Peter Kent: the next Foreign Affairs minister?

Wed, 2008-10-15 13:32

Lord Palmerston

quote:

Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]
He's a genuine neo-con on foreign policy. The foreign policy group he co-founded, the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, started its life organizing pro-Iraq War rallies, calls for a war on Iran, is to the right of the Likud on Israel, supports the Hindu nationalist BJP in India etc. Harper would be entering a real minefield if he appointed Kent to the FM post.[/b]

I know he is, but Kent has an image of being an old-style PC type. He was given a free pass on his CCD affiliation.

ETA: But you're right - if he's considered for the position this stuff would come out and it would not look good for Harper.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: Lord Palmerston ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 13:32

#53

Lord Palmerston

quote:

Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
[b]
He's a genuine neo-con on foreign policy. The foreign policy group he co-founded, the Canadian Coalition for Democracies, started its life organizing pro-Iraq War rallies, calls for a war on Iran, is to the right of the Likud on Israel, supports the Hindu nationalist BJP in India etc. Harper would be entering a real minefield if he appointed Kent to the FM post.[/b]

I know he is, but Kent has an image of being an old-style PC type. He was given a free pass on his CCD affiliation.

ETA: But you're right - if he's considered for the position this stuff would come out and it would not look good for Harper.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: Lord Palmerston ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 13:37

#54

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by ohara:
[b]Any worse a minefield than Bernier [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]

Yes. Bernier didn't participate and help organize demos in favour of publishing the Muhammed cartoons. He also wasn't a member and co-founder of an openly anti-Muslim organization.

If he were appointed FM there'd be a serious risk of an anti-Canada backlash in some quarters abroad.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 13:37

#55

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by ohara:
[b]Any worse a minefield than Bernier [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] [/b]

Yes. Bernier didn't participate and help organize demos in favour of publishing the Muhammed cartoons. He also wasn't a member and co-founder of an openly anti-Muslim organization.

If he were appointed FM there'd be a serious risk of an anti-Canada backlash in some quarters abroad.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 14:34

#56

ohara

Where did kent help organize these demos?

Wed, 2008-10-15 14:34

#57

ohara

Where did kent help organize these demos?

Wed, 2008-10-15 14:38

#58

Lord Palmerston

[url=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/canadians-hold-free-speech-ral...

Wed, 2008-10-15 14:38

#59

Lord Palmerston

[url=http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/canadians-hold-free-speech-ral...

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:35

#60

ohara

I have absolutely no love for the CCD. However amd I to understand that his speaking on their behalf is the same as him planiing this gathering?

Secondly, the CCd are a bunch of neanderthals but are you saying that as offensive as these cartoons may be and as stupid as people like Levant and others may be for reproducing them is it your positikon that they did not have the right to do so? Seems to me that was what Kent was there for no?

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:35

#61

ohara

I have absolutely no love for the CCD. However amd I to understand that his speaking on their behalf is the same as him planiing this gathering?

Secondly, the CCd are a bunch of neanderthals but are you saying that as offensive as these cartoons may be and as stupid as people like Levant and others may be for reproducing them is it your positikon that they did not have the right to do so? Seems to me that was what Kent was there for no?

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:39

#62

Prophit

Thank you for that link Lord palmerston. Seems pretty clear to me that Peter Kent is deeply involved with this group. What say you now O'Hara?

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:39

#63

Prophit

Thank you for that link Lord palmerston. Seems pretty clear to me that Peter Kent is deeply involved with this group. What say you now O'Hara?

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:59

#64

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by ohara:
[b]I have absolutely no love for the CCD. However amd I to understand that his speaking on their behalf is the same as him planiing this gathering? [/b]

Kent didn't just speak on their behalf. He is a co-founder and a leading member of CCD.

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qWxTKhlWAic/SN-Jl95VzbI/AAAAAAAAAhA/IPseE-_Ae8...

