Palin VII
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:14
#1
Sven
Palin VII
Fri, 2008-09-12 06:14
#2
Sven
[url=http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/0... Zamboni[/url] by Ellen Goodman
Fri, 2008-09-12 07:01
#3
More on her public image?
Cute little plays on hockey mom imagery?
Enough, thank you.
Fri, 2008-09-12 07:50
#4
Sven
Palin’s [b][i]“existential threat”[/b][/i] to the Democrats (by [url=http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/09/12/why-she-really-scares-them/#mo... Morris[/url]):
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[b]For two weeks, Democrats and their media allies have leveled scorching fire at Sarah Palin. It’s not having much effect, but they keep at it anyway.* * *
Why do Democrats feel so threatened?
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Basically, it’s this: John McCain only endangers Democratic chances of victory this November, but Sarah Palin is an existential threat to the Democratic Party.
She threatens a core element of the party’s base - women.
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Democrats can’t stomach seeing the feminist movement’s impetus for greater female political participation and empowerment “hijacked” by a pro-life woman who espouses traditional values. They must obliterate her, lest her popularity eat away at their party’s core.
So the Democrats are hysterical in their attacks on her. South Carolina’s Democratic Party chairwoman, Carol Fowler (wife of a national party chairman), said that the only qualification Palin had for vice president was that she hadn’t had an abortion. Tabloids are digging up dirt on Palin’s children. And liberal bloggers have suggested that Palin would neglect her children if she were elected (while the Democratic candidate has young children at home, too).
That liberals would resort to such blatant sexism shows their desperation.
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She’s not popular because she’s a radical feminist or pro-choice advocate. It’s because she understands what it’s like to be a woman in 21st century America. [/b]
As mentioned in the preceding “Palin thread”, the Washington Post poll taken a few days ago showed a 20% shift among white women from Obama to Palin (Obama had been leading McCain by about 50% to 42% in mid August among white women — now, McCain leads Obama by 12% in that same demographic group). That is a [i]huge[/i] shift. And, if it is sustained (or even largely sustained), Obama will lose in November.
Fri, 2008-09-12 08:04
#5
In a Munchauseian world bent on self-destruction, I suppose one should not be shocked by this demonstration of mass ignorance. In fact, looking back to another nation's choice of chancellor nearly eight decades back, it's not without precedent.
Fri, 2008-09-12 08:11
#6
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by George Victor:
[b]In a Munchauseian world bent on self-destruction, I suppose one should not be shocked by this demonstration of mass ignorance. In fact, looking back to another nation's choice of chancellor nearly eight decades back, it's not without precedent.[/b]
Yes. Of course. Palin = Hitler.
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Fri, 2008-09-12 09:17
#7
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she understands what it’s like to be a woman in 21st century America.
And Dickhead Morris knows what that's like. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img] Just because you have a fetish for sucking women's toes, Dick, doesn't meant you know what it's like to be a "woman in 21st century America."
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On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute. A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony. The Daily Telegraph reported that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President. The Telegraph also alleged that Morris had a preference for "toe-sucking and dominance," and that he regaled Rowlands with a version of "Popeye the Sailor Man," performed in his underpants.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di...
But have no fear, he's a truly repentant man:
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"A number of readers reminded us of the details of his 1996 sex scandal that made the tabloids. But Morris is a changed man since then. He got help for his sexual addiction and also converted to Christianity. He is now an active member of the Catholic Church. Morris also has expressed remorse for helping Bill Clinton.
[url=http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2002/morris.html]http://conwebwatc...
And Sven, that you post a column from that moron again only confirms for me your concern troll status.
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: josh ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 09:34
#8
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
[b]And Sven, that you post a column from that moron again only confirms for me your concern troll status.[/b]
Just because you disagree with Morris doesn't make him a "moron". He's a pretty astute political observer and strategist.
Fri, 2008-09-12 09:39
#9
Pretty telling that you object to my description of Morris, but not my description of you.
