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Originally posted by Joel_Goldenberg:
[b]B'nai Brith Canada did.[/b]
B'nai Brith are a gang of ultra-right thugs. Their self-identification with the Jewish people (as in this disgusting article) is itself a heinous act of anti-semitism.
I hope B'nai Brith's praise for Dion's cowardly act is the final nail in his coffin.
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Originally posted by Joel_Goldenberg:
[b]B'nai Brith Canada did.[/b]
B'nai Brith are a gang of ultra-right thugs. Their self-identification with the Jewish people (as in this disgusting article) is itself a heinous act of anti-semitism.
I hope B'nai Brith's praise for Dion's cowardly act is the final nail in his coffin.
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Originally posted by jas:
[b]What is her "record" of anti-semitism?[/b]
Any Winnipegger who knows Lesley Hughes's record would howl with laughter, or anger, at that question. This creep Dion, together with the BB thugs, have conspired to destroy her reputation.
The other thing I can't grasp is her "apology".
I'm reverting back. This is an attack on freedom of speech and thought. Not dropping her as a candidate (I don't care about that) - but proclaiming that her views were anti-semitic and throwing a chill over anyone who dares to use the word "Israel" in a non-orgasmic context.
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Originally posted by jas:
[b]What is her "record" of anti-semitism?[/b]
Any Winnipegger who knows Lesley Hughes's record would howl with laughter, or anger, at that question. This creep Dion, together with the BB thugs, have conspired to destroy her reputation.
The other thing I can't grasp is her "apology".
I'm reverting back. This is an attack on freedom of speech and thought. Not dropping her as a candidate (I don't care about that) - but proclaiming that her views were anti-semitic and throwing a chill over anyone who dares to use the word "Israel" in a non-orgasmic context.
Why on earth would a CD staffer run for the Liberals in the first place?
Why on earth would a CD staffer run for the Liberals in the first place?
The claim that Israeli firms had foreknowledge of 9/11 and cancelled their leases in the the WTC a week before is nonsensical and just another variation of the canard that hundreds of Jews (or Israelis) failed to show up for work at the WTC on 9/11.
Hughes expressed this nonsensical theory in a non-critical way and when she had a chance to clarify her views yesterday she chose not to dismiss the theory as nonsense or say that while she heard it "reported" she doesn't believe it. Instead she proclaimed offence that anyone could possibly construe the notion as anti-semitic which, to my mind, either suggests appalling ignorance or complete disingenuousness.
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
The claim that Israeli firms had foreknowledge of 9/11 and cancelled their leases in the the WTC a week before is nonsensical and just another variation of the canard that hundreds of Jews (or Israelis) failed to show up for work at the WTC on 9/11.
Hughes expressed this nonsensical theory in a non-critical way and when she had a chance to clarify her views yesterday she chose not to dismiss the theory as nonsense or say that while she heard it "reported" she doesn't believe it. Instead she proclaimed offence that anyone could possibly construe the notion as anti-semitic which, to my mind, either suggests appalling ignorance or complete disingenuousness.
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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b]Why on earth would a CD staffer run for the Liberals in the first place?[/b]
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2006 results:
Con 17,524
Lib 13,597
NDP 8,193
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: jas ]
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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b]Why on earth would a CD staffer run for the Liberals in the first place?[/b]
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2006 results:
Con 17,524
Lib 13,597
NDP 8,193
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: jas ]
Any predictions for what the result (%) will be in Kildonan-St. Paul without a Liberal running?
Any predictions for what the result (%) will be in Kildonan-St. Paul without a Liberal running?
Here's CJC's statement:
Canadian Jewish Congress commends dismissing of candidate Lesley Hughes; 'no place in Canada for 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories'
Toronto--- Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC) today applauded the rescinding of the nomination of Lesley Hughes as the Liberal candidate in the riding of Kildonan-St. Paul by Liberal leader Stйphane Dion.
CJC Co-President Sylvain Abitbol stated that, "Ms. Hughes crossed a line which cannot be crossed under any circumstances because there is no place in Canada for 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories. She has proven herself unfit to be a member of the House of Commons."
CJC Co-President Rabbi Reuven Bulka observed that, "CJC made it crystal clear to Liberal party representatives that such views on 9/11 were simply unacceptable. We would have reacted the same way at any time under any circumstances. The allegations of a 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theory are a modern twist on the age-old antisemitic calumny that Jews control world events."
