What Is Dion Doing?

Think it is as simple as Dion wanting to save face by being seen to leave on his own terms.

Think it is as simple as Dion wanting to save face by being seen to leave on his own terms.

This nugget from Pierre Bourque is interesting:

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Bedrock Liberal Ray Heard, last night waxing lyrical on the Mike Duffy TV show, of all places, prior to John Turner "Memories of Winston's" dinner, confides to Bourque that forces loyal to ambitious Liberal MP Michael Ignatieff want caucus to vote Stephane Dion out this coming Thursday.

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[url=http://www.bourque.org/notes.html]http://www.bourque.org/notes.html[/url]

Leaving later isn't good enough for some.

This nugget from Pierre Bourque is interesting:

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Bedrock Liberal Ray Heard, last night waxing lyrical on the Mike Duffy TV show, of all places, prior to John Turner "Memories of Winston's" dinner, confides to Bourque that forces loyal to ambitious Liberal MP Michael Ignatieff want caucus to vote Stephane Dion out this coming Thursday.

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[url=http://www.bourque.org/notes.html]http://www.bourque.org/notes.html[/url]

Leaving later isn't good enough for some.

I think being simply an MP is infuriating for Iggy, because leaving a prestigious appointment at Harvard (or was it Yale?) to return to Canada was probably a hard decision for him to make, and he wanted his return to Canada to be worth his trouble, ie becoming the next Prime Minister, not serving under a doofus like Dion. I don't see, however, that this country has really fallen for Iggy in any significant way. Certainly Iggy doesn't inspire anything like "Trudeaumania".

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I think being simply an MP is infuriating for Iggy[/b]

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Simply being in Canada is infuriating to Iggy.

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
[b]I think being simply an MP is infuriating for Iggy[/b]

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Simply being in Canada is infuriating to Iggy.

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Certainly Iggy doesn't inspire anything like "Trudeaumania".

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Though he does have his cult-following...

Personally I think they would both be disasters for the Liberal party, so I am hoping for some kind of coalition leadership. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

I would relish all those pictures being used that show Iggy acting like he just smelled something bad. It is a constant look.
And how long before we see a Conservative ad with this picture in it?

[img]http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20080403/WBwblog...

Personally I think they would both be disasters for the Liberal party, so I am hoping for some kind of coalition leadership. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

I would relish all those pictures being used that show Iggy acting like he just smelled something bad. It is a constant look.
And how long before we see a Conservative ad with this picture in it?

[img]http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20080403/WBwblog...

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
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Simply being in Canada is infuriating to Iggy.

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ][/b]

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Much of Canada reciprocates.

Harper will bring forth the throne speech with a few minefields imbedded in it. It will force the Liberals to capitulate again. There will be motions on the gun registry funding/possible rescinding it, a motion against a carbon tax or the like and then the budget.

The Liberals are broke and every time they stay home or take a sick day for each vote they will lose more and more credibility. Watch the knives and claws come out right after the throne speech, Iggy and Rae will be foaming at the mouth.

Dion is a Chrйtienite, ole Jonny was forced out and didn’t take it well, now Dion is treated the same way. This should be fun. The NDP should be ready to pick up the pieces when the war is over

Harper will bring forth the throne speech with a few minefields imbedded in it. It will force the Liberals to capitulate again. There will be motions on the gun registry funding/possible rescinding it, a motion against a carbon tax or the like and then the budget.

The Liberals are broke and every time they stay home or take a sick day for each vote they will lose more and more credibility. Watch the knives and claws come out right after the throne speech, Iggy and Rae will be foaming at the mouth.

Dion is a Chrйtienite, ole Jonny was forced out and didn’t take it well, now Dion is treated the same way. This should be fun. The NDP should be ready to pick up the pieces when the war is over

Ain't gonna happen. This whole thread is premised on a delusion.

Conservatives + Independents = 145

Liberals + New Democrats + Bloc = 163 - Speaker Milliken = 162

All members present, 162 - 145

Seven opposition members absent, 145 - 145 and Mr. Speaker Milliken sustains the status quo as he is obligated to do.

There will be at least seven absent opposition MPs - some with credible sounding excuses, some not.

Unless, of course, one of the opposition parties actually is prepared to support the government, which is actually the more likely scenario.

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Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]Ain't gonna happen. This whole thread is premised on a delusion.

