Update: Big Bang experiment fails to end world

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aka Mycroft
Update: Big Bang experiment fails to end world

 

aka Mycroft

Looks like the experiment has come to pass without the earth being sucked into a black hole of our own creation - contrary to the predictions by fearmongers.

[url=http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/Science/article/496540]'Big bang' test a success[/url]

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M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Let us know when they find the Higgs boson.

500_Apples

This is amazing.

The start of the LHC, it's the feel good story of 2008, and very possibly the only thing about 2008 which will be noted in history books in a thousand years.

For good analysis, I highly recommend Peter Woit's blog: [url=http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/]http://www.math.columbia.e...

He's known for being a string theory skeptic, but in general he does good collecting quotes and going to a lot of conferences.

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Pogo Pogo's picture

When I listened to the fearmongers they didn't say that the catastrophe would happen immediately. Instead they said that this experiment may create an anti-matter particle (or some other thingy-dingy) that would over time dissolve the earth.

Reminds me of Slaughterhouse Five where the universe is destroyed by an experiment with rocket fuel.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

My memory's a bit foggy, but I think you mean 'ice-nine' from [i]Cat's Cradle[/i], Pogo.

Pogo Pogo's picture

I will check.[url=http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=16476]Slaughterhouse Five review[/url]
quote from the reviewer, not the book:

quote:

The death of all those innocent people

could not be stopped, it was predetermined by some unknown force just as

the destruction of the Universe, by a Tralfamadorian testing a new fuel, is

also predetermined and unstoppable


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500_Apples

The google main page celebrates this historic experiment:

[img]http://www.google.com/logos/lhc.gif[/img]

500_Apples

String theorist Lubos Motl on the [url=http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-supersymmetry-should-be-seen-at-lh... for seeing supersymmetry at the LHC:[/url]

quote:

Supersymmetry (SUSY) would also count as the first experimentally confirmed prediction of string theory that was historically not a postdiction.

Its discovery would double the spectrum of elementary particles in a way that is not obvious, that was was qualitatively predicted for decades, and that some people still find unbelievable. It could be interpreted as a discovery of new, anticommuting dimensions of space. The discovery of supersymmetry would surely be considered as one of the most amazing discoveries of experimental science of all time.

It sounds fantastic. It sounds too good to be true.

Nevertheless, some of us are now predicting that the LHC is more likely to see SUSY than not. A figure "60%" has recently become popular as a description of our confidence that SUSY will be there. Of course, if you evaluate many arguments, it is extremely unlikely that you end up with a posterior probability that is so close to 50%. So what many of us actually expect may be a number close to 90% or higher. We just want to be modest and cautious so we artificially reduce the estimate to 60%. We mix our qualified opinions with the sociological priors. ;-)

In this text, I want to explain why I think that supersymmetry is more likely to be found there than not.


Papal Bull

OCT 21 IS WHEN THE WORLD ENDS

martin dufresne

??????? Do you have this on papal authority?
The thread title is misleading. The actual collision experiment will not be held for months:

quote:

...Now that the beam has been successfully tested in clockwise direction, CERN plans to send it counterclockwise. Eventually the two beams will be fired in opposite directions with the aim of smashing together protons to see how they are made...

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500_Apples

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]??????? Do you have this on papal authority?[/b]

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Papal Bull

quote:


Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]??????? Do you have this on papal authority?[/b]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI]yes[/url]

martin dufresne

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM]Large Hadron Rap[/url]
Check it...

remind remind's picture

It's broke and has a helium leak, which will not be fixed for at least 2 months, and then it has to carry on testing from there so, it will be longer than a few months yet.

remind remind's picture

Was thinking about this machine all of sudden breaking, if I believed in Divine intervention, I would say that this might be an example of it! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

martin dufresne

Maybe the machine WAS started up and immediately shunted us in a parallel universe where everything is slowly going awry while in the original one, property values are stable, Harper is trailing the NDP, NATO has agreed to leave Afghans and Pakistanis alone, climate change has stopped, Sven's 'puter blew up... (Aaaah... Philip K. Dick!)

500_Apples

Apparently the Superconducting Super Collider that the US government canceled in the early 1990s would have been ~2.5x more powerful. They canceled it because it was expected to cost US$ 15 billion. They had what they considered to be more important priorities.

GOD

quote:


Originally posted by martin dufresne:
[b]Maybe the machine WAS started up and immediately shunted us in a parallel universe where everything is slowly going awry while in the original one, property values are stable, Harper is trailing the NDP, NATO has agreed to leave Afghans and Pakistanis alone, climate change has stopped, Sven's 'puter blew up... (Aaaah... Philip K. Dick!)[/b]

Good guess Martin, but it was the only universe in which the Leafs were going to at least make it to playoffs in'09. Sorry, but I've just had so many prayers, and a God's gotta do what a God's gotta do.

Tommy_Paine

Actually, the helium leak is not an accident, it is a test result. By confirming Murphy's Law, this now paves the way to confirming that the fundamental building block that makes string vibrate in however many dimensions it vibrates in, and is the unified field that manifests itself things like magnetism, gravity, banana peels and suspended pianos and safes is, in fact, irony.

Explains about everything you see and experience rather parsimoniously, doesn't it?