Sexist McGuinty Liberals throwing mud again

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Sexist McGuinty Liberals throwing mud again

 

Mercy

Now, I'm no fan of Lisa McLeod or John Tory or Randy Hillier, but I'm even less a one of Liberal sleaze merchant Warren Kinsella. Folks may recall he's the one who led the attack on NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo because she (gasp) did drugs as a kid.

This "cartoon" crosses way over the line into sexist garbage - note what McLeod (the woman in the dress) is "thinking":

[img]http://www.warrenkinsella.com/images/hilliertoryonstage.jpg[/img]

Baking cookies? Hardy har. Now I probably disagree with Ms. McLeod on about everything but it seems the Liberals have learned next to nothing from "Klander-gate" about attacking ideas not the person. What nasty mean-spirited garbage.

Will S

This really is pathetic, especially in light of McGuinty's attempt to get more women as Liberal candidates. He should speak out about this and sat his party doesn't want help from people who make sexist remarks if he wants his pledge to be taken seriously.

Sombrero Jack

It's not an especially funny comment, but I think it's directed at Mcleod's 1950s style garb (think June Cleaver) as opposed to being illustrative of some sexist sentiment held by Warren K. or the McGuinty Liberals in general. Still inappropriate, but unintentionally so.

jrootham

I'm not sure how the idea that one of the most boring things a woman can do is baking cookies is sexist.

Olly

I interpreted it as a shot at the sexist Conservatives who do, I can assure you, have male representatives who believe women should be in the kitchen baking cookies.

Michelle

That's how I took it too. I see where it could be problematic, but I have to admit, I laughed at the cartoon as a whole. Looks like Kinsella's on a campaign to try and get pictures of as many of the Ontario Tories with hard-right so-cons as possible.

Sounds good to me. The thought of another "Common Sense Revolution" is terrifying.

rhetorical

Conservative women should not be laughed at because they are Conservative. It ain't funny. Do we want women to run or not - let's make up our minds. We can't encourage them to run while we laugh at them.

Now I know why the Libs are doing so poorly at keeping elected women politicians running.

Mercy

Well, [url=http://www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.htm]he took it down[/url] which is a pretty sure admission of guilt as far as I can tell.

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Originally posted by Olly:
[b]I interpreted it as a shot at the sexist Conservatives who do, I can assure you, have male representatives who believe women should be in the kitchen baking cookies.[/b]

By that logic it would be acceptable to have a photo of an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander]African-Canadian[/url] or an [url=http://www.alexyuan.ca/]Asian-Canadian Tory[/url] saying "Oooh massah!"

The Tories aren't the only party with [url=http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/members/members_detail.do?locale=en&ID=85&det... in their midst - but I have a sneaking suspicion that if the Tories had launched the same attack on a Liberal MPP you wouldn't feel so conflicted.

Mercy

[url=http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070724/kinsella_cartoon... news[/url]:

quote:

New Democrat Cheri DiNovo said comments like the controversial caption discourage women from getting involved in politics at a time when the very opposite is instrumental.

With one in five female members of the Ontario legislature slated to trade political life for family life come the Oct. 10 election, she said the timing couldn't be worse.

"You look around the halls here and the only portraits that you see are men. The only women represented in the hallowed halls where the public is able to walk are the Queen and Agnes McPhail and yet you have all these portraits of men. What does that say to our children?'' she said.

"Their spin doctor comes out with a cartoon that is blatantly sexist. What does that say to women who are thinking of going into politics?''


aka Mycroft

Kinsella's Yvette moment, perhaps?

Certainly doesn't help that he says he only took the picture down because his wife told him to. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

[ 03 October 2007: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Michelle

I didn't laugh at that particular line - I was laughing at the overall idea that the three of them looked completely UNthrilled to be on stage with this guy.

You're right. Women shouldn't be discouraged from running for any party, even ones we disagree with. Even ones where a good percentage of them think that women should be home baking cookies instead of doing "men's work" like running for office.

He says he took the picture down because his wife didn't think it was funny and he respects her opinion. What's wrong with that? A lot of guys would have gone on the offensive, but he backed off and admitted he was wrong. Seems like the right thing to do when you do something dumb and get called on it, right?

[ 24 July 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]

aka Mycroft

quote:


I could equivocate, I suppose. I could be a spin doctor, and query whether the media organizations which have assigned reporters to the story (the Globe, the Star and the Sun) did so because of my ongoing freelance column gig (media critic at the National Post). Or I could suggest that Cheri di Novo’s outrage relates to the fact that I loudly opposed the political candidacy of a person who had actually smuggled drugs in Bibles (which I did, and still do). Or I could wonder why Lisa MacLeod is upset about what I said, but not at all about her fellow Conservative candidate, Randy Hillier, who opposes support for “Quebec, Native, Arts, Homosexual, Urban and Multi cultures” (that’s what he said). Or I could point out that I have columnized against violent pornography, and anti-women movies, and the terrible prostitution ads found at the back of a certain Toronto media organization’s entertainment weekly (they know who they are). Or I could quote one of my editors at the Post, who emailed this to me an hour ago, when I gave him a head’s-up that I would be a media football tomorrow in the competition: “Kinsella a sexist? Honestly Warren it is beyond absurd. I don't think anyone who knows you would ever believe such tripe.”

Or, you know, I could give some other excuse. But I won’t.


