quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]No, Harper didn't run in 1988[/b]
Huh???????
Who Should Replace Howard Hampton?
Fri, 2008-10-17 22:13
#52
Fri, 2008-10-17 22:13
#53
I think Peggy Nash is very talented. The Ontario NDP would be foolish not to take a serious look at her.
The most predictable problem with Nash coming forward is she is an outsider and like Layton would probably not get a ton of caucus support- half of which seems to be running anyways [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Seeing all the caucus members running to replace Hampton has me appreciating how hard his job must have really been. Hardly any of these MPPs have really distinguished themselves in any way.
I don't see Nash running without any support from Cheri DiNovo and the Layton crowd/machine. To date their support has been either rumored or reported to flow more towards Peter Tabuns. I also don't know if Nash wants the job. I wouldn't blame her if she had some real reservations. An interesting endorsement in this next leadership campaign will be if anyone can manage to pull the support of Adam Giambrone. For any candidate hoping to be the leader of a renewed ONDP, it seems like getting him to give your nomination speech would be a minor coup.
As for ridings, York South-Weston seems like a better bet than Davenport for electing Nash. It would also provide outstanding symbolism if the break-with-the-Rae era leader was elected in Rae's old riding (e.g. we're back, and this time we've cooked up something different). If she ran, I would like to see that be her general election riding and I would like her to commit to contesting the first available byelection to show off what she can do as an election organiser.
[ 17 October 2008: Message edited by: V. Jara ]
Fri, 2008-10-17 22:13
#54
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
[b]No, Harper didn't run in 1988[/b]
Huh???????
Fri, 2008-10-17 22:13
#55
I think Peggy Nash is very talented. The Ontario NDP would be foolish not to take a serious look at her.
The most predictable problem with Nash coming forward is she is an outsider and like Layton would probably not get a ton of caucus support- half of which seems to be running anyways [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Seeing all the caucus members running to replace Hampton has me appreciating how hard his job must have really been. Hardly any of these MPPs have really distinguished themselves in any way.
I don't see Nash running without any support from Cheri DiNovo and the Layton crowd/machine. To date their support has been either rumored or reported to flow more towards Peter Tabuns. I also don't know if Nash wants the job. I wouldn't blame her if she had some real reservations. An interesting endorsement in this next leadership campaign will be if anyone can manage to pull the support of Adam Giambrone. For any candidate hoping to be the leader of a renewed ONDP, it seems like getting him to give your nomination speech would be a minor coup.
As for ridings, York South-Weston seems like a better bet than Davenport for electing Nash. It would also provide outstanding symbolism if the break-with-the-Rae era leader was elected in Rae's old riding (e.g. we're back, and this time we've cooked up something different). If she ran, I would like to see that be her general election riding and I would like her to commit to contesting the first available byelection to show off what she can do as an election organiser.
[ 17 October 2008: Message edited by: V. Jara ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:21
#56
I'm changing my vote. I nominate Fidel! Think about it, the negitive attack campaigns practically write themselves and a firmer believer in the status quo in NDP policy and ranks there never was. I call on all Rabble Rousers to support Fidel for ONDP leader! Mind you not much of a break with Rae what with his support of the 90-95 govt in other threads but I'm sure if we tell people how the Tories and Grits suck the voters will come in droves! (toung and cheek fidel but all in fun I assure you) [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:21
#57
I'm changing my vote. I nominate Fidel! Think about it, the negitive attack campaigns practically write themselves and a firmer believer in the status quo in NDP policy and ranks there never was. I call on all Rabble Rousers to support Fidel for ONDP leader! Mind you not much of a break with Rae what with his support of the 90-95 govt in other threads but I'm sure if we tell people how the Tories and Grits suck the voters will come in droves! (toung and cheek fidel but all in fun I assure you) [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:35
#58
quote:
Originally posted by V. Jara:
[b]As for ridings, York South-Weston seems like a better bet than Davenport for electing Nash. [/b]
Those would be the two most obvious candidates for Nash if she were to run... unless maybe Marchese in Trinity-Spadina decides that he's had enough.
Does anyone know where Nash actually lives? Is it P-HP, or somewhere nearby?
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:35
#59
quote:
Originally posted by V. Jara:
[b]As for ridings, York South-Weston seems like a better bet than Davenport for electing Nash. [/b]
Those would be the two most obvious candidates for Nash if she were to run... unless maybe Marchese in Trinity-Spadina decides that he's had enough.
