties prior to merger. About 1/8-1/4 of Canadians to varying degrees of cult indoctrination.
I supported pro-choice.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: remind ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 17:58
#18
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]We know exactly how many there are in Canada, by the membership of the Reform/CA parties prior to merger. About 3/8-1/4 of Canadians to varying degrees of cult indoctrination.I supported pro-choice.[/b]
Strange assumption, that party lines correlate very very well with personal views. I wouldn't make it.
I gave my wish to one of the environment groups.
Thu, 2007-05-31 18:08
#19
remind
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Strange assumption, that party lines correlate very very well with personal views. I wouldn't make it.I gave my wish to one of the environment groups.[/b]
Why on earth would it be strange they have made no bones about for years now with the CRAP alliance? Oh there many be a small amount in the Liberals but not enough to move it a tick.
BTW, I meant to put 1/8th.
And I gave a wish for the environment too. You are not limited to 1 wish.
But good to note you made a point of noting that you are not pro-choice. So perhaps you should now leave this thread thanks, no response is required.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: remind ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 18:17
#20
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Why on earth would it be strange they have made no bones about for years now with the CRAP alliance? Oh there many be a small amount in the Liberals but not enough to move it a tick.
BTW, I meant to put 1/8th.
And I gave a wish for the environment too. You are not limited to 1 wish.
But good to note you made a point of noting that you are not pro-choice. So perhaps you should now leave this thread thanks, no response is required.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: remind ][/b]
Where did I note I was not prochoice?
I am.
I thought we were limited to one wish.
Thu, 2007-05-31 18:42
#21
remind
Well that is odd, and hardly credible, as left turn, just above your and my posts, and between 2 others of ours, listed ALL the many things he wished for.
Thu, 2007-05-31 18:50
#22
Stop with the irrational witchhunt, what's the matter with you? Leftturn's comment could have been, for example, merely joining the groups or posting on their wall. I also logged on facebook much before left turn's post. What I said, is that if I only get one wish, then it's for the environment. That's all I said. You somehow interpreted that as me "making a point of noting I am not prochoice." While I did not wish for the prochoice groups, I did not wish for the prolife groups either (as I only get one wish), you went one way due to irrationality.
Really, you should apologize.
[ 31 May 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Thu, 2007-05-31 18:55
#23
Okay, obviously a misunderstanding.
Anyhow...so this whole CBC contest is on Facebook, huh? Well...I've been steadfastly refusing to join Facebook and I don't think I'll be joining for this. (These contests are so dumb!)
That said, it's good that it was posted here so people who are on Facebook can be aware, and offset the anti-choice vote.
Thu, 2007-05-31 20:14
#24
remind
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Really, you should apologize.
[/b]
I doubt it, will let it all stand as I see it, as really what is the point of you being on this thread in the first place? If you had no intention of wishing for, or really supporting pro-choice?
Your commentary until pressed to leave this thread WAS NOT supportive of this action or pro-choice. In fact, you went off on how wonderful Ayn Rand is and how many social conseratives there really are???! This is what supportive of feminists somehow?
And you can have more than one wish, as I noted.
Thu, 2007-05-31 21:35
#25
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]I doubt it, will let it all stand as I see it, as really what is the point of you being on this thread in the first place? If you had no intention of wishing for, or really supporting pro-choice?
Your commentary until pressed to leave this thread WAS NOT supportive of this action or pro-choice. In fact, you went off on how wonderful Ayn Rand is and how many social conseratives there really are???! This is what supportive of feminists somehow?
And you can have more than one wish, as I noted.[/b]
Why don't you calm down and admit wrong when wrong.
1) To note there are a lot of social conservatives is not to note that that is a good thing. In elementary philosophy, they introduce the distinction between descriptive and prespriptive. My comment was descriptive.
2) Yes, I liked the Fountainhead and didn't like Atlas Shrugged. I'm not sure how this is related to feminism.
3)I've noted I'm prochoice I'm elsewhere. I don't feel the need to repeat myself in different threads.
4) I'm not giving another wish, since they allow multiple wishes I've decided it's a stupid contest and am boycotting it. This thread was about the facebook CBC contest.
One more thing,
Before writing this post I took a 45 minute walk home because I didn't want to wait for the 161 bus. I'm not sure how my walk is beneficial to feminism. Maybe it means I'm prolife.
