Why is there such consternation that the anti crowd freeped the CBC? The anti crowd has proven time and again that they are tenacious.They are also increasingly marginalised.
The CBC provides an attractive national platform to furthur their intent. It is no surprise that they will use it.
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Originally posted by jester:
[b]Why is there such consternation that the anti crowd freeped the CBC? The anti crowd has proven time and again that they are tenacious.They are also increasingly marginalised.The CBC provides an attractive national platform to furthur their intent. It is no surprise that they will use it.[/b]
And what, just because it is no surprise they used it, there should be no consternation?
BTW, the consternation is over a variety things actually and not just their freeping of it.
4073 [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] 606 difference. I am organising support from all the personalities in our disorder. Most are in agreement but I cannot locate the feminine side.
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Originally posted by jester:
[b]I am organising support from all the personalities in our disorder. Most are in agreement but I cannot locate the feminine side.[/b]
gah, will it never stop!
Only 527 in difference now!
4246 Pro-choice
4773 anti-choice
Jester, we appreciate your support, but could you please do it without making fun of dissociative disorders.
The gap is closing. The gap is still there. "I wish to control women's bodies because I know what is right for everyone, and that's what democracy is all about" is still ahead by 428.
[url=http://www.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=23554... wish that Canada would remain pro-choice[/url]
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Originally posted by writer:
[b]The gap is closing. The gap is still there. "I wish to control women's bodies because I know what is right for everyone, and that's what democracy is all about" [/b]
Only 349 votes between them now.
Really moving along fast though, closed the gap by almost 200 votes in less than 24 hrs. And the anti-human rights people started days and several thousand votes ahead. I simply cannot conceive of the CBC doing a special on July 1st, about how the greatest wish in Canada is to remove woman's rights.
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Just so you know--here at the CBC, we've received some complaints about the fact that we've continued to let this project continue, because "the wish list has been highjacked by anti-abortion lobby groups."
Our response? There's no such thing as "highjacking" with this project. Who ever can best organize their wish, and get the most people to support it... will come out on top.
I am going to throw up. Abolish abortion is ahead by about 700 votes?
[ 20 June 2007: Message edited by: Polly Brandybuck ]
Nope, they are ahead by only 324 now, please do get your friends involved polly.
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Originally posted by Makwa:
[b]... vulnurable to attack from the Xtian fundies and the criminal racists and must never be left open to similar threat.[/b]
there does seem to be that trend on that space in regard to x'ian fundy wishes.
Specifically "Restore the Traditional Definition of Marriage"
"For a spiritual revival in our nation."
and Abolish Abortion
These disturb me. Privileged white Christians are very proactive. Maybe we could learn something about how they organise influence the discussion points in this country.
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]Nope, they are ahead by only 324 now, please do get your friends involved polly.[/b]
As we speak.
Just to note that recently Jack Layton posted a wish, and it's already at #8. So consider the lesson learned.
As well, the fundies are FREAKING OUT about how fast the pro-choice wish is catching up. It's worth it just to see them scramble, I've gotta say.
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Originally posted by oldgoat:
[b]Jester, we appreciate your support, but could you please do it without making fun of dissociative disorders.[/b]
I'm making fun of myself. Thanks for the encouragement though. It gets lonely here at the bottom of the social order.
As a gesture of atonement, I have engaged my rudimentary freeping skills and posted my support again. 5135/4824 311 difference.
The difference is now under 300!
From the anti-choice group:
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UPDATE JUNE 15th-----If you want people to win the Great Canadian Wish List contest, I want you to do the following.
Think of AT LEAST five Canadians you could email who would be willing to participate in the contest and vote for "Abolish Abortion".
Write a brief email explaining the situation. For instructions, they can go to [hzzp://www.bigboinkwoof.ca] (don't forget the link).
As you send the emails, I want you to pray for the contest.
If all 1000 of you do that, that will be 5000 emails sent. If only 10% of the people participate, that's 500 new votes.
I know that it seems tough once you have already email many of your contacts. I know I have. I have several hundred. But you just have to be a little more imaginative. Google people and organizations. Phone up your pro-life relatives. Leaflet your church. THAT is the winning spirit. "I don't want to do any more" is the attitude of a loser, and pro-lifers have fallen back on that attitude for too long. If you want to change something about the abortion situation, the time to change is NOW, and the first step starts with YOU. DEVOTE yourself to this. Too many pro-lifers do not DEVOTE themselves to winning, and that's why we lose. You want to change the attitude in the political sphere? We have to change it in the non-political sphere first.
I hope I didn't sound too mean, but that is the unvarnished truth.
I mean, don't you want to make this person really, really sad?
[ 20 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]gah, will it never stop![/b]
The HARD CORE pro-choicers say I am perfect. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] Very sensible of them. [img]cool.gif" border="0[/img]
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Originally posted by jester:
[b]As a gesture of atonement, I have engaged my rudimentary freeping skills and posted my support again. 5135/4824 311 difference.[/b]
Its now 290 only separating the 2, moving up quickly.
