Mea culpa of the militant liberal
Thu, 2007-08-09 16:12
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Mea culpa of the militant liberal
Thu, 2007-08-09 16:12
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[url=http://www.rabble.ca/politics.shtml?x=61298]Mea culpa of the militant liberal[/url]
Very well written article above, worth a couple of reads. For all their touted intellectualism, dangerous idiots like Ignatieff and Berman never grasp or indeed concern themselves with the fallout that occurs through basic human reactions that emanate from the supreme grief and anger of having loved ones violently killed. Another concept that doesn't register within Ignatieff's vaunted intellect is the picture of a so called 'liberal' Berman, who is actually a Zionist, advocating endless war against entities that pose opposition to the Zionist project, while cloaking it for public consumption as a struggle between ‘freedom’ loving people and Islamic 'death cults.' The obvious motivations of this purported 'liberal' are either purposely ignored as a topic of debate, or are simply not registering as possible within Ignatieff’s over-exercised brain. Is it feasible that fear of public repercussions to his personal ambition, might in some way serve as a deterrent to exploring through debate, the full spectrum of reasons as to why an intellectual such as Berman would advocate with such nihilistic zeal the destruction of so many innocent lives to conveniently protect what he describes as the global model of equality and justice. In that scenario, Ignatieff’s offering of other 'noble' souls for sacrifice is starkly nauseating. The author of this article wrote about being 'astonished' that Ignatieff would try and separate Abu Ghraib from the character of the invasion. Imagine, a swollen mind like Ignatieff’s not grasping the punitive and vengeful nature of an American society aching to settle scores with people who look like the ones who attacked them, with all that could occur and be deemed permissible from a nation that sets itself above all others. Ignatieff is an imperialist and an opportunist. He is an advocate of colonial ideology, using fake liberalism to justify violent and destructive intervention in societies where people, in his own view, live lesser lives than that which exists within his own comfortable surroundings.
[ 09 August 2007: Message edited by: Slumberjack ]
[ 09 August 2007: Message edited by: Slumberjack ]
Thu, 2007-08-09 17:37
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Yeah, well he has an excuse. He hung out with Bob Rae during his formative years.
Thu, 2007-08-09 18:43
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So did Bob Bossin, and he turned out well enough.
Iggy will have to find another excuse. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2007-08-10 19:03
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Michael Ignatieff represents my riding. I wonder how many of my neighbours voted for his apparent brilliance (frankly, a contrast to the Conservative candidate) without noticing how slick he is, and how everything appeared to be a question of intellectualizing?
I studied political theory once upon a time, and frankly, much of Ignatieff's writing is shallow. Why was this mea culpa published in the New York Times? Why is Michael Ignatieff so eager for political power in a country he couldn't be bothered living in for over 30 years? Shouldn't he be saying this to his constituents? Or at least the country he wants to lead? His support for this war was just plain stupid, in every way. Not even an ivory tower intellectual can justify the belief that invasion by a superpower with an axe to grind is based on a desire for human rights and democracy. It was opportunism. Ignatieff clearly enjoys the limelight, as do the people who become movie stars.
I have as yet to hear from Ignatieff just what kind of vision he has for this country, besides his own innate ability to run it.
I hope he goes back to Harvard.
Sat, 2007-08-11 04:29
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Maybe he will, if he loses the election! Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen, is it?
I wonder if he would still have a job if he were to go back to Harvard?
Sun, 2007-08-12 22:26
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It's unfortunate that whenever a politician combines some qualities of your standard liberal and conservative template, it usually turns out to be a social liberal with a hawkish foreign policy. I suppose you also get your anti-gay/women/minority religionists with a staunch non-interventionist foreign policy, too, but those are less common in Canada than in the US...
Berman is correct in his analysis of Islam, but tragically wrong in his decision of what needs to be done to confront it.
Islam has never been metaphorically interpreted, never interpreted as the writing of people from 700 AD, and indeed, the Koran and Hadith leave much less in the way of allowing those kinds of interpretations as the Bible does, particularly with the NT.
We can clearly see what is happening with Muslim immigration into Europe. Infibulations, honor killings, beatings and murders of homosexuals, political and media assassinations and assassination attempts, not to mention an overall increase in the crime rate.
I wish we could get some reasonable politicians who want to protect liberal social values and the welfare state, while talking honestly about Islam and how to deal with it. It's obvious to most people that war won't solve this, but we need to talk about integration and the role of multiculturalism at least, before we start having the same problems with Muslim immigration that Europe has.
