insiders view on hate laws
Wed, 2008-07-30 06:34
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insiders view on hate laws
Wed, 2008-07-30 06:34
#2
I am not sure if others saw this story today or not. I know that the issue of free speech and hate laws have had a great discussion here. I think that this article deserves to be discussed as well.
The article is written by Grant Bristow who some may know was udnercover as a neo nazi in the '80s.
It shines a light on how the CHRC should work and in fact did work properly.
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The truth is that the CHRC did exactly what it was supposed to do. It reviewed the complaint, and rightly dismissed it. Those hollering that the commission should have rejected the complaint at the door don't understand that the intake process requires that all complaints be accepted for review. How can you reject a complaint before you've even read it? Ironically, by rejecting a claim that didn't meet the standards as set out by law, the CHRC has demonstrated that the system works.
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The CHRC is experiencing growing pains -- the world is changing, and the commission has to change with it. Growth isn't always easy. Sometimes it's messy. But to cut the CHRC off at the knees as it goes through the growth process would be a grave mistake. - Grant Bristow infiltrated Canada's neo-Nazi movement in the late 1980s on behalf of CSIS.
As an aside, this part was totally shocking. Who would have thought that neo-nazi scum would put try to kill Bernie Farber.
That is unbeleivable.
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While I was an agent of the Crown placed within the neo-Nazi Heritage Front, I saw the potential for evil with my own eyes. Heritage Front leaders, such as the late Wolfgang Droege, encouraged their minions to harass Jewish leaders and anti-racists. Plans were even made by a group of white supremacists who were an offshoot of the Heritage Front to "take out" Canadian Jewish Congress activists at their office in Toronto. Their key target was Bernie Farber, a longtime outspoken advocate against hate.
[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=688479]from nat putz[/url]
[ 30 July 2008: Message edited by: johnpauljones ]
Wed, 2008-07-30 14:32
#3
Seems like silence is golden on people like Ezra Levant who has used and abused this issue to advance his right wing agenda...and progressives know not where to go and what to say...it takes a Grant Bristow to set the record straight.
Wed, 2008-07-30 14:44
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remind
Oh yes, ohara, progressives here are so supportive of the Heritage Front. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Wed, 2008-07-30 16:13
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Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh yes, ohara, progressives here are so supportive of the Heritage Front. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]
Not to mention Ezra Levant. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Ohara, instead of lecturing us on the evils of Ezra Levant and consorting with Nazis why don't you go to some conservative boards that actually hold him up as a martyr and state the case yourself?
I suppose the CJC (and I'm not speculating on your identity, simply acknowledging the fact that the role you take here is as the self-appointed spokesperson of the CJC) would prefer to spur progressives to go to war with the right over Levant and the CHRC rather than the CJC doing it themselves and risk (further) alienating a good core of its constituency but I'm afraid you can't attack us continually over Israel, imply that progressive anti-Zionists are antisemitic, and then turn around and ask us to do your bidding in your squabble with Ezra et al. We're not your monkey. Go fight your own battles. The CJC has been flirting with the right for years so surely you must have more of a capacity to persuade them than we do.
[ 30 July 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:08
#6
This is better put to the CJC. Babblers can decide for themselves what role they want to play here rather than listening to your diversionary tactics. Always seems you have to bring israel or CJC into all these discussions. Can you not simply take responsibilities for your own actions here? If you agree with levant have the guts to say so. If you don't and have some other ideas, hell you can say that too. Perhaps letters to newspapers. CJC can't do everything for you. Time to get on your own two feet and take a stand on this issue if its important to you.
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:16
#7
As for Levant, he's a self serving tool who is so blinded by his ego that he doesn't know when he's being used as a plaything by far right anti-semites, or doesn't care. But I have no interest in going to Free Dominion or elsewhere in order to say that - it's a waste of time.
[ 02 August 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:20
#8
Actually you have no idea which blogs I may be on or have commented on but rest assured I have. What about you?
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:23
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Originally posted by ohara:
[b]Actually you have no idea which blogs I may be on or have commented on but rest assured I have. What about you?[/b]
Actually, I do, since you have the habit of calling yourself ohara on them. But you haven't actually gone onto Ezra's blog or FD, have you?
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:27
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There are many ways of posting on such blogs. BTW have you also posted on his (rather sick) blog?
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:34
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Originally posted by ohara:
[b]BTW have you also posted on his (rather sick) blog?[/b]
No, I did notice he's started to use the same vocabulary as people like Paul Fromm and Marc Lemire on a number of topics and he does seem to be Stormfront's favourite Jew, much the same way that Irshad Manji was CanwestGlobal's favourite Muslim for several years before she went to some neocon foundation in the US. I also find it curious that he attacks the CJC over the HRC but ignores the BBC even though both organizations have utilize Human Rights Tribunals over hate speech.
[ 02 August 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:53
#12
Seriously ohara, given that the attack is coming from many of your erstwhile allies on the right, you need conservatives to come out and attack Levant. Lefties do it will actually just re-enforce Levant et als claim that HRCs are socialist or communist.
Wed, 2008-07-30 19:56
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[ 30 July 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
Thu, 2008-07-31 03:32
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aka Mycroft I do not disagree and can assure you I have been doing my bit on this matter. My view is that the more who utilize comments on these arch conservative blogs to bombard with facts and opinion the better. After all the message is being read by anyone who reads the blog from the right to the left.
The real issue however is where do we stand as progressive thinking people on this very complicated issue. The neanderthal Levant type thinkers see this in only black and white. We ought to see that the challenge here are the shades of grey. This article from Bristow (no matter what one may think of him or his tactics) is a good reminder of those shades of grey.
Thu, 2008-07-31 03:57
#15
The issue as outlined here by Mr. Bristow is certainly a much different take than the standard "free speech" good any and all limits on free speech "bad".
I am not sure where to go with this other than to suggest that we all need to do much more thinking about how this plays out.
I personally am not very familiar with these conservative blogs mentioned by aka mycroft (what is FD?) but am willing to take a look at them and post my opinions if someone can point me in the (forgive the pun) right direction.
Thu, 2008-07-31 09:33
#16
I'm not sure you'd want to post on FD. You'd probably get the boot asap, plus you'd have to shower for at least 3 hours just to get the dirt off.