RCMP murder an inocent man with a Taser
Sun, 2007-10-14 13:18
#1
Le T
RCMP murder an inocent man with a Taser
Sun, 2007-10-14 13:18
#2
Le T
The cops Tasered a man to death in the Vancouver airport.
They had no idea why he was "excited" because they couldn't speak his language. They had no idea how to tell him they would Taser him because they couldn't speak his language. They just Tasered, handcuffed and killed him.
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/14/bc-taser.html...
Sun, 2007-10-14 13:47
#3
And then when questioned about it, the RCMP will huffily deny that their officers should be subject to the law and be put on trial for negligent homicide, and then call the dead person a potential terrorist because he didn't speak English.
Sun, 2007-10-14 14:26
#4
Maysie
This is despicable, it's sanctioned murder, and we can be sure that none of the RCMP officers will be held accountable. Sickening.
From the article:
quote:
Taser devices are controversial because of the dozen North American deaths resulting from their use. There has been debate about how safe these devices are when dealing with certain kinds of people who are delirious or wound up, Brown said.
Yeah, something that can KILL people, funny how that can be so controversial. Stupid dumbfucks. And the quote from Chris Brown, the CBC reporter? What the fuck? So if you die from a taser blast it's really you're fault because you were "delirious or wound up"??? Fucking bloody hell.
In other taser news:
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What are Tasers?They are hand-held weapons that deliver a jolt of electricity – up to 50,000 volts – from up to 6.5 metres away. The shot can penetrate up to five centimetres of clothing.
It stuns the target by causing an uncontrollable contraction of the muscle tissue. He/she is immobilized and falls to the ground – regardless of pain tolerance or mental focus.
(snip)
Canadian police say Tasers have saved 4,000 lives since police forces started using them in this country in 1999.
Still, Staff Sgt. Peter Sherstan, of the RCMP's Emergency Response Team in Edmonton, says Tasers should not be considered non-lethal.
"The RCMP's position is that Tasers are a less-lethal alternative," Sherstan told CBC Radio. "There are still risks. There could be a situation where a person hit with a Taser shot could fall and hit his head. But we have to balance that out. We have several cases where if Tasers weren't present, guns would have been the alternative."
Amnesty International Canada has been calling for a suspension in the use of Tasers until studies can determine how they can be safely used.
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/]From cbc.ca[/url]
Sun, 2007-10-14 14:29
#5
Maysie
Just found this blog: [url=http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2004/07/death-wont-spark-re-evaluatio... not tasers[/url]
Sun, 2007-10-14 17:28
#6
Unbelievable!
So many stories of police brutality lately - I wish Bad Cop No Donut hadn't gone off the air. If anything, the name of the show is too mild. I'd be inclined to call it The Pig Pen.
And gee, let's hope the toxicology report comes up with some substance or other in his system so they can blame "the drugs" instead of the tasering.
[ 14 October 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]
Sun, 2007-10-14 18:08
#7
Weren't tasers sold as a non-lethal alternative to deadly force? In other words, a next-to-last resort that would only be used if the subject posed an imminent and real threat to other?
Yet everyday we are seeing cops use tasers like they were joy buzzers. Cops consider them a behavior modifier. If you don't behave, you'll be zapped. If you mouth off, you'll be zapped. If you don't immediately obey and grovel before the mighty police, they'll teach you the proper way to submit to authority.
Mon, 2007-10-15 02:42
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quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
[b]Just found this blog: [url=http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2004/07/death-wont-spark-re-evaluatio... not tasers[/url][/b]
Thanks for the link to my blog!
Mon, 2007-10-15 03:21
#9
Le T
It's a good Blog. I'm sorry that it has to exist though. Welcome to Babble.
Mon, 2007-10-15 06:22
#10
N.Beltov
Law enforcement officials have government (and vendor) financed "studies" justifying the use of tasers and send police officers to conferences to get the latest pro-Taser propaganda from the experts. Currently, the official line is that there are no deaths due to tasers and any deaths following the use of a taser are associated with the use of methamphetamines.