In any event, there's nothing "astute" about Morris. Outside of being a Republican/Faux shill and rabid Clinton hater, he blows with the mind and is usually wrong 9 out of 10 times.
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Such a "great political mind" is Morris, in fact, that he predicted Rick Lazio would defeat Hillary Clinton for New York Senate the day before the election. (Hillary, as we all know, won a double-digit victory.) He also predicted Hillary wouldn't run for Senate at all.Morris, in fact, has a long history of murky prognostication. In 1998, he predicted the Democrats "will absolutely be obliterated" in the midterm elections, losing 30 House seats and five Senate seats. (Democrats wound up gaining five House seats and holding even in the Senate.) He also predicted that five certain Democratic senators might side with the GOP on calling witnesses during Clinton's impeachment trial; all of them voted to dismiss the trial instead.
[url=http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2002/morris.html]http://conwebwatc...
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: josh ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 09:51
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Palin is battling allegations that she and her advisers pressured Monegan to fire Wooten. Palin has said she fired Monegan over budget issues and denies any wrongdoing, calling Wooten a "rogue trooper" who threatened her family during his divorce from the governor's sister.
Shea, who says he's an admirer of Palin's, said Thursday that the governor's aides are trying to stall an investigation into Monegan's dismissal by the state Legislature.
"The problem, in my opinion, is that there has been out-and-out cover-up and misleading statements by staffers in the governor's office," he said. "And the parallel that I tried to draw is, you know, the problem with the firing or terminating of the U.S. attorneys."
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/palin.investigation/?iref=hpmostp...
Fri, 2008-09-12 11:26
#11
Did anyone see [url=http://opedna.com/2008/09/08/wasilla-police-billed-sexual-assault-victim... little gem[/url] about one of Palin's less-than-stellar decisions?
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: DrConway ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 12:05
#12
The comments from some of the men are beyond sickening.
Fri, 2008-09-12 13:50
#13
An animal rights group has taken aim at Sarah Palin with this ad - not a bad effort:
Fri, 2008-09-12 14:41
#14
Sven
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Originally posted by Doug:
[b]An animal rights group has taken aim at Sarah Palin with this ad - not a bad effort:[/b]
I suppose she eats weiners, too.
Fri, 2008-09-12 14:41
#15
This is fun:
[url=http://www.phillymag.com/arts_entertainment/articles/whats_what_with_lyn... Carter: Sarah Palin is NOT Wonder Woman![/url]
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She’s the anti-Wonder Woman. She’s judgmental and dictatorial, telling people how they’ve got to live their lives. And a superior religious self-righteousness ... that’s just not what Wonder Woman is about. Hillary Clinton is a lot more like Wonder Woman than Mrs. Palin. She did it all, didn’t she?
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:30
#16
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug:
[QB]An animal rights group has taken aim at Sarah Palin with this ad - not a bad effort:
Yeah, it's a good ad. Her refusal to protect the endangered polar bear would also be a good one.
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:37
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Originally posted by Sven:
[b]I suppose she eats weiners, too.[/b]
I have no information on her sexual habits.
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:42
#18
Sven's take on the implications of Palin's ascension (by the great unwashed of America, not by God's hand):
[QUOTE]
Originally posted by George Victor:
In a Munchauseian world bent on self-destruction, I suppose one should not be shocked by this demonstration of mass ignorance. In fact, looking back to another nation's choice of chancellor nearly eight decades back, it's not without precedent.
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Yes. Of course. Palin = Hitler.
[END QUOTE]
Try and come at it from analysis of the population, Sven. You know, the people around you? Don't confuse the mirror with the window. And then look up Munchausen - the clinical condition!
Fri, 2008-09-12 15:53
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Boom Boom
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Originally posted by josh:
Her refusal to protect the endangered polar bear would also be a good one.