Conservatives + Independents = 145

Liberals + New Democrats + Bloc = 163 - Speaker Milliken = 162

All members present, 162 - 145

Seven opposition members absent, 145 - 145 and Mr. Speaker Milliken sustains the status quo as he is obligated to do.

There will be at least seven absent opposition MPs - some with credible sounding excuses, some not.

Unless, of course, one of the opposition parties actually is prepared to support the government, which is actually the more likely scenario.[/b]

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Yes, the last thing Ignatieff or Rae want is for the Tories to lose a non-confidence vote within the first few months of the new parliament and have the GG ask Dion to form a government. If Dion insists on trying to defeat the government either the Liberal caucus will overrule him or enough Iggy and Rae supporters will absent themselves from the vote and allow the Tories to win it.

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Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]Ain't gonna happen. This whole thread is premised on a delusion.

Conservatives + Independents = 145

Liberals + New Democrats + Bloc = 163 - Speaker Milliken = 162

All members present, 162 - 145

Seven opposition members absent, 145 - 145 and Mr. Speaker Milliken sustains the status quo as he is obligated to do.

There will be at least seven absent opposition MPs - some with credible sounding excuses, some not.

Unless, of course, one of the opposition parties actually is prepared to support the government, which is actually the more likely scenario.[/b]

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Yes, the last thing Ignatieff or Rae want is for the Tories to lose a non-confidence vote within the first few months of the new parliament and have the GG ask Dion to form a government. If Dion insists on trying to defeat the government either the Liberal caucus will overrule him or enough Iggy and Rae supporters will absent themselves from the vote and allow the Tories to win it.

Yup.

Apparently Dion had to be told by his staff on the nite of the election, what every other Canadian already knew, that the Liberals were going to blown out of the water. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

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Originally posted by longtime lurker:
[QB]Think it is as simple as Dion wanting to save face by being seen to leave on his own terms.[/Q]

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[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: NorthReport ]

Apparently Dion had to be told by his staff on the nite of the election, what every other Canadian already knew, that the Liberals were going to blown out of the water. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

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Originally posted by longtime lurker:
[QB]Think it is as simple as Dion wanting to save face by being seen to leave on his own terms.[/Q]

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[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: NorthReport ]

Tonight on [url=http://www.cbc.ca/video/popup.html?http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/politics/... Politics at 32:45 [/url]I saw a rather surprised woman.[url=http://kirstyduncan.liberal.ca/p1689_e.aspx] Dr. Kirsty Duncan, [/url]the new Liberal MP for Etobicoke North, is an Associate Professor of Health Studies at the University of Toronto with a very distinguished resume. She was parachuted into the riding in February by Dion's appointment.

But nothing had prepared her for Susan Bonner's question: "What are you preparing yourself for within your own caucus? It's going to be such an interesting time for Liberals . . . and then having to deal with the delicate voting issue, you know, a lot of times, on big vote days, a lot of seats on the Liberal side were empty. What would you say to your leader about that?"

Duncan: "Mr. Dion has served us so well . . . this is someone of values and someone who had a vision for this country."

Bonner (interrupting): "Okay, but aside from that, how will you feel if you are told on an issue dear to your heart, for example something in the budget, that you can't vote, because if you voted and you voted the way you want, you might bring down the government? How will you feel about abstaining?"

Duncan: "Well, I think it's impossible to predict what is in the future, I mean, tomorrow will be our first meeting of caucus . . . What I will hold dear to is my values. I built my career on ethics and I plan to hold dear to them going forward."

Translation: "Abstain? No one told me I was going to have to abstain. For this, I gave up my position at U of T?"

Oh, she knew what she was getting into, she just didn't want to answer the awkward question. Susan Bonner also had on the show two other new women MPs, an NDP from Nova Scotia, and a Conservative from Nunavut. All three were extremely articulate and I think they're all going to do well.

Oh, she knew what she was getting into, she just didn't want to answer the awkward question. Susan Bonner also had on the show two other new women MPs, an NDP from Nova Scotia, and a Conservative from Nunavut. All three were extremely articulate and I think they're all going to do well.

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Duncan: "I built my career on ethics and I plan to hold dear to them going forward."

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Curious choice of party, if true.

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Originally posted by Wilf Day:
[b]Translation: "Abstain? No one told me I was going to have to abstain. For this, I gave up my position at U of T?"[/b]

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Watched it - hilarious! sad! Thanks, Wilf.