Apparently, if you use drugs and become "unruly" then you deserve to die. I don't know what else to think is the philosophy behind the use of such dangerous, poorly studied, unregulated and lethal weapons.
There's more. A Canadian study of stun guns induced heart attacks in pigs with pacemakers. And there is also evidence that "weapons delivering a jolt weaker than Tasers increased the risk of cardiac arrest in people with heart conditions."
Mon, 2007-10-15 07:37
#11
Isn't the purpose of the "taser" too NOT kill....the fact that they have killed 16 people so far should be an indication that the taser gun which is really the same thing as an government approved electric chair except in gun form is a killing tool for police to play with.
It's also quite evident that the electric gun seems to kill:
a) people who have a medical condition
b) people who are on medication
c) people who are on some kind of illicit drug.
Therefore the government approved electric gun is capable of killing 90% of the people it's used on.
If they (the police ) were really concerned about not killing people for sport they would use tranquilizer guns like they do on animals.
Another couple of interesting things seems to be the fact that they use it on people who are say acting up...maybe they forgot there paxil or prozac that day...maybe they are on a drug of some kind or maybe they are suffering from some kind of medical condition....all situations that mean there death should a taser be used on them.
So what's the prognosis? If this behaviour continues and people get wise to the fact that the taser kills if you meet any one of the 3 conditions they will be forced into a corner and have to fight in self defence and quite possibly be placed in a position of kill or be killed. So I would expect a lot of dead police in the future when people get wise to those facts.
It's quite obvious that the government approved electric gun is used as a torture device and killing weapon...and the excuses for cold blooded murder being strewn about look like a power show of some kind and the police look like 3rd world hit squads.
Again if the government were really interested in saving lives they would use tranquilizer guns. But there is no fun , sport or show of power in that.
You got to wonder ..they love to treat people like animals...jails, control, the occasional bone to knaw on. What's wrong with tranquilizers? Isn't that what they use on wild animals?
Nope these people are sick bastards! Simple as that...cruel murdering government approved killers. The New NeoConada enjoy it..24% of the people elected it.
Mon, 2007-10-15 08:49
#12
After the man "dropped to the floor" [i]it took[/i] three officers to handcuff him. Don't you love that spin?
Wonder what else their busy little hands were doing while this handcuffing task was in progress.
quote:
The man dropped to the floor and police said it took three officers to handcuff him. He then lost consciousness and appeared to go into cardiac arrest and was pronounced dead at the airport, the CBC's Chris Brown reported.
Mon, 2007-10-15 09:02
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"The RCMP's position is that Tasers are a less-lethal alternative," Sherstan told CBC Radio.
That quote sort of jumped out at me.
"less lethal"
Sadly, this seems to reflect the thinking within police and security circles.
Mon, 2007-10-15 09:14
#14
It's very sad indeed....and one has to wonder where this philosophy starts. When does the amount of people killed by these devices hit serial killer status? Especially when they know it kills.
In this day of the Neocon where entire groups and countries are held responsible for the actions of a few the government as well as the rcmp are guilty of murder and where does that leave the conservative voter? Guilt by association?
I think Canadians better start voting for a "less lethal" alternative!
Mon, 2007-10-15 10:40
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In this day of the Neocon where entire groups and countries are held responsible for the actions of a few the government as well as the rcmp are guilty of murder and where does that leave the conservative voter? Guilt by association?
You won't say it so I will: Gordon Campbell and Stephen Harper should be charged with the murder of this poor man.
Mon, 2007-10-15 13:40
#16
They sure are spinning a nice web....eastern european accent ..alluding to islamic terrorist....madman...alluding to crazy....3 people holding him down ..alluding to extremely strong. = An extremely strong and crazy terrorist.
Watch the delay as they doctor evidence..ever notice that? There is always this BIG delay so they can cover up ,plant and close loose ends!Then everyone goes "why the big delay?" "what took so long?" Why why why? To get there stories straight...just like an organized criminal gang does...same shit different colors.