CCD organized the rally hence he is an organizer of the rally at which he spoke. Or is it your position that being a co-founder and leader of an organization frees you from responsibility for that organization's actions?

quote:

Secondly, the CCd are a bunch of neanderthals

And Kent is one of the head neanderthals. Do you think neanderthals should be appointed to cabinet or made Foreign Minister?

quote:

but are you saying that as offensive as these cartoons may be and as stupid as people like Levant and others may be for reproducing them is it your positikon that they did not have the right to do so? Seems to me that was what Kent was there for no?

Yeah, I've heard that free speech argument from Paul Fromm too. I might believe that CCD and Kent were motivated purely by civil libertarianism rather than extreme anti-Muslim sentiment had it not been for the fact that CCD and its spokespersons have made a string of extreme anti-Muslim comments over the years.

quote:

* Islam and the terrorism it promotes must be religated [sic] to the ash bin of history, much like what we had to do with National Socialism in Europe in the last century. –Naresh Raghubeer, CCD Executive Director [NB: This quote was subsequently taken down by CCD–presumably the mask slipped just a tad too far–but nothing disappears entirely on the Internet. –DD]
* Just by looking around the world, who could be blamed for concluding that Islam is a savage, barbaric, primitive, cruel, despotic religion… –Alistair Gordon, CCD President*

* Maoists, Muslims - small minds, big ideas, no humanity. Interesting how Canada kowtows both to the Muslim world and to Mao’s China, while marginalizing those who should be our natural allies… — Alastair Gordon, CCD President**

* Louise Arbour - Islamist mouthpiece at the UN … When you thought Canada’s unprincipled foreign policy, based primarily on being anti-American, could not sink any lower, we have the idiotic statements of Canada’s own Louise Arbour… — Alastair Gordon, CCD President

* There are all sorts of things that one cannot do on an airplane, including push-ups in the aisle and yoga. If these imams are so devout and pious, then it is their duty to avoid travel if it interferes with their piety. It is not the duty of the traveling public or airline operators to accomodate their rituals, especially when thier own safety is at risk. –Alastair Gordon, CCD President [The imams in question were praying in the airport, not on a plane. –DD]

As for CCD's civil libertrianism - I'm afraid it doesn't extend beyond the right to publish inflammatory anti-Muslim cartoons.

quote:

On April 4, 2006, Al Gordon, President of the CCD wrote the following on CCD's website:
The gutless Guelph students deserve to have their freedoms extinguished for capitulating to Islamist thugs. What snivelling, cowardly little nebishes.

[url=http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2008/09/ten-questions-for-peter-kent-cp... Questions for Peter Kent[/url]

quote:

Given your position on the Board of the far-right "Canadian Coalition for Democracies":
1) Do you support the CCD's lobbying for diplomatic and economic ties with the Indian state of Gujurat, where rioters, with government complicity, murdered, raped and dispossessed tens of thousands of Muslims, and where schoolchildren are taught to admire Adolf Hitler?
2) Did you endorse the CCD's position in favour of firing Supreme Court of Canada Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin, for chairing a meeting that awarded an Order of Canada to Dr. Henry Morgentaler?
3) Do you believe, with the CCD, that "many" Members of Parliament are "apologists for terrorists who celebrate the killing and maiming of men, women, and children?"
4) If yes, who are these Parliamentarians?
5) Do you endorse the smearing of David Suzuki by your president, Alistair Gordon, and his irresponsible retailing of the anti-environmentalist lie that a DDT ban killed millions in sub-Saharan Africa?
6) As a member of the CCD Board, what role did you play in the attempted character assassination of Liberal MP Omar Alghabra in 2005--for which your organization later had to apologize and retract?
7) Do you believe, with your colleague David Harris, that Muslim terrorists have infiltrated the FBI and CIA, the State Department, the U.S. Muslim military chaplain corps, the White House, Homeland Security, the U.S. Air Force, Guantanamo, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons--and in Canada, the Ontario Human Rights Commission and the Quebec NDP?
8) Do you take the view, as your colleague Salim Mansour does, that Canada should walk out of the UN?
9) Do you believe that veiled Muslim women at the polls might be engaging in criminal acts including suicide bombing, as a CCD press release suggests? (Are you aware that the current provisions of the Canada Elections Act permit such women to vote without unveiling, so long as they are not relying on photo ID as proof of identity?)
10) Do you support the bombing of Iran, like your colleague David Harris?