Does anyone know where Nash actually lives? Is it P-HP, or somewhere nearby?
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:45
#60
And here is something Unionist and I agree on (unionist does this mean the moshiach may come [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] ), I too believe that Peggy Nash ought to be seriously considered as a potential leader of the ONDP.
Sat, 2008-10-18 07:45
#61
And here is something Unionist and I agree on (unionist does this mean the moshiach may come [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] ), I too believe that Peggy Nash ought to be seriously considered as a potential leader of the ONDP.
Sat, 2008-10-18 08:12
#62
I would have said Kormos years ago, right after Benedict Rae left us in tatters. Kormos would have been the guy to rebuild after that. But that time, and his, has come and gone.
Many years ago, I had a beer with Gilles Bisson, and I liked him then. Not sure what these many years in the legislature since has done to him. Put an edge of experience on his easy honesty and what I found altruistic outlook? If so, I'd love to see him run.
Peggy Nash, however, might be a no brainer, for many reasons others have mentioned.
But now that Ohara and Unionist both find aggreement in this, it's time to re-examine that idea.
[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
(and, as long as we are talking leadership, I am supporting Joe Volpe to replace Dion, as any good NDP person should.)
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 08:12
#63
I would have said Kormos years ago, right after Benedict Rae left us in tatters. Kormos would have been the guy to rebuild after that. But that time, and his, has come and gone.
Many years ago, I had a beer with Gilles Bisson, and I liked him then. Not sure what these many years in the legislature since has done to him. Put an edge of experience on his easy honesty and what I found altruistic outlook? If so, I'd love to see him run.
Peggy Nash, however, might be a no brainer, for many reasons others have mentioned.
But now that Ohara and Unionist both find aggreement in this, it's time to re-examine that idea.
[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]
(and, as long as we are talking leadership, I am supporting Joe Volpe to replace Dion, as any good NDP person should.)
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 10:40
#64
Peggy would make an excellent choice.... But FYI Cheri has backed Tabuns already, so no endorsement there. And yes she does live in P-HP.
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: Mojoroad1 ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 10:40
#65
Peggy would make an excellent choice.... But FYI Cheri has backed Tabuns already, so no endorsement there. And yes she does live in P-HP.
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: Mojoroad1 ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 11:38
#66
Personally, I find this draft-Nash campaign a bit of a kneejerk reaction to her unceremonious federal loss--yes, she might be valid and "winning", but let things settle in a bit, huh? I'm getting a whiff of the macabre here.
But if she does seek office again, provincially or federally; given her background, how might Oshawa be as a fit?
Sat, 2008-10-18 11:38
#67
Personally, I find this draft-Nash campaign a bit of a kneejerk reaction to her unceremonious federal loss--yes, she might be valid and "winning", but let things settle in a bit, huh? I'm getting a whiff of the macabre here.
But if she does seek office again, provincially or federally; given her background, how might Oshawa be as a fit?
Sat, 2008-10-18 12:19
#68
adma, there might be a bit of a kneejerk aspect to it, but I really don't think that's the whole story. At least in part, it's also a reaction to the fact that none of the declared candidates have really generated a whole lot of excitement so far.
Sat, 2008-10-18 12:19
#69
adma, there might be a bit of a kneejerk aspect to it, but I really don't think that's the whole story. At least in part, it's also a reaction to the fact that none of the declared candidates have really generated a whole lot of excitement so far.
Sat, 2008-10-18 12:33
#70
quote:
Originally posted by adma:
[b]Personally, I find this draft-Nash campaign a bit of a kneejerk reaction to her unceremonious federal loss--yes, she might be valid and "winning", but let things settle in a bit, huh? I'm getting a whiff of the macabre here.[/b]
Well, I suggested her [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=002164#00... before the federal election[/url], so my knee isn't jerking and I'm not macabre. I haven't changed my mind on this one:
quote:
She's a woman, she's a trade unionist, she's got guts (if she can manage to keep them in a leadership situation), she could rebuild some links which the ONDP stupidly destroyed with the CAW, she can speak - good pick![Dafydd: Would she run?]
I don't know. I'm from Quйbec. All I know is it's high time you people had a female in charge, especially one with good credentials. No, not Cheri DiNovo.
I'm biased though. I'm a trade unionist.