Wonder if the poor guy was a family man with children? So much for Neo-con family values if he does. Maybe they confiscated his meds at the airport? So much for kissing homeland security's ass.And when he went into convulsions on the floor after they electrocuted him they had to hold him down, while he was hemorrhaging from the non lethal execution. So much for neocon media coverage and the integrity of a police force.
No... you can't charge Harper and friends with murder they would be placed in a prison and that would be lethal...there are probably "less lethal" ways of dealing with those "above the law killers". Maybe hard wiring the parliamentary power grid to the Throne. That would be a speech worth seeing and hearing on prime time.
[ 15 October 2007: Message edited by: Buddy Kat ]
Mon, 2007-10-15 14:09
#17
Le T
This just in...
It wasn't the cops fault at all. They have determined that the man was suffering from the rare condition called "excited delirium". You might also know this rare condition by its other euphemism, in-custody death syndrome.
Egg on all our faces! All this time we though that the electric stun-gun and three-to-one beating the man suffered was the cause of his death. Silly us. Thank you nice police officers for keeping us safe.
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/10/15/taser-death.html]link[/url]
ETA: The link! oops.
[ 15 October 2007: Message edited by: Le Tйlйspectateur ]
Mon, 2007-10-15 14:21
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Polly B
quote:
He also said officers decided against using batons to subdue the man because of how it would have looked to the public.
Words fail me.
Mon, 2007-10-15 14:30
#19
I guess using batons would show Canada isn't too much different from the country formerly known as Burma. They decided to kill him instead ..using there new scape goat weapon..the taser..that way can blame any deaths on some kind of obscure medical condition if need be.
And that's just what they did!
Mon, 2007-10-15 14:49
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N.Beltov
quote:
Le Tйlйspectateur: It wasn't the cops fault at all. They have determined that the man was suffering from the rare condition called "excited delirium".
Thanks. That was the term I couldn't remember. All the police conferences and propaganda make heavy reference to this condition. "Excited delerium" is a general term that is used to justify all, or most, deaths by taser.
The efforts of the police in this regard are at least as sophisticated as the efforts of the tobacco lobby to deny the connection between cancer and tobacco use. Ditto for the global warming deniers. Research, helpful conferences sponsored by the manufacturer, etc..
Tue, 2007-10-16 07:10
#21
Double the measure.
Double the stun.
A witness claims that the deceased suffered simultaneous firings of the Taser weapons from two of the peace officers.
There will be arguments about the voltage not being cumulative, but it seems logical to assume that the weapons, used in combination, would be doubly damaging.
I'm reminded of a movie in which a stake-out cop's gun was accidentally fired. A barrage followed immediately from the others on the stake-out. It seemed that no one wanted to be left out of the action.
I don't know to what degree the movie reflected reality, but I can't help feeling that too many have an extremely casual attitude to the results of their weapon use. Also useful, might be the occasional reminder that the trigger pulled is not that of a video game.
[ 16 October 2007: Message edited by: bliter ]
Tue, 2007-10-16 13:52
#22
Le T
quote:
I'm reminded of a movie in which a stake-out cop's gun was accidentally fired. A barrage followed immediately from the others on the stake-out. It seemed that no one wanted to be left out of the action.
King of New York?
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Wed, 2007-10-17 02:04
#23
Honestly, I have a bit of sympathy for cops in this situation. We do ask them to do a lot of stuff none of us would like to do.
And, inevitably, people will die, even if proper procedures are followed.
However, it is rare that police ever come to grips with negligence. They will deny, deny, deny, and also either invent or inflate the wrong doing of the victim.
And no one will face any consequences.
I don't believe these tragedies will ever disappear from the news. But their frequency will certainly not be reduced by our authorities keeping the police above the law.
Wed, 2007-10-17 04:42
#24
I was expecting to hear that the guy was a drug mule and the drug filled condom's he swallowed had burst.
