Palin VIII

From the roof of my building I see....

....trees, which makes me a tree-climber, forester and lumberjack
... Lake Ontario which makes me an expert on fishing, sailing and captaining the ferry to Toronto Island
... Bob Rae's and George Smitherman's storefront office. I'm afraid to ask what that makes me [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]
... the CN tower which makes me a broadcaster, a satellite transmitter and a tourist attraction. Look out, Toronto. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

In answer to Martha's request for a link to back up my "Bush never had a passport" (or traveled abroad before becoming president) - I am unable to find a link. I also recall that his first ever trip outside North America, was to Britain and Europe after becoming prez. I'll look a bit more.

Back to Palin - anyone see this article?

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10167]Sarah Palin’s links to the Christian Right[/url]

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Sarah Palin has spent more than two and a half decades of her life as a member of an Alaska church which is part of a fanatical Christian-named cult project that is sweeping across America. Palin comes out of the most radical stream of US Born-Again Evangelism known as ‘Joel’s Army,’ an offshoot of what is called Dominionism and sometimes also called the Latter Rain cult or Manifest Sons of God. The movement deliberately attempts to remain below the radar screen...

As one researcher familiar with the history of the Third Wave Movement or Dominionism describes, ‘The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form ‘Joel’s Army’ to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God.’4

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Not sure about the website and author because there were some sloppy mistakes but interesting nonetheless.

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Not sure about the website and author because there were some sloppy mistakes but interesting nonetheless.

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I find this even more interesting.

[url=http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=09&year=2008&bas... Palin Annointed[/url]

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That's what a charismatic evangelical I know told me in an e-mail yesterday. When he saw Sarah Palin speak on television two weeks ago in Dayton, he called his wife and said, "I do not know who this woman is, but she is anointed. She must go to a spirit-filled church."

"By anointing," he continued in his e-mail to me, "I mean more than just stage presence. I mean authority. Palin believes what she is saying. It comes through. She is confident because she believes she is right. I have yet to hear , 'uhhh,' or a 'ummm' from her when she speaks. There is no weighing, no political hesitation in her voice. She is gifted in that area."

When she looks cocky, willing to ignore or lie about inconvenient facts, and willing to exploit power to get what she wants -- for charismatics and Pentecostals, Palin, who was raised in the Assemblies of God, a Pentecostal denomination, is displaying that she is anointed by God. Prominent charismatics have begun talking publicly about her anointing, like Lee Grady, the editor of Charisma magazine, who wrote in a post titled "The Deborah Anointing":

Talk about a role model. Palin’s life is a prophecy to America. She doesn’t have to preach against abortion. She and her family, even with their flaws, are the embodiment of the compassionate pro-life values America desperately needs to adopt. When McCain announced that he had chosen Palin as his running mate, I was reminded of the biblical story of Deborah, the Old Testament prophet who rallied God’s people to victory at a time when ancient Israel was being terrorized by foreign invaders. Deborah’s gender didn’t stop her from amassing an army; she inspired the people in a way no man could. She and her defense minister, Barak, headed to the front lines and watched God do a miracle on the battlefield.

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She and her defense minister, Barak, headed to the front lines and watched God do a miracle on the battlefield.

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Perhaps they should start looking at the 1 person who actually has the same Biblical name, hence may have the actual spirit, according their religious bent ideas? [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Sound familiar?

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Alaska's investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power, a potentially damaging distraction for John McCain's presidential campaign, ran into intensified resistance Tuesday when the attorney general said state employees would refuse to honor subpoenas in the case.

Also Tuesday, five Republican state lawmakers filed a lawsuit against an investigation they called "unlawful, biased, partial and partisan." None serves on the bipartisan Legislative Council that unanimously approved the inquiry. They want it pushed past the election or top Democrats removed from the probe.

In a letter to state Sen. Hollis French, the Democrat overseeing the investigation, Republican Attorney General Talis Colberg asked that the subpoenas be withdrawn. He also said the employees would refuse to appear unless either the full state Senate or the entire Legislature votes to compel their testimony.

Colberg, who was appointed by Palin, said the employees are caught between their respect for the Legislature and their loyalty to the governor, who initially agreed to cooperate with the inquiry but has increasingly opposed it since McCain chose her as his running mate.

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[url=http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/528468.html]http://www.adn.com/troo...

A couple of perspectives from one of the state Reps having fun dealing with this right now.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-gara/karl-rove-in-alaska-mccai_b_12664... Rove in Alaska[/url]

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Politicians are good at spin. The McCain camp has brought a whole new level of it to our small state -- in what looks like an effort to show they can play the same Karl Rove-like political games that have haunted this country for the last 8 years. I like Governor Palin on a personal level. But I don't like what the McCain campaign is doing to our state. I don't like deception. And I don't like politics as usual.

