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To be followed by "winter gardening thread"? [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

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WRT to the last thread, yes, this is a very cold gardening climate - Hardiness Zone 3a, almost at the bottom.

Boron - how do I add boron to the soil? Fertilizer?

Next year I'm not going to even attempt any of the hot weather plants - I've learned my lesson. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]

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Farmpunk: I'm a little envious of your large acreage of crops. However, I live by myself, and on a pension, so a relatively small garden is fine for me. I'm just going to be more careful what I plant next year, so as not to waste space on stuff that simply doesn't grow well.

ETA: and I'm going to try and be more careful [i]how[/i] I plant seeds next year - this year I planted beets too close. I guess I'm still learning. [img]redface.gif" border="0[/img]

I'm not going to bother with tomatoes or cucumbers next year - instead grow more turnip, lettuce, and carrots. I think I'll try growing lettuce in my small greenhouse, and see if they grow faster - and then plant second and even third crops.

My second crop of lettuce is doing really well, the second crop of carrots is coming along very slow.

[ 25 August 2008: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Boron - how do I add boron to the soil? Fertilizer? [/b]

Chicken manure is high in Boron, and also, the soil may not have enough Phosphorus to transfer Boron present into a useable nutrient, as plants need Phosphorus to uptake the Boron present, as well as other nutrients.

Moreover, adequate Phosphorus in the soil promotes early plant growth and brings about maturity quicker, for those plants that require hotter conditions.

Hang on will look for a link or 2...okay here is one on Phosphorus

[url=http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/cropsystems/DC6795.html]http:/...

Here is one about overcoming Boron lacks, it also details that Calcium is needed in equal amounts to Boron.

[url=http://www.basic-info-4-organic-fertilizers.com/boron.html]http://www.ba...

Though I do not agree with their promotion of using Borax to put Boron in soils, such a small amount is needed that applying Borax to soil can render it sterile, as too much is used usually.

Took a course once with a woman was had a garden market business, as she grows only heritage seed produce, and I took the oppotunity to pick her brain about what was wrong with my garden, as the ground is primarily glacial till and silica particals. And she was the one who told me about Boron and Phosphorus lacks in marginal soil and suggested that most likely that was the problem. So I got chicken manure, sea weed, and ground oyster shells, which seems to have solved it somewhat, still cannot grow cukes, beets, and broccoli though, and will add more chicken manure and sea weed for next year.

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We have a huge amount of mussel shells locally, as well as saltwater seaweed (which all the gardeners here use for fertilizer) so I may ground up mussel shells and combine them with the seaweed. That ought to do the trick in my large outdoor garden; for the greenhouse, I think I'll use peat moss.

scott scott's picture

The thing to do is test your soil and see what adjustments need to be made (and in what order). You will need a soil test kit and a calculator. You will get a set of numbers for how many pounds of available nutrient you need per area, then you figure how many pounds of a actual amendment you need to put down per area. I did this with my gardens and within a year - what a difference!

If you are not careful you can mess things up. It is important that the nutrients be balanced. An imbalance can be almost as bad as a deficiency. Also different crops may need different nutrient mixes. It isn't "one size fits all".

Bookish Agrarian

Testing soil can be expensive, but if you are serious about growing your own food it is worth it. Our soil is so mixed we simply use different soil types for different vegetable and fruit crops. If you are having crop problems, particularly in one type of crop you can be pretty sure it is a soil health issue if all other things are equal.

Yesterday we pickled two bushel basket full of beets. Beets are the best food in so many ways, plus they have an exciting finish in most people's bodies. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Our corn is late this year, but it is in good shape. Tomatoes are a jungle but they have been very slow this year to bloom and ripen. Not enough heat. Last year it was the exact opposite, not enough rain and too much heat.

The glamourous life of growing food I guess.

al-Qa'bong

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Yesterday we pickled two bushel basket full of beets. Beets are the best food in so many ways, plus they have an exciting finish in most people's bodies.