While we call for a ban of tasers lets throw in handcuffs. A woman died in the USA a few weeks ago after she was handcuffed and strangled herself.
[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3670453]Woman Dies After Phoenix Airport Arrest[/url]
Wed, 2007-10-17 07:13
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Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
[b]Honestly, I have a bit of sympathy for cops in this situation. We do ask them to do a lot of stuff none of us would like to do.And, inevitably, people will die, even if proper procedures are followed.
However, it is rare that police ever come to grips with negligence. They will deny, deny, deny, and also either invent or inflate the wrong doing of the victim.
And no one will face any consequences.
I don't believe these tragedies will ever disappear from the news. But their frequency will certainly not be reduced by our authorities keeping the police above the law.[/b]
People don't die when proper procedures are followed..the problem is there is a shortage of properly trained and sensitive officers . What we see here going on is desperation to pacify the publics thirst for protection and the governments paranoid knee jerk re action of just planting more police out there for the sake of it.
This is the result..murdering bastards..and like all criminal organizations and gangs they will lie cover up and be above the law. Both government and police.
As far as handcuffs killing...I don't think they (handcuffs) have killed 16 people in such a short period or they would be banned. The last I seen of handcuffs as a weapon is the pics of the scrapes across an first nations persons nose and face. ...you know the guy they drove out the city on a cold winter day then threw him out of the car and let him die. The intention is for the poor bastard to freeze to death while walking back towards the city. They even took his boots off.
You know the criminal act of murder they term the "Skylight Drive" ...it's so common.
I have known and do know really good police officers...yes there are some. But there dwindling fast. Have you noticed how they seem to be getting worse as the Neo-con police state and paranoia takes hold. Look no further than our beloved government. They make all the rules and regulations for police to follow..they are the real culprit and killer.
Wed, 2007-10-17 07:54
#26
A man is in critical condition in a Montreal hospital after being tasered during a traffic stop by Montreal police.
See [url=http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com]http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com[/url]
Wed, 2007-10-17 08:05
#27
N.Beltov
The TNT website points out that the so-called medical condition of "excited delirium" used to explain the deaths by taser are not a recognized medical or psychiatric condition. The manufacturers and the police are literally making this shit up.
It should also be pointed out that "any bouncer in a downtown nightclub deals with similarly unarmed unruly patrons on a weekly basis". There really needs to be a moratorium on the use of tasers until proper, unprejudiced studies on tasers can be completed. They're a public health risk.
Wed, 2007-10-17 08:09
#28
quote:
Originally posted by Buddy Kat:
[b]People don't die when proper procedures are followed..[/b]
What I've read in the media, proper procedures where followed.
quote:
[b]As far as handcuffs killing...I don't think they (handcuffs) have killed 16 people in such a short period or they would be banned.[/b]
Handcuffs, much like tasers are not banned for police use so you can relax.
Wed, 2007-10-17 08:53
#29
Pogo
I listened to the manufacturer on CBC yesterday. In addition to the usual pile of research he did indicate that a number of mental health associations had come out in favor of tasers over batons.
I am curious if there are any aggregate statistics comparing batons to tasers (# violent incidents, % of injuries, % of deaths). If I was going to be beat to death by a cop and had a choice, I think I would rather die by taser. If I was going to be beat into submission, I again would go with the taser.
If I had a further choice, I am pretty sure I would rather not die or get beaten. Again the question comes around to police decisions in violent incidents and why they have the luxury of investigating themselves.
[ 17 October 2007: Message edited by: Pogo ]
Wed, 2007-10-17 08:57
#30
Like everything involving media and police ...while they all delay and get there stories straight, like the common criminal gang does. ..I would believe the witness's that say they went nuts with multiple attacks. Like one of those "Swarming" incidents you read about. You know like the criminal gangs..do!
I don't think the procedure is attack violently a mulititude of times till the victim starts convulsing. Over simple temper tantrums yet.