Thu, 2007-05-31 22:28
#26
laine lowe
Fuck the CBC brain trust. This is the stupidist move they have made yet. If they end up giving the anti-abortionists a platform to spew their hateful and bigoted crap on account of this stupid outreach exercise, I will seriously consider supporting their demise. That really pains me to say so.
Fri, 2007-06-01 03:20
#27
Well, but to be fair, they have to cover a wide spectrum of political beliefs, as a public broadcaster.
That said, I think these contests are really stupid, [url=http://www.rabble.ca/everyones_a_critic.shtml?x=35521]always have.[/url]
And it's for that exact reason. First, they're not accurate in the least - they just show who can freep a poll the best. Secondly, there's no one political view that trumps all - that's dumb. How do you choose between, say, being pro-choice, and being pro-taxation? They're equally important to me, for different reasons!
Fri, 2007-06-01 03:42
#28
babblerwannabe, I'm very concerned as well. First, it just shows what kind of idiotic people we actually have in our midst - those so willing to overturn rights at any moment. Second, it shows Facebook itself may be filled with right wingers. For the most part though, in reality 900 plus people out of how many for abortion?. That is not a very high number. And both the leading groups are downright creepy!
Fri, 2007-06-01 03:58
#29
Maysie
babblerwannabe, I apologize for my initial post here, starting the brief thread derailment.
I'm certainly serious about being pro-choice personally, and keeping abortion out of the criminal code.
What I don't take seriously is Facebook (though I will admit to having a profile there), nor do I take polls of this kind seriously, for reasons that others have already mentioned.
Fri, 2007-06-01 05:02
#30
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Well, but to be fair, they have to cover a wide spectrum of political beliefs, as a public broadcaster.That said, I think these contests are really stupid, [url=http://www.rabble.ca/everyones_a_critic.shtml?x=35521]always have.[/url]
And it's for that exact reason. First, they're not accurate in the least - they just show who can freep a poll the best. Secondly, there's no one political view that trumps all - that's dumb. How do you choose between, say, being pro-choice, and being pro-taxation? They're equally important to me, for different reasons![/b]
I counted, and if it wasn't for the fact there were a zillion different environment groups splitting their votes, they would be about tied with the prolife group. It's rather silly.
Online polls are poor methodology, period, as far as I can tell.
Fri, 2007-06-01 05:09
#31
Catchfire
If facebookers were to make public policy, we'd have parliament at Newtown's, Jacques Villeneuve's chic cocktail club.
I'm sorry, but as strongly as I support abortion rights, I think this thing is silly. Let this confused group of people blow steam on facebook and let them think they are accomplishing something. As a friend of mine recently titled a group on facebook: "In the 60s, students conducted sit-ins. ..In 2007, we make facebook groups."
Fri, 2007-06-01 05:56
#32
Agreed. The problem is, our national broadcaster appears to be giving it legitimacy.
Fri, 2007-06-01 06:01
#33
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Agreed. The problem is, our national broadcaster appears to be giving it legitimacy.[/b]
The media prey on people who are ignorant of the fact that these "polls" have no meaning. These "polls" reflect nothing about Canada generally and only reflect the views of the very few specific people electing to participate.
Fri, 2007-06-01 06:13
#34
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]The media prey on people who are ignorant of the fact that these "polls" have no meaning. These "polls" reflect nothing about Canada generally and only reflect the views of the very few specific people electing to participate.[/b]
Exactly. Between this, and the example I mentioned earlier, I think it's pretty clear that any self-selecting poll isn't going to be representative and will tend to represent the more extremist of close-knit interest groups that are able to mobilise supporters.
It kind of makes the Greatest Canadian poll from a couple of years back fairly remarkable in that it largely avoided this (except for a couple of cases, such as the radio host who made it into the top 50). Though, I think Tommy Douglas' win also reflected to a degree the left mobilising supporters. Health care system aside, I don't think his appeal was really that universal - but maybe that's because I didn't think any politician should have gotten the number one spot over Terry Fox, neither Douglas nor Trudeau nor MacDonald.
All in all, it's an internet poll/popularity contest. I wouldn't get too worried - everyone will see it as such.
Fri, 2007-06-01 08:49
#35
remind
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]Agreed. The problem is, our national broadcaster appears to be giving it legitimacy.[/b]
It is more than troubling, it is exposes growing actions by our national broadcaster obviously under the orders of the "new" government.