But you just did [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

If he'd actually just apologized without the huge "I could... but I won't even though I just did" prologue his apology might actually look sincere. Instead it's grudging, resentful, whinging, defensive and more than a little pathetic.

Maybe he should have let his wife write it for him?

[ 24 July 2007: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Mercy

quote:


Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]He says he took the picture down because his wife didn't think it was funny and he respects her opinion. What's wrong with that? A lot of guys would have gone on the offensive, but he backed off and admitted he was wrong. Seems like the right thing to do when you do something dumb and get called on it, right?[/b]

For me the problem isn't Kinsella. I don't like him but I don't really care what he does or doesn't do. The real issue is that this is part of a nasty nasty Liberal campaign.

This time, I admit, the target deserves some attacking. But (Warren himself reminds us) a few short months ago he was attacking Cheri DiNovo - quoting her out of context, calling her "DiNutso", implying that she was a pedophile. This is the gruesome underbelly of the Liberal party that pretends it wants power because they "care" but ultimately just want power for power's sake. And if that means smear campaigns then so be it. Warren's apologizing because he NEEDS to - not because he wants to. Because now that he's in the news he's undermining his employer's attempt to be soft n fuzzy.

The people who engage in this stuff are inevitably quasi-macho guys. And their dominance in politics isn't healthy.

[ 24 July 2007: Message edited by: Mercy ]

Michelle

He made some good points in that paragraph, Mycroft. Ones I thought of too.

I just can't get past the fact that many supporters of the party she's joined would love to see her in the kitchen, barefoot, pregnant and making cookies where she supposedly belongs.

I'm going to take a wild guess, that she's "not a feminist, but..."

But you're right. It's sexist commentary, and progressives shouldn't be engaging in it. Although my reaction to it is on par with how I'd react if I saw a photo of Phyllis Schlafly speaking at a podium, with a thought-bubble coming out of her head saying, "Gee, I should be at home baking cookies." Because that's what Schlafly preaches for other women.

And that's what social conservatives preach for women too, and that's the company Lisa McLeod is keeping, and those are the type of men she is propping up.

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quote:


Originally posted by Mercy:
[b]

The people who engage in this stuff are inevitably quasi-macho guys. And their dominance in politics isn't healthy.

[ 24 July 2007: Message edited by: Mercy ][/b]


Kinsella "preaches equality" as he says -- but he certainly doesn't practice it in his dealings with people. His public attitudes towards gay men are very similar to what is shown her in regards to women.

Kinsella says he supports gays rights, but one of his notorious put-downs in an argument is to accuse a male opponent of wanting him sexually. Why would you use gay sex as an insult? Only if you thought it was dirty, abnormal, a blackmark etc. If you thought the other man would be ashamed by the accusation.

But that's the Liberals, and that's hypocrisy.

[ 24 July 2007: Message edited by: -=+=- ]

Mercy

This is what annoys me.

[url=http://www.940news.com/nouvelles.php?cat=23&id=72554]McGuinty claims it has nothing to do with him - and won't apologize.[/url]

quote:

Premier Dalton McGuinty refused to apologize to women in politics Wednesday in the wake of a well-known Liberal campaign strategist's controversial blog posting... "It's a personal blog and I think there's an important distinction there," McGuinty said. Kinsella "will continue to offer advice" to the party.

McGuinty or the Liberals are paying this guy to throw mud, make sexist jokes, smear a United Church Minister but then pretend it has nothing to do with them.

Disgusting.

Mercy

In an unsurprising turn of events, while Kinsella faux-apologizes [url=http://www.daisygroup.ca/team.htm]his employee and fellow Liberal Derek Raymaker picks up where he left off[/url] in his blog where he [url=http://bornwithatail.blogspot.com/2007/07/rapid-fire-edition.html]calls Cheri DiNovo a "douchebag" and a "howling shrew"[/url]

quote:

PARKDALE DOUCHEBAG CHERI DINOVO DROPS THE S-BOMB

It took all of 10 minutes for reformed LSD courier Cheri DiNovo to jump all over my pal Warren Kinsella, accusing him of being sexist for a harmless bit of satirical Photoshopping on his blog.

DiNovo, in her typical state of unhinged hysteria, said Kinsella and his conspiracy of testosterone is preventing women from entering politics.

The reason more women aren't entering politics is because they're well aware that the dominant archetype of a Woman in Politics(TM) is that of a howling shrew like DiNovo. There are precious few calm, rational, smart and good-humoured women at Queen's Park. Certainly none at all on the NDP bench. DiNovo is the real obstacle to more women entering politics, and she knows it.


UPDATE: He's already edited it.

[ 31 July 2007: Message edited by: Mercy ]

aka Mycroft

Hm, Kinsella and Raymaker are both bigwigs at "Daisy Consulting".

The question has to be asked. With Daisy Consulting going to bat for the McGuinty Liberals, how can they possibly win?

Perhaps the way to bring down the Harper Tories is to convince them to hire Daisy?

Mercy

[url=http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:QiRrdQlDMNsJ:bornwithatail.blogspot.... still up on google.[/url]

[ 31 July 2007: Message edited by: Mercy ]

aka Mycroft

Is the media on it? This should result in demands that the McGuinty Liberals cut themselves off from Daisy - heck Liberal members should be demanding that if they want to avoid any more embarrassment - Kinsella and his entourage are a political train wreck.

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

1) Didn't these guys learn anything from Mike Klander?

2) Don't these guys have anything better to do?