As handcuffs do the least amount of damage and they have to wrestle the guy down anyways as he goes into a convulsive state..Why wouldn't they use handcuffs? No fun...no enjoyment...and no sport...the modern day cop is using torture devices on people ..simple as that..and that will not result in a law abiding group of citizens at all.
But again they just follow the rules and regulations set out by a morally corrupt and cruel government.
Wed, 2007-10-17 09:57
#31
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo:
[b]I listened to the manufacturer on CBC yesterday. In addition to the usual pile of research he did indicate that a number of mental health associations had come out in favor of tasers over batons.I am curious if there are any aggregate statistics comparing batons to tasers (# violent incidents, % of injuries, % of deaths). If I was going to be beat to death by a cop and had a choice, I think I would rather die by taser. If I was going to be beat into submission, I again would go with the taser.
If I had a further choice, I am pretty sure I would rather not die or get beaten. Again the question comes around to police decisions in violent incidents and why they have the luxury of investigating themselves.
[ 17 October 2007: Message edited by: Pogo ][/b]
The answer is tranquilizer gun or some other way of administering an anesthetic.
I remember many years ago when an rcmp was killed by his own gun from a kid. One of the defense arguments was that the kid was beaten so badly by the use of a baton on his head years before that he did not want to experience it again.
And yes the use of a baton could probably cause brain damage...
Given a choice between beaten to death with a baton..or electrocuted to death with a taser..or tranquilized to death with a tranquilizer which would you pick?
The answer is obvious..that they refuse to use such means shows once and for all there violent and cruel nature that is further nurtured by the law and rule makers. They don't want non-violence there is no intimidation in that and that is the basis of their version of democracy , control and taxation ahemm...intimidation.
That's what they are all about.
Wed, 2007-10-17 10:20
#32
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Originally posted by Buddy Kat:
[b]The answer is tranquilizer gun or some other way of administering an anesthetic.[/b]
Buddy, you are sure good for a laugh today. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] You made my day.
Maybe we could get the police to leave something really yummy and then drop a net on them!
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Wed, 2007-10-17 11:17
#33
Here's another joke for you. Three trained men could not, without weapons, restrain a deranged man engaged in property crime. I would have suggested one cop for each arm and one sitting on the violent person's legs until calmed.
It is now reported that a son and mother were looking for each other. He came to Canada for a new life but was greeted with death.
Oh Canada. I think that more than one person died here on this day.
Wed, 2007-10-17 11:30
#34
Here is another good laugh...If any one watched the pre show antics before the great conservative rehash of last years baloney throne speech..they carried the symbol of Canadian authority from one house to the next.
What was the symbol of authority...A BIG STICK (baton)
Soon to be replaced with the new symbol ...A BIG TASER
Instead of banging on the chamber door 3 times they will just shoot it down and swarm everyone in there.
Yep that is pretty sick tho a mother going to the airport to welcome her son home, to be met with the rcmp swarm and kill unit.
So much for the family values the Conservatives promote. At least nazi's would asked for ze papers first. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2007-10-17 12:10
#35
quote:
Originally posted by scooter:
[b]Maybe we could get the police to leave something really yummy and then drop a net on them!
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You don't get it...the reactions you are seeing from todays police are because the government wants them to be this way. They (government)are crooked and have lost there fights in so many areas where their hands are tied ..like paranoia.They don't know how to deal with intimidation like the public does..they are the intimidaters..dah
The government has tried everything..They've given police the power to break laws and become criminals..they have given them the power to kill and get away with it. They have given them the power to investigate themselves for their protection..They have have basically sacrificed freedom to cover there own ass's while they blow away yours.
This shows the desperation and how far they are willing to go to protect there sorry hinds. When you look at the results you can see that they are failing miserably in all fronts. There are more drugs everywhere ..there are more weapons everywhere..there is more gangs and violent crimes everywhere..the system has fallen apart for you and me but there ass's are protected pretty good. The only question is going to be ..for how long can they sustain this criminal behaviour before it backfires.