First, the CBC had the noon hour abortion talk with anti only appearing, and pro-choicers phoniing in and making waves, just a couple weeks back. Now we have this action, as the CBC will use the data garnered on some type, or several types of programs. They are quite obviously hopping for a band wagon effect to get the discussion open, and to get it out of Charter Rights.
We also have CBC, and I think Global, here carrying Option BC advertisements. Now Options BC appears to be a new, and could be at least partially government funded, anti-abortion group.
Here is what Options for Sexual Health, a Pro-Choice organization, has to say about it:
quote:
An organization based in Abbotsford that calls itself Pro Life BC (if you look hard enough), has launched a disreputable Web site and advertising campaign under the banner of “Options BC”. It represents itself as a place where women can obtain non-judgmental information and help regarding pregnancy and abortion.Women accessing this organization will be given “information” that is medically and clinically inaccurate, and will not be given comprehensive referral to any organization offering real options for an unintended pregnancy. This is a shameful abuse of the established right women have to reproductive choice.
Options for Sexual Health is a pro-choice organization which believes women should have access to all reproductive options. We deplore this effort to ride the coattails of our highly respected organization for the purpose of misleading the public at large, and women in particular. We are confident, however, that the public is smarter than the organization behind this hoax.
[url=http://www.optionsforsexualhealth.org/]http://www.optionsforsexualhealth...
Calling for a boycott of the Wish Lists is utter nonsense, it is like saying; "nothing to see here move along" when everyone should be taking note of what is occuring. This type of thinking suggests leaving an open field for the anti-Choice people and prominent ones are there and active and spreading their lies like abortion causes cancer.
Those who do not see the danger in these actions by the CBC, and act in prevention of it, apparently have not had to fight enough for their rights.
Fri, 2007-06-01 12:29
#36
A group worth supporting.
[b]I wish the CBC would stop creating stupid youth-outreach campaigns[/b]
quote:
As you are here, I assume you have seen the CBC's latest gimmicky, bullshit interweb, youth crap. It's called "Make a wish" or something equally asinine. Anyway... people are wishing for their Great Canadian whatevers... you know, "I wish Canada would abolish abortion!" or, "Make Tim Horton's cups recyclable" "More NHL teams!" etc.
And so... I decided that I should add my squeaky, young, optimistic voice to this chorus. If you would like to support my wish (and by no means feel obligated) ... just click on that little link. Together we can make a difference. We are the voices of tomorrow.
[url=http://mcgill.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=23... Link[/url]
Fri, 2007-06-01 15:37
#37
I don't know how many people live in the UK but if they read the Independent newspaper today they may have read the alarming article of a US style anti abortion campaign beginning in the UK. Lets all hope it does not reach the violence and hysteria that the US campaign instigates.
Fri, 2007-06-01 17:31
#38
remind
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]A group worth supporting.[/b]
You are trolling! How dare you suggest/infer supporting pro-choice is not worth it!
You had absolutely no reason to put that in this thread or in this forum!
Please do not come back, thanks in advance.
[ 01 June 2007: Message edited by: remind ]
Fri, 2007-06-01 17:42
#39
What the hell? He said that the pro-choice organization you posted is worth supporting and you say he's trolling?
Fri, 2007-06-01 17:53
#40
remind
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]What the hell? He said that the pro-choice organization you posted is worth supporting and you say he's trolling?[/b]
No, actually Michelle, please follow along, he was NOT talking about pro-choice being worth it.
He stated above, that he would not make another wish as if you get more than 1 what was the point, and that he was boycotting the whole Canadian Make a wish action now. Then he comes back and says that the wish that the CBC stop youth outreach programs was worth supporting.
And that is why I called him a troll.
Fri, 2007-06-01 18:04
#41
It is unfair for a minority of (usually) religious pro life extremists to project their desires upon the majority. The choice is firmly the woman's liberty.
Fri, 2007-06-01 18:19
#42
So? That doesn't make him anti-choice. What's the big deal? I also said that I thought this whole thing was stupid and that I wouldn't participate in such a poll either. So what?
Fri, 2007-06-01 18:40
#43
remind
The point is Michelle, he just came back to troll the thread. There was no point to his post, at all as I stated above. But fool that I am, I bit his troll. I had left for a few hours to see if I was still pissed about it, and when I came back I still was.