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 15:59

#65

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by ohara:
[b]I have absolutely no love for the CCD. However amd I to understand that his speaking on their behalf is the same as him planiing this gathering? [/b]

Kent didn't just speak on their behalf. He is a co-founder and a leading member of CCD.

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qWxTKhlWAic/SN-Jl95VzbI/AAAAAAAAAhA/IPseE-_Ae8...

CCD organized the rally hence he is an organizer of the rally at which he spoke. Or is it your position that being a co-founder and leader of an organization frees you from responsibility for that organization's actions?

quote:

Secondly, the CCd are a bunch of neanderthals

And Kent is one of the head neanderthals. Do you think neanderthals should be appointed to cabinet or made Foreign Minister?

quote:

but are you saying that as offensive as these cartoons may be and as stupid as people like Levant and others may be for reproducing them is it your positikon that they did not have the right to do so? Seems to me that was what Kent was there for no?

Yeah, I've heard that free speech argument from Paul Fromm too. I might believe that CCD and Kent were motivated purely by civil libertarianism rather than extreme anti-Muslim sentiment had it not been for the fact that CCD and its spokespersons have made a string of extreme anti-Muslim comments over the years.

quote:

* Islam and the terrorism it promotes must be religated [sic] to the ash bin of history, much like what we had to do with National Socialism in Europe in the last century. –Naresh Raghubeer, CCD Executive Director [NB: This quote was subsequently taken down by CCD–presumably the mask slipped just a tad too far–but nothing disappears entirely on the Internet. –DD]
* Just by looking around the world, who could be blamed for concluding that Islam is a savage, barbaric, primitive, cruel, despotic religion… –Alistair Gordon, CCD President*

* Maoists, Muslims - small minds, big ideas, no humanity. Interesting how Canada kowtows both to the Muslim world and to Mao’s China, while marginalizing those who should be our natural allies… — Alastair Gordon, CCD President**

* Louise Arbour - Islamist mouthpiece at the UN … When you thought Canada’s unprincipled foreign policy, based primarily on being anti-American, could not sink any lower, we have the idiotic statements of Canada’s own Louise Arbour… — Alastair Gordon, CCD President

* There are all sorts of things that one cannot do on an airplane, including push-ups in the aisle and yoga. If these imams are so devout and pious, then it is their duty to avoid travel if it interferes with their piety. It is not the duty of the traveling public or airline operators to accomodate their rituals, especially when thier own safety is at risk. –Alastair Gordon, CCD President [The imams in question were praying in the airport, not on a plane. –DD]

As for CCD's civil libertrianism - I'm afraid it doesn't extend beyond the right to publish inflammatory anti-Muslim cartoons.

quote:

On April 4, 2006, Al Gordon, President of the CCD wrote the following on CCD's website:
The gutless Guelph students deserve to have their freedoms extinguished for capitulating to Islamist thugs. What snivelling, cowardly little nebishes.

[url=http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/2008/09/ten-questions-for-peter-kent-cp... Questions for Peter Kent[/url]

quote:

Given your position on the Board of the far-right "Canadian Coalition for Democracies":
1) Do you support the CCD's lobbying for diplomatic and economic ties with the Indian state of Gujurat, where rioters, with government complicity, murdered, raped and dispossessed tens of thousands of Muslims, and where schoolchildren are taught to admire Adolf Hitler?
2) Did you endorse the CCD's position in favour of firing Supreme Court of Canada Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin, for chairing a meeting that awarded an Order of Canada to Dr. Henry Morgentaler?
3) Do you believe, with the CCD, that "many" Members of Parliament are "apologists for terrorists who celebrate the killing and maiming of men, women, and children?"
4) If yes, who are these Parliamentarians?
5) Do you endorse the smearing of David Suzuki by your president, Alistair Gordon, and his irresponsible retailing of the anti-environmentalist lie that a DDT ban killed millions in sub-Saharan Africa?
6) As a member of the CCD Board, what role did you play in the attempted character assassination of Liberal MP Omar Alghabra in 2005--for which your organization later had to apologize and retract?
7) Do you believe, with your colleague David Harris, that Muslim terrorists have infiltrated the FBI and CIA, the State Department, the U.S. Muslim military chaplain corps, the White House, Homeland Security, the U.S. Air Force, Guantanamo, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons--and in Canada, the Ontario Human Rights Commission and the Quebec NDP?
8) Do you take the view, as your colleague Salim Mansour does, that Canada should walk out of the UN?
9) Do you believe that veiled Muslim women at the polls might be engaging in criminal acts including suicide bombing, as a CCD press release suggests? (Are you aware that the current provisions of the Canada Elections Act permit such women to vote without unveiling, so long as they are not relying on photo ID as proof of identity?)
10) Do you support the bombing of Iran, like your colleague David Harris?

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 16:08

#66

ohara

Thank you. You made your point.

Wed, 2008-10-15 16:08

#67

ohara

Thank you. You made your point.

Wed, 2008-10-15 19:54

#68

Lord Palmerston

I changed the title.

Wed, 2008-10-15 19:54

#69

Lord Palmerston

I changed the title.

Wed, 2008-10-15 19:58

#70

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

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Wed, 2008-10-15 19:58

#71

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

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Wed, 2008-10-15 20:06

#72

Stockholm

Peter Kent is no worse than anyone else in the Tory caucus. In fact, at least he is pretty socially liberal and marches in the gay pride parade every year.

If he is put into cabinet, hopefully he will be kept away from anything involving foreign policy and maybe he would be a better minister of Canadian Heritage than Josee "Dumb as a Post" Verner.

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:06

#73

Stockholm

Peter Kent is no worse than anyone else in the Tory caucus. In fact, at least he is pretty socially liberal and marches in the gay pride parade every year.

If he is put into cabinet, hopefully he will be kept away from anything involving foreign policy and maybe he would be a better minister of Canadian Heritage than Josee "Dumb as a Post" Verner.

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:20

#74

Max Bialystock

quote:

I am, however, incredibly saddened, frightened, and disappointed by my fellow constituents in Thornhill who voted in Conservative candidate Peter Kent. By switching the colour of our riding to Conservative Blue after twenty years of being a staunch Liberal stronghold, Thornhill stands out amongst the Red blood of the GTA as a warning sign against the dangers of one-issue voting. Back home, voters were swayed by a “star” candidate who was able to win because of his “stance” on one issue - support of Israel. If I wasn’t so shocked, I could laugh at what I’m about to say…
I place the blame squarely on my fellow Jews. By and large, it is clear that Kent was able to win by duping many of Thornhill’s voting Jews into believing that he is more supportive of Israel than Liberal Susan Kadis. Just a drive through any of the Orthodox neighbourhoods in town is proof enough of where Kent’s support truly lies - blue and white signs adorn the lawns, and if you squint just enough, you might be able to convince yourself that you are looking at Israeli flags.
This is disastrous. It is a dangerous conflation of religion and politics.
I should make it patently clear that I’m not a sore loser. As a die-hard ENFP, I can at the very least respect the results of an election and the choices of the populous even if I disagree with the results. That’s democracy, folks. But I have little respect and great disdain for those who vote based on one campaign issue - let alone an issue that is a foreign affairs issue for parliament. Politics is a comprehensive thing. A government cannot govern based on one issue. Voters cannot vote based on one issue. Those who do have shirked their civic duty.
Even if you disregard that Canada is at best a minor player with regards to Israel in every way (at the UN, with the peace-process, with economic ties, etc…), and even if you disregard that Canada’s relationship with Israel has not changed substantially under any government, and even if you disregard that “support of Israel” is a highly tenuous and subjective term…
Voters still voted based on one issue, and a shady one at that. Shame on you.