All it will take is some wacko who knows how to use an automatic weapon..or wear a vest..and they will find their "you you whats" flying out there "you know where's" that they protect so much. by the way I'm not encouraging such drastic action!It's inevitable when they start killing people stupidly they will react. Sometimes they don't react the way they want them too!
Again ..basic laws of physics..for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
You don't have to thank me for the science lesson.
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While I don't encourage the use of violence to change laws...it's just a matter of time before someones brother ,son,child etc. gets killed by one of these taser devices and decides to go after the law makers. So far it just looks like racially motivated killings ...1 polish and 1 black in 1 week. Is this multiculturalism?
[ 22 October 2007: Message edited by: Buddy Kat ]
Wed, 2007-10-17 14:57
#36
quote:
Originally posted by Buddy Kat:
[b]You don't get it...the reactions you are seeing from todays police are because the government wants them to be this way. They (government)are crooked and have lost there fights in so many areas where their hands are tied...[/b]
You mean Lorne Calvert and Gary Doer are brain washing the police into attacking its own citizens. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2007-10-17 15:25
#37
quote:
Originally posted by scooter:
[b]
You mean Lorne Calvert and Gary Doer are brain washing the police into attacking its own citizens. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
Where did the word brainwashing come from? Where did Lorne come into play. NO I don't mean politicians are sitting around going "Oh look there is scooter, lets tase him".
I'm talking government security policy in general..here are the rules police force ..we expect you to follow them..however the ultimate responsibility for the creating of these rules laws, and regulations does fall on a government shoulder. They figure by hiding under the cloak of a legislature they get away with murder of citizens, and by the mandate we give them to lead and govern they have the right to commit atrocities on the citizens. Or more like give police the permission to tase citizens to death.
Hey I didn't write the rules. As far as brainwashing goes that's best left to the media, which performs that feat flawlessly. Proof..the rcmp just got away with murder and there is not a damn thing you can do about it and the media is the only thing in the way.
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Thu, 2007-10-18 09:41
#38
Every weekend in bars across the country bouncers deal with drunk unruly patrons. Fortunately unlike the police we don't give them lethal toys to subdue people with.
The police it seems are now being taught that their personal safety is paramount and that any measure that reduces their risk factor is a good thing no matter whether it is potentially lethal to a citizen. Police are more important is the implicit message.
Thu, 2007-10-18 11:56
#39
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The police it seems are now being taught that their personal safety is paramount and that any measure that reduces their risk factor is a good thing no matter whether it is potentially lethal to a citizen. Police are more important is the implicit message.
Yes that seems to be exactly true. Police seem to have no tolerance for anyone who disobeys a command they give. Some may say "duh, they're the police", but I think police should have other "tools" to deal with non-compliant individuals rather than the taser. Especially unarmed individuals.
I can understand police being reticent to give leeway to someone with a knife or gun, but if someone has "snapped" in public and is unarmed then the police should at least attempt to calm the person down before resorting to clubs and/or stun guns.
The police have said repeatedly that the taser allows its' officers to not have to resort to the more lethal handgun, but the situations police are using tasers in contradicts that.
If I understand correctly that means when they have to confront unarmed non-compliant individuals, which could mean say a drunk teenager after last call, they would simply shoot them?
Thu, 2007-10-18 12:14
#40
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VANCOUVER — A rookie RCMP officer says he was the victim of an unprovoked attack, beaten, choked from behind and told "to take his last breath" before he drew his weapon and shot Ian Bush. Constable Paul Koester acted in "self-preservation from imminent death or grievous bodily harm," a statement of defence filed in B.C. Supreme Court on Wednesday says.
It is already happening. His name was Ian Bush.
[ 18 October 2007: Message edited by: kropotkin1951 ]
[ 18 October 2007: Message edited by: kropotkin1951 ]
Thu, 2007-10-18 12:47
#41
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The police have said repeatedly that the taser allows its' officers to not have to resort to the more lethal handgun, but the situations police are using tasers in contradicts that.