Here's CJC's statement:
Canadian Jewish Congress commends dismissing of candidate Lesley Hughes; 'no place in Canada for 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories'
Toronto--- Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC) today applauded the rescinding of the nomination of Lesley Hughes as the Liberal candidate in the riding of Kildonan-St. Paul by Liberal leader Stйphane Dion.
CJC Co-President Sylvain Abitbol stated that, "Ms. Hughes crossed a line which cannot be crossed under any circumstances because there is no place in Canada for 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories. She has proven herself unfit to be a member of the House of Commons."
CJC Co-President Rabbi Reuven Bulka observed that, "CJC made it crystal clear to Liberal party representatives that such views on 9/11 were simply unacceptable. We would have reacted the same way at any time under any circumstances. The allegations of a 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theory are a modern twist on the age-old antisemitic calumny that Jews control world events."
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Originally posted by Joel_Goldenberg:
[b]Here's CJC's statement:"...The allegations of a 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theory are a modern twist on the age-old antisemitic calumny that Jews control world events."[/b]
All I've read by Hughes is that single piece posted above, but if it's representative of her views then this is a terribly unjust caricaturization of them.
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Originally posted by Joel_Goldenberg:
[b]Here's CJC's statement:"...The allegations of a 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theory are a modern twist on the age-old antisemitic calumny that Jews control world events."[/b]
All I've read by Hughes is that single piece posted above, but if it's representative of her views then this is a terribly unjust caricaturization of them.
I don't see her views as "anti-semitic" per se. More just incredibly delusional and stupid and on a par with believing the world is flat. But not anti-semitic.
Kildonan-St. Paul could actually be winnable for the NDP under the right circumstances. Most of the provincial ridings in vote NDP and the NDP candidate is a blind gentleman who is an activist in the disabled community. I think the Tories may be too strong on the Praifries right now for the NDP to win - but it is not outside the realm of possibility - esp. with no Liberal running.
I don't see her views as "anti-semitic" per se. More just incredibly delusional and stupid and on a par with believing the world is flat. But not anti-semitic.
Kildonan-St. Paul could actually be winnable for the NDP under the right circumstances. Most of the provincial ridings in vote NDP and the NDP candidate is a blind gentleman who is an activist in the disabled community. I think the Tories may be too strong on the Praifries right now for the NDP to win - but it is not outside the realm of possibility - esp. with no Liberal running.
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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]The claim that Israeli firms had foreknowledge of 9/11 and cancelled their leases a week before is nonsensical and just another variation of the canard that hundreds of Jews (or Israelis) failed to show up for work at the WTC on 9/11. [/b]
I agree. In fact, I think [b]ALL[/b] 9/11 conspiracy theories to date are nonsensical. Many of them are suffused with the underlying supremacist notion that some amateurish Muslims couldn't perpetrate such an attack on all-knowing all-powerful America.
But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):
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German Intelligence (BND) claims to have warned the U.S. last June, the Israeli Mossad and Russian Intelligence in August. Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it. About 3000 Americans working there were not so lucky.
I agree it's paranoid (if there's no evidence), but all she is doing is reporting (uncritically) some claims she read on the internet.
Is it also anti-German, anti-U.S., and anti-Russian (because they were all complicit)??
I must be slow today. Maybe it has to do with knowing Lesley Hughes, which clearly most people in this thread do not.
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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]The claim that Israeli firms had foreknowledge of 9/11 and cancelled their leases a week before is nonsensical and just another variation of the canard that hundreds of Jews (or Israelis) failed to show up for work at the WTC on 9/11. [/b]
I agree. In fact, I think [b]ALL[/b] 9/11 conspiracy theories to date are nonsensical. Many of them are suffused with the underlying supremacist notion that some amateurish Muslims couldn't perpetrate such an attack on all-knowing all-powerful America.
But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):
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German Intelligence (BND) claims to have warned the U.S. last June, the Israeli Mossad and Russian Intelligence in August. Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it. About 3000 Americans working there were not so lucky.
I agree it's paranoid (if there's no evidence), but all she is doing is reporting (uncritically) some claims she read on the internet.
