"Girls only" for retail job? Don't do it, girl!
Sat, 2008-08-23 03:18
#1
"Girls only" for retail job? Don't do it, girl!
Sat, 2008-08-23 03:18
#2
I snapped this picture on my way home yesterday:
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Dear schoolgirl who might be tempted to apply for this job: Don't do it!
What year is it again? 1950? What kind of employer specifies gender and age in a RETAIL job ad? Don't fool yourself - this is no employment equity thing.
Bosses who specify young girls only for retail jobs are either a) hoping to hire someone who is too naive or ignorant to know her rights and too timid to stand up for them, or b) a pig who will either harass her himself, or let his customers and other employees harass her, or c) both a and b.
Trust me on this one: been there, done that. And even back in 1990, when I worked for a boss who hired only young women to do cash at a bakery, he wasn't stupid enough to actually specify gender in his job ad.
If dude is this brazen about it, trust me, it is going to SUCK working there. Don't do it!
Sat, 2008-08-23 07:02
#3
M. Spector
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]What year is it again? 1950?[/b]
Actually, it wasn't until 1972 that the Ontario Human Rights Code was amended to prohibit employment discrimination on the basis of sex.
Sat, 2008-08-23 07:14
#4
The year I was born!
I guess I should have said, "1970?" Thanks! [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-08-23 08:47
#5
I remember how hard it was to find a part-time job and summer jobs between the ages of 17 and 21 (year 2000 to 2004, in Montreal). I'd drop off 100 CVs at retail and movie theatres and such and receive maybe 2 phone calls. One day a friend noticed that at Guzzo theatres, every single person working behind the counter was an attractive teenage girl, and the only male employee was the janitor. I'm not sure what it is, perhaps they have research showing people spend more when an attractive teenage girl smiles back, or perhaps male managers see staff as an opportunity to "score".
When it came time to school I could not afford textbooks, or reading glasses for a while which made me effectively blind and I almost flunked out of science because I had no idea what was happening in class. I greatly resented the employment discrimination I faced. At the end of the day I got by from guinea pigging for algorithm pharma and working night shifts at one job giving 15 hours a week, sometimes followed by morning shifts at another such job.
[ 23 August 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Sat, 2008-08-23 09:22
#6
remind
Poor apples, it is tough to be a man in this female biased work world, and in the feminist forum, no less! On both accounts!!! [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-08-23 17:12
#7
Lard Tunderin Jeezus
There is some evidence that young men today do suffer some discrimination early on in their careers.
I do believe that the same data shows that they more than make up for their early losses later on. So chin up, 500 Apples.
Sat, 2008-08-23 17:21
#8
I'm not really all that concerned about discrimination against men in the shit job retail world, frankly. The reason cute girls get those jobs is because their bosses want to provide fresh meat for their customers to harass and ogle, or they think the girls are going to be docile and easy to exploit and they won't stand up for their rights.
Unfortunately, they tend to be right.
Sat, 2008-08-23 18:03
#9
Bikini baristas. Appalling lack of respect for the hirsute
Sat, 2008-08-23 18:09
#10
[url=http://www.kirotv.com/news/17237640/detail.html]bikini baristas[/url]
Sat, 2008-08-23 18:36
#11
The local Super A Store advertises for part time, after school students for part time work. The ad never mentions gender.
The manager tells me that no males ever apply for the work. It's not considered manly!!
The students start at $10.00 an hour. Evidently this is benith what guys are willing to work for.
Sat, 2008-08-23 18:40
#12
Le T
Hey, that sign's in my neighbourhood. My partner and I just saw it and couldn't believe the tenacity of Mr. (we presumed) Leone. Does anyone know of worker's rights education campaigns for young people (besides those super dumb WSIB ads) happening in Toronto? What about ones specially designed for young women to deal with the sadly inevitable sexual harassment that it widespread in most workplaces?
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[ 23 August 2008: Message edited by: Le Tйlйspectateur ]
Sat, 2008-08-23 18:44
#13
Really?? Well, it's right around the corner from my house, so we must live right near each other. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
[ 23 August 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]
Sun, 2008-08-24 07:59
#14
quote:
Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
[b]There is some evidence that young men today do suffer some discrimination early on in their careers.I do believe that the same data shows that they more than make up for their early losses later on. So chin up, 500 Apples.[/b]
Two wrongs don't make a right.
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]I'm not really all that concerned about discrimination against men in the shit job retail world, frankly. [/b]
It's not that shit, it's an opportunity for young people to pay for books, glasses, food, et cetera without participating in clinical trials or losing 25 lbs. A lot of people I knew who did work retail got management experience later on and that's nice too. Between fast food, retail, movie theatres, cashiering, et cetera there's not that many student jobs left over.
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All that said sorry I didn't notice the forum. I addressed responses and I don't think there's much more to say at this point.
Ciao.
[ 24 August 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Sun, 2008-08-24 08:04
#15
remind, you are not the moderator of this forum or any of the other ones. Please stop policing 500_Apples and other people on babble. It's getting very tiresome. The real moderators consult with each other on issues that come up on babble, we think about setting tone, we consider the seriousness of the incident before intervening, and we try to keep each other in check when it comes to personal animosity.
When you shadow-moderate this discussion forum, you do none of those things, and as a result, end up flying off the handle over things that the actual moderators might have let slide, or might have handled differently. If everyone on babble took it on themselves to moderate these forums based on their personal animosity towards other posters, this place would be nothing but people telling each other where they can and can't post, etc.
So I'm going to ask you, one more time, to please stop doing this. And that goes for any others who feel the urge to do so as well. remind isn't the only one who does it, but this is the instance that is in front of me at the moment.
Now. 500_Apples, as you know, you've been asked to stay out of the feminism forum in the past. That hasn't been lifted. You're going to have to start looking more carefully at the forums the posts appear in before responding. You will be looking at a suspension if you keep doing it.
And no, everyone else, that is not an invitation to start watching 500 like a hawk and hoping he slips up and posts here so you can jump all over him. The moderators have it under control. If we miss something, please e-mail us ONLY. Do not e-mail us AND attempt to take disciplinary action yourself in the thread.
(I should start a new thread in rabble reactions about this, I suppose. Didn't realize this post would end up being so long!)