Well, that's the thing. Tasers were supposed to be used as a replacement for lethal force, but it's clear that they are often being used as a torture device.
Why?
Why not? Who's going to gainsay the police? Certainly no one in authority in this country.
[ 18 October 2007: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]
Thu, 2007-10-18 17:40
#42
If the officers statement of claim is correct, Ian got what he deserved
I have no problem with cops using tasers instead of guns. I commend them for using a taser in every situation where they would have used a gun.
However, thats for when they would have used a gun, not instead of a club, or to spare them from getting a black eye. The policy is to use 1 officer per limb to take down someone who is not armed but resisting. If it was a cop by himself then maybe a taser but if you have 3 cops or more, it aint needed
[ 18 October 2007: Message edited by: Bacchus ]
Fri, 2007-10-19 07:00
#43
"the RCMP were too hasty to use the Taser and he refutes the police claim that the area was too crowded to use pepper spray, because "it was empty."
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/10/18/bc-taser.html... news[/url]
So the rcmp lied..whats new? They murder..and get away with it, whats's new?
What is new is the brazen in your face attitude of the rcmp and lack of any response from those in authority..this will trickle down to the general public and I would expect ...less respect for police, government, etc. So yeh they better bring in a 3 strikes your out law and double the prisons..They are going to need it in the future.
They can have all the pompous funerals they want it won't change the fact that they are killers and at this rate no better than the taliban. These are the idiots that are going to train the Afghan police army etc.to be law abiding democratic people like they are. Good luck!
Fri, 2007-10-19 08:14
#44
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Originally posted by Bacchus:
[b]If the officers statement of claim is correct, Ian got what he deserved[ 18 October 2007: Message edited by: Bacchus ][/b]
The death sentence for being drunk and disorderly.
The police officer arrested him, tried him, sentenced him and executed him for being an out of control drunk.
We should be able to get rid of the rest of the justice system they are obviously redundant.
Fri, 2007-10-19 08:24
#45
remind
Was down on the coast when this happened watching local news from the get go.
First was the statement from the RCMP saying that only "1" taser was used as only one of the officers was certified to use a taser. Which I thought was a strange addition to the talkking points. So followed it closely after that.
Then the pictures from a women who was using her phone to take pictures of it were released to the public. Her pictures clearly showed BOTH officers tasered him. So we have non-certified RCMP taser operators operating tasers.
Then came the pictures showing him quieted down well before they even tasered him. She could not understand why they even tasered him at that point. And from her pictures one has to wonder why as well.
Sat, 2007-10-20 09:43
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The death sentence for being drunk and disorderly.The police officer arrested him, tried him, sentenced him and executed him for being an out of control drunk.
We should be able to get rid of the rest of the justice system they are obviously redundant.
That's not exactly a good case for making the argument that cop's are overly quick to use lethal force.
IF we believe the officer and the story is entirely true, then what would you have had him do? The guy clearly stated his intention to end the cops life AND, the most important part IMV, was that he was in a position to make the threat a reality.
In other words the cop, according to his story, was already defeated by the other guy, and could not, by using Kung Fu or whatever, prevent the guy from delivering the coup de grace. The officer would have been under the impression he was about to die, so I see no problem IF it was true, for him to shoot the guy.
That's entirely different from a situation in which a group of cops tells someone to get down on the ground, the person doesn't comply and is unarmed and the cops start tasering him until he cry's uncle.
All I can say is that attempting to "disable" someone using electricity is crude, but is probably the best we can come up with at this point in our technological history.
Wait until police have access to weapons like neural disrupters or whatever, hundreds of years hence, something that will do no harm but immediately render someone unconscious for a time.
We'll be getting 'disrupted' for jaywalking.
Sat, 2007-10-20 10:41
#47
Then there is the case from Pincher Creek, Alberta about 1998, where the RCMP Constable Michael Ferguson went into the holding cell and shot the drunk prisoner Darren Varley twice, once in the stomach, and once in the head.