Beets are great. Big production for little input, plus they're nutritious.

Once when I was a kid, after a visit to the loo the day after a big feed of beets, I thought I was haemmoraging...then realised what was going on.

The produce sections of stores in France sell beets pre-cooked. They don't do that with any other vegetable. The beets don't taste very good either.

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I hate beets, except pickled. I grow them for friends. Other veggies I dislike are zucchini, winter squash, and eggplant. One morning I went out to my car and found it half full of zucchini. I guess others can't stand it either. Why do folks even bother to grow the stuff? [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

George Victor

You haven't tasted zuccini loaf, the batter sprinkled with a few raisins.

Eaten freshly baked or cold!

Freeze the shredded zuccini and help heat your place baking the loaves in mid-January. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

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The zucchini loaves I've had tend to be soft and soggy in the middle, as if they haven't been cooked enough. I'll google for a good recipe sometime, although there's no zucchini here - the two stores never order the stuff, and no one I know of grows it. I don't know if it would grow here - I doubt it's warm enough.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

If it's still soggy in the middle, Boom Boom, it's undercooked. Same thing with banana bread. Just continue to bake it until it isn't.

George Victor

Plant your zucchini late, add a soupcon of nitrogen, and water well. Just don't plant too many (your greenhouse would start them beautifully).

The baking of them is something else.

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I may try growing zucchini next year as a challenge. From the Vesey's website on growing squash:

- Plant after all danger of frost has past or when the soil has warmed to 21-27°C (70-80°F) as seed will not germinate in cool soil.

- Full sun and a soil pH of 5.5-6.5. Moderate feeders; mix plenty of organic matter into soil as squash prefers a rich loamy soil of good fertility and moisture retention. Even and sufficient soil moisture is essential. Benefits from mild feedings with a fertilizer high in phosphorous to initiate fruit formation.

That's going to be a good challenge. They obviously would have to be grown in a greenhouse here because the outdoor soil is almost always cool.

This morning I'm remembering in the past that I've had zucchini in chicken and tomato dishes in the oven, as well in baked products such as zucchini loaf, and in every case it wasn't half bad. I guess aversion to zucchini came about by having it raw in salads, which I disliked profoundly.

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This is a week old:

[url=http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/natural-farmer-masanobu...'Natural' farmer Masanobu Fukuoka passes away at 95 [/url]

excerpt:

MATSUYAMA —
Masanobu Fukuoka, the pioneer of ‘‘natural’’ farming, which eschews plowing, weeding and the use of fertilizers or pesticides, died of old age at his home in Iyo, Ehime Prefecture on Saturday, his family said. He was 95. Fukuoka was the author of ‘‘The One Straw Revolution,’’ a book that has been translated into English, Korean, Thai and several other languages, and the recipient of the Deshikottam Award, India’s most prestigious award, and the Philippines’ Ramon Magsaysay award for public service, both in 1988.

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Heya folks, internets totally screwed right now, has been for several weeks so just around briefly.
Miss it but funnily enough I'm getting way more work around the house and garden done. Hmmmm [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]
Anyways I have a zillion tomatoes but because of the weather they don't seem to be ripening that fast. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one. Dunno though the leaves are already turning on some trees in my area.

Ah zucchini, I didn't plant any this year, still have lots though. It appears I'm on the list for other's excess to be offloaded on.
One of the best, if not these best chocolate chip cookies I have ever tasted is Mom's old standby which has zucchini in it. Of course when we were younger she didn't tell us that. I mean ewwwww...in cookies? The big plus is that they stay moist and soft, but not too soft. Yum..
I'll see if I can dig up the recipe and post it. Like George I freeze it and use it in baking. I make a killer chocolate zucchini loaf.

Thanks for passing the info on about Fukuoka, Boom Boom. I first came across his books years ago in the library by accident. Fascinating stuff and I think his contributions will continue on well past his life and be recognized more and more as time trundles on.