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Wed, 2008-10-15 20:20

#75

Max Bialystock

quote:

I am, however, incredibly saddened, frightened, and disappointed by my fellow constituents in Thornhill who voted in Conservative candidate Peter Kent. By switching the colour of our riding to Conservative Blue after twenty years of being a staunch Liberal stronghold, Thornhill stands out amongst the Red blood of the GTA as a warning sign against the dangers of one-issue voting. Back home, voters were swayed by a “star” candidate who was able to win because of his “stance” on one issue - support of Israel. If I wasn’t so shocked, I could laugh at what I’m about to say…
I place the blame squarely on my fellow Jews. By and large, it is clear that Kent was able to win by duping many of Thornhill’s voting Jews into believing that he is more supportive of Israel than Liberal Susan Kadis. Just a drive through any of the Orthodox neighbourhoods in town is proof enough of where Kent’s support truly lies - blue and white signs adorn the lawns, and if you squint just enough, you might be able to convince yourself that you are looking at Israeli flags.
This is disastrous. It is a dangerous conflation of religion and politics.
I should make it patently clear that I’m not a sore loser. As a die-hard ENFP, I can at the very least respect the results of an election and the choices of the populous even if I disagree with the results. That’s democracy, folks. But I have little respect and great disdain for those who vote based on one campaign issue - let alone an issue that is a foreign affairs issue for parliament. Politics is a comprehensive thing. A government cannot govern based on one issue. Voters cannot vote based on one issue. Those who do have shirked their civic duty.
Even if you disregard that Canada is at best a minor player with regards to Israel in every way (at the UN, with the peace-process, with economic ties, etc…), and even if you disregard that Canada’s relationship with Israel has not changed substantially under any government, and even if you disregard that “support of Israel” is a highly tenuous and subjective term…
Voters still voted based on one issue, and a shady one at that. Shame on you.

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Wed, 2008-10-15 20:30

#76

Max Bialystock

I'm sure Bernie, Frank Dimant and Mr. O'hara have popped out the champagne.

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:30

#77

Max Bialystock

I'm sure Bernie, Frank Dimant and Mr. O'hara have popped out the champagne.

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:43

#78

Max Bialystock

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
Peter Kent is no worse than anyone else in the Tory caucus. In fact, at least he is pretty socially liberal and marches in the gay pride parade every year.

Are you going to applaud Paul Wolfowitz for being "pretty socially liberal" too? [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:43

#79

Max Bialystock

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
Peter Kent is no worse than anyone else in the Tory caucus. In fact, at least he is pretty socially liberal and marches in the gay pride parade every year.

Are you going to applaud Paul Wolfowitz for being "pretty socially liberal" too? [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:54

#80

Stockholm

IF he was given a position of power that only dealt with domestic issues then if he was a social liberal - I'd say good for him.

ALL Conservatives are pretty hawkish on foreign policy. It doesn't matter if its Peter Kent or Maxime Bernier - they all believe in the same stuff.

Wed, 2008-10-15 20:54

#81

Stockholm

IF he was given a position of power that only dealt with domestic issues then if he was a social liberal - I'd say good for him.

ALL Conservatives are pretty hawkish on foreign policy. It doesn't matter if its Peter Kent or Maxime Bernier - they all believe in the same stuff.

Wed, 2008-10-15 21:03

#82

Lord Palmerston

Kent saw one of the biggest increases in raw vote for a Tory in the GTA - by about 7000. I'm afraid Max has a point - it appears the Jewish community swung right because of Israel, at least in Thornhill.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: Lord Palmerston ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 21:03

#83

Lord Palmerston

Kent saw one of the biggest increases in raw vote for a Tory in the GTA - by about 7000. I'm afraid Max has a point - it appears the Jewish community swung right because of Israel, at least in Thornhill.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: Lord Palmerston ]

Wed, 2008-10-15 21:11

#84

Stockholm

What does it have to do with Israel when there is essentially no difference between the parties in their policy on the Middle East in the first place?

There was a pretty sharp swing away from the Liberals all across 905 - esp. in high income ridings. Thornhill is one of the wealthiest ridings in Canada - so that was probably a major factor as well.

BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons", but people on the far right think Jews are all "godless communists" and go on about the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government).

Draw what conclusions you wish from that.