Poor fellow, Frerguson was convicted of Manslaughter. He claimed the victim attacked him and grabbed his gun. Why did he wear his weapon into the holding cell? Anyway, after shooting the guy in the stomach, he must have thought that since he had to fill out the paperwork anyway, he might as well finish the guy off. No "my word against his" if the other guy has a bullet in his skull.
Sat, 2007-10-20 15:51
#48
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Wait until police have access to weapons like neural disrupters or whatever, hundreds of years hence, something that will do no harm but immediately render someone unconscious for a time.We'll be getting 'disrupted' for jaywalking.
I think we are already at this point. We are neurally disrupted by our internalization of laws that were not made by us or in our best interest.
You can feel your body not want to do something or feel guilty after doing it because it is "illegal".
The best weapon that the state has at its disposal is still the well disciplined citizen.
Sat, 2007-10-20 17:04
#49
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]Was down on the coast when this happened watching local news from the get go.First was the statement from the RCMP saying that only "1" taser was used as only one of the officers was certified to use a taser. Which I thought was a strange addition to the talkking points. So followed it closely after that.
Then the pictures from a women who was using her phone to take pictures of it were released to the public. Her pictures clearly showed BOTH officers tasered him. So we have non-certified RCMP taser operators operating tasers.
Then came the pictures showing him quieted down well before they even tasered him. She could not understand why they even tasered him at that point. And from her pictures one has to wonder why as well.[/b]
Wait till they arrest that woman on some trumped-up charge down the road because she had the temerity to prove the RCMP were telling tall tales, and then move to ban cameras in cell phones on security grounds.
[ 20 October 2007: Message edited by: DrConway ]
Mon, 2007-10-22 08:27
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Originally posted by Maritimesea:
[b]That's not exactly a good case for making the argument that cop's are overly quick to use lethal force.
IF we believe the officer and the story is entirely true, then what would you have had him do? The guy clearly stated his intention to end the cops life AND, the most important part IMV, was that he was in a position to make the threat a reality.
In other words the cop, according to his story, was already defeated by the other guy, and could not, by using Kung Fu or whatever, prevent the guy from delivering the coup de grace. The officer would have been under the impression he was about to die, so I see no problem IF it was true, for him to shoot the guy.
That's entirely different from a situation in which a group of cops tells someone to get down on the ground, the person doesn't comply and is unarmed and the cops start tasering him until he cry's uncle.
All I can say is that attempting to "disable" someone using electricity is crude, but is probably the best we can come up with at this point in our technological history.
Wait until police have access to weapons like neural disrupters or whatever, hundreds of years hence, something that will do no harm but immediately render someone unconscious for a time.
We'll be getting 'disrupted' for jaywalking.[/b]
I think we must be talking about different stories. In the story I am referring to the person attacked a police officer with a chain and did in fact injure him seriously. However the obscene part of the story was that when he was gunned down in the streets was no longer threateneing the officer that he had injured.He had already walked away.
The arriving police officers saw the mentally ill person and the severely injured officer and in a split second decided to convict, sentence and execute this man for attacking a fellow police officer. This in a hail of bullets fired as the person was walking away from the scene.
That should not be the role of the police officer and they should be charged with negligence causing death.
Mon, 2007-10-22 08:51
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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
[b]The arriving police officers saw the mentally ill person and the severely injured officer and in a split second decided to convict, sentence and execute this man for attacking a fellow police officer. This in a hail of bullets fired as the person was walking away from the scene.
That should not be the role of the police officer and they should be charged with negligence causing death.[/b]
Now, isn't this how an organized criminal gang operates...They call themselves a brotherhood (complete with costume)and regardless of the law will act like judge jury an executioner much like a mob unit would do. They get this permission from our beloved crooked organized government "the boss"..no difference at all.
Again they treat people like animals and they refuse to tranquilize them like animals...hmmm they treat animals BETTER.