Is it also anti-German, anti-U.S., and anti-Russian (because they were all complicit)??
I must be slow today. Maybe it has to do with knowing Lesley Hughes, which clearly most people in this thread do not.
The only 9/11 conspiracy theory that need be entertained is...
"Reichstag Fire".
Just as it is not necessary that the German government have been actively complicit in the use of the Reichstag Fire for its own ends, it is not necessary that the US government have been actively complicit in 9/11 (though reports are repeatedly surfacing that the US government was possessed of a monumental level of negligence in abandoning anti-terrorism funding, presumably so Ashcroft's minions could spend more time figuring out how to ignore people bombing abortion clinics), for the US government to have opportunistically used 9/11 for its own ends.
The only 9/11 conspiracy theory that need be entertained is...
"Reichstag Fire".
Just as it is not necessary that the German government have been actively complicit in the use of the Reichstag Fire for its own ends, it is not necessary that the US government have been actively complicit in 9/11 (though reports are repeatedly surfacing that the US government was possessed of a monumental level of negligence in abandoning anti-terrorism funding, presumably so Ashcroft's minions could spend more time figuring out how to ignore people bombing abortion clinics), for the US government to have opportunistically used 9/11 for its own ends.
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In a press release Thursday evening, Ms. Hughes had denied her writing was anti-Jewish but said she was sorry if people had taken it that way."I find any interpretation of my journalism as anti-Semitic personally offensive and I heartily apologize for that perception," she said in the Thursday statement.
On Friday, Ms. Hughes, speaking to CBCNewsworld, described her dismissal by the Liberal party as “incredibly unjust.”
She appeared to be shocked when she learned of her dismissal on air from a CBC reporter.
“I have no time for conspiracy theories about the Jewish population whatever,” she said. “The article that I wrote, for anyone who reads it carefully, is very clearly innocent of any kind of anti-Semitic feeling. I'm just absolutely stunned by this.”
She learned of it on air from a CBC reporter?
[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080926.welexstepdow... reacts:[/url]
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In a press release Thursday evening, Ms. Hughes had denied her writing was anti-Jewish but said she was sorry if people had taken it that way."I find any interpretation of my journalism as anti-Semitic personally offensive and I heartily apologize for that perception," she said in the Thursday statement.
On Friday, Ms. Hughes, speaking to CBCNewsworld, described her dismissal by the Liberal party as “incredibly unjust.”
She appeared to be shocked when she learned of her dismissal on air from a CBC reporter.
“I have no time for conspiracy theories about the Jewish population whatever,” she said. “The article that I wrote, for anyone who reads it carefully, is very clearly innocent of any kind of anti-Semitic feeling. I'm just absolutely stunned by this.”
She learned of it on air from a CBC reporter?
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But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):
If Hughes embrace of this anti-Semitic fallacy is true think what it means! It means that Israelis (read Jews) had prior knowledge of a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. Those insular Israelis (read Jews) only told their co-religionists. They are so evil and callous that they could care less about the other 3000 people murdered that day.
Come on Unionist, can there be anything more vile than an entire group of people only caring about themseleves and refusing to share this vital information with others. Information that might have stopped the attacks or at the very least saved thousands of lives?
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But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):
If Hughes embrace of this anti-Semitic fallacy is true think what it means! It means that Israelis (read Jews) had prior knowledge of a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. Those insular Israelis (read Jews) only told their co-religionists. They are so evil and callous that they could care less about the other 3000 people murdered that day.
Come on Unionist, can there be anything more vile than an entire group of people only caring about themseleves and refusing to share this vital information with others. Information that might have stopped the attacks or at the very least saved thousands of lives?
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]
Kildonan-St. Paul could actually be winnable for the NDP under the right circumstances. Most of the provincial ridings in vote NDP and the NDP candidate is a blind gentleman who is an activist in the disabled community. I think the Tories may be too strong on the Praifries right now for the NDP to win - but it is not outside the realm of possibility - esp. with no Liberal running.[/b]
I think I posted on one of these threads that it would take a 'perfect storm' for the NDP to win Kildonan-St. Paul. Little did I know...
While the NDP is likely to gain a net benefit from the loss of the Liberal candidate, I'm not at all convinced that those who were going to vote Liberal will fall neatly into line behind Ross Eadie. A large number will just stay home, and some will vote for Smith. I think she will still win fairly comfortably.