Mon, 2007-08-13 11:42
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Originally posted by Salmontarre:
[b] We can clearly see what is happening with Muslim immigration into Europe. Infibulations, honor killings, beatings and murders of homosexuals, political and media assassinations and assassination attempts, not to mention an overall increase in the crime rate....I wish we could get some reasonable politicians who want to protect liberal social values and the welfare state, while talking honestly about Islam and how to deal with it. It's obvious to most people that war won't solve this, but we need to talk about integration and the role of multiculturalism at least, before we start having the same problems with Muslim immigration that Europe has.[/b]
There were periods throught the history of immigration to North America where uncomplimentary things were said about other groups who were arriving, such a the Irish, Ukrainians, Chinese, people fleeing slavery, etc. Somehow, in spite of the shortcomings and dangers that some established citizens were warning about, they managed to fit in quite nicely among the very people who were fear-mongering over their arrival. People like you. Let the laws of the land under the Charter prevail equally over all citizens regardless of where they come from, or what they pray about, and let those same laws equally protect those that require protection.
Mon, 2007-08-13 14:25
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Oh, get off it.
Irish and Chinese immigrants didn't believe they were moving into a land of unbelieving infidels, nor were they hostile to secular democracy. In fact, it was a primary reason for moving here.
Irish and Chinese immigrants didn't kill their daughters and sisters to 'retain honour', either. I think perhaps you don't understand how common honour killing is among Muslim immigrants in Europe. In the Netherlands, the number of honour killings is approximately 50 per year.
Islam immigration into Europe is not the same as previous immigration. They do not integrate into society, and in fact they are pushed to maintain their culture, despite it's incompatibility with liberal democracy.
I'm not saying we should cut off Muslim immigration, I'm saying that immigrants who are likely to be hostile to democracy and to the idea of multiculturalism need to be integrated.
A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn't just different from general Western culture, it is [b]inferior[/b] to general Western culture.
Mon, 2007-08-13 14:31
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Islam immigration into Europe is not the same as previous immigration. They do not integrate into society, and in fact they are pushed to maintain their culture, despite it's incompatibility with liberal democracy.
Islam is not a monolithic entity. You're a bigot.
Mon, 2007-08-13 15:39
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Salmontarre say:
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I search through hateposts on conservative blogs to find decent websites.
Time to go back where you belong. Muslim culture is far superior to you.
Tue, 2007-08-14 11:04
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Originally posted by Salmontarre:
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Tell that to my Ismahli neighbours who are every bit as "Canadian" as the other ethnic and religious groups in our 90 unit complex. You sir are a religious bigot who is very close to hate speech.
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Irish and Chinese immigrants didn't believe they were moving into a land of unbelieving infidels,
Really the Catholic Irish thought the Church of England wass the true religion? The term paddy wagon gives a good sample of the kind slander that bigots like you would have used in the past. Paddy was not your WASP and therefore was deemed second rate and undesirable.
The Chinese well we did well by them if you ignore the Exclusion laws and the Head Tax and the horrendous death rate among Chinese labourers during the railroad years. They wer excluded because they and their heathen religion were not really what a Dominion of the Btitish Empire wanted as citizens.
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A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn't just different from general Western culture, it is [b]inferior[/b] to general Western culture.
Bigotry at its height. Should we screen Christians to determine their views on same sex marriage and abortion and make sure that they are not tainted by frundamentalism?
Tue, 2007-08-14 13:07
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remind
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Originally posted by Salmontarre:
[b]A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn't just different from general Western culture, it is [b]inferior[/b] to general Western culture.[/b]
And why are you postiing here?
Tue, 2007-08-14 13:13
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Originally posted by Salmontarre:
[b]IWe can clearly see what is happening with Muslim immigration into Europe. Infibulations, honor killings, beatings and murders of homosexuals, political and media assassinations and assassination attempts, not to mention an overall increase in the crime rate.
I wish we could get some reasonable politicians who want to protect liberal social values and the welfare state, while talking honestly about Islam and how to deal with it. It's obvious to most people that war won't solve this, but we need to talk about integration and the role of multiculturalism at least, before we start having the same problems with Muslim immigration that Europe has.[/b]
Sweet shit on a stick! What an ignorant fuck.
Tue, 2007-08-14 16:51
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Originally posted by Merowe:
[b]Sweet shit on a stick! What an ignorant fuck.[/b]
Well said. Concise, brief, factual and ever so poignant.
Tue, 2007-08-14 21:56
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well played.
Wed, 2007-08-15 03:19
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]And why are you postiing here?[/b]
He's not anymore! Sorry, didn't see this before now.