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I'll be looking for your zucchini cookie recipe, EQ. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

al-Qa'bong

A couple of my garlic plants have seed bulbs growing at the top of their stems. I also have some that grew bulbs above the surface, which just seems weird.

If I plant these little cloves will they grow?

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Timebandit: thank you for the pickling recipe in [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=33&t=000366&p... thread[/url].

I'm going to cut and paste these recipes (still looking for the chocolate chip/zucchini cookie recipe BTW) into a separate file for future use. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

Michelle

A supplementary to al-Q's question - I've noticed that garlic bulbs, if you keep them long enough in the kitchen, start sprouting.

a) If I planted a bulb of garlic I bought at the store, would it grow more garlic?

b) Can you grow garlic indoors, or in containers on a balcony?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Planted garlic cloves will grow, but most of the garlic bought at the chain grocery stores these days comes from China, and is probably not well-suited to Canadian climates.

al-Qa'bong

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a) If I planted a bulb of garlic I bought at the store, would it grow more garlic?

That's where I got my seed stock from.

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I've noticed that garlic bulbs, if you keep them long enough in the kitchen, start sprouting.

Of course they do, they're alive. You can take a carrot out of your fridge and plant it too. You won't want to eat it, though, but you might get carrot seeds.

[ 28 August 2008: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]

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Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
[b]A couple of my garlic plants have seed bulbs growing at the top of their stems...

If I plant these little cloves will they grow?[/b]


Those little "mini cloves" are called "bulbils". They are the seeds of the garlic plant, although garlic is usually propagated vegetatively by planting cloves which produce a bulb in one year.

A planted bulbil will produce a small clove-like bulb in one year, and a proper garlic bulb in the second year. This is rarely done but it is done when you have a small amount of seed garlic and you want to grow out your seed rapidly.

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Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]A supplementary to al-Q's question - I've noticed that garlic bulbs, if you keep them long enough in the kitchen, start sprouting.[/b]

Last years crop will start to sprout now. If you have a lot of sprouting galic I have a good recipe for garlic soup. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] This years crop should have been harvested in early summer and should be in good condition until next summer.

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[b]a) If I planted a bulb of garlic I bought at the store, would it grow more garlic?[/b]

It would but a better choice would be a hard necked garlic which is the type usually grown in more northern latitudes.

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[b]b) Can you grow garlic indoors, or in containers on a balcony?[/b]

I have never heard of it being grown indoors. It should grow on a balcony. Garlic roots go deep. A well drained soil with lots of organic matter is best. High levels of nutrients are not necessary, but a mulch helps a lot, because stable moisture levels are important, and maintaining a weed free environment for the 3 seasons that the plants are in the ground is important too.

Farmpunk

Try shallots.

I've always wanted to grow and make horseradish, neither of which is supposed to be difficult. I find most store boughten horseradish to be either weak and tasteless or bitter.

On the same line, I really want to make sauerkraut, too. We've got a over a thousand cabbage to get rid of, so why not experiment? Anyone make their own sauerkraut?

On the preserve front, I'm beginning to dry jalapenos in the greenhouse. I love the flavour of slightly immature jalas in sauces and chilli. Jalapenos don't dry the best (food dehydrator helps) but cayenne peppers preserve really well.

My sweet corn is done, dammit. Close to fifty rows aren't going to produce. But I had a decent year, sold a lot.

Michelle

My mother was telling me that she has potatoes growing in her composter!

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Oh, yes, I've had that happen, too, Michelle. Also tomatoes. And I had tons of "volunteer" tomatoes and pumpkins in the beds where I spread household compost last spring.

I planted a ginger root that was sprouting, once. It was a cool houseplant until the cats gnawed on it.