Reminds me of this: [url=http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=24683433292]POLAR BEARS for OBAMA/BIDEN[/url]
excerpt:
Stand with Polar Bears across the Arctic against the relentless Bush/McCain/Palin assault on their livelihood and infrastructure. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-09-12 20:15
#20
M. Spector
[url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/12/MNSA12SBUQ.D... would support war with Russia[/url]
Fri, 2008-09-12 20:39
#21
So in order to prove she can be "one of the men", she'd commit the USA to a war with a country that no nation has successfully invaded without ruinous losses, and which still has nuclear weapons?
I realize that this says something about the ongoing sexist macho bravado that pervades US politics, but I think it also says something about Palin that she can't see what a bad idea it is to support a war with a country whose leadership and people are Not Impressed(TM) with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the US's seeming complicity in weakening the Russian economy throughout the 1990s.
Fri, 2008-09-12 21:50
#22
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
[b]So in order to prove she can be "one of the men", she'd commit the USA to a war with a country that no nation has successfully invaded without ruinous losses, and which still has nuclear weapons?[/b]
[url=http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm]Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty[/url] says:
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[b]The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.[/b]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:01
#23
Sure, hide behind the NATO statute that means Georgia could basically play nuclear chicken with Russia. You're purposely missing my point, that regardless of what the treaty says, the "facts on the ground" would tell just about anyone that getting into a long conventional war with Russia is a [i]really bad idea[/i], and a nuclear war with Russia would also be a [i]really bad idea[/i].
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:03
#24
Sven, you are as wise and as knowledgeable as Palin. Yes the NATO agreement says that, an attack on one member of NATO is to be considered an attack on all, yadda yadda, but please take a look here:
[url=http://www.nato.int/STRUCTUR/countries.htm]The 26 member countries of NATO, as listed on the NATO web site[/url]
...and try to find Georgia on the list.
Edit: Maybe Palin, following in the great Bush legacy of idiocy, is thinking of that other Georgia. In which case she's a bit of a dove, if she's only threatening war if they do it a second time.
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: Albireo ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:08
#25
remind
Anyhow, below is a Palin Clearing house link to all the crap, said person, has pulled and done.
[url=http://www.thepoliticalhub.com/list/19.aspx]http://www.thepoliticalhub.c...
h/t bnr
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: remind ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:09
#26
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
[b]Sure, hide behind the NATO statute that means Georgia could basically play nuclear chicken with Russia. You're purposely missing my point, that regardless of what the treaty says, the "facts on the ground" would tell just about anyone that getting into a long conventional war with Russia is a [i]really bad idea[/i], and a nuclear war with Russia would also be a [i]really bad idea[/i].[/b]
I suppose Western Europe was "hiding behind" Article 5 for fifty years, too...(and, in fact, it was).
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Originally posted by Albireo:
[b]Sven, you are as wise and as knowledgeable as Palin. Yes the NATO agreement says that, but please take a look here:[url=http://www.nato.int/STRUCTUR/countries.htm]The 26 member countries of NATO, on the NATO web site[/url]
...and try to find Georgia on the list.[/b]
Of course. Neither is the Ukraine. But, if they were members of NATO, they would have the protection of NATO.
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:15
#27
OK Sven, put down your pom-poms. The pep rally is over.
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American intelligence confirms that the latest military actions in South Ossetia were started by Georgia and Russia’s position in the conflict was correct, says [b]Republican [/b]California Congressman Dana Rohrabacher. He said the situation reminded him of the Bay of Tonkin incident, which the U.S. used as a pretext for beginning the war in Vietnam."The Russians are right! We're wrong! Georgia started it, the Russians ended it," Rohrabacher said at a hearing in the House of Representatives
[url=http://www.kommersant.com/p-13183/r_538/Russia_Georgia_conflict_U.S._hea.... Intelligence Sees It Russia’s Way
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Fri, 2008-09-12 22:16
#28
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Originally posted by Sven:
[b]But, if they were members of NATO, they would have the protection of NATO.[/b]
Yes, sorry, I missed some context there in the interview. Apparently she said, yes, she'd support admitting Georgia into NATO, and yes, she'd go to war if Russia later attacked. Maybe knowing Georgia isn't in NATO, maybe a relatively young person still following the cold war paradigm, or (more likely, I think) just winging it on a subject that's outside of her knowledge and experience.