Kildonan-St. Paul has become, in some sense, the story of federal politics in Winnipeg in the last 20 years. From the late 60s to the mid-80s, Manitoba was basically a two-party system at the federal level. The Tories would clean up in rural Manitoba and south Winnipeg, the NDP would win Churchill and north Winnipeg, and you'd have one or two Liberals on the dividing line, like Lloyd Axworthy in Winnipeg South Centre or Bob Bockstael in St. Boniface. Basically the federal scene mirrored the provincial scene.
Then in 1988 there was a major realignment at the provincial level as the NDP was basically reduced to a rural Northern rump, with pockets of support in Winnipeg, the Liberals virtually swept Winnipeg, and the Tories held on to their traditional southern rural base. This was mirrored on the federal level with the Liberals winning all but two seats in Winnipeg.
Until 2004, the PCs/Reform/Alliance were unable to win any seats in Winnipeg, but by 2000 there was evidence that the ground was starting to shift. John Harvard had a surprisingly close call in Charleswood-Assiniboine and the Alliance leapfrogged over the NDP to finish a strong second to Rey Pagtakhan in Winnipeg North-St.Paul (the forerunner of Kildonan-St.Paul).
Sure enough, in 2004 the Conservatives scored narrow wins in both Charleswood-St.James-Assiniboia and Kildonan-St.Paul, which then became much more comfortable wins in 2006 when the Tories also grabbed Winnipeg South. Now they are poised to win St. Boniface and potentially Winnipeg South Centre, and are by all accounts making a serious run at Elmwood-Transcona.
To some degree, it looks on the surface like a return to the old voting patterns of the 70s and 80s. But unlike the changes of the mid-80s, and what makes the current trend really bizzare, is that this shift toward the Conservatives at the federal level in Winnipeg comes at a time when the provincial NDP has enjoyed unprecedented success in the city by winning formerly safe Tory suburban seats.
My sense is that the Conservatives will do very well in the City of Winnipeg in this election and the Liberals will be virtually (if not totally) wiped out. It would be great to give Joy Smith a real run for her money, but the tide seems very much in favour of the Conservatives right now.
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]
Kildonan-St. Paul could actually be winnable for the NDP under the right circumstances. Most of the provincial ridings in vote NDP and the NDP candidate is a blind gentleman who is an activist in the disabled community. I think the Tories may be too strong on the Praifries right now for the NDP to win - but it is not outside the realm of possibility - esp. with no Liberal running.[/b]
I think I posted on one of these threads that it would take a 'perfect storm' for the NDP to win Kildonan-St. Paul. Little did I know...
While the NDP is likely to gain a net benefit from the loss of the Liberal candidate, I'm not at all convinced that those who were going to vote Liberal will fall neatly into line behind Ross Eadie. A large number will just stay home, and some will vote for Smith. I think she will still win fairly comfortably.
Kildonan-St. Paul has become, in some sense, the story of federal politics in Winnipeg in the last 20 years. From the late 60s to the mid-80s, Manitoba was basically a two-party system at the federal level. The Tories would clean up in rural Manitoba and south Winnipeg, the NDP would win Churchill and north Winnipeg, and you'd have one or two Liberals on the dividing line, like Lloyd Axworthy in Winnipeg South Centre or Bob Bockstael in St. Boniface. Basically the federal scene mirrored the provincial scene.
Then in 1988 there was a major realignment at the provincial level as the NDP was basically reduced to a rural Northern rump, with pockets of support in Winnipeg, the Liberals virtually swept Winnipeg, and the Tories held on to their traditional southern rural base. This was mirrored on the federal level with the Liberals winning all but two seats in Winnipeg.
Until 2004, the PCs/Reform/Alliance were unable to win any seats in Winnipeg, but by 2000 there was evidence that the ground was starting to shift. John Harvard had a surprisingly close call in Charleswood-Assiniboine and the Alliance leapfrogged over the NDP to finish a strong second to Rey Pagtakhan in Winnipeg North-St.Paul (the forerunner of Kildonan-St.Paul).
