It's a pretty sad commentary on male/female relationships in our culture either way you look at it, isn't it?
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Young girls at Dairy Queen are evil
Fri, 2008-05-09 14:46
#52
Timebandit
Fri, 2008-05-09 16:04
#53
laine lowe
Speaking of sad commentary, this is wholly outrageous (courtesy of Walmart):
[img]http://feministing.com/whoneeds.jpg[/img]
![http://feministing.com/whoneeds.jpg[/img]](http://feministing.com/whoneeds.jpg[/img]){kind=link}
quote:
Reader Scarlett saw these oh-so-charming panties in the junior department of her local Wal-Mart on Kildare Farms Road in Cary, NC. There's nothing quite like telling adolescent girls that they don't need to worry about finances since they have their very own moneypot between their legs.
[url=http://feministing.com/archives/008226.html]Like shooting fish in a barrel?[/url]
Fri, 2008-05-09 16:41
#54
Lord almighty...
Apparently those undies say, "...when you have Santa" on the back. So when that ending is taken into account, then it isn't quite implying that the girl has a moneypot between her legs.
However, it's still pretty creepy. It's still implying, on a pair of undies made for a prepubescent girl, that Santa is her sugar daddy. The fact that it's written on undies gives it a sexual undertone.
[ 09 May 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
Fri, 2008-05-09 17:31
#55
Did someone say "complain to the CRTC" (Canadian Radio-Television Telecommunciations Commission)?
[url=http://www.crtc.gc.ca]http://www.crtc.gc.ca[/url]
See also Advertising Standards Canada, "how to submit a complaint":
[url=http://www.adstandards.com/en/consumerSite/howToSubmitAComplaint.asp]htt...
Sat, 2008-05-10 08:30
#56
remind
I agree with scout and timebandit, when I first saw the commercial, a week or so ago, I was pretty upset about and it and decided I would write a note to DQ about it, which I have not yet done due to life's happenings. But I will when I get back home, and will also write letters to the CRTC and ad standards linked to by triciamarie.
Sun, 2008-05-11 05:30
#57
The commercial is also appallingly heteronormative.
Sun, 2008-05-11 13:35
#58
It also dictates a mother-daughter separation with the dialogue:
- "I'm surprised you wanted to share"
- "Actually, I don't."
daughter-mother love being replaced by the normative girl-boy interest.
Sun, 2008-05-11 13:48
#59
Well, that is positive. Children usually "separate" from their parents (and in particular those of the same sex) as part of the process of becoming adolescents and growing up. Hopefully there is a reconciliation when the teen becomes a young adult.
I'd been thinking about the heteronormative thing too, but the problem there is not depictions of budding heterosexual interest, but the lack of depictions of budding homosexual interest, and the fact that the latter would still be stigmatised today. Life is still pretty horrible for gay adolescents.
Sun, 2008-05-11 18:15
#60
Is it really that positive? It seems to me that our patriarchal society goes to extraordinary lengths to drive a wedge between mothers and daughters (think of all those mother-in-law jokes). Can you even envision a similar message telling sons and fathers they need to let go of their male bond and separate in order for boys to grow up?
Sun, 2008-05-11 19:29
#61
Its been often said that a man isn't a man until he steps from out of his father's shadow.
Sun, 2008-05-11 20:56
#62
It's been said, yes, but if you look at cultural productions, father-worship - or at least deferral - is more often the rule.
Sat, 2008-05-17 10:10
#63
[ 17 May 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Sat, 2008-05-17 12:34
#64
500, if your female friends would like to post on babble, they should feel free.
As it is, your quoting them here simply to counter the actual real live feminist women who are trying to have a discussion really isn't helpful.
Know why? Because when real live women post here, we can discuss the issue with each other and if we disagree with each other on something, we can talk it out. Whereas some guy posting something that his friends with vaginas (and who knows whether they're feminist women or Phyllis Schlafly wannabes? Not us, because we don't know them and they don't actually post here) have told him isn't something we can discuss, is it?