Alaskans are starting to see evidence of a Karl Rove-like effort to stonewall what started as a non-controversial, bi-partisan "Troopergate" investigation. A little deception here, a few personal attacks there. And the kind of spin you see at an amusement park tilt-a-whirl station.

This investigation was started by a Republican-dominated Alaska Legislature to look into Governor Palin's conduct in seeking the termination of a State Trooper, once married to the Governor's sister, Trooper Michael Wooten. The McCain camp wants to stop it by saying it's a "democratic" investigation. Apart from facts, and the reputations the McCain folks don't mind destroying, there's not a lot standing in the way of this strategy.

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This one is pretty funny. The guy has a sense of humor.

[url=http://mudflats.wordpress.com/]Part Karl Rove and Part Laurel and Hardy[/url]

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Since Monday the McCain camp has stepped up its personal attacks against Alaskans. They’ve continued their D.C.-style tactics against neighbors in this small state. The game plan is to find an excuse to stop our Legislature’s Troopergate investigation, and hide evidence McCain’s folks really don’t want to surface before November’s election. It’s been a little Karl Rove, and parts Laurel and Hardy. How else can you explain the following?

Last week the Attorney general’s office promised state witnesses would comply with subpoenas the Legislature issued last week. Tuesday the Governor’s Attorney General flip flopped, and announced that state witnesses wouldn’t comply because, well, and I’m paraphrasing here - he’s changed his mind. And in what has to be an idea hatched after a 4th Martini at Chilkoot Charlie’s, Governor Palin’s attorneys have filed a motion to dismiss the ethics claim she filed against herself two weeks ago. Yup. She really filed a complaint against herself. Tuesday she said she’s discovered, after a thorough investigation of herself, that she’s done nothing wrong. Does anyone know how to get a hold of Jon Stewart and Tina Fey?

It’s silly season up here in the far north, but this week’s moves are aimed at one thing: John McCain’s effort to find cover for being disingenuous.

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Every day this week McCain operatives have sung the same tune. Today a guy with an East Coast accent, who knows nothing about Alaska, stood in front of a McCain-Palin banner to lead the attacks against people he doesn’t know. At press conferences on Monday and Tuesday campaign staffer Megan Stapleton spit vitriol to repeat her argument that this investigation is really a “Democratic” attack on Governor Palin.

See, that’s easier than just saying their VP has reneged on her promise to testify. It’s easier than just saying they don’t want anyone testifying before the November election. It’s easier than admitting they are stonewalling a legislative investigation.

Here are a few things they failed to say. There are a few small facts that make it hard to style this as a Democratic investigation. One is that Alaska is a Republican State. We have a Republican Governor and a Legislature of 34 Republicans and 26 Democrats. This summer the Legislature’s Legislative Council voted 12-0 (8 Republicans and 4 Democrats) to hire an investigator, and appointed Democratic Senator Hollis French, a well-respected former prosecutor, to find an investigator. Governor Palin stated she and her employees would comply with the investigation. French then hired Steve Branchflower, a former DA who most recently was hired by legislative Republicans to run the state’s Office of Victims rights.
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...and it goes on I could quote the whole thing

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Okay and just when you thought it couldn't get any better along comes this.
Over the past week or so there has been talk of how Palin used personal email accounts to do government business. It is connected with Troopergate somewhat because it's allegded that some of the more incriminating stuff is on the personal ones as well as those of her husband who if you've followed along from a more insider perspective is much more the just the stay at home house dad. He's known as the 'First Dude' on the hill and according to some peoples perspective has played a bit of an enforcer role. So the issue as I have read is whether those emails would be turned over to the investigation because as people have said, everyone knows that's how things have operated.

So then we get these guys, 'Anonymous' who have been talked about before here in reference to their campaign against scientology.

[url=http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1919]Sarah Palins Yahoo account hijacked...[/url]

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On the heels of media reports that Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin was using a private Yahoo e-mail account ([email protected]) to conduct Alaska state business, hackers have broken into the account and posted evidence of the hijack on Wikileaks.

An activist group calling itself ‘anonymous’ claimed responsibility for the compromise and released screenshots, photographs and the e-mail addresses of several people close to Palin, including her husband Todd and assistant Ivy Frye.
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Wikileaks said it may release additional e-mails should they prove be of political substance.