Also from M. Spector's link above:
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Palin said she had insights into U.S. relations with Russia because "they're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska ... from an island in Alaska."
A paraphrase, to be sure, but by the same token I am an expert on Canada-US relations, and so are half a million sea-gulls, because we've all looked across lake Ontario and seen the US.
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: Albireo ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:21
#29
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
[b]Sven, you are as wise and as knowledgeable as Palin.[SNIP]
...and try to find Georgia on the list.[/b]
Here's the specific exchange between Gibson and Palin on the subject of Georgia and war with Russia:
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Originally posted by George Victor:
[b]GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.
GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.
PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.
Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but...
GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?[/b]
ETA: I see that Albireo and I cross-posted...
[ 12 September 2008: Message edited by: Sven ]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:26
#30
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
[b]OK Sven, put down your pom-poms.[/b]
My point in these comments is that the hysterical comments akin to "Palin looking for war with Russia!!" are made to make her look even less competent on foreign affairs than she already is. I think a simple reporting of the transcript or video suffices...without the hyperbole.
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:29
#31
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by Albireo:
[b]...but by the same token I am an expert on Canada-US relations[/b]
As are at least half of all babblers!! [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:38
#32
remind
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]My point in these comments is that the hysterical comments akin to "Palin looking for war with Russia!!" are made to make her look even less competent on foreign affairs than she already is. I think a simple reporting of the transcript or video suffices...without the hyperbole.[/b]
Um, so you are objecting to some making Palin look worse than she is? And you are seriously asking people not to?
Goo dluck with that, Palin deserves all she is getting and more.
Fri, 2008-09-12 22:44
#33
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Um, so you are objecting to some making Palin look worse than she is? And you are seriously asking people not to?
Goo dluck with that, Palin deserves all she is getting and more.[/b]
Shrieking hyperbole, particularly in the media, is simply undercutting the credibility of those making such comments.
If you say Palin said, "XYZ" or did "ABC" but Palin didn't say YZ or do BC, it undercuts the speaker's entire credibility, even though Palin said X and did A.
It's just astounding to me the half-truths and hyperbole I've been reading about Palin in the media. The public reads or listens to it and say, "Well, what you said here is clearly not accurate or true" and many will just tune out all criticism entirely (even the criticism that is factually correct or legitimately justified).
Fri, 2008-09-12 23:03
#34
remind
Do you have links for this hypothesis, or facts that that is what people are saying? Cause it is a tool the Repubs use all the time, and seems pretty effective for them, eh?
So, really, why are you trying to force that false conceptual framework here?
And BTW you got a good deal of hyperbole going on yourself, what with your use of "shrieking", and "hysterical", while you are calling others on their alleged use of it.
The good 'ole double standards at work eh?
Fri, 2008-09-12 23:13
#35
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[b]Do you have links for this hypothesis, or facts that that is what people are saying?[/b]
Just read the Huffington Post (or even a few MSM newspaper/magazine columnists).
The whole thing, for example, about Palin not knowing what "the" Bush Doctrine is has gotten plenty of play. But, Charles Krauthammer in the [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR200809... Post[/url] sliced and diced both Charlie Gibson and the NYTs (and all of the other commentators who rolled their eyes about Palin's "gaffes" about "the" Bush Doctrine).
And Krauthammer, by the way, thinks Palin was a terrible choice for VP given, among other things, that she barely qualifies as even a foreign policy neophyte.
Fri, 2008-09-12 23:39
#36
remind
So, he can get all "hysterical" and "shrieky" about those he feels are getting that way and about those he believes do not know what the "right Bush Doctrine is", and it is fine?
As I said, the Repubs are famous for it, and do it, as we can see and have seen in respect to ALL Democratic candidates, and towards all people on the left, but yet others should not point out flaws and failings, and give her a break, why? oh, that's right her gender and the fact that she is a 'Mother'.