Thanks for the clarification, I have fought too long and hard to try to get those with mental health issues to have a voice, to have people make fun of something that is no different than let's say diabetes, or heart problems.
272, amazing and great work done by all. writer is really out there promoting and posting, you are simply wonderful. And babblewannebe, great work in setting this sub group up, sad that you cannot participate.
The anti-human rights people are getting a tad ruffled. And only 40, or so, votes are needed to boost the strong environmental actions are needed wish, above the getting rid of the SSM's wish.
This evening, I expanded contacts about this to include progressive men, and select business people. So far, most have joined in and are forwarding the movement to their contacts.
Thanks, remind.
Some pro-choice teenagers / young people have entered into discussions on the "Make Her Be A Mom" wish.
I'm happy to throw my support behind them. Those on Facebook might be interested in taking a peek:
[url=http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2552036367&topic=2732&start=0]you people sicken me[/url]
[url=http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2552036367&topic=2731]Abortion Should be Legal![/url]
[url=http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2552036367&topic=2514]Is this really something Canadians should support?[/url]
[ 20 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]
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Originally posted by writer:
[b]Thanks, remind.Some pro-choice teenagers / young people have entered into discussions on the "Make Her Be A Mom" wish.
I'm happy to throw my support behind them. Those on Facebook might be interested in taking a peek: [/b]
You are quite welcome writer, your insight and ability words is something quite terrific.
Thanks for the heads up on the groups. I had a boo and added some comments on each.
I've just been warned again. I guess Facebots don't like links to United Nations information.
I'm curious about whether any of the freepers have been warned or had their accounts suspended or banned on Facebook.
Great work, all. To me, all of this repression of babblerwannabe and writer are even more good reasons not to open an account on Facebook, but for those of you fighting the good fight there, that's awesome.
Somewhere along the way I'd heard something about SUZANNE F. having her account axed, but I see her posting.
She and someone else are shown as admins for the new anti-choice support group. That second person does not seem to have an active account, but I don't know the story behind this.
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]
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I'm curious about whether any of the freepers have been warned or had their accounts suspended or banned on Facebook
I was told Goat wasn't a real name.
Well, there is now only 236 more to tie, and wow, writer on the warning yet again. So far, I have not gotten one, and there simply doesn't seem to be any rules anywhere that states criteria.
When people are trying to repress is when I get very active. IMV, if we allow oppression, we will then get what we were apathetic about.
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I was told Goat wasn't a real name
I hate Facebook, and refuse to have a profile but my humorous profile has backed the wish as well as asked others to do the same.
Pro-choice wish has now broken the 5k mark and is only 219 behind the anti-Human Rights people.
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]272, amazing and great work done by all. writer is really out there promoting and posting, you are simply wonderful. And babblewannebe, great work in setting this sub group up, sad that you cannot participate.The anti-human rights people are getting a tad ruffled. And only 40, or so, votes are needed to boost the strong environmental actions are needed wish, above the getting rid of the SSM's wish.
This evening, I expanded contacts about this to include progressive men, and select business people. So far, most have joined in and are forwarding the movement to their contacts.[/b]
Thank you, but I have been participating with my new account. I am doing the same thing writer is doing, promoting the group through posting.
We are now about 180 votes behind.
Somehow, the button that indicates how many people have not replied to the invitation to join my group has disappeared.
I took a screen shot of it here:
[url=http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=79932&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=235... all&subj=2355464304&aid=-1&id=609807227&oid=2355464304[/url]
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: babblerwannabe ]
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Originally posted by babblerwannabe:
[b]Thank you, but I have been participating with my new account. I am doing the same thing writer is doing, promoting the group through posting.We are now about 180 votes behind. [/b]
Your welcome and that is great to hear you are now posting.
And wow, on the almost caught up totals, eh!
I saw that they were missing. Could be that the limit has been surpassed (combining those who've joined and those who've been invited).
I can't post anything any more, but I've been thinking about the confusion for those who come to the group and think that's all they need to do. Here's what I'd do (if I could):
Post on the group's wall regularly with the comment -
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Thanks for joining this group! Now it's time to give your support for choice where it really counts!Go to ...
I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice
[url=http://yorku.facebook.com/sgroup/subgroup.php?oid=2392827649&sub_oid=235...... And click the "Add Support" button on the upper-right-hand side.
We are gaining fast! It's anti-5293, pro-choice 5256!
[ 22 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]
5336 I wish that Canada would remain pro-choice
5259 Abolish Abortion in Canada
Woo hoo!
We're in first!
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Originally posted by writer:
[b]I saw that they were missing. Could be that the limit has been surpassed (combining those who've joined and those who've been invited).I can't post anything any more, but I've been thinking about the confusion for those who come to the group and think that's all they need to do. Here's what I'd do (if I could):
Post on the group's wall regularly with the comment -
We are gaining fast! It's anti-5293, pro-choice 5256!
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ][/b]
okay i will do that.
