Sarah Palin II

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Mon, 2008-09-01 11:43

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by unionist:
[b]
I agree. Unfortunately it was her politically calculating mother who announced the pregnancy, reckoning she could profit better this way than risking being confronted later.
We are talking about a brutal and cold society.[/b]

The way I see it, social conservative positions are usually bad, but it's far worse and more hypocritical when candidates such as Palin (or Mark Foley, or David Vitter, or Larry Craig, or John McCain, or... ) know that it is bullshit. Such examples epitomize the underlying fact that many social conservative positions are artificial and without sound basis.

Mon, 2008-09-01 11:46

#103

pogge

quote:

Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]I don't think anyone is attacking Palin's daughter.[/b]

No, you're just posting her picture in a public forum and inviting speculation about her "values" based on a T-shirt. [i]Her[/i] values are none of your business. She's not a public figure and hasn't asked to be one.

And excusing it by suggesting that someone else dragged her into the spotlight is just that: an excuse.

Mon, 2008-09-01 11:47

#104

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

quote:

Originally posted by pogge:
[b]No, you're just posting her picture in a public forum and inviting speculation about her "values" based on a T-shirt.[/b]

I agree with your larger point, but I believe that the pic is actually one of a Sarah Palin in the 1980s.

Mon, 2008-09-01 11:48

#105

Doug

This bit of information is perhaps more relevant. Before she ran for mayor of her small town, Palin was apparently a member of the Alaska Independence Party. That'll go over really well.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881]http://...

Mon, 2008-09-01 11:51

#106

pogge

quote:

Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
[b]I agree with your larger point, but I believe that the pic is actually one of a Sarah Palin in the 1980s.[/b]

Then I will apologize for jumping to conclusions about the pic, but given the accompanying quote and the accompanying post, my point stands.

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:01

#107

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by pogge:
[b]
No, you're just posting her picture in a public forum and inviting speculation about her "values" based on a T-shirt. [i]Her[/i] values are none of your business. She's not a public figure and hasn't asked to be one.
And excusing it by suggesting that someone else dragged her into the spotlight is just that: an excuse.[/b]

You seem to be confused.

You see the woman in the picture? She has a 1980s haircut. That person in the picture is Sarah Palin, not Sarah Palin's daughter, which should have been obvious from context regardless.

The values of candidates for vice president are certainly fair game, as well as evidence their behavior renders their stances hypocritical.

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:14

#108

pogge

quote:

Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]You seem to be confused.
[/b]

If you look just above you'll see that the confusion has already been sorted out. Meanwhile you posted the pic without any identification, with an accompanying quote about the daughter's pregnancy and with a comment of your own about Palin's [i]family[/i] and their values. I don't think my confusion was all that surprising.

And. my. point. still. stands.

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:32

#109

al-Qa'bong

quote:

Hmmm...all this talk about seizing the levers of power from rich old white guys turns into sour grapes rather quickly when it is a tough,capable female from the wrong side of the feminist tracks who does the seizing.

Feminist shmeminist.

I'm glad Palin is a candidate, if only because by seeing more women running things, some people will be made aware that it doesn't matter much whether a male or a female is in power - the problem is that [i]someone[/i] is in power.

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:45

#110

martin dufresne

"Seizing the levers of power" is no big deal when you ensure the powers that their interests will be protected from any radical reform and that they can hand you those levers without a worry in the world.

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:45

#111

aka Mycroft

Seems she used to be a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party. [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881]Link[/url]

Mon, 2008-09-01 12:55

#112

pogge

quote:

Originally posted by 500_Apples:
[b]The values of candidates for vice president are certainly fair game, as well as evidence their behavior renders their stances hypocritical.[/b]

The voters you'll likely win over with that approach aren't going to listen to you. The people they'll listen to have already vetted Sarah Palin and [url=http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/yes-sarah-palin-was-vetted-by-dda... approve of her[/url]. You meet these people on the battlefield of their choosing and you lose.