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So wonder what these folks DID manage to get before stuff started 'disappearing'? Wonder if there's some Rovian scrambling going on now. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

edited to add: Of course this could just be one big fake. Who knows.
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[ 17 September 2008: Message edited by: ElizaQ ]

You mean 1-2-3-4 doesn't work anymore?

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Originally posted by DrConway:
[b]HA! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

Seriously, the Repubs must be in serious damage control mode now, especially since it's clear that Gov. Palin chose to mix personal and government activities together on the same e-mail account.

While I agree that every once in a while someone's personal e-mail account might be needed to transact business, a regular pattern of doing this could be indicative of a desire to make such e-mails more easy to delete.[/b]

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It seems like they're in damage control all over the place right now.

McCain has been blundering through messages on the , 'ecomony' and I hate to use the word but'flip-flopping' daily. Starting with his pronouncment on Monday morning, as Wall Street was in the biggest crisis ever, saying 'The fundementals of the economy are strong" then back tracking by the end of the day. Then yesterday he said, 'He did not support the FEDS bailing out AIG" then when they did do exactly that, he's come out supporting that today. Now Palin is actually being interviewed by Sean Hannity on fox with her message, "Yes the economy is a mess but the workforce is strong" That's apparently what McCain was talking about on Monday. He just wasn't clear.
[url=http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/palin-on-fox-news-economy-is-a-m... on Fox[/url]

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Palin told FOX News’ Sean Hannity that it was “unfair” for Barack Obama to criticize McCain earlier in the week for saying “the fundamentals of our economy are strong.” She said McCain was clearly talking about the workforce.

“It was an unfair attack on the verbiage that Senator McCain chose to use, because … he means our workforce, he means the ingenuity of the American people,” Palin said. “And of course that is strong and that is the foundation of our economy. So that was an unfair attack there.”

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Meanwhile Obama and Co. are just plodding along and ignoring a lot of this messy stuff and staying on message. I'd say that just in this last couple of days the Repubs are now on the defensive.

With all this interference with the Troopergate thing it could go crazy. The messing around with it, is becoming the story now and I think it really depends whether those involved in Alaska are going to stand up against what's happening or roll over along partisan lines and help with all the stall tactics going on right now. I guess that isn't a given, because I keep reading over and over, 'who do these people (lower 48 repubs) think they are coming around and messing with us like this? This is Alaska!'

Read some polls today and it appears that the numbers are moving back into the Dems favour.

Though who the heck knows. I think things are going to get even more nasty and sleazy before this is over. Palin has actually answered a couple of voters questions at a rally but it's still tightly controlled. She won't even talk to the press corps that with her at all but they say that her 'messaging' is getting tighter so she must be practicing. Their words not mine.

[url=http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/528928.html]Anchorage Daily News[/url]

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McCain campaign takes over shaping Palin image

GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is effectively turning over questions about her record as Alaska's governor to John McCain's political campaign, part of an ambitious Republican strategy to limit embarrassing disclosures and carefully shape her image for voters in the rest of the country. Republican efforts include dispatching a former top U.S. terrorism prosecutor from New York, Ed O'Callaghan, to assist Palin's personal lawyer working to derail or delay a pending ethics investigation in Alaska. The investigation, known as Troopergate, is examining whether the governor abused her power by trying to remove her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.

O'Callaghan is just part of a cadre of high-powered operatives patrolling Alaska as reporters and Democrats scrutinize every detail of Palin's tenure in government, plus her family and friends. One strategy: Carefully coordinate any information that's released. The McCain campaign is demanding that it becomes the de facto source for answers about the operations of Alaska's government during the past 20 months.

Palin's normal press secretary, for example, now turns away inquiries from any reporter who isn't permanently based in Alaska, referring questions to the presidential campaign. Trouble is, some of McCain operatives only recently have arrived in Alaska and struggle to explain Palin's positions on arcane state issues.

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[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/17/opinion/polls/main4456249.shtm... end of the Palin-bounce?[/url]

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While Palin remains popular among McCain voters, the poll suggests that the McCain campaign may have cause for concern. More than half of registered voters do not think Palin is prepared for the job of Vice President, and even McCain supporters cite "inexperience" as what they like least about her.

Just 17 percent of registered voters say McCain chose Palin because she is well qualified for the job of Vice President. Seventy-five percent say McCain made the choice to help win the election. (Even voters backing the Republican ticket share this view: 53 percent say the Palin choice was to help McCain win in November.)

Contrast that with the perception of Obama's selection of Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as running mate: 57 percent of registered voters say Obama chose Biden because he is well qualified. Thirty-one percent say the choice was to help with the election.