Wed, 2008-10-15 21:11

#85

Stockholm

What does it have to do with Israel when there is essentially no difference between the parties in their policy on the Middle East in the first place?

There was a pretty sharp swing away from the Liberals all across 905 - esp. in high income ridings. Thornhill is one of the wealthiest ridings in Canada - so that was probably a major factor as well.

BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons", but people on the far right think Jews are all "godless communists" and go on about the ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government).

Draw what conclusions you wish from that.

Wed, 2008-10-15 21:18

#86

Lord Palmerston

It had its effect. The raw vote increase in Thornhill was quite big. And Harper has gotten a lot of support from the so-called pro-Israel community - there is definitely a perception the Conservatives are the most pro-Israel and the Liberals take the so-called "honest broker" position. I don't think 7000 more votes in that particular riding went Tory because Kent supports more health care privatization! Eg-Law has a big Jewish vote and it was a closer than expected riding for the Tories as well.

Who are you accusing of being "far left who thinks all Jews are neocons"? People like that aren't leftists - they're just idiots.

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Wed, 2008-10-15 21:18

#87

Lord Palmerston

It had its effect. The raw vote increase in Thornhill was quite big. And Harper has gotten a lot of support from the so-called pro-Israel community - there is definitely a perception the Conservatives are the most pro-Israel and the Liberals take the so-called "honest broker" position. I don't think 7000 more votes in that particular riding went Tory because Kent supports more health care privatization! Eg-Law has a big Jewish vote and it was a closer than expected riding for the Tories as well.

Who are you accusing of being "far left who thinks all Jews are neocons"? People like that aren't leftists - they're just idiots.

[ 15 October 2008: Message edited by: Lord Palmerston ]

Thu, 2008-10-16 05:52

#88

adma

quote:

Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b] Eg-Law has a big Jewish vote and it was a closer than expected riding for the Tories as well. [/b]

And, rather surprisingly given its history and Dryden's incumbency, York Centre.

Thu, 2008-10-16 05:52

#89

adma

quote:

Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b] Eg-Law has a big Jewish vote and it was a closer than expected riding for the Tories as well. [/b]

And, rather surprisingly given its history and Dryden's incumbency, York Centre.

Thu, 2008-10-16 06:52

#90

Michelle

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]If he is put into cabinet, hopefully he will be kept away from anything involving foreign policy and maybe he would be a better minister of Canadian Heritage than Josee "Dumb as a Post" Verner.[/b]

Would he? I don't think he would. [url=http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles03160201.asp]He wants to see the CBC reduced to PBS-style begathons.[/url]

I don't want to see this guy anywhere near a culture portfolio.

Thu, 2008-10-16 06:52

#91

Michelle

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]If he is put into cabinet, hopefully he will be kept away from anything involving foreign policy and maybe he would be a better minister of Canadian Heritage than Josee "Dumb as a Post" Verner.[/b]

Would he? I don't think he would. [url=http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles03160201.asp]He wants to see the CBC reduced to PBS-style begathons.[/url]

I don't want to see this guy anywhere near a culture portfolio.

Thu, 2008-10-16 07:10

#92

Prophit

I live in the northern reaches of Thornhill and can tell you that Peter Kent signs adorned the lawns of many there as well. I can also tell you that this area where I live is far from Jewish, more Italian and South Asian decent. Friends polling for the NDP candidate told me that Kent was doing surprisingly well within those areas as well.

Thu, 2008-10-16 07:10

#93

Prophit

I live in the northern reaches of Thornhill and can tell you that Peter Kent signs adorned the lawns of many there as well. I can also tell you that this area where I live is far from Jewish, more Italian and South Asian decent. Friends polling for the NDP candidate told me that Kent was doing surprisingly well within those areas as well.

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:06

#94

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]
BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons",[/b]

Isn't it interesting how no one actually said that? Indeed, the most anyone has said is that instead of overwhelmingly supporting the Liberals it now seems that the Liberals only have a plurality of the Jewish vote.