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:00

#113

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by pogge:
[b]The voters you'll likely win over with that approach aren't going to listen to you. The people they'll listen to have already vetted Sarah Palin and [url=http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/yes-sarah-palin-was-vetted-by-dda... approve of her[/url]. You meet these people on the battlefield of their choosing and you lose.[/b]

So rather than letting go and moving on, you've responded to me with a link to some blog making claims of conspiracy theory?

quote:

She [Sarah Palin] was vetted by the only group that matters - the super-secretive Council for National Policy. ... ..What this also means is that she was totally forced on John McCain

Which, while not entirely impossible, should require more evidence than some blogger, and is not pertinent to my rather mundane claim that there is political capital to be gained from exposing the hypocrisy of many social conservatives.

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:16

#114

torontoprofessor

I'm puzzled: Which of SP's actions indicate that SP is a hypocrite? (I wouldn't be surprised if there were some such actions, but I'm not sure which of SP's actions in particular 500_Apples is referring to...)

Surely, the actions of SP's [i]daughter[/i] don't make SP a hypocrite. Many parents have teenaged children who do not act according to the parents' values (whether lefty or righty). It doesn't make the parents themselves hypocrites. Moreover, it doesn't make a 44-year old a hypocrite, if 20 years earlier she wore an ill-advised tee-shirt.

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:19

#115

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by torontoprofessor:
[b]I'm puzzled: Which of SP's actions indicate that SP is a hypocrite? (I wouldn't be surprised if there were some such actions, but I'm not sure which of SP's actions in particular 500_Apples is referring to...)
Surely, the actions of SP's [i]daughter[/i] don't make SP a hypocrite. Many parents have teenaged children who do not act according to the parents' values (whether lefty or righty). It doesn't make the parents themselves hypocrites. Moreover, it doesn't make a 44-year old a hypocrite, if 20 years earlier she wore an ill-advised tee-shirt.[/b]

She promotes sexually conservative values (i.e. abstinence only sex education, criminilizing abortion) even though she herself did not live a sexually conservative lifestyle. The tshirt is not a dissertation it's an anecdote. She was also a pot smoker and a beauty queen. Apply Bayesian reasoning and come up with a general framework now.

With respect to her daughter having sex outside of marriage in spite of receiving abstinence-only sex education, that's probably a case of cognitive dissonance rather than hypocrisy, mea culpa.

[ 01 September 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:41

#116

Scout

quote:

Why don't the anti-Palin complainers here spend their time more constructively by learning from Palin how to present a successful feminist seizer of the levers of power.

Jester if you were a newbie I'd ignore this, you aren't - fuck you.

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:53

#117

Policywonk

[url=http://www.truthout.org/article/mccain-running-mate-sarah-palin-misled-g... Palin misled GOP supporters[/url] by giving a misleading version of the "Bridge to Nowhere" controversy.

[url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881]Sarah Palin and the AIP[/url]

Whether she was actually a member or not, she did make a taped address to their Convention.

[url=http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at3.shtml?5day#contents]Hurricane Hanna[/url]

And another hurricane may disrupt the Republican Convention as Hurricane Hanna is predicted to make landfall later this week. Perhaps not until Thursday or Friday though and it doesn't look like a major hurricane (currently category 1).

Mon, 2008-09-01 13:55

#118

Stargazer

Really, get a grip. This woman has NOTHING to teach us about feminism.

Mon, 2008-09-01 14:35

#119

miles

quote:

Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]Really, get a grip. This woman has NOTHING to teach us about feminism.[/b]

Agreed but unfort no true teacher of feminism is on the national political stage in the usofa. where have the political leaders gone to?

Where are this generations leaders?

Mon, 2008-09-01 14:56

#120

Catchfire

Well, already the macho democrat 'wits' are going to work on Sarah Palin. Jon Stewart mocked her high-pitched voice while she was talking about breaking the 'glass ceiling' and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rhn__x1YxI]fucking Bill Maher[/url] ridiculed her for being a 'hockey mom', called her a 'stewardess' and then a 'MILF'. Good thing we can vote for these fuckers to improve the lives of women everywhere and stand up for feminist values.