Well, they are taking it with the grace we've come to love them for. One wall post:
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The only losers in it all are the women streamed into abortion, who didn't need it , want it, buy into it, but were forced by the societal norm established by a court system that sucks the big one, a bunch of lesbian feminists who push pro-choice knowing they'll never have children anyway, and a bunch of dogooders making money from the suffering of women.
It appears that a class of engineering computation lab students signed up for the pro-side together.
And the pro-choice folks are talking about organizing over Pride weekend.
So *now* they've got anti-spam filters to go through.
Horse. Barn. Out. What were they *thinking* with this idiot thing?
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: writer ]
Wow, we are now ahead by 361 wishes, way to go everyone who has taken part. IMV the silver lining to this whole nonsense wish thing is that has really re-enforced the woman's movement far beyond anything in recent history.
I asked one of my friends on there to spread the word to his friends and help and help he did!
And the gap is expanding we are now 509 in front.
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: remind ]
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[b]Originally posted by writer:[/b]
Well, they are taking it with the grace we've come to love them for. One wall post:
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The only losers in it all are the women streamed into abortion, who didn't need it , want it, buy into it, but were forced by the societal norm established by a court system that sucks the big one, a bunch of lesbian feminists who push pro-choice knowing they'll never have children anyway, and a bunch of dogooders making money from the suffering of women.
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I'm surprised these people believe there are 6000 lesbians in Canada, let alone on facebook. Of course, you'd wonder how many abortions lesbians would need for unwanted pregnancies...
My favorite is the one about having paid morality checkers. They really donot see the inconsistencies in their thoughts.
If they think the woman is too 'immoral' for reasons of wanting to have an abortion, how in the hell can she then be responsible enough to raise a child?
And what the hell, morality police?
Then there is the example writer gave that uses "suck the big one" while stating what women want charter rights. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img] As if all women do not want charter rights, or rather those who have not been brainwashed into to believing men have the right to control them.
The hyporcrisy is stark and an example the truly thoughtless. They have their own wish locked so no one pro-choice can participate, but they are swarming the pro-choice wish thread even to the point of starting a thread in the prochoice wish thread that disses the wish creator.
This is getting ridiculous, the Abolish Abortion wish not only closed a 500 vote gap in a couple of hours, but they gained about 100 supporters in a couple of minutes. This is turning into an even bigger farce than I expected.
So, you know what it's time for now that this wish is ahead?
It's time for a new wish - "I wish abortion was more accessible to the women who need them in Canada."
Wouldn't it be awesome if the pro-coat-hanger crowd were pushed to third place? [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
P.S. I'm half-kidding, really. I don't think it's a good idea to get complacent on the current race.
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Originally posted by Will S:
[b]This is getting ridiculous, the Abolish Abortion wish not only closed a 500 vote gap in a couple of hours, but they gained about 100 supporters in a couple of minutes. This is turning into an even bigger farce than I expected.[/b]
What's this? Who's ahead now? It's not clear.
The Abolish Abortion wish is now ahead. In the last hour or two it build up a lead of 300 and counting. Apparently lifesite sent out an APB to it's members. Either that or someone's got a program. If you click refresh the number just grows and grows. Very sad.
In the time it took to write that last post they went up to about 500 votes ahead. Crazy. I'm going to bed. Tomorrow they'll probably have a million supporters.
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: Will S ]
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: Will S ]
The CBC sucks for letting themselves get freeped like this.
I'm not sure this is freeping for sure. Or, if it is freeping, that CBC actually objects.
No, the CBC doesn't object at all. They welcome it. That's why they suck.
And I'm not just saying that because the "abolish abortion" side is better at freeping, either. I'll say it even if the "keep the status quo" side wins.
Because you know what? This was a great big exercise in stupidity. Is anyone's biggest wish for Canada that the abortion laws remain status quo? Who the hell dares to dream of...the status quo?
But because of the stupid freeping of the anti-choice nutters, those of us who support human rights and autonomy for women have a choice of either concentrating on the status quo, or concentrating on the stuff we'd really like to dream about and then letting the freepers get their national platform to take away our rights.
Basically, the CBC is allowing themselves to be used by a tiny group of fringe misogynist asses (most of whom would like to see the CBC lose all their funding and become privatized anyhow) to spout a woman-hating platform that most of the country disagrees with, and they're going to pretend at the end of it all that this tiny minority of freaks actually represents the "greatest Canadian wish".
It's not only pandering stupidity, it's outright false reporting. It would even be false reporting if they said the greatest Canadian wish is for the status quo on abortion. Because I'll tell you, that's not MY greatest Canadian wish, and I'll bet it's not most people's greatest Canadian wish. The status quo is the status quo, it's been decided, it's done. Sure, I want it to stay like that, but there are a hell of a lot more important things I'm worried about right now, and to feel like we have to defend the status quo against these freaks instead of concentrating on issues we haven't fought and won yet really galls me.
The CBC is sucking more and more. If they give these goddamned religious freaks a platform to spew hate against women on Canada Day, I'M going to start campaigning for the CBC to lose their funding, I swear to god.
[ 21 June 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]