Sure enough, in 2004 the Conservatives scored narrow wins in both Charleswood-St.James-Assiniboia and Kildonan-St.Paul, which then became much more comfortable wins in 2006 when the Tories also grabbed Winnipeg South. Now they are poised to win St. Boniface and potentially Winnipeg South Centre, and are by all accounts making a serious run at Elmwood-Transcona.
To some degree, it looks on the surface like a return to the old voting patterns of the 70s and 80s. But unlike the changes of the mid-80s, and what makes the current trend really bizzare, is that this shift toward the Conservatives at the federal level in Winnipeg comes at a time when the provincial NDP has enjoyed unprecedented success in the city by winning formerly safe Tory suburban seats.
My sense is that the Conservatives will do very well in the City of Winnipeg in this election and the Liberals will be virtually (if not totally) wiped out. It would be great to give Joy Smith a real run for her money, but the tide seems very much in favour of the Conservatives right now.
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But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If Hughes embrace of this anti-Semitic fallacy is true think what it means! It means that Israelis (read Jews) had prior knowledge of a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. Those insular Israelis (read Jews) only told their co-religionists. They are so evil and callous that they could care less about the other 3000 people murdered that day.
Come on Unionist, can there be anything more vile than an entire group of people only caring about themseleves and refusing to share this vital information with others. Information that might have stopped the attacks or at the very least saved thousands of lives?
Well said and exactly accurate, Ohara. The contrast in the quote between the "Americans who were not so lucky" and the Jewish employees who alledgedly didn't come to work (are they not Americans just as much as anybody else) on 9/11 (this is completely and utterly false, of course)is abhorrent and unacceptable. That concept is Anti-semitic to the core.
Whether Hughes actually believes this to be true or not, I have no idea and she seems to be an impressive person in other respects, but there is no doubt in my mind that the statement as written is deeply anti-semitic.
That being said, the way Dion handled this mess was abysmal - he basically allowed the Canadian Jewish Congress to decide if Hughes had grovelled and scraped enough to be allowed to continue as a candidate. That is totally inappropriate. The statement says what it says, her apology was clear, and it was up to Dion and nobody else to decide if she could continue as a Liberal candidate or not. Yet another example of "not a leader" in action [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
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But given that it's all voyeurist fantasy stuff, you'll have to explain to me one more time how this is "anti-semitic" (since the entire charge seems to be based on this paragraph):--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If Hughes embrace of this anti-Semitic fallacy is true think what it means! It means that Israelis (read Jews) had prior knowledge of a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. Those insular Israelis (read Jews) only told their co-religionists. They are so evil and callous that they could care less about the other 3000 people murdered that day.
Come on Unionist, can there be anything more vile than an entire group of people only caring about themseleves and refusing to share this vital information with others. Information that might have stopped the attacks or at the very least saved thousands of lives?
Well said and exactly accurate, Ohara. The contrast in the quote between the "Americans who were not so lucky" and the Jewish employees who alledgedly didn't come to work (are they not Americans just as much as anybody else) on 9/11 (this is completely and utterly false, of course)is abhorrent and unacceptable. That concept is Anti-semitic to the core.
Whether Hughes actually believes this to be true or not, I have no idea and she seems to be an impressive person in other respects, but there is no doubt in my mind that the statement as written is deeply anti-semitic.
That being said, the way Dion handled this mess was abysmal - he basically allowed the Canadian Jewish Congress to decide if Hughes had grovelled and scraped enough to be allowed to continue as a candidate. That is totally inappropriate. The statement says what it says, her apology was clear, and it was up to Dion and nobody else to decide if she could continue as a Liberal candidate or not. Yet another example of "not a leader" in action [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
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Originally posted by West Coast Lefty:
[b] The contrast in the quote between the "Americans who were not so lucky" and the Jewish employees who alledgedly didn't come to work (are they not Americans just as much as anybody else) on 9/11 (this is completely and utterly false, of course)is abhorrent and unacceptable. That concept is Anti-semitic to the core. [/b]
Pardon my slowness. Where did you read anything about "Jewish employees"?
You think "Israeli businesses" means Jews? Or that they hire only Jews?
And next: of the 3000 "Americans" who died, who said there weren't many Jews among them?
The distinction make by Hughes is some weird story about some Israeli-owned businesses acting on a warning which was received by the U.S., Israeli, and Russian intelligence services - vs. those who didn't get the warning and weren't so lucky.