Sexist asshat that he is.
This says it all and is a good example of him doing what he allegedly was calling out. Plus with the added bonus of sexism.
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Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.
Reading his superioity complex was 5 minutes of my time that I will never get back. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-09-13 03:46
#37
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]Shrieking hyperbole, particularly in the media, is simply undercutting the credibility of those making such comments.
If you say Palin said, "XYZ" or did "ABC" but Palin didn't say YZ or do BC, it undercuts the speaker's entire credibility, even though Palin said X and did A.
It's just astounding to me the half-truths and hyperbole I've been reading about Palin in the media. The public reads or listens to it and say, "Well, what you said here is clearly not accurate or true" and many will just tune out all criticism entirely (even the criticism that is factually correct or legitimately justified).[/b]
Thanks for your concern trolling. Why don't you just come out and say you support Palin instead of continuing this charade.
Sat, 2008-09-13 07:00
#38
Sven
quote:
Originally posted by josh:
[b]Why don't you just come out and say you support Palin instead of continuing this charade.[/b]
Actually, I think she's a horrible pick for the country...specifically for foreign policy reasons. She may know basic "talking points" but, I fear, that's it. Foreign policy is too critical to be handed over to someone who (1) has so little knowledge about foreign policy and (and this is the real kicker) (2) has shown very little past interest in the subject. Most politicians who are running for president and vice president have a very active interest in foreign affairs matters and have spent a considerable amount of time thinking about it, even if they have little actual experience with foreign affairs.
[ 13 September 2008: Message edited by: Sven ]
Sat, 2008-09-13 07:50
#39
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Most politicians who are running for president and vice president have a very active interest in foreign affairs matters and have spent a considerable amount of time thinking about it, even if they have little actual experience with foreign affairs.
Dubya didn't. Like Palin, he had never had a passport until just before the election. Not that a passport qualifies one as an expert in anything but it just shows that for many voters, it doesn't matter how "provincial" their candidates are. Of course, in the end, Bush won by cheating in Florida.
One thing I find interesting is that the Republicans are now conferring rock star status on Palin - the same thing they criticized Obama for. Except, like the message or not, many people were drawn to Obama for his oratory skill and message of "hope". Palin rock fans are probably getting "paid" to attend rallies.
Sat, 2008-09-13 07:54
#40
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
[b]I suppose Western Europe was "hiding behind" Article 5 for fifty years, too...(and, in fact, it was).[/b]
Ahem, no. Board the failboat.
At no time did a country like, say, West Germany, get into an open, armed conflict with an Eastern Bloc neighbor, such as, say, Czechoslovakia, or even start a belligerent war of words over territorial claims which then expanded into armed conflict with the potential for nuclear war.
In fact, according to some writers on the Cuban missile crisis, Cuba (in an entirely different part of the world) could be accused of having dragged the Russians into a game of nuclear chicken with the USA. I'm sure the US government would be thrilled (not!) to play the same role if Georgia keeps on as it does.
Sat, 2008-09-13 12:13
#41
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My point in these comments is that the hysterical comments akin to "Palin looking for war with Russia!!" are made to make her look even less competent on foreign affairs than she already is. I think a simple reporting of the transcript or video suffices...without the hyperbole.
Including Georgia in Nato would naturally be perceived by Russia as an aggressive and provocative act and also compel NATO to defend Georgia. Inviting conflict isn't that distinct from "looking for war."
Sat, 2008-09-13 16:48
#42
ElizaQ
Don't have much time to follow the craziness down south? Found this fact checking site which seems to sum up a lot of whats going on. Plus for some reason the 'pants on fire' graphic cracks me up.
[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/]http://www.politifact.com/truth...
NYT's Article on the flury of 'untruths'.
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/us/politics/13mccain.html?_r=2&partner...
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McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as DistortionsMcCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions
By MICHAEL COOPER and JIM RUTENBERGHarsh advertisements and negative attacks are a staple of presidential campaigns, but Senator John McCain has drawn an avalanche of criticism this week from Democrats, independent groups and even some Republicans for regularly stretching the truth in attacking Senator Barack Obama’s record and positions.