While it's true the term neocon has been misused, overused, and sometimes appropriated as a code word the fact is Kent actually is a neo-conservative in the Richard Perle/Donald Rumsfeld/Bill Kristol/Project for a New American Century mold.

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:06

#95

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]
BTW: Isn't it interesting how people on the far left will stereotype Jews as all being "neocons",[/b]

Isn't it interesting how no one actually said that? Indeed, the most anyone has said is that instead of overwhelmingly supporting the Liberals it now seems that the Liberals only have a plurality of the Jewish vote.

While it's true the term neocon has been misused, overused, and sometimes appropriated as a code word the fact is Kent actually is a neo-conservative in the Richard Perle/Donald Rumsfeld/Bill Kristol/Project for a New American Century mold.

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:07

#96

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]
Would he? I don't think he would. [url=http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles03160201.asp]He wants to see the CBC reduced to PBS-style begathons.[/url]
I don't want to see this guy anywhere near a culture portfolio.[/b]

[url=http://torontoist.com/2006/04/peter_kent_back.php]He also doesn't like streetcars[/url] so don't let him near urban infrastructure.

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:07

#97

aka Mycroft

quote:

Originally posted by Michelle:
[b]
Would he? I don't think he would. [url=http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles03160201.asp]He wants to see the CBC reduced to PBS-style begathons.[/url]
I don't want to see this guy anywhere near a culture portfolio.[/b]

[url=http://torontoist.com/2006/04/peter_kent_back.php]He also doesn't like streetcars[/url] so don't let him near urban infrastructure.

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:11

#98

Michelle

Peter Kent posted a campaign video that had all sorts of praise for him from the biggest names in Canadian journalism. Putting them on a campaign video looks like an attempt to fool voters into believing that all these journalists endorsed him.

CTV, however, has [url=http://jmortonmusings.blogspot.com/2008/10/peter-kent-video-disowned-by-... out a press release[/url], clarifying that Pamela Wallin and Lloyd Robertson did NOT endorse his candidacy, and that in fact those clips are from a journalism industry event.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/13/kent-shouldice.html]So did the CBC.[/url]

Pretty shady on the ethical front if you ask me.

[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]

Thu, 2008-10-16 08:11

#99

Michelle

Peter Kent posted a campaign video that had all sorts of praise for him from the biggest names in Canadian journalism. Putting them on a campaign video looks like an attempt to fool voters into believing that all these journalists endorsed him.

CTV, however, has [url=http://jmortonmusings.blogspot.com/2008/10/peter-kent-video-disowned-by-... out a press release[/url], clarifying that Pamela Wallin and Lloyd Robertson did NOT endorse his candidacy, and that in fact those clips are from a journalism industry event.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/13/kent-shouldice.html]So did the CBC.[/url]

Pretty shady on the ethical front if you ask me.

[ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]

Thu, 2008-10-16 09:42

#100

ceti

CCD is a extreme right-wing organization not unlike the World Anti-Communist Leagues of the 1970s and 1980s that was crawling with neo-nazis and death squad supporters. This time, they want to wage a civilizational war against all Muslims, ideologically uniting right-wing Zionism, Hindutva, Christian Fundamentalism, and rabid old-time anti-communism.

I'm disturbed that on a progressive board, there can be any softness on this group. By stealth, they are capturing community institutions and turning them into hard right mouthpieces. In fact, they are perhaps the most dangerous group around because of these stealth tactics and the repercussions on our foreign policy.

Thu, 2008-10-16 09:42

#101

ceti

CCD is a extreme right-wing organization not unlike the World Anti-Communist Leagues of the 1970s and 1980s that was crawling with neo-nazis and death squad supporters. This time, they want to wage a civilizational war against all Muslims, ideologically uniting right-wing Zionism, Hindutva, Christian Fundamentalism, and rabid old-time anti-communism.

I'm disturbed that on a progressive board, there can be any softness on this group. By stealth, they are capturing community institutions and turning them into hard right mouthpieces. In fact, they are perhaps the most dangerous group around because of these stealth tactics and the repercussions on our foreign policy.

Peter Kent: the next Foreign Affairs minister?

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