Yeah, it's bizarre and dumb - it's sort of anti-intelligence services and anti-U.S. and anti-Israel etc. - but where, exactly, is it anti-Jewish?
Let me put it a little differently:
Have you run into any public figures who made only one published "anti-semitic" statement in their entire career - and forgot to use the word "Jewish"?
ETA: This was from [url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/community/v-printerfriendly/... year[/url]:
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United Jewish People's Order and the Winnipeg Outlook Committee sponsor the annual dinner in support of Outlook, Canada's Progressive Jewish Magazine, Nov. 29, 6 p.m. at Gwen Secter Creative Living Centre. The topic is Dissecting Canadian politics. Guest speakers are Frances Russell and Lesley Hughes. For reservations call Dora at 338-3448 or Bertha at 489-5891.
Frances Russell and Lesley Hughes are both decades-long respected progressive journalists in Winnipeg. I guess UJPO and Outlook will be shocked to find that at least one of them is an "anti-semite"!
This whole thing is character assassination, pure and simple, and I'm quite amazed, WCG, that you should buy into it based on virtually no solid information.
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
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Originally posted by West Coast Lefty:
[b] The contrast in the quote between the "Americans who were not so lucky" and the Jewish employees who alledgedly didn't come to work (are they not Americans just as much as anybody else) on 9/11 (this is completely and utterly false, of course)is abhorrent and unacceptable. That concept is Anti-semitic to the core. [/b]
Pardon my slowness. Where did you read anything about "Jewish employees"?
You think "Israeli businesses" means Jews? Or that they hire only Jews?
And next: of the 3000 "Americans" who died, who said there weren't many Jews among them?
The distinction make by Hughes is some weird story about some Israeli-owned businesses acting on a warning which was received by the U.S., Israeli, and Russian intelligence services - vs. those who didn't get the warning and weren't so lucky.
Yeah, it's bizarre and dumb - it's sort of anti-intelligence services and anti-U.S. and anti-Israel etc. - but where, exactly, is it anti-Jewish?
Let me put it a little differently:
Have you run into any public figures who made only one published "anti-semitic" statement in their entire career - and forgot to use the word "Jewish"?
ETA: This was from [url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/community/v-printerfriendly/... year[/url]:
quote:
United Jewish People's Order and the Winnipeg Outlook Committee sponsor the annual dinner in support of Outlook, Canada's Progressive Jewish Magazine, Nov. 29, 6 p.m. at Gwen Secter Creative Living Centre. The topic is Dissecting Canadian politics. Guest speakers are Frances Russell and Lesley Hughes. For reservations call Dora at 338-3448 or Bertha at 489-5891.
Frances Russell and Lesley Hughes are both decades-long respected progressive journalists in Winnipeg. I guess UJPO and Outlook will be shocked to find that at least one of them is an "anti-semite"!
This whole thing is character assassination, pure and simple, and I'm quite amazed, WCG, that you should buy into it based on virtually no solid information.
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I suppose, WCG and others, you're aware that Lesley Hughes is a co-host of Alert!, on the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/rpn/episode.shtml?x=57157]Rabble Podcast Network[/url].
Where do I write to demand a public inquiry into Rabble's links with anti-Jewish conspiracy theorists?
Will Rabble dump Alert! and Canadian Dimension, or just demand that they fire Lesley Hughes?
I suppose, WCG and others, you're aware that Lesley Hughes is a co-host of Alert!, on the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/rpn/episode.shtml?x=57157]Rabble Podcast Network[/url].
Where do I write to demand a public inquiry into Rabble's links with anti-Jewish conspiracy theorists?
Will Rabble dump Alert! and Canadian Dimension, or just demand that they fire Lesley Hughes?
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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]The NDP hasn't dumped Fidel [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] ; where is he anyway? I'd like to hear what he has to say about this.[/b]
This U.S. government, as did Clinton's administration before them, seriously misled Americans as to the origins of al Qa'eda, the terrorists who allegedly masterminded 9-11. I can certainly understand where Liberal candidate Hughes is coming from - some of the 9-11 commissioners themselves indicated they were misled by the Pentagon and NSA. The German court justices who dealt with the Hamburg cell berated Pentagon officials for covering up evidence for reasons of "U.S. national security."