Ask yourself something. What was your reason for posting what you did here? What were you hoping to get out of it? How do you want the women here to take your post? Do you want us all to say, "Oh! Your FEMALE friends said that! Oh, okay then! Well, I guess you're right, we really are just overreacting then."
Here's a clue: grab it. This forum isn't a "sociology" experiment. We're not your guinea pigs. We're feminists who are discussing a feminist issue, and you, I believe, have been on thin ice in this forum before. You're on thin ice here again.
Tell your girlfriends to post here if you're dying for us to hear their point of view. It's pretty unfair to just dump their comments in here where we can't refute them directly except through you.
[ 17 May 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
Sat, 2008-05-17 15:06
#65
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[QB]500, if your female friends would like to post on babble, they should feel free.As it is, your quoting them here simply to counter the actual real live feminist women who are trying to have a discussion really isn't helpful.
Know why? Because when real live women post here, we can discuss the issue with each other and if we disagree with each other on something, we can talk it out. Whereas some guy posting something that his friends with vaginas (and who knows whether they're feminist women or Phyllis Schlafly wannabes? Not us, because we don't know them and they don't actually post here) have told him isn't something we can discuss, is it?
Here's a clue: grab it. This forum isn't a "sociology" experiment. We're not your guinea pigs. We're feminists who are discussing a feminist issue, and you, I believe, have been on thin ice in this forum before. You're on thin ice here again.
Either you misinterpreted or I misrepresented.
These were real people I didn't make them up, A lot of my posts are on the forum and so it didn't occur to me that people would think I made these people up... The prose was clearly not my prose. None of my friends are anything like Phylis Shlaffy. Like all people, my friends are somewhat representative of me.. in their 20s, college graduates, lower to middle class, not particularly religious, often stubborn, thoughtful and gentle of heart... though usually less interested in politics. I was curious how different people might perceive it and why they would perceive it as such. That's why I referred to selection-effect in my original post. I definitely was not anticipating any sort of reaction - hello reactions are unpredictable.
quote:
Ask yourself something. What was your reason for posting what you did here? What were you hoping to get out of it? How do you want the women here to take your post? Do you want us all to say, "Oh! Your FEMALE friends said that! Oh, okay then! Well, I guess you're right, we really are just overreacting then."
What is your reason for thinking that?
I obviously do not think anyone's overreacting, hello look at what I wrote many posts above, I thought the commercial was terrible. It glorifies bad behavior and uses kids to do it.
You know, I really don't appreciate your incorrectly assuming the worst of me.
********
But anyway, you're the boss, so I deleted those comments. I didn't have time to write a reply earlier.
[ 17 May 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Sat, 2008-05-17 16:43
#66
remind
quote:
Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]Some might feel it is never ok to exploit other human beings.When I was hungry and fearing I was going to flunk out of school (couldn't afford reading glasses to see the blackboard, textbooks, etc), I signed up for clinical trials. Francesca manipulated "wanna-be-boyfriends" in exchange for groceries. I don't think she has any conception of what she did to those men or to the future women in their lives.[/b]
This attack against Francesca is unacceptable in the feminist forum. You have absolutely NO right to come in here and slam Francesca for her choice of actions, pertaining to her life! End of story, you also know you have been banned from this forum yet you still try. Says much too!
Sat, 2008-05-17 20:41
#67
Timebandit
Well, the source may not have been the right one, but I can't say the sentiment that you've quoted above is all that significantly different than mine.
Sat, 2008-05-17 21:51
#68
quote:
Originally posted by Timebandit:
[b]Well, the source may not have been the right one, but I can't say the sentiment that you've quoted above is all that significantly different than mine.[/b]
Thank you.
Remind is just stalks me around babble with her rage, no big deal, just background noise.