Mr. Obama has also been accused of distortions, but this week Mr. McCain has found himself under particularly heavy fire for a pair of headline-grabbing attacks. First the McCain campaign twisted Mr. Obama’s words to suggest that he had compared Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, to a pig after Mr. Obama said, in questioning Mr. McCain’s claim to be the change agent in the race, “You can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig.” (Mr. McCain once used the same expression to describe Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health plan.)
Then he falsely claimed that Mr. Obama supported “comprehensive sex education” for kindergartners (he supported teaching them to be alert for inappropriate advances from adults).
Those attacks followed weeks in which Mr. McCain repeatedly, and incorrectly, asserted that Mr. Obama would raise taxes on the middle class, even though analysts say he would cut taxes on the middle class more than Mr. McCain would, and misrepresented Mr. Obama’s positions on energy and health care.
A McCain advertisement called “Fact Check” was itself found to be “less than honest” by FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan group. The group complained that the McCain campaign had cited its work debunking various Internet rumors about Ms. Palin and implied in the advertisement that the rumors had originated with Mr. Obama.
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[ 13 September 2008: Message edited by: ElizaQ ]
Sun, 2008-09-14 05:32
#43
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McCain’s tactics are drawing the scorn of many in the media and organizations tasked with fact-checking the truthfulness of campaigns. In recent weeks, Team McCain has been described as dishonorable, disingenuous and downright cynical.
. . . .
Current campaign aides and other Republicans who’ve closely watched the race, however, have a very different response to the media elites and good-government scolds: We don’t care what you think.
McCain seems to have made a choice that many politicians succumb to but that he had always promised to avoid — he appears ready to do whatever it takes to win, even it if soils his reputation.
[url=http://tinyurl.com/68vwso]http://tinyurl.com/68vwso[/url]
If for no other reason, this is why I, and other progressives, usually vote for the Democrat. People who will do anything to win, and have no respect for the truth using tactics that would make Joseph Goebbles smile, cannot be permitted to get away with it.
Sun, 2008-09-14 06:48
#44
Eve Ensler, the American playwright, performer, feminist and activist best known for "The Vagina Monologues", wrote the following about Sarah Palin:
DRILL, DRILL, DRILL
I am having Sarah Palin nightmares. I dreamt last night that she was a member of a club where they rode snowmobiles and wore the claws of drowned and starved polar bears around their necks.
I have a particular thing for Polar Bears. Maybe it's their snowy whiteness or their bigness or the fact that they live in the arctic or that I have never seen one in person or touched one.
Maybe it is the fact that they live so comfortably on ice. Whatever it is, I need the polar bears.
I don't like raging at women. I am a Feminist and have spent my life trying to build community, help empower women and stop violence against them. It is hard to write about Sarah Palin.
This is why the Sarah Palin choice was all the more insidious and cynical.
The people who made this choice count on the goodness and solidarity of Feminists.
But everything Sarah Palin believes in and practices is antithetical to Feminism which for me is part of one story -- connected to saving the earth, ending racism, empowering women, giving young girls options, opening our minds, deepening tolerance, and ending violence and war.
I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is one of the most dangerous choices of my lifetime, and should this country choose those candidates the fall-out may be so great, the destruction so vast in so many areas that America may never recover.
But what is equally disturbing is the impact that duo would have on the rest of the world.
Unfortunately, this is not a joke. In my lifetime I have seen the clownish, the inept, the bizarre be elected to the presidency with regularity. Sarah Palin does not believe in evolution. I take this as a metaphor.
In her world and the world of Fundamentalists nothing changes or gets better or evolves.
She does not believe in global warming. The melting of the arctic, the storms that are destroying our cities, the pollution and rise of cancers, are all part of God's plan. She is fighting to take the polar bears off the endangered species list.
The earth, in Palin's view, is here to be taken and plundered. The wolves and the bears are here to be shot and plundered.