I made ratatouille last night with my own eggplant, tomatoes, zucchini, peppers and herbs. It was lovely. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

I'm going to harvest some brussels sprouts this weekend -- thinking of pairing them with some roast beef and yorkshire pudding as it's going to be cool and rainy Sunday and Monday. I should have some home-grown spuds and carrots, too.

[ 29 August 2008: Message edited by: Timebandit ]

al-Qa'bong

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Oh, yes, I've had that happen, too, Michelle. Also tomatoes. And I had tons of "volunteer" tomatoes and pumpkins in the beds where I spread household compost last spring.

Yup, my garden's always covered in potato sprouts that grow from the peels I toss back there.

I know a guy from Toronto with a PhD in agriculture who didn't know you can grow potato plants from potatoes.

Farmpunk

Seriously?

Stanley10

I grew a pole cucumber this year called an Orient Express in a one gallon pot and was quite surprised at the number of long english type cukes it produced for the small space it required. We've been eating them sliced up in a dish of vinegar and sugar(a fresh pickle)or straight up. The kids love them and they are the first thing to go on the dinner table.
Beans and tomatoes are not doing that well this year. I'm in the rain forest of the west coast.

al-Qa'bong

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Originally posted by Farmpunk:
[b]Seriously?[/b]

Yes. Did you think I was makng this up? The guy specialises in producing animal feed these days.

I planted Straight 8's in containers this year. They certainly aren't producing like those Orient Express cucumbers.

A couple of years ago I let volunteer English cucumbers grow in the garden and they produced really well.

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I thinned out my garden today, because I have too many plants growing too close together; and I gave away lettuce, beets, and rutabagas to friends.

I picked a dozen rutabagas for myself and some carrots. I can't believe I still have about 25 rutabagas in my garden!

Tonight I had two carrots and one rutabaga, boiled, and then mashed, with a tiny bit of margarine and salt and pepper, on the side with my pasta dish. Delicious! [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

Sharon

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I'm going to harvest some brussels sprouts this weekend ...

I love brussels sprouts. I par-boil them and then toss them with olive oil and coarse salt and roast them in a hot oven until they're starting to caramelize. Squeeze a lemon over them just before serving and they're so delicious.

Meanwhile, I'm going to hang some stalks of oregano to dry. I'm going to leave them on the stalk and in the winter, I'll just tap them over whatever I'm cooking as I see the great chefs doing. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

lagatta

I also love Brussels sprouts - dear little miniature cabbages. Too bad they have such a bad rep from evil overcooked cafeteria versions swimming in liquid.

Unlike boom boom, I love winter (or autumnal) squash. Don't forget to use some pieces of it in couscous.

Squash is one of the Three Sisters, alongside corn (maize) and haricot beans. The staples of the diet of many agricultural Aboriginal peoples in North and Central America (and parts of South America). Sure, the guys went hunting for lovely game, but you could count on the Sisters.

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Another Brussels sprouts fan here. A small supply came on our supply ship two weeks ago and I was at the store early for the best selection. I simply cooked them on low heat in a fry pan with sunflower oil, turning them often, then just before serving I turned the heat high to sear them all over; and dabbled some Parmesan over the lot. Delicious with my pasta dish.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

My kids (well, the blond guy and I, too) love brussels sprouts steamed to a brilliant green with a little butter or lemon.

This is our second go-round with b-sprouts. Last year I tried them from seed and they didn't get quite big enough. We got bedding plants this year, and I'm hoping to get a couple of meals out of them.

They look really cool growing in the garden, too.

I also have a few butternut squashes in the garden, but they won't be ready for a while yet.

Fidel

Everybody likes brussel sprouts, and a man, with blonde hair and a tan. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

lagatta

I go for smallish and dark myself. (Men, that is, not brussels sprouts). Have a cute friend in Brussels, but his parents were Spanish refugees from fascism.