Sun, 2008-05-18 06:06
#69
remind
quote:
Originally posted by Timebandit:
[b]Well, the source may not have been the right one, but I can't say the sentiment that you've quoted above is all that significantly different than mine.[/b]
That is the point is it not timebandit, in this forum, men just do not get to walk in and dump their patriarchial sentiments, attack women and post ancedotal information from their "women" friends as testimony as to how feminists are off base.
And he continues to post in here after being banned from the feminist forum.
I call that ugly maliciousness and feminist baiting in the extreme.
Sun, 2008-05-18 07:32
#70
quote:
Remind is just stalks me around babble with her rage, no big deal, just background noise.
I think perhaps the stalking is the other way. You always show up in the FF, even after you have been told to listen more as you haven't a lot to offer, you can't help yourself but force your way into these discussions. It's a problem and it's yours. If your "friends" have an opinion they are free to share it, you speaking for them is wrong on a couple levels.
And top it off your insult and dismissal of a feminist in the FF is disgusting. It is not background noise, and if she's enraged it's because even here we have to put up with men like you.
Sun, 2008-05-18 07:37
#71
writer
500 Apples, for a guy who admitted this week that he didn't know what the word "misogyny" means, you might want to sharpen your skills to be attentive to those who experience the phenomenon daily in our lives.
Dismissing one of us as "noise" is astonishing.
[ 18 May 2008: Message edited by: writer ]
Sun, 2008-05-18 07:55
#72
Maysie
writer, I think you mean "500" not "FM". [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-05-18 08:00
#73
writer
Oops! Fixed. Thanks.
Sun, 2008-05-18 12:05
#74
quote:
Originally posted by writer:
[b]500 Apples, for a guy who admitted this week that he didn't know what the word "misogyny" means, you might want to sharpen your skills to be attentive to those who experience the phenomenon daily in our lives.Dismissing one of us as "noise" is astonishing.
[ 18 May 2008: Message edited by: writer ][/b]
That was not the word I looked up in the dictionary writer. The word was "shrill".
[ 18 May 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Sun, 2008-05-18 12:38
#75
500 Apples, you have already been banned from the feminism forum. That was permanent. If you post here again you're gone.
Sun, 2008-05-18 13:39
#76
quote:
Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]It's been said, yes, but if you look at cultural productions, father-worship - or at least deferral - is more often the rule.[/b]
I could do far worse in this life than defer to my father.
Sun, 2008-05-18 13:42
#77
Either of my parents, really. They're what give me hope for the institution of marriage.
Of course, I digress. Sorry.
This ad is nuts. How exactly is it supposed to be "cute"?
Wed, 2008-08-06 09:08
#78
Seems this commercial has shown up on a [url=http://babble.com/content/articles/columns/the-babble-list/15-Most-Sexis... of the 15 sexist daytime commercials.[/url] Videos of each of the commercials can be found at the link above.
Thu, 2008-08-07 08:24
#79
I notice that we are completely ignoring the perspective of the boy, and what it implies to boys and young men. There is no question that the subtext of this ad is sexual. It implies that relationships between women and men are transactional. Women make themselves available to men for goods and services.
At some point our young hero expects this transaction to be completed. Maybe it's just the pleasure of her smile, but he expects something in exchange for this sticky confection.
But wait! He's been duped! She thinks he's a fish in a barrel along with all the other damp palmed boys at the DQ. And worse she admits it to her mom which means it's a vast conspiracy where women just use men and then laugh at us behind or backs.
I would not want either my son or my daughter to take their cues from this shit.
Thu, 2008-08-07 21:11
#80
RevolutionPlease
So what do you suggest we do Blairza?
Fri, 2008-08-08 09:27
#81
We can communicate to the stations that run the ad and to DQ directly.I have to admit that my kids really aren't in any danger from this ad because
they hardly ever watch TV, and they're really vigilant about muting ads when they do. Also We don't have any DQ"S near us so we could not threaten a boycott. Still corporations don't like controversy.