Palin’s favorable rating stands at 40 percent, down 4 points from last week. Her unfavorable rating, which stands at 30 percent, has risen eight points in the same time period. Her favorable rating among women has fallen 11 points in the past week.

Nearly 3 in 4 voters say Biden is prepared to be vice president; just 42 percent say Palin is prepared for the job, down 5 points from last week. But Palin is seen as the more relatable of the two: 55 percent of registered voters say she is someone they can relate to, while 43 percent say the same of Biden.

Voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries are not fully embracing the new woman in the race. Forty-eight percent of Clinton voters say they have an unfavorable view of Palin, while 20 percent view her positively.

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Actually, it's one in four:

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From WW's link above: Still, one in four registered voters who were Clinton supporters in the primary say they plan to support the McCain-Palin ticket in November.

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Note that this is not broken down in terms of male/female Clinton supporters.

What would be interesting to ponder is why. Because of anger over the Barack nomination win? Because of the "support any woman" kookiness? (Which I personally believe is a myth, btw) Because of "support the all-white ticket"? I'm not sure if it's possible to answer this with any real meaning.

Conservative pundits starting to drop/criticize McCain/Palin ticket.

[url=http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014773.php]... Drew Joins the Enough Club[/url]

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DREW JOINS THE ENOUGH CLUB.... It seemed unlikely that Elizabeth Drew, an accomplished journalist and author, would join the ever-growing "Enough" Club. She did, after all, write a glowing book about John McCain as recently as 2002, praising him as a principled, honorable man of conscience.

But now, Drew's done. After noting McCain's shift to the hard right, away from the 2000 persona that made him a hero to many, Drew explains that McCain "morph[ed] into just another panderer -- to Bush and the Republican Party's conservative base." ........................
McCain is certainly losing friends fast, isn't he? Drew's condemnation comes just a couple of days after Richard Cohen's. Which came a couple of days after Stephen Chapman's. Which followed Michael Kinsley, Thomas Friedman, Sebastian Mallaby, Joe Klein, E.J. Dionne, Jr., Ruth Marcus, Mark Halperin, and Bob Herbert. Even David Brooks is getting there.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/hagel_palin;_ylt=AkSWgup... Senator: Palin qualified a stretch[/url]

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WASHINGTON - Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel said his party's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a "stretch" to say she's qualified to be president.
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"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."

Could Palin lead the country if GOP presidential nominee John McCain could not?

"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.

McCain and other Republicans have defended Palin's qualifications, citing Alaska's proximity to Russia. Palin told ABC News, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Hagel took issue with that argument. "I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,'" he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."

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I think it's likely a combination of all the things that have been mentioned and when you add them all up you get the number. Doubtful there's just one general reason that fits them all.

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Many parishes distributed a voter guide, produced by an outside conservative Catholic group called Catholic Answers, which identified five “nonnegotiable” issues for faithful voters: abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning, euthanasia and same-sex marriage.

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The environment, the economy, foreign affairs...meh, not nearly as important as reproduction. Amazing how incredibly stupid religion can be.

Edited to add...above from Josh's link.

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Since the election seems to be moving away to being directly just about Palin talk all all over the place into more general, about her/them and the election is it okay to let this thread morph into more a general thread since there's not already one started?
This next issue isn't directly about Palin so I could start a new thread, not sure. Let me know if I should repost it separately.

McCain and the Issue of Spain.
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This isn't getting a lot of MSN airtime yet but it's been simmering for a few days.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-bergmann/not-a-gaffe-mccain-campai_b_1... a Gaffe?[/url]

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In McCain's bizarre interview with Spain's Union Radio he refused to say whether he would meet with Spain's Prime Minister, Josй Luis Rodrнguez Zapatero. Listening to the interview repeatedly, it simply seemed that McCain had no idea who Zapatero actually was. McCain seemed to think he was a Latin American autocrat - despite the reporter repeatedly saying "I am talking about Spain." This gaffe would seem to have very significant implications. Not knowing who the leader of Spain was or thinking Spain was in Latin America would not really be shocking coming from his running mate, but McCain has run on his foreign policy expertise and such confusion completely undercuts his credibility. Furthermore this gaffe would bring up real questions about his age. Is McCain really prepared to deal with a crisis at 3AM, when he can't even remember who the leader of Spain is during a late evening interview?

But was it a gaffe? While it definitely seemed so, now Randy Sheunemann, McCain's foreign policy adviser is shockingly saying that this is not a gaffe but an intentional expression of policy toward Spain.