I don't agree with your position either, but you did not come back to troll in the feminist forum either about it did you?
Fri, 2007-06-01 21:22
#44
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]The point is Michelle, he just came back to troll the thread. There was no point to his post, at all as I stated above. But fool that I am, I bit his troll. I had left for a few hours to see if I was still pissed about it, and when I came back I still was.I don't agree with your position either, but you did not come back to troll in the feminist forum either about it did you?[/b]
Stop acting like a raving lunatic. Why can't you just admit you're wrong? Why are you desperately hoping I'm prolife?
I made one wish, for an environment group, at an earlier point, when I thought the idea was kind of fun. I've now rejected the whole thing. That beiong said, I still found the other group funny. If I hadn't voted yet I might vote for them as my first choice.
I admit when I'm wrong remind. In this case you're just being hopelessly irrational. Come back at a later point and you'll see how.
Fri, 2007-06-01 21:36
#45
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Stop acting like a raving lunatic. Why can't you just admit you're wrong? Why are you desperately hoping I'm prolife?
I made one wish, for an environment group, at an earlier point, when I thought the idea was kind of fun. I've now rejected the whole thing. That beiong said, I still found the other group funny. If I hadn't voted yet I might vote for them as my first choice.
I admit when I'm wrong remind. In this case you're just being hopelessly irrational. Come back at a later point and you'll see how.[/b]
I agree with remind, in a way.
If you rejected the whole thing, you wouldn't have said this:
"A group worth supporting.
I wish the CBC would stop creating stupid youth-outreach campaigns"
Fri, 2007-06-01 21:42
#46
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
[b]I agree with remind, in a way.
If you rejected the whole thing, you wouldn't have said this:
"A group worth supporting.
I wish the CBC would stop creating stupid youth-outreach campaigns"[/b]
Dude, that group is a rejection of the whole thing.
Fri, 2007-06-01 21:44
#47
laine lowe
babblerwannabe started this topic because of a serious threat to our rights as women. You can look at this whole Facebook campaign as a game 500_Apples but for some of us the results of this stupid attempt by the CBC to engage a younger demographic is frightening.
If you haven't been paying attention, our freaking rights to reproductive choice have been under assault for the past many months. I don't care how many other amusing "wishes" there are on that list. The fact that limiting abortion rights is on the top of that list is frightening. The fact that opponents to our rights have a CBC sanctioned soap box to defend their position is even more frightening.
Whether you want to realize it or not, the Harper government is turning back the clock on many rights that we have gained through the years. Hard fought rights are just going down the toilet. Gutting funding and changing the mandate of the Status of Women was just the first obvious step,
Fri, 2007-06-01 23:38
#48
I am glad alot of you are taking this seroiusly. I am just glad my message is out and now people know about it.
[ 01 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
Sat, 2007-06-02 02:30
#49
Okay, at this point, both remind AND 500_Apples are out of line. remind for attacking 500_Apples on basically very little if any substantial provocation, and 500_Apples now for using such insults as "raving lunatics".
Can't you two just ignore each other's posts or something? Chill out. Quit derailing the thread with flame wars.
Sat, 2007-06-02 09:21
#50
remind
quote:
Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
[b]I am glad alot of you are taking this seroiusly. I am just glad my message is out and now people know about it.[/b]
Thanks babbler and laine, for your support and clear ubnderstanding that I was quite correct. It would seem those who aren't taking the threat seriously, really are not supportive of pro-choice, IMV, and would like, if not admitted though, Charter Rights be removed for women.
Sat, 2007-06-02 09:36
#51
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Thanks babbler and laine, for your support and clear ubnderstanding that I was quite correct. It would seem those who aren't taking the threat seriously, really are not supportive of pro-choice, IMV, and would like, if not admitted though, Charter Rights be removed for women.[/b]
Yes - I want charter rights to be removed from women.
I think the high point of western civilization was 1817, when everybody knew their place.
I notice you failed to voice support for the environment. Clearly you are one who wants us to nuke all the whales, and to cover the Earth in metal and conrete.
I'll be the bigger person and quit this thread. You can spend the next while ruminating over your paranoid fantasies of everyone being a prolifer.
[ 02 June 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]