Scholar Peter Dale Scott says there is comparable resistance to truth in both the Warren Commission Report on the JFK assassination as there is with U.S. Fed's 9-11 report, for example:
[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3422]The U.S. government’s intimate on-going connection to al-Qaeda and a chief 9/11 plotter[/url]
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It is now generally admitted that Ali Mohamed (known in the al Qaeda camps as Abu Mohamed al Amriki — "Father Mohamed the American")8 worked for the FBI, the CIA, and U.S. Special Forces. As he later confessed in court, he also aided the terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, a co-founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and by then an aide to bin Laden, when he visited America to raise money
Long-short, I think very many Americans are unaware of the deep state politics, as Peter Dale Scott refers to it, that has been part of the global terror and drug trafficking network since start of the cold war. I think the 9-11 report was a sham and a coverup, and there will definitely be people questioning what are gaping holes and inconsistencies in the official explanation. 9-11 is the reason was Canadian troops were shoved into Afghanistan, and it is a phony war on terror. There were subsequent investigations into the JFK assassination following justice Warren's report, and I believe there may well be more to come concerning 9-11. [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html]What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?[/url]
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Originally posted by It's Me D:
[b]The NDP hasn't dumped Fidel [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] ; where is he anyway? I'd like to hear what he has to say about this.[/b]
This U.S. government, as did Clinton's administration before them, seriously misled Americans as to the origins of al Qa'eda, the terrorists who allegedly masterminded 9-11. I can certainly understand where Liberal candidate Hughes is coming from - some of the 9-11 commissioners themselves indicated they were misled by the Pentagon and NSA. The German court justices who dealt with the Hamburg cell berated Pentagon officials for covering up evidence for reasons of "U.S. national security."
Scholar Peter Dale Scott says there is comparable resistance to truth in both the Warren Commission Report on the JFK assassination as there is with U.S. Fed's 9-11 report, for example:
[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3422]The U.S. government’s intimate on-going connection to al-Qaeda and a chief 9/11 plotter[/url]
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It is now generally admitted that Ali Mohamed (known in the al Qaeda camps as Abu Mohamed al Amriki — "Father Mohamed the American")8 worked for the FBI, the CIA, and U.S. Special Forces. As he later confessed in court, he also aided the terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, a co-founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and by then an aide to bin Laden, when he visited America to raise money
Long-short, I think very many Americans are unaware of the deep state politics, as Peter Dale Scott refers to it, that has been part of the global terror and drug trafficking network since start of the cold war. I think the 9-11 report was a sham and a coverup, and there will definitely be people questioning what are gaping holes and inconsistencies in the official explanation. 9-11 is the reason was Canadian troops were shoved into Afghanistan, and it is a phony war on terror. There were subsequent investigations into the JFK assassination following justice Warren's report, and I believe there may well be more to come concerning 9-11. [url=http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html]What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?[/url]
I guess to Ohara, "Israeli" means Jew, of any nationality. And so from now on, any Jew in America will need to be identified as an "Israeli" - because we all know they're conspiring together.
I guess to Ohara, "Israeli" means Jew, of any nationality. And so from now on, any Jew in America will need to be identified as an "Israeli" - because we all know they're conspiring together.
So I should either vote for the Green Party, or the NDP...uhm...
Kildonan-St.Paul
Manitoba
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: O. ]
So I should either vote for the Green Party, or the NDP...uhm...
Kildonan-St.Paul
Manitoba
[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: O. ]
The uncut story of Fidel's last link: "What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?" can be found as a pdf on the author's site below
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"Christopher Ketcham is a freelance journalist who has written for Harper's and Salon. Many of his writings, including his groundbreaking story on the Israeli art students, can be read on his website [url=http://www.christopherketcham.com.]www.christopherketcham.com.[/url] "
The uncut story of Fidel's last link: "What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?" can be found as a pdf on the author's site below
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"Christopher Ketcham is a freelance journalist who has written for Harper's and Salon. Many of his writings, including his groundbreaking story on the Israeli art students, can be read on his website [url=http://www.christopherketcham.com.]www.christopherketcham.com.[/url] "
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Originally posted by unionist:
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This whole thing is character assassination, pure and simple, and I'm quite amazed, WCG, that you should buy into it based on virtually no solid information.[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: unionist ][/b]
I think so. The real anti-semites are right-wing Israelis and their hawkish British and American friends. All of them together care very little about ordinary Jews, and they don't give a damn about anyone else who stands in the way of fabulous wealth and power.