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lagatta, I never knew Brussel sprouts had a bad reputation - I thought that was broccoli, and only because an idiotic George Bush said he doesn't eat them (see:
[url=http://www.canadafreepress.com/medical/cardio-vascular081191.htm]President Bush, Eat your Broccoli![/url] )

excerpt:

So, Mr. President, no doubt you need radioactive iodine to treat hyperthyroidism. But if your Mother were preparing breakfast on Air Force One she would make sure you ate grapefruit, melon, peaches, oranges, bananas or rhubarb all loaded with potassium.

I'm equally sure she would place fish, meat, cauliflower, brussel sprouts and potatoes on your plate for lunch and dinner. And when you were not looking she might even toss some broccoli in your soup! That, Mr. President might provide extra insurance against irregular heart beats, and against other cardiovascular problems.

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Originally posted by Farmpunk:
[b]I've always wanted to grow and make horseradish, neither of which is supposed to be difficult. I find most store boughten horseradish to be either weak and tasteless or bitter.[/b]

Just be careful Farmpunk, make certain you are willing to dedicate a patch to your horseradish for all eternity. It is almost impossible to get rid of once established. Excessively hardy. We have it growing in a couple of place in our housing co-op including at the top of a hill totally exposed to north wind and west winds... it thrives. (Calgary, home of early and late frosts, hail, strong winds and drought -- a gardener's paradise)

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Veseys doesn't carry horseradish, but they do carry many varieties of radish, including an exotic-looking Chinese variety called (I kid you not) Red Meat. My regular radishes grew very well and I am going to grow several varieties next year. I wonder if horseradish will grow here, if I can find a supplier? (very cold climate here)

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseradish]Horseradish has a page on Wiki![/url]

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Horseradish (Armoracia rusticana, syn. Cochlearia armoracia) is a perennial plant of the Brassicaceae family, which also includes mustard, wasabi, and cabbages. The plant is probably native to southeastern Europe and western Asia, but is popular around the world today. It grows up to 1.5 metres (five feet) tall and is mainly cultivated for its large white, tapered root.

The horseradish root itself has hardly any aroma. When cut or grated, however, enzymes from the damaged plant cells break down sinigrin (a glucosinolate) to produce allyl isothiocyanate (mustard oil), which irritates the sinuses and eyes. Once grated, if not used immediately or mixed in vinegar, the root darkens and loses its pungency and becomes unpleasantly bitter when exposed to air and heat.

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According to Greek mythology, the Delphic Oracle told Apollo that the horseradish was worth its weight in gold.

excerpt:

Horseradish is perennial in hardiness zones 2 - 9 and can be grown as an annual in other zones, though not as successfully as in zones with both a long growing season and winter temperatures cold enough to ensure plant dormancy.

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Anyone besides Bookish Agrarian and I have luck with spinach this year?

How about Broccoli and Brussel sprouts? I'd love to try them here, but I don't klnow anyone here on the Quebec coast who has luck with them. I think I'm the first person here to grow spinach.

ETA: Veseys says: Broccoli loves cool weather and will head prematurely in warm temperatures.

[ 30 August 2008: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]

Brian White

It has been a strange year in my garden. Cold spring and I totally underestimated the slugs cutworms and earwigs.
+ I was distracted with solar cooking experiments.
Stuff started off slow and has continued that way. not many early plums, about 3 buckets of them but now the grapes are ripening.I have 3 kinds of grape. Looks like a good crop as long as I get them before birds and racoons. Have been more lucky with the figs. The early ones failed prob because I did not water enough. but the second crop seems earlier and I have been eating them as they ripen. Beans are almost finished which surprises me. The slug prevention program includes about 20 containers of homebrew beer and the copper wire out of any old useless wires I find. From old stuff in the house. Copper wire wrapped around big 3 or 4 gallon pots of soil is the ONLY way I have got lettuce to grow this year. I just strip it out of the old plastic over the wires by pulling slowly on the plastic and on the wire.
I steralized soil in my tracking solar cooker to save on soil imports. That works but I got bored with it after a while. And it distracted me from gardening!
Gotta get fall seedlings in. kohl rabi, cabbages and lettuce. perhaps some mesculin too.
The big red peach size plums are ripening now.
They are usually lovely.
My lot is 40 wide by 150. Even in a lazy bad year, I am amazed at how much food it produces.
I am very concerned about the lack of bees this year, both native and honey.
Beer is the only pesticide I used so far this year.
Brian in victoria.