Draft Peggy [b]NOW[/b]. Make sure she knows there are masses of people that want her there. She is also the only one not tainted by the horrendous election platform of the ONDP in the last provincial election, and its do-next-to-nothing record over (pick your time frame).
quote:
Originally posted by ohara:
[b]unionist does this mean the moshiach may come[/b]
She has already arrived, and her name is Peggy!
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 12:33
#71
quote:
Originally posted by adma:
[b]Personally, I find this draft-Nash campaign a bit of a kneejerk reaction to her unceremonious federal loss--yes, she might be valid and "winning", but let things settle in a bit, huh? I'm getting a whiff of the macabre here.[/b]
Well, I suggested her [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=002164#00... before the federal election[/url], so my knee isn't jerking and I'm not macabre. I haven't changed my mind on this one:
quote:
She's a woman, she's a trade unionist, she's got guts (if she can manage to keep them in a leadership situation), she could rebuild some links which the ONDP stupidly destroyed with the CAW, she can speak - good pick![Dafydd: Would she run?]
I don't know. I'm from Quйbec. All I know is it's high time you people had a female in charge, especially one with good credentials. No, not Cheri DiNovo.
I'm biased though. I'm a trade unionist.
Draft Peggy [b]NOW[/b]. Make sure she knows there are masses of people that want her there. She is also the only one not tainted by the horrendous election platform of the ONDP in the last provincial election, and its do-next-to-nothing record over (pick your time frame).
quote:
Originally posted by ohara:
[b]unionist does this mean the moshiach may come[/b]
She has already arrived, and her name is Peggy!
[ 18 October 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:24
#72
I think we should bring back Francis Lankin.
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:24
#73
ok so I dont want to have to do it but someone should start the draft peggy nash committee thread (id do it but Ive started like 8 threads today and some people are accusing me of spamming...PPFFFT!)
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:24
#74
I think we should bring back Francis Lankin.
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:24
#75
ok so I dont want to have to do it but someone should start the draft peggy nash committee thread (id do it but Ive started like 8 threads today and some people are accusing me of spamming...PPFFFT!)
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:34
#76
quote:
At least in part, it's also a reaction to the fact that none of the declared candidates have really generated a whole lot of excitement so far.
I'm not sure that's quite fair. Don't forget most of the candidates are still undeclared....the ONDP put the leadership race on hiatus because of the federal election. It'll start to heat up soon enough I'm sure.
Sat, 2008-10-18 13:34
#77
quote:
At least in part, it's also a reaction to the fact that none of the declared candidates have really generated a whole lot of excitement so far.
I'm not sure that's quite fair. Don't forget most of the candidates are still undeclared....the ONDP put the leadership race on hiatus because of the federal election. It'll start to heat up soon enough I'm sure.
Sat, 2008-10-18 15:28
#78
quote:
Originally posted by Prophit:
[b]I think we should bring back Francis Lankin.[/b]
I'm pretty sure she supports Bob Rae now.
Sat, 2008-10-18 15:28
#79
quote:
Originally posted by Prophit:
[b]I think we should bring back Francis Lankin.[/b]
I'm pretty sure she supports Bob Rae now.
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:02
#80
The Toronto Star writes about this today
[url=http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/520019]Toronto Star[/url]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:02
#81
The Toronto Star writes about this today
[url=http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/520019]Toronto Star[/url]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:14
#82
From ohara's link:
quote:
Nash declined requests from the Star for an interview. Her friend and colleague, MPP Cheri DiNovo, said Nash told her Thursday she is absolutely not interested in pursuing leadership of the provincial NDP, a point she has made before."First and foremost, she was interested in federal politics, it was her gift and her joy. The other thing, of course, is she doesn't have a seat provincially and we've all seen how difficult it is to be a leader without a seat," said DiNovo, referring to provincial Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory and Green Leader Elizabeth May.
It's very strange for someone to deny interest in leadership intentions [b][i]on someone else's behalf[/i][/b].
Perhaps Ms. DiNovo (Reverend DiNovo?) should confine her public comments to her own plans, and refrain from commenting on Peggy Nash's. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 05:14
#83
From ohara's link:
quote:
Nash declined requests from the Star for an interview. Her friend and colleague, MPP Cheri DiNovo, said Nash told her Thursday she is absolutely not interested in pursuing leadership of the provincial NDP, a point she has made before."First and foremost, she was interested in federal politics, it was her gift and her joy. The other thing, of course, is she doesn't have a seat provincially and we've all seen how difficult it is to be a leader without a seat," said DiNovo, referring to provincial Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory and Green Leader Elizabeth May.