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Originally posted by unionist:
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This whole thing is character assassination, pure and simple, and I'm quite amazed, WCG, that you should buy into it based on virtually no solid information.[ 26 September 2008: Message edited by: unionist ][/b]
I think so. The real anti-semites are right-wing Israelis and their hawkish British and American friends. All of them together care very little about ordinary Jews, and they don't give a damn about anyone else who stands in the way of fabulous wealth and power.
I agree, Fidel.
And while we're at it, we'd better warn the Jewish founder of CD about the notorious author of anti-Semitic canards that has wormed her way into his editorial collective.
You know, this has been a real eye-opener to me. As a child of genocide survivors, with a Jewish upbringing and education, I can't even recognize anti-Semitism when it hits me in the face. Thank God for B'nai Brith, the National Post and Stйphane Dion. With friends like that, our people can be assured of staunch allies in time of need.
I agree, Fidel.
And while we're at it, we'd better warn the Jewish founder of CD about the notorious author of anti-Semitic canards that has wormed her way into his editorial collective.
You know, this has been a real eye-opener to me. As a child of genocide survivors, with a Jewish upbringing and education, I can't even recognize anti-Semitism when it hits me in the face. Thank God for B'nai Brith, the National Post and Stйphane Dion. With friends like that, our people can be assured of staunch allies in time of need.
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Originally posted by jas:
[b]I guess to Ohara, "Israeli" means Jew, of any nationality. And so from now on, any Jew in America will need to be identified as an "Israeli" - because we all know they're conspiring together.[/b]
Too cute by half. However anyone familiar with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (and that was the reference here so stop extrapolating nonsense)will know that all too often its safer to say "Israeli" when you really mean "Jew".
For me, I do not believe that Hughes is an anti-Semite. I do believe she bought into this anti-Semitic conspiracy crap and she simply should have acknowledged this stupid error in judgement. That she did not do so made it even more clear to me that she in fact believes this tripe.
Dion was slow but right. A person that holds such views ought not be a candidate for any political party.
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Originally posted by jas:
[b]I guess to Ohara, "Israeli" means Jew, of any nationality. And so from now on, any Jew in America will need to be identified as an "Israeli" - because we all know they're conspiring together.[/b]
Too cute by half. However anyone familiar with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories (and that was the reference here so stop extrapolating nonsense)will know that all too often its safer to say "Israeli" when you really mean "Jew".
For me, I do not believe that Hughes is an anti-Semite. I do believe she bought into this anti-Semitic conspiracy crap and she simply should have acknowledged this stupid error in judgement. That she did not do so made it even more clear to me that she in fact believes this tripe.
Dion was slow but right. A person that holds such views ought not be a candidate for any political party.
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Originally posted by ohara:
[b]For me, I do not believe that Hughes is an anti-Semite. I do believe she bought into this anti-Semitic conspiracy crap and she simply should have acknowledged this stupid error in judgement. That she did not do so made it even more clear to me that she in fact believes this tripe.[/b]
It is unnerving that you would throw such charges around - even saying what she "believes" - without any knowledge or circumspection. You should be careful about such charges, otherwise they will become meaningless. When Stephen Harper implies she is anti-Semitic because (as he said) she attacks the "only Jewish nation in the world", then taking Harper's side against Hughes is to suffer from terminal inability to distinguish our friends from our enemies.
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Originally posted by ohara:
[b]For me, I do not believe that Hughes is an anti-Semite. I do believe she bought into this anti-Semitic conspiracy crap and she simply should have acknowledged this stupid error in judgement. That she did not do so made it even more clear to me that she in fact believes this tripe.[/b]
It is unnerving that you would throw such charges around - even saying what she "believes" - without any knowledge or circumspection. You should be careful about such charges, otherwise they will become meaningless. When Stephen Harper implies she is anti-Semitic because (as he said) she attacks the "only Jewish nation in the world", then taking Harper's side against Hughes is to suffer from terminal inability to distinguish our friends from our enemies.