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[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/mccain-meant-to-reject-sp_n_127... Meant to Reject Spain[/url]

[url=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/217710.php]Confusion in Spain[/url]

[url=http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.html]The Pain in Spain Falls Mainly on McCain[/url]

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Yes, I've seen a transcript, and McCain seemed very befuddled. Still, Republicans have hated Zapatero for years, mainly for withdrawing from Iraq. He's not been invited to the White House under Bush. He openly supported Kerry on the eve of the 2004 election. Rice has criticised him over Zapatero's Cuba policy.

It seems mutual. In 2003, as head of the Socialist Party then in opposition, Zapatero declined to join other Spanish officials in standing up when U.S. troops marched past a VIP stand during a parade to mark National Day. The next year, as prime minister, he did not even invite the Americans.

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[b]Yes, I've seen a transcript, and McCain seemed very befuddled. Still, Republicans have hated Zapatero for years, mainly for withdrawing from Iraq. He's not been invited to the White House under Bush. He openly supported Kerry on the eve of the 2004 election. Rice has criticised him over Zapatero's Cuba policy.

It seems mutual. In 2003, as head of the Socialist Party then in opposition, Zapatero declined to join other Spanish officials in standing up when U.S. troops marched past a VIP stand during a parade to mark National Day. The next year, as prime minister, he did not even invite the Americans.[/b]

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I think what is significant about this beyond was it initial confusion and those implications is that since his advisor has now come out and said, 'No he really meant it" that it's indicating an even worse relationship. He pretty much called them enemies outright who want to harm the US. It also contradicts what he said back in April.

From the first 'gaffe?" link:

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Republican presidential candidate, John McCain, is ready to change the policy of estrangement with the Spanish government that was put in place for four years now by George Bush. He declared that he was ready to fully normalize bilateral relations and that Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero was invited to the White House.

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Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
[b]I don't get why the accepted wisdom is that McCain's strong suit is international relations ... when he says things like this, or "Czechoslovakia" ... or that Iraq has a land-border with Pakistan.[/b]

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Me neither. I guess we'll see with this goes now.
The Spanish Press apparently pretty much came to the conclusion that he was just confused, likely between Zapatero vs Zapatista and were leaving it as a dumb slip up. That was before the advisor came out and said, "Um nope he actually meant it." Might get stirred up again.

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Ideological differences aside, John McCain's campaign has been more dishonest, more unfair, more -- to use a word that resonates with McCain -- dishonorable than Barack Obama's.

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McCain's transgressions, though, are of a different magnitude. His whoppers are bigger; there are more of them. He -- the easy out would be to say "his campaign" -- has been misleading, and at times has outright lied, about his opponent. He has misrepresented -- that's the charitable verb -- his vice presidential nominee's record. Called on these fouls, he has denied and repeated them.

The most outrageous of McCain's distortions involve Obama on taxes. He asserts that Obama's new taxes could "break your family budget," and that an Obama presidency would inflict "painful tax increases on working American families." Hardly. Obama would lower taxes for most households, and lower them more than McCain would. The only "painful tax increases on working American families" would be on working families making more than $250,000.

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[url=http://tinyurl.com/67j8ds]http://tinyurl.com/67j8ds[/url]

Oh and the whole dumb thing about this is was that it doesn't appear to be some super technical hack from super geek genius.
From the description the guy just stuck in her zip code and figured out the answer to her security question. 'Wasilia High'. In answer to the question...'So where did you meet your husband?" Or something like that. Yep super hacker genius needed for that.
It will be interesting to see if this goes any further. Drudge is trying to push it, along the 'it's Obama meme' but I can also seriously see it coming back and biting them in the butt. I don't agree with the break in, but for petes sake, doing government business on a yahoo account where any semi intelligent person could reset the password with some basic personal knowledge? Holy heck.

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[b]And then if you want to get even stranger. This is beginning to make the rounds today.

[url=http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_credits_electoral_success_to_witchhu..., the Pastor, Prayer and for added 'wow' add some 'witches' into it.[/url]

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OK, now I'm looking forward to a McCain/Palin presidency. She consulted with someone who literally led a "witch hunt." This is great. I'm looking forward to their Supreme Court nominations.

My personal soothsayer told me the Supreme Court deliberations would sound like this:

Those thousands of inmates waiting on death row for their lethal injection ought to worry though, what with the proposed adoption of crucifixion as the new means of dealing with sin and criminality.

Originally posted by Ken Burch:

[b]And I could crossdress a moose
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Hmmm,,, can you have a survivor take and post a video on Youtube...
please