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:19

#121

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by Catchfire:
[b]Well, already the macho democrat 'wits' are going to work on Sarah Palin. Jon Stewart mocked her high-pitched voice while she was talking about breaking the 'glass ceiling' and [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rhn__x1YxI]fucking Bill Maher[/url] ridiculed her for being a 'hockey mom', called her a 'stewardess' and then a 'MILF'. Good thing we can vote for these fuckers to improve the lives of women everywhere and stand up for feminist values.[/b]

Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are not the democratic party, they are television comedians.

For those who may be surprised Catchfire's post is misleading. The references to hockeymom were brief in the Maher video, and it was as an item of derision not ridicule. CF may have gotten confused as the audience found most of the comments (which were meant as ridicule) to be funny.

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:22

#122

500_Apples

Video of John McCain checking out Sarah Palin.

[url=http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccainvideos/youtube/mccain-eyes....

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:25

#123

jester

quote:

Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]"Seizing the levers of power" is no big deal when you ensure the powers that their interests will be protected from any radical reform and that they can hand you those levers without a worry in the world.[/b]

Well, martin, then you are not seizing the levers of power,your just a stooge. I'm refering to seizing the levers of power [b]in spite[/b] of the elitist interests as Palin has done in Alaska.

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:28

#124

jester

quote:

Originally posted by Scout:
[b]
Jester if you were a newbie I'd ignore this, you aren't - fuck you.[/b]

Very constructive - I'll take it as long as I don't actually have to do any hard work. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:29

#125

Catchfire

quote:

[b]Originally posted by 500_Apples:[/b]
For those who may be surprised Catchfire's post is misleading. The references to hockeymom were brief in the Maher video, and it was as an item of derision not ridicule. CF may have gotten confused as the audience found most of the comments (which were meant as ridicule) to be funny.

Sorry, which comments were derision and which were ridicule? I do get confused. I suppose the comments were brief--as brief as it takes to say 'hockey mom'. It doesn't surprise me you are incapable of identifying sexism when you hear it. Since this is outside the FF (where you are banned) you can answer this: how do you defend calling a public figure a 'Mom I'd like to Fuck' several times? Is that 'an item of derision' or 'an item of ridicule'?

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:36

#126

jester

quote:

Originally posted by Stargazer:
[b]Really, get a grip. This woman has NOTHING to teach us about feminism.[/b]

No. She has much to teach regarding bearding the lion in its own den though.

I've read much commentary on this site regarding the many reasons that women won't stand for office in Canada and some of the reasons relate to the nasty attitudes in the House. I do not consider that Palin would be afraid of the menfolk in the HOC. Most likely, the men would be very afraid of her. Ask the Alaska Republican establishment - she will have some of them in prison.

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:42

#127

500_Apples

quote:

Originally posted by Catchfire:
[b]Sorry, which comments were derision and which were ridicule? I do get confused. I suppose the comments were brief--as brief as it takes to say 'hockey mom'. It doesn't surprise me you are incapable of identifying sexism when you hear it. Since this is outside the FF (where you are banned) you can answer this: how do you defend calling a public figure a 'Mom I'd like to Fuck' several times? Is that 'an item of derision' or 'an item of ridicule'?[/b]

You're very confused indeed.

I did not refer to the MILF comments, and I was not defending them. One thing you can do is copy and paste my previous post into a text file, type in "Ctrl F" simultaneously, type in "MILF" - without the quotation marks, and you'll be told there's no match.

quote:

Originally posted by Catchfire:
[b]how do you defend calling a public figure a 'Mom I'd like to Fuck' several times? [/b]

According to your logic, since I didn't refer to the MILF comment in my post, I was "defending" it. Quit trolling. You want a justification for grown men with public exposures using the word MILF in a casual manner to be posted on babble? Don't ask me to do it for you - do it yourself.

[b]PS[/b] You've responded to a post of mine. I see that your word is about as valid as the content of your posts in general.

[ 01 September 2008: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]

Mon, 2008-09-01 15:47

#128

oldgoat

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