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The only pests I have to cope with are the crows. I built a scarecrow and placed it in the centre of the garden, and the crows landed all over it, aparently thanking me for building them a rest stop. [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]

On another note, my second crop of lettuce is doing really well - about 30 heads to harvest around the middle or end of this month! Tomatoes are still, green though. I'll have to get that Fried Green Tomatoes recipe. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]Tomatoes are still, green though. I'll have to get that Fried Green Tomatoes recipe. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]

You're not alone, Boom Boom. Last year in an allotment garden in Toronto? [url=http://patsgreenthumb.blogspot.com/2007/09/more-tomatoes-last-week-i-got... of tomatoes[/url]
This year? [url=http://patsgreenthumb.blogspot.com/2008/05/now-ive-done-it-i-took-little... tomatoes[/url]. Same day, two different years. Oh, and the jalapenos did absolutely nothing. Plants are the same height they were at the end of May.

So yup, Boom Boom, time for fried green tomatoes, [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/22/dining/227arex.html?ref=dining]green tomato and lemon marmalade[/url], [url=http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1623,156190-255198,00.html]green tomato chutney[/url], [url=http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/GREEN-TOMATO-JAM-102047]green tomato jam[/url], or even [url=http://www.dianaskitchen.com/page/cake/grtompie.htm]green tomato pie[/url].

Yup, I'm starting to look at recipes for what to do with lots of green tomatoes.

Oh... and if you are going to get a hard frost and still have green tomatoes, tear up the whole plant and hang it upside-down in the basement. My parents swear by that method to enable the rest of the tomatoes to ripen.

[ 02 September 2008: Message edited by: Digiteyes ]

Bookish Agrarian

That's a good suggestion with the tomato plant

In the meantime before a hard frost remove some or most of the leaves so that all sunshine gets into the tomatoes. Make sure you cut, not rip. That's an oldtimer's way passed on to me and it works well.

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Thanks for all the tomato tips! I think there's a green tomato chutney one can make as well. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

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I'm not going to bother with tomatoes next year - I think I'll just use my greenhouse for a row of lettuce, carrots, and radishes, in addition to growing them outdoors in the main garden. Just so I'll have an earlier crop.

lagatta

This has nothing to do with any specific seasoning of gardening, but Boom Boom and anyone living in a remote location might look into growing sprouts. I've been sprouting mung beans - it is fun and they are very nutritious. Much fresher and tastier than storebought.

Buy organic mung beans to make sure they will sprout - Boom Boom can probably find those in Sept-Iles.

As for tomatoes, you can't really eat them cold as is, but some tinned dice tomatoes are nice enough now to use in preparations like taboulй. Seems tomatoes are a good thing to eat to protect against prostate cancer.

Brian White

In victoria james bay sustainable something [url=http://jbsc.seedwiki.com/]http://jbsc.seedwiki.com/[/url] is giving a sprouting workshop for 5 bux incl sprouting stuff on tuesday 9th at 7pm

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Originally posted by lagatta:
[b]This has nothing to do with any specific seasoning of gardening, but Boom Boom and anyone living in a remote location might look into growing sprouts. I've been sprouting mung beans - it is fun and they are very nutritious. Much fresher and tastier than storebought.

Buy organic mung beans to make sure they will sprout - Boom Boom can probably find those in Sept-Iles.

As for tomatoes, you can't really eat them cold as is, but some tinned dice tomatoes are nice enough now to use in preparations like taboulй. Seems tomatoes are a good thing to eat to protect against prostate cancer.[/b]


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