The oil is here to be taken and plundered. Iraq is here to be taken and plundered.
As she said herself of the Iraqi war, "It was a task from God."
Sarah Palin does not believe in abortion. She does not believe women who are raped and incested and ripped open against their will should have a right to determine whether they have their rapist's baby or not. She obviously does not believe in sex education or birth control. I imagine her daughter was practicing abstinence and we know how many babies that makes.
Sarah Palin does not much believe in thinking. From what I gather she has tried to ban books from the library, has a tendency to dispense with people who think independently. She cannot tolerate an environment of ambiguity and difference.
This is a woman who could and might very well be the next president of the United States.
She would govern one of the most diverse populations on the earth.
Sarah believes in guns.
She has her own custom Austrian hunting rifle.
She has been known to kill 40 caribou at a clip.
She has shot hundreds of wolves from the air.
Sarah believes in God.
That is of course her right, her private right.
But when God and Guns come together in the public sector, when war is declared in God's name, when the rights of women are denied in his name, that is the end of separation of church and
state and the undoing of everything America has ever tried to be.
I write to my sisters. I write because I believe we hold this election in our hands.
This vote is a vote that will determine the future not just of the U.S., but of the planet.
It will determine whether we create policies to save the earth or make it forever uninhabitable for humans.
It will determine whether we move towards dialogue and diplomacy in the world or whether we escalate violence through invasion, undermining and attack. It will determine whether we go for oil, strip mining, coal burning or invest our money in alternatives that will free us from dependency and destruction.
It will determine if money gets spent on education and healthcare or whether we build more and more methods of killing.
It will determine whether America is a free open tolerant society or a closed place of fear, fundamentalism and aggression.
If the Polar Bears don't move you to go and do everything in your power to get Obama elected then consider the chant that filled the hall after Palin spoke at the RNC, "Drill Drill Drill."
I think of teeth when I think of drills. I think of rape. I think of destruction. I think of domination.
I think of military exercises that force mindless repetition, emptying the brain of analysis, doubt, ambiguity or dissent.
I think of pain.
Do we want a future of drilling? More holes in the ozone, in the floor of the sea, more holes in our thinking, in the trust between nations and peoples, more holes in the fabric of this precious thing we call life?
Eve Ensler
[ 14 September 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]
Sun, 2008-09-14 06:50
#45
ElizaQ
Meanwhile back home in Alaska...
[url=http://www.whisperdispatch.com/news/politics-govt/hundreds-show-for-anti... Show for Anti-Palin Rally[/url]
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The protest came about two hours after Palin delivered a rousing speech at Anchorage's new convention center before leaving the state to return to the campaign trail. Palin was named John McCain's running mate on Aug. 29. This was her first return since then to her home state.
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Anne Applegate-Scott, a 44-year-old attorney and stay-at-home mom, held a sign that said, "I don't vote for liars." Applegate-Scott said she actually voted for Palin for governor but won't vote for the McCain-Palin ticket. Palin, she thinks, has become a "product" of McCain handlers and won't let her talk to the media.When she does talk, Applegate-Scott accused Palin of lying about her record.
"She lied about her position on earmarks and building the bridge," Applegate-Scott said referring to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. "She talks about her being a feminist but it is convenient feminism, it doesn't cost her anything."
[/QUOTE][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/13/in_anrchorage_an_a... Post Article on Rally [/url]
[url=http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally... Women Reject Palin Rally is Huge[/url]
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The rally was organized by a small group of women, talking over coffee. It made me wonder what other things have started with small groups of women talking over coffee. It’s probably an impressive list. These women hatched the plan, printed up flyers, posted them around town, and sent notices to local media outlets. One of those media outlets was KBYR radio, home of Eddie Burke, a long-time uber-conservative Anchorage talk show host. Turns out that Eddie Burke not only announced the rally, but called the people who planned to attend the rally “a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots”, and read the home phone numbers of the organizers aloud over the air, urging listeners to call and tell them what they thought. The women, of course, received many nasty, harassing and threatening messages.
............Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn’t honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute. This just doesn’t happen here.
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So, if you’ve been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin’s rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy the photo gallery. Feel free to spread the pictures around (links are appreciated) to anyone who needs to know that Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans. The citizens of Alaska, who know her best, have things to say.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNlcYaEOLRM]Alaska Rallies Against Palin (video)[/url]
Sun, 2008-09-14 09:30
#46
Tina Fey really nailed her Palin impression down pat on SNL last night. The voice was right on.
Sun, 2008-09-14 12:16
#47
Someone should ask Palin and McCain if they approve of [url=http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote]this tactic[/url]. Same old stinking Repubs.
Sun, 2008-09-14 13:03
#48
ElizaQ
quote:
Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]Tina Fey really nailed her Palin impression down pat on SNL last night. The voice was right on.[/b]
quote:
[url=http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/live-from-new-y.html]...The Governor [/url]and her staff were watching from 30,000 feet.Palin was on board her campaign jet flying from Reno to Denver as 11:30 PM Eastern rolled around. But the show was available on the Jetblue charter's satellite TV system.
Standing alongside SNL cast member Amy Poehler who was impersonating Hillary Clinton, Fey's Palin extolled her foreign policy expertise in a flat midwestern accent: "I can see Russia from my house!"
There were howls of laughter from the sizeable press corps covering Palin's first foray on the campaign trail without her running man as a chaperone.
But, from the front of the plane, silence. The flight attendants assured us Palin and her entourage were watching. What she thought, though, is anybody's guess.
Palin has yet to say so much as hello to the press corps.
Sun, 2008-09-14 14:08
#49
quote:
Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]Tina Fey really nailed her Palin impression down pat on SNL last night. The voice was right on.[/b]
When Palin was announced as the vice-presidential candidate, the guy at
[i]The Superficial[/i] said that Tina Fey received the nomination.
Sun, 2008-09-14 18:36
#50
ElizaQ
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/282... plan Project 'Sarah Palin'[/url]
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Neoconservatives plan Project Sarah Palin to shape future American foreign policyNeoconservatives whose influence had been waning in Washington have hitched their colours to rising star Sarah Palin in a bid to shape US foreign policy for another decade.
By Tim Shipman in Wasilla, Alaska
Comments by the governor of Alaska in her first television interview, in which she said Nato may have to go to war with Russia and took a tough line on Iran's nuclear programme, were the result of two weeks of briefings by neoconservatives.
Sources in the McCain camp, the Republican Party and Washington think tanks say Mrs Palin was identified as a potential future leader of the neoconservative cause in June 2007. That was when the annual summer cruise organised by the right-of-centre Weekly Standard magazine docked in Juneau, the Alaskan state capital, and the pundits on board took tea with Governor Palin.
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A former Republican White House official, who now works at the American Enterprise Institute, a bastion of Washington neoconservatism, admitted: "She's bright and she's a blank page. She's going places and it's worth going there with her."Asked if he sees her as a "project", the former official said: "Your word, not mine, but I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment."
Pat Buchanan, the former Republican presidential candidate and a foreign policy isolationist, who opposes the war in Iraq, the project most closely associated with the neocons, said: "Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has.
"Look for the neocons to move with all deliberate speed to take her into their camp by pressing upon her advisers and staff, and steering her into the AEI-Weekly Standard-War Party orbit." The AEI, or American Enterprise Institute, is a free-market think-tank with many neo-cons among its members.
In the two weeks since she was named as Mr McCain's running mate that is just what has happened. While Mr McCain was publicly distancing himself from the policies and personalities of the Bush administration, Mrs Palin was sequestered with a series of former aides to George W. Bush.
Sun, 2008-09-14 19:24
#51
quote:
Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]Tina Fey really nailed her Palin impression down pat on SNL last night. The voice was right on.[/b]
It's really incredible. [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/14/politics/fromtheroad/entry444814...'s the video.[/url]