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Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Based upon its music, this is my all time favorite religion. Alas, I've become a dedicated agnostic, so I'm unlikely to convert.


My Rasta brethren would say to you .. its all about the love man.

I and I.

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I have met some very fine Rastafarian elders, who have been very strong in the spirit in ways that only my elders could understand. Then again, it is a misunderstanding to take any consideration of awareness merely from one aspect of culture, such as music. Particularly when, as with some elements of Rastafarian culture, music has become integrated with popular culture. I would hope that merely listening to Robbie Robertson would not convice someone to convert to aboriginal spiritualism.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I might have come across as a bit flippant, I see. At the time, I was simply responding to AH's creation of this thread in response to another's flippant demand for it.

I certainly didn't mean to make light of anyone's spiritual beliefs.


Very few religions have as their major tenents music and weed. I wonder if this is some sort of marketing ploy?



Originally posted by AfroHealer:
[b]My Rasta brethren would say to you .. its all about the love man.

I and I.[/b]

Yea, I can sure feel the love when I hear them saying 'battyman'. [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]

Maybe things were different when Bob Marley was around, but the Rastafari movement today, and most of Jamaica, is notoriously antigay.

Just recently, a Jamaican gay activist claimed refugee status here in Canada, due to the dangerous situation in his home country.




Its important to understand the difference btw the true teachings of Rastafarism, and the product of the intersection of Colonialism and slavery on the Africans in Jamacia.

The homophobia that is rampant in Jamacia, can be directly connected to the teachings and beliefs of those who captured and enslaved them. Christianity was imposed on the Africans and Caribs in Jamacia, which transforemd a people who were matriachial, into patriachial Eurocentric society. Which included the churches very strong and vocal anti-gay sentiments.

Its important to note that when Hali Selassie was in Jamaica, he strongly scolded the Jamaican rasta movement, for their adoption of racist and generally hateful indeology.

And taught them that if they wanted to be true rastas, they had to learn to love everyone. And learn the true Afrocentric principles behind Rastafarism.

I'm starting a thread to discuss that .. Homophobia is a Global Issues

[url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=38&t=000644]H... is a Global issue -Not Just a Race issue[/url]

[ 04 March 2008: Message edited by: AfroHealer ]


It's very important to show where the roots of homophobia comes from, the same effects of colonization can be felt some Anish' communities.

But, we cannot dismiss the very real homophobia that occurs in these cultures because it is rooted in colonization. It would be very very unfair and completely wrong to dismiss the fears gay men and women have when living in very homophobic societies, the US included.


Nobody so far has sugested that we ignore the real fears, and horrific experiences.

Why is it that just about every time abuses in the western (European ) world are brought up, the racialised peeps are told that the abuses the experience here, are not worth talking about.

What is being said, is that we should think critically about why the issues of homophobia in the mainstream western community are ignored, while GLAD and others are focusing and demonising others.

We have openly homophobic leaders in Canada and the US. There are many other issues that the author brought to the forefront.

Its important not to jump into the racial stereotyping of the so called "other".

Aknowledging the serious issues we have at home, does not in any way belittle the experiences of those abroad.

In fact acknowledging them, can help us in bridging the gaps and making the connections with the abuses globally, which can leads us to making connections with those who are fighting for social justice on a global scale.



Why is it that just about every time abuses in the western (European ) world are brought up, the racialised peeps are told that the abuses the experience here, are not worth talking about.

That's a load of crap dude, and last I checked, I was a racilaized 'peep'. Please don't start that up again.

Not one person said it wasn't worth talking about. Please, show me where anyone said not to talk about it. In fact, we're talking about it, not just in this thread, but in another one.

Please stop throwing the veiled racist threat around. It's getting old.


Here is a link with some reasonably current information.



In Africa, homosexuality is illegal for gay men in 29 countries and for lesbian women in 20 countries. The legal status in many ways mirrors the widespread homophobia on the continent, documented so clearly by statements made by, for example President Mugabe of Zimbabwe, President Nujoma of Namibia and President Museveni of Uganda. But it does not fully describe the situation, as African gay and lesbian organisations also can refer to many victories over the last years.