The families of the Toronto 18 speak out
Wed, 2008-02-27 06:35
#1
Maysie
The families of the Toronto 18 speak out
Wed, 2008-02-27 06:35
#2
Maysie
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The families of the Toronto 18 speak out
By Arsheen DevjeeIt was a packed house last month, on the evening of January 16, when the University of Toronto Mississauga (UTM) Muslim Students Association hosted one of the first opportunities for the family and lawyers of the "Toronto 18" to tell the general public their story.
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At the forum on January 16, nearly 600 people heard the stories of the Toronto 18, for the first time, from the mouths of a sister and a spouse, Fatma Khaled and Nada Amara.
Khaled's story, regarding her brother Saad, was graphic. She related the treatment of the inmates and the conditions in which they were kept. Khaled described cold cells, one inch mattresses, 24 hour lighting and wake up calls every 20 minutes. She described the treatment her brother received, from having a heavily armed guard watching him in the shower to being ordered by guards to run in shackles and handcuffs while looking at the ground.
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Two of the lawyers for the Toronto 18 also spoke at this groundbreaking forum. They outlined the difficulty in fighting this case, because in many ways the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" in regards to this case has been thrown out. The lawyers argued that before the publication ban on details of the case, the Crown was able to label the Toronto 18 guilty through the media, setting the stage of the trial.
[url=http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=67733]Full story here[/url]
Wed, 2008-02-27 10:48
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How can anyone be sure of their guilt or innocence until the evidence comes out at the trial?
Did any of the family members deny that any of the 18 were part of a group planning a large bombing?
I can certainly feel sympathy for a family seeing a loved one locked up. Being in prison is not an enjoyable experience I'm sure but this has nothing to do with their guilt or innocence regarding the bombing plot.
Wed, 2008-02-27 18:28
#4
There are many unanswered questions around the role of the informant who is much older than the concerned youth, about the epurchase of some fertilizers by the police etc..
Tue, 2008-05-06 20:12
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[url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/05/06/bomb-abuse.html?ref=rs... alleges abuse of accused by prison guards[/url]
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Michael Moon said his client, Stephen Chand, was taking a shower at Maplehurst provincial jail in Milton west of Toronto. When he tried to rinse soap from his hair, Moon said, a guard smashed Chand's face into a wall, then dragged him naked along a hallway by his hair and threw him into a bare cell smeared with feces and smelling of urine.The lawyer is demanding that surveillance videos of the incident be released by the Ontario government, though internal investigations at the facility found no wrongdoing by guards.
"These videos capture everything that goes on on the range," Moon said, "If he [Chand] did anything wrong, it will be shown on the video. If what he says is accurate, that will be shown."
Moon also says that when another inmate complained about the treatment of Chand, he too was thrown into the bare cell, known as the hole.
Sat, 2008-05-10 02:10
#6
This travesty has gone on long enough.
Something stank about it from the beginning and all we are seeing is foot dragging now.
The Toronto 18 will soon be the Toronto 2 as we hold our noses over a very nasty display of power.
Sat, 2008-05-10 03:23
#7
One of the main things that stank about the case from the start is this [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubin_Shaikh#cite_note-maclean-1]creepy police informer and possible agent provocateur[/url].
Sat, 2008-05-10 03:31
#8
Cueball
Perhaps those are the "2" Unbiased is referring too.
Sat, 2008-05-10 13:02
#9
Yes it was cueball.
I think many people were very suspicious of this whole thing right from the beginning. What irks me is that after all is said and done and the lives of all these families are ruined; who will be held accountable ?