It's very strange for someone to deny interest in leadership intentions [b][i]on someone else's behalf[/i][/b].
Perhaps Ms. DiNovo (Reverend DiNovo?) should confine her public comments to her own plans, and refrain from commenting on Peggy Nash's. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
Sun, 2008-10-19 07:00
#84
Yeah, that's really weird, isn't it? I wonder what her motivation would be behind trying to discourage the media from speculating about Nash running for the leadership?
Perhaps Nash asked her to do so? Although, if Nash wanted such a statement to be made, surely she would have made it herself.
Sun, 2008-10-19 07:00
#85
Yeah, that's really weird, isn't it? I wonder what her motivation would be behind trying to discourage the media from speculating about Nash running for the leadership?
Perhaps Nash asked her to do so? Although, if Nash wanted such a statement to be made, surely she would have made it herself.
Sun, 2008-10-19 11:41
#86
Buzz's comment about why Peggy left the CAW is curious too. It seems so vague and gratuitous. I wonder what Buzz was trying to suggest by it.
Sun, 2008-10-19 11:41
#87
Buzz's comment about why Peggy left the CAW is curious too. It seems so vague and gratuitous. I wonder what Buzz was trying to suggest by it.
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:15
#88
quote:
Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]I'm pretty sure she supports Bob Rae now.[/b]
Did she call you up and tell you that, or do you have a link or anything credible at all to back that claim up?
Sun, 2008-10-19 18:15
#89
quote:
Originally posted by Max Bialystock:
[b]I'm pretty sure she supports Bob Rae now.[/b]
Did she call you up and tell you that, or do you have a link or anything credible at all to back that claim up?
Sun, 2008-10-19 20:57
#90
quote:
On August 29, 2008, (Gilles) Bisson announced he will run to succeed Howard Hampton as the next leader of the Ontario New Democratic Party.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Bisson]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Sun, 2008-10-19 20:57
#91
quote:
On August 29, 2008, (Gilles) Bisson announced he will run to succeed Howard Hampton as the next leader of the Ontario New Democratic Party.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Bisson]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:04
#92
Yeah, we've already had lots of occasion to discuss Gilles Bisson's bid for leadership - including comments like this one:
quote:
Most Ontarians give the NDP full credit for standing up for them when it comes to enhancing and protecting social programs such as public health care. However, voters want to be assured that the NDP will take economic policies just as seriously.
So public health care is somehow distinct from "economic policies". Interesting thought process.
Go, Peggy, go!
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:04
#93
Yeah, we've already had lots of occasion to discuss Gilles Bisson's bid for leadership - including comments like this one:
quote:
Most Ontarians give the NDP full credit for standing up for them when it comes to enhancing and protecting social programs such as public health care. However, voters want to be assured that the NDP will take economic policies just as seriously.
So public health care is somehow distinct from "economic policies". Interesting thought process.
Go, Peggy, go!
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:18
#94
It would also be good to have the NDP led by someone who was not in the Rae Cabinet.
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:18
#95
It would also be good to have the NDP led by someone who was not in the Rae Cabinet.
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:34
#96
Or, the Rae caucus. (Bisson was never in cabinet, was he?)
Sun, 2008-10-19 21:34
#97
Or, the Rae caucus. (Bisson was never in cabinet, was he?)
Mon, 2008-10-20 08:12
#98
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
[b]So public health care is somehow distinct from "economic policies". Interesting thought process.Go, Peggy, go![/b]
Without good economic policy, we won't be able to afford the sort of public health care we'd like. That should be obvious.
Mon, 2008-10-20 08:12
#99
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
[b]So public health care is somehow distinct from "economic policies". Interesting thought process.Go, Peggy, go![/b]
Without good economic policy, we won't be able to afford the sort of public health care we'd like. That should be obvious.
Mon, 2008-10-20 09:42
#100
[url=http://andreahorwath.ca/aboutAndrea]Andrea Horvath [/url]
Mon, 2008-10-20 09:42
#101
[url=http://andreahorwath.ca/aboutAndrea]